Jennifer Rubin is a super-smart journalist-lawyer who became a regular columnist for The Washington Post, where she was supposed to express conservative views. However, the election of Trump changed her political outlook. Here, she writes about how Ron DeSantis’ hate policies are hurting the state of Florida.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and his obedient Republican legislature have made bullying and attacking the vulnerable the hallmarks of their governance. Whether it is “don’t say gay” legislation (and retribution against Disney for supporting inclusion), denying medical care to transgender youths, muzzling teachers and professors who address systemic racism in the United States, firing a county prosecutor who dared object to DeSantis’s refusal to protect women’s bodily autonomy, or shipping unwary immigrants to other states, Florida has become not where “woke” died but rather where empathy, decency and kindness go to die.
DeSantis’s stunts frequently fail in court and cost taxpayers money. But his MAGA war on diversity and tolerance might be negatively impacting the state in other ways.
DeSantis likes to brag that more people are moving to Florida than ever. Not so fast. “An estimated 674,740 people reported that their permanent address changed from Florida to another state in 2021. That’s more than any other state, including New York or California, the two states that have received the most attention for outbound migration during the pandemic,” according to the American Community Survey released in June tracking state-by-state migration.
Moreover, Florida already is one of the states with the oldest average populations, and the MAGA culture wars risk alienating young people and the diverse workforce the state needs. In February, USA Today reported, “Florida may be the most moved to state in the country, but not when it comes to Gen Z. They are the only generation that chose to exit Florida, with an outflux of 8,000 young adults, while every other generation moved in.”
In addition, evidence points to a brain drain from Florida universities and colleges, although data is hard to come by. Records show “an upward tick in staff departures at some of Florida’s largest universities. … Across the State University System, the murmurs are getting louder: Some Florida schools are having trouble filling positions,” the Orlando Sentinel reported. “At the University of Florida, 1,087 employees resigned in 2022 — the only time in the last five years that the number exceeded 1,000.” Record numbers of faculty are not returning to University of Central Florida, Florida State University and the University of South Florida. This is hardly surprising, given DeSantis’s assault on academic independence and his suggestion that students go out of state if they want to study topics such as African American studies.
In addition, some businesses might be getting cold feet about spending convention dollars in the Sunshine State. The Sun Sentinel reported, “Broward County has lost more than a half-dozen conventions as their organizers cite the divisive political climate as their reason to stay out of Florida.” If the trend continues, the significant share of jobs and state revenue attributable to convention business could shrink. DeSantis and his supporters counter that tourism is still booming. They insist low taxes will continue to attract the wealthy and businesses.
There is little sign that the rest of the country is enamored of censorship, book bans or anti-immigrant and anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment. The question remains whether DeSantis’s act wears thin at home.

While Florida’s policies may be cruel and vile at least DeSantis’ overreach gets media attention and often gets reversed by the courts. Texas is equally cruel and vile, but the cruelty remains under the radar of the mainstream media because its target is migrants. Texas state troopers have laced The Rio Grande with barbed wire in violation of international law. Migrants that fight their way through to the US side are being pushed back into the water, and some of them are dying including women and children. https://www.axios.com/local/houston/2023/07/19/texas-border-patrol-claims
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Breathtakingly evil.
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Obviously Biden and Harris fault. 85,000 children missing (child sex trafficked) media and everyone wants to stay quiet shhhhhhhh. If this was TRump 24/7 coverage, just like the cocaine story, shhhhhh its liberals shhhhhh.
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“There is little sign that the rest of the country is enamored of censorship, book bans or anti-immigrant and anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment.”
This is classic in-the-bubble nonsense. The vast majority of Americans have a live and let live attitude, but they oppose having sexually explicit curricula taught to elementary age students; they oppose allowing biological males to compete with female athletes or share women only spaces; they oppose the non-enforcement of immigration laws that has resulted in several “sanctuary cities” being overwhelmed with low-income, low-skilled people who will be long-term welfare dependents and who already have stretched social services beyond their breaking points. Sorry folks, that’s just simple math.
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Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Billions and billions in taxes every year, using ITIN numbers instead of Social Security numbers. They pay more into the system than they take out. Get your facts straight. That’s just simple math.
https://www.boundless.com/blog/boundless-releases-2022-immigrant-income-taxation-report/
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I don’t have time this morning to respond at great length other than to recommend that you research other sources that conclude just the opposite. The idea that low income people of any description on average pay more in taxes than they receive in public benefits is absurd, and has been refuted numerous times. Around ten years ago a study found that a family of four on average needed an income of at least $60,000 before the taxes they paid exceeded the public benefits they received; that figure is likely $70,000+ in 2023. 90+% of unauthorized immigrants are low income, and if they become legal citizens they would qualify for all types of public assistance: subsidized housing, Medicaid, welfare payments, etc. Their kids already attend public schools at average yearly costs of $12,000+, much more if they receive bilingual services.
