There’s an old saying, “Don’t change horses in midstream.” But loud voices in the media are calling on the Democratic Party to oust their President only four months before the election.
Stuart Stevens disagrees.
Stevens worked as a strategist in many Republican state and national campaigns. In 2012, he was the chief strategist for Mitt Romney’s Presidential campaign. In 2016, he joined the Never Trump movement and was a co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.
He recently wrote a scathing critique in The Atlantic of the Democrats who want to push President Biden out of the race because of his terrible debate performance on June 27.
He wrote:
Millions vote for a candidate, propelling him to victory. Before the voters’ decision is formally certified, people who don’t like the outcome demand that the election results be thrown out and a different candidate selected in a closed process. That was America on January 6, 2021. And now, some in the Democratic Party want to follow a similar script.
The Democratic Party held 57 primaries and caucuses; voters in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and five U.S. territories had their say, as did Democrats abroad. Joe Biden won 87 percent of the total vote. He lost one contest, in American Samoa, to the little-known Jason Palmer. Suddenly, there are cries in the Democratic Party that, as goes a single territorial caucus, so should the nation.
I worked in five presidential campaigns for Republicans and helped elect Republican senators and governors in more than half of the country. For decades, I made ads attacking the Democratic Party. But in all those years, I never saw anything as ridiculous as the push, in the aftermath of last week’s debate, to replace Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee. For many in the party, the event raised genuine concerns about the incumbent’s fitness for a new term. But a president’s record makes a better basis for judgment than a 90-minute broadcast does. Biden has a capable vice president, should he truly become unable to serve. The standard for passing over Democratic voters’ preferred nominee should be extraordinarily high—and has not been met.
The fundamental danger of Donald Trump is that he’s an autocrat who refuses to accept the will of the voters. So the proper response is to throw out millions of votes, dump the overwhelming choice, and replace him with someone selected by a handful of insiders? What will the message be: “Our usurper is better than your usurper”?
What is it about the Democratic Party that engenders this kind of self-doubt and fear? At a moment when Democrats’ instinct should mirror what Biden declared in a rally the day after the debate—“When you are knocked down, you get back up”—some in the party are seized by the urge to run, not fight. Think about how this would look: Hey, I guess Donald Trump is right; our guy isn’t fit to be president. We’ll give it another shot. Trust us, we’ll get it right eventually.
Madness.
After decades of losing the image wars as Republicans positioned themselves as the “party of strength,” Democrats are on the verge of a historic self-redefinition. When Biden traveled to Ukraine, he became the first president to visit an allied war zone not controlled by U.S. troops. A Democratic speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, defied China and visited Taiwan. A Republican Party that was once defined by Ronald Reagan demanding “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” is now the beating heart of the pro–Vladimir Putin movement, led by a former president elected with the Russian dictator’s help…
Given a huge opportunity to project more self-assurance than Trump’s Republicans, these Dump Biden Democrats would ensure that their party once again slips back into the quicksand of doubt and second-guessing. No major American political party has thrown a presidential nominee overboard, so leave it up to some geniuses in the Democratic Party to hatch a scheme to make history.
What makes them believe that replacing Biden increases the chances of defeating Trump? How many times have candidates with impressive state-level records crashed and burned in a presidential race? The last time a party held on to the White House without the benefits of incumbency was 36 years ago. Recent polls show none of the fantasy replacement Democrats beating Trump. There are polls showing Biden defeating Trump. Say what you will about the Biden campaign’s organization, but four years ago it defeated an incumbent president—no easy thing.
Clearly, something was off inside the Biden campaign that allowed this debate debacle to occur, starting with the choice even to debate Trump. The Biden team easily could have insisted, as a precondition for a debate, that Trump first publicly acknowledge that he is running against a legally elected president who won a fair vote. Also, why did Biden look like an undertaker had done his makeup? But those breakdowns do not negate the substantial evidence that the Biden campaign knows how to defeat Trump. Do Democrats really want to throw that aside and reconstruct a campaign from scratch months before an existential election?
Presidential campaigns are billion-dollar businesses open to customers for a limited time. Right now, Democrats have a huge advantage over a GOP apparatus gutted by Trump in a power play that installed his daughter-in-law as co-chair of the Republican National Committee. What are the Dump Biden Democrats thinking? That Trump’s mob-boss takeover of his party gave them an unfair edge, so it’s only sporting for them to emulate him?
Trump is the candidate of chaos, uncertainty, and erratic behavior. Democrats can win a race against him by offering Americans the opposite: steady, calm, and confident leadership. Joe Biden has provided that. His record is arguably the most impressive of any first-term president since World War II. My advice to Democrats: Run on that record; don’t run from one bad debate. Show a little swagger, not timidity. Forget all this Dump Biden nonsense and seize the day. Now is the worst time to flinch. Your country needs strength. You can crush Donald Trump, but only if you fight.

There are obvious and significant downsides to Biden stepping aside. But I don’t think it’s “absurd” to want a candidate who can reliably and audibly complete a sentence.
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Agree. Six months ago would have been a good time. But the media would have done a job tearing that person down by now. It would have to be Kamala now, or many Black voters will sit it out.
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I’m not sure I buy the idea that black voters would demand Kamala. Not sure she’s very popular with black voters or other voters. Only a primary season would have told.
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Black women voters love Kamala.
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Complete Sentences?
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I assume that’s a reference to the fact that Trump himself is rarely coherent? If so, there is a case to be made that Trump is so bad that it doesn’t matter how elderly or infirm Biden appears. But it is not “absurd” to be concerned about how elderly or infirm Biden appears.
Remember polling has shown that most Democrats think Biden is too old to be an effective president for a long time now. It’s not absurd to be concerned about that. We knew this a year ago, and in my view Biden should have stepped aside to allow a successor to emerge through a primary. But back then people like me were told that the idea that Biden was too old was a right-wing myth. That was bad.
Now, we’re in a tough spot. I don’t think there’s any clear best path forward. But I am not a little annoyed about everyone who tried to shut down discussions on the left about Biden’s age.
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The “left” never liked Biden. He beat Trump because he is a centrist.
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I’m using the term very broadly. I suppose I mean mainstream Democrats.
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No candidate wins without the support of mainstream Democrats.
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Agreed. My point, in the paragraph that used the term “the left,” is that I am very annoyed with all the people who dismissed concerns about Biden’s age as right-wing propaganda.
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FLERP,
I don’t remember a huge uproar about Biden’s age a year or two ago. Nor was there an outcry when he launched his campaign. Only one person challenged him in a primary—whose name I have forgotten. Typically, an incumbent president chooses whether or not to run. LBJ is the only one I can think of who did that. He was in deep trouble because of Vietnam.
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Diane, I’d have to do some research to look at how the discourse about Biden’s age has developed over the last four years. And I don’t know how one would define a “huge uproar.” But I know polling has showed a massive portion of Democrats have thought Biden is too old to be an effective president for a long time, and certainly back in 2023.
Here is a post from November 2023 about coverage of Biden’s age. The discussion is familiar. A lot of people blaming the media for promoting the idea that Biden’s age was a problem for his reaction. Very few people actually concerned about his age and the widespread concern about his age among Democratic voters.
Well, here we are.
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Sorry, here’s the post.
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Here’s another post on the topic, from around 10 months ago.
Check the comments. About the same. A few commenters saying Biden’s age is a real concern and he should have already stepped aside for other candidates. Most others dismissing the idea that Biden as right-wing propaganda.
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And another post, this one from 11 months ago.
Same dynamic in the comments. At this time, polls were showing about 2/3 of Democratic voters—two thirds!—thought Biden was too old to be an effective president for another term.
This is not a new issue. People, including most Democratic voters, have thought Biden was too old to run for another term for a long time. The shame is that the dam didn’t break last fall.
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Trump reads the polls obsessively. The candidate he was worried about was Biden. That’s the origin of his infamous phone call to Zelensky, seeking dirt on Biden.