Many prominent Democrats used to say these things before it became politically incorrect to state the obvious: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Paul Krugman, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, et al. And there’s a reason that Canada long had a “points” system that- with few exceptions – only allowed immigrants in who were a net economic benefit to the country.
Donald Trump wrecked any hope for reasonable public discussion about this issue with his inflammatory description of unauthorized immigrants as mostly criminals, rapists, etc. But you’re living in an ideological fantasy world if you believe that allowing unlimited numbers of minimally educated, low-skilled people is a net benefit to a first world economy. The calendar says it’s 2023, not 1823.
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OK. Take the education costs out of the picture, and what do you have?
God forbid that the richest country in the world do something to help children.
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Matt. 25, KJV
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Immigrant adults are not their children. We must draw a distinction there. Immigrant adults pay more in than THEY get out.
With regard to the separate case of the state and local costs of education of those children, do not tell me that we as a nation–the richest nation on the globe–cannot afford the cost, as charity, as a decent and noble thing to do, of educating those kids. The wise thing to do would be to reallocate the net gain from adult immigrants at the federal level in education grants for immigrant children at the state level.
And I haven’t even brought into this conversation the net present value of having welcomed those immigrant children under our tent.
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We must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of OTHERS” NECESSITIES. We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and LIBERALITY. We must delight in each other; MAKE OTHERS’ CONDITIONS OUR OWN. . . . For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw. –John Winthrop, “A Model of Christian Charity,” a sermon preached aboard the ship Arabella, in 1630, en route to the New World, where he and the other Puritan reformers with him would establish the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Caps added for emphasis.
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This is true, but some localities (mine included) are being absolutely crushed by the current migrant surge (and specifically, the strategy of a few southern and border states to ship migrants to the city). We need massive federal and to date we’ve gotten only a small fraction of what’s needed. I don’t think Biden or the national Dems have been great on this issue. Of course, Trump would be far worse, out of pure spite for NYC.
Everyone should agree that we need a major expansion of immigration courts. It’s insane that the average time to adjudicate an asylum claim is around 5 years. Yet we do nothing.
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To be clear, my comment was a response to Bob.
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It’s insane that the average time to adjudicate an asylum claim is around 5 years. Yet we do nothing.
yes!!!
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We need to elect those with the courage to actually repair our broken immigration system. It’s a hot potato that gets tossed from one administration to another.
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yes
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And with regard to the trans issue, why go to the incredibly rare and extreme and unusual cases? You do understand, don’t you, that gender and sex are different things and that people exist on all parts of the gender continuum, right? that there are literally millions of trans people who do not belong to the tiny, tiny, tiny group of people that you have cherry picked? Right?
Maybe not
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You are the one who needs to do some research. Undocumented immigrants pay billions into the system but qualify for very few social services. No social security. No medicare.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/seven-myths-that-cloud-immigration-debate/
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The goal of Biden and Congressional Democrats is to give citizenship to all 20+ million illegal immigrants currently in the country, along with however many more cross the border over the next 18 months. As citizens they will qualify for Medicare, Social Security, and all other public assistance programs. Their low incomes will never generate enough taxes to cover the costs of those benefits – the same for all low income people.
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Dear Ms. Kelly: What a load of preposterous poppycock. From what backwater of the Internet do you scrape up such obvious falsehood and blithering foolishness? Is there a depth BELOW the white supremacist fora on 4Chan?
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Martha Kelly,
Biden’s immigrant policy is no different from Trump’s.
The fact is that our economy needs immigrants. Farmers need them to bring in the crops. Hotels need them to clean rooms. Restaurants need them to work in the kitchen. Manufacturers need them to fill empty jobs in the factory floor. There are help wanted signs in many sectors. High school graduates don’t take these jobs. Would you?
DeSantis demonizes immigrants but he will hear from farmers when no one is there to pick the oranges and grapefruit.
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https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consumption-means-tested-welfare-entitlement-benefits-2019
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https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-immigrants-are-americas-superpower/
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Quoting from that last piece:
So, at the federal level, an immigrant is said to contribute on average a little over $1,000 more in revenues than they receive in federal benefits. So, in other words, bring in an additional immigrant and the federal balance sheet looks healthier as a result of expanded immigration. Now, this is partly because immigrants pay a whole lot in taxes, and this is partly because recent immigrants actually aren’t eligible for a whole slew of federal benefits. So, immigrants are good for the federal balance sheet. Okay.
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Bob “the Legend” — My life has been working with all “these immigrants” so (since you are great at this) — I believe when people in our area were whining about the lazy immigrants, we found the the “poor whites” were actually more of a drain on our public assistance programs by far. And, knowing all these families, they are the hardest workers I know. I believe back in the day it was my “Oakie” grandparents who were in the fields not contributing.
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I know these folks up close and personal. The best people on the planet. Incredibly hard working and decent. Very family oriented. With the values that built this country to begin with. The pampered creeps who throw hate their way are just ignorant. The anti-immigrant hate mongers make much ado of their patriotism, but these immigrants are what the American experiment and the American dream are all about.
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
That embodies a real patriotic American spirit. The opposite? That lifetime leech Donald Trump., who has never known a day’s work in his life.
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Click to access 20221207_THP_WatsonEdelberg_Immigration_Proposal.pdf
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@Bob — I was just going to post that! It’s divisive tactics. Make the people look one way, think one way, dumb ’em down, and no worries. They took our jobs away? Really, pitching watermelons in Turlock? Picking lettuce in Salinas? Really? Picking Prunes? Busting concrete in 114 degree heat? Hanging out at Home Depot? Getting turned away with a broken hand (so he could work) because he didn’t have the money for Urgent Care. Going to Emergency after 8 p.m so they could help the baby stay alive. Coming to school sick as not to get in trouble with the DA’s office because the family didn’t have the money to get a “doctor’s note” to excuse the absence. I remember telling my students, “You need to take advantage of your education. Don’t you think your parents would trade places with you in an instant if they could? They are breaking their backs to make sure you get educated so your kids don’t HAVE TO do this kind of work. Just for grins, what is the percentage of the “rich” skirting taxes while pointing the finger at the “immigrants draining the coffer? I am sooooo heated, but I need to finish painting my ceiling. And as for Trump’s Wall…I remember Molly Ivins (RIP) from Texas, used to say they had a wall climbing contest each year as she joked about “the wall” as a stopper. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492 and https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/07/01/wall-wont-fix-immigration Now, back to painting my ceiling.
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Bless you, Mr. Charvet. Precisely.
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I miss Molly Ivins! Wasn’t she just fine and fierce!!!! xoxoxoxo
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Pete: out here in my world, it is about people. Luis, Hector, their families, who introduced me to taco lingua. They work hard, love to joke, and play music that uses the tuba for its bass line. Every morning, they drink a coke they bought at the store. This puts $.20 in the state treasury. When they buy an electric tool, they pad the state coffers with about $20. They rarely use the police, for they are good and law-abiding. I have no idea if they are legal or not. They are just good folks. This is what immigration is about.
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Undocumented immigrants do the work that American citizens don’t want to do. DeSantis’s regs are a disaster for the agricultural and hospitality sectors of the Florida economy. Undocumented workers pay taxes, billions and billions each year. They also do not “take American jobs.” LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, the buy gasoline and groceries and blue jeans and so EXERCISE DEMAND, which CREATES JOBS. Economists know that the net result of their being here is a small but not entirely negligible INCREASE in the total number of jobs available to American citizens of a little under 1 percent.
And thank you, Roy. I live in Florida. I w
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I watch these people mowing the lawns and trimming the hedges and standing in the brutal sun all day repairing roofs in freaking 100+ temperatures–dong stuff citizens here won’t do–so that they can go back at night and sleep in a rented room with eight other people so that they can send a few bucks back to their mothers and father or grandmothers and grandfathers in Honduras as Mexico or Guatemala, and I think, this is what real nobility looks like in my book. And it’s about as far away as one can get from the puffy, pampered white racists sitting at their computers in their comfy homes in the suburbs complaining about people who work harder in an hour than they do all freaking year, contributing to our economy.
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And yes, look at the crime stats from the Department of Justice. Those “criminals and rapists” that the actual criminal and rapist Donald Trump talks about have THE LOWEST RATES OF VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME OF ANY SUBGROUP IN OUR COUNTRY’S POPULATION.
But you won’t read or hear such facts on or in Fox News, NewMax, not-so-Brietbart, the National Review, the Wall Street Journal of Corporate Apologetics, or other Reich-wing rags.
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And a lot of folks who spread the anti-immigrant hate actually know better, but they also know, as Joseph Goebbels did, that hate sells.
Ironic, isn’t it, that those people–the peddlers of hate and disinformation–also bill themselves as Christian.
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Pete Theberath– “The vast majority of Americans have a live and let live attitude.”
If that were ever so, it is no longer. We have a bunch of copycat state legislatures, ranging from 16 to 25 depending on the issue, that micromanage everything from corporate HR policies— to banks’ investment policies—to local public health decisions—to local school board decisions— to topics of classroom discussions— to state college course offerings— to decisions made between doctor and patient— to which athletes may compete against which—to who may share locker room facilities—to who may use which bathrooms—to what books school libraries (& in some cases public libraries) may put on their shelves.
Most of these laws have been enacted in the last 3 yrs, which amounts to a veritable revolution in state intrusion into local and personal matters. This is not “live and let live.”
It is possible that many of these laws reflect purely political ambitions/ fears of elected politicians, rather than the druthers of their constituents. They try to mitigate any voter repercussions by making up stories about why such laws are necessary [e.g., “sexually explicit material is being taught to elementary age students!”]. Hopefully their voters will get wise and elect better representation.
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I had a reply to Theberath, but it was awaiting moderation and now has disappeared. When I tried to re-post it, it said it was a duplicate comment.
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oops never mind– there it is! 🙃
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I saw it, Ginny.
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Reading about the daily outrages coming out of Tallahassee drains my brain, too.
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It is amazing how many people buy into the hate, fear, and prejudice so easily. We must hope politicians like DeSantis take the rhetoric too far, but we dare not sit and wait for that to happen. Our focus must be on turning every struggling elementary school around so we can start pumping out thoughtful citizens who understand both the natural and social sciences, the true meaning of democracy, and who have learned to be kind and compassionate. Sadly it is a gradual process, so we dare not lose a single moment.
The people who follow such leaders, blindly, have forgotten one of the most important principles of democracy. The best way to protect one’s own rights is to protect the rights of others
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That’s why DeSantis is remaking the curriculum in Florida schools. I believe with help from Hillsdale College. He wants to “pump out” less thoughtful students than you envision to remake a future electorate in his image.
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Really Diane??? Please explain how biden leaving the border open with millions of dollars of equipment rotting away. 90,000 children missing. Under Trump, lowest ever. Remember Obama cged the kids with the infamous 2014 pic they tried to pin on TRump, fake news.
Martha the goal is to use the illegals for votes, you think Pelosi or any of them care for these migrants only to use for their own power and pity.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/as-trump-moves-to-declare-national-emergency-to-build-wall-border-crossings-at-record-lows.html
https://www.newsweek.com/border-crossings-3-times-higher-under-biden-trump-1744641
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Josh,
Trump’s biggest promise in 2016 was that he would build “a big, beautiful wall” and “Mexico will pay for it.”
He built about 200 miles of wall and Mexico did not pay for it.
Did he lie, Josh? Or just fail?
Why didn’t he fulfill his biggest promise?
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Josh– When Trump made a big campaign issue about “closing border,” border-crossings from Mexico had been steadily declining since 2000, for multiple reasons. The number who got through was stabilized at a low & declining level since 2012, because it simply became much harder without being detected and apprehended. Prior, 2/3 [of steadily declining attempts] got in without apprehension. Since 2012, 2/3 are apprehended/ deported.
Sure, Trump brought the level down some more during 2017-2019 with saber-rattling/ ICE crackdowns etc.
Then– big surprise, border-crossing # sunk very low in 2020– the worst, 1st yr of covid/ shutdowns– then surged as vaccines became available & things re-opened [as Biden admin began]. Who would have predicted that? 🙄 Border-crossing jumped to 1.5million— but 1 million were expulsed! [Including Haitians, en masse, despite Biden admin earlier declaring Haiti was a country too dangerous for deportations.] As since 2012, expulsions = 2/3 of crossings.
However, a new issue has been building since 2014: increasing #s of unaccompanied familes/ children seeking political asylum. Both Obama & Trump admins tried to deter this by draconian methods—without effect. The # of single adults looking to improve their income stayed as low as before—popped up post-covid, but is within historical declining trend. But families & children seeking asylum was becoming a unique processing problem, & continues to be…
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Josh, the whole reason Trump ran is because three sleazebag racists–Miller, Bannon, and Sessions–looked around for another racist who was extremist enough to take their white supremacist message forward. This whole ugly part of our history is detailed in Frontline’s great documentary on the subject, here:
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Folks might be interested in the latest This American Life episode: The Florida Experiment. The link is here: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/805/the-florida-experiment
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What a terrific show, TE, thanks for this link. I’m only about halfway through, but will finish. The prolog is fascinating in its description of how various cohorts are drawn to FL [particularly Sarasota County] as an experiment in rw politics. Act I gives a real-life example, with Mike Flynn’s center, half of which is devoted to implementing the concept of “medical freedom.” I am particularly enjoying “Act II,” which interviews faculty & students at FL’s largest state U during the proposal-to-passage phases of HB999 (restriction on what may be taught in FL state colleges). It shows you what “chilling” looks like at the granular level.
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Good stuff, TE. Thanks.
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