Now who is he most afraid of?
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Unfortunately I don’t think Trump is very afraid of anyone right now. He’s got to be maximally confident.
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The irony of the comment about people like me lacking critical thinking skills is that I was the guy who made “critical thinking” a buzzword in education in the United States.
A long, long time ago, I revised a failed grammar and composition program for an educational publisher you would all know and introduced to that program, for the first time, a chapter in each book that I entitled “Critical Thinking.” The chapters treated deduction and induction and common logical fallacies and other such topics.
Well, that series became the bestselling grammar and comp program in the country. It sold millions and millions of copies. And the next year, every freaking textbook program in the country, just about, had a “critical thinking” strand and every education conference had a bunch of workshops on “critical thinking.” It had become the rage, and no one had any notion that I, the anonymous editor, had had anything to do with it. ROFL.
All this happened because I had been working my way through Irving Copi’s Symbolic Logic and had read in a collection of academic articles about composition about some thinking workshops that someone was conducting in Venezuelan schools and happened around that time to be handed this grammar and comp and to be told to revise the table of contents to make the thing more interesting and competitive.
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“Remember polling has shown that most Democrats think Biden is too old to be an effective president for a long time now.”
Yes, the polls have said that the entire 4 years that Biden has been an effective president!
Polls also showed that voters believed HRC was far more corrupt than Trump. Polls showed that “even Dems” thought she was corrupt but many held their noses and voted for her anyway.
I don’t argue that voters think Biden is “too old” because it’s extraordinary how this has been the main news (another 10 or 15 new articles in the NYT and Washington Post just today!) The problem is that they will do that to whoever replaces him as the nominee. Voters will agree that the nominee is “too (insert Republican talking point here)” because “even the liberal NYT” says so.
Maybe Michelle Obama IS the only choice because the media seemed incline not to destroy Obama the way they have done every other Dem. Obama wasn’t “too treasonous”.
I wouldn’t choose a candidate based on who voters like right now.
I’d choose one based on whether the NYT is going to refrain from amplifying the right wing message or not.
After all, what’s more scary than electing a guy who you are told over and over again looked like Snoopy riding a tank? (FYI, Dukakis actually looks exactly like the very recent photo of a young person I know in the military riding a tank and I guess someone mean spirited could say that every soldier in a tank wears headgear that makes them look foolish, but who except someone looking to cut someone down even notices that?) But if all the “cool kids” tell you how stupid that person looks, you get to join in and make fun of them. And when you are told that Dukakis looking like Snoopy in a tank is a sign of something much more seriously wrong about Dukakis, you start to worry that he is unfit to be president.
It’s a shame the NYT doesn’t do this kind of flood the zone coverage on news that actually IS something voters should be extremely worried about. What the Republicans and right wing Supreme Court are doing.
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Thanks, NYCPSP.
I would like to see The NY Times devote 190 articles to Project 2025 and to the content of Trump’s speeches and his occasional lapses into incoherence.
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“Yes, the polls have said that the entire 4 years that Biden has been an effective president.”
What?
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Bob: so here is some critical thinking from the barbershop: Joe, who knows everything, told me liked Trump because Trump is “the whole thing.” He’s all out there for you. Nuthin hid.
Here in Diane’s parlor, people have suggested that Trump is an Ass, and that has been ascertained multiple times.
Using critical thinking skills, I think I can make these two views sympathize: Trump is a whole Ass, ergo, an ass whole.
Chris Rufo gave us the now ubiquitous “woke” usage. Shakespeare gave us puke. Now why would I put these together? Thanks for giving us critical thinking.
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LOL! How are things with the Turrentines?
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“Remember polling has shown that most Democrats think Biden is too old to be an effective president for a long time now.”
And that’s why Biden won all but one of his primaries? We’ve had our referendum. I don’t buy that now everyone has decided Biden’s incompetent. And I certainly don’t want the party leadership telling me that my vote didn’t count.
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I’m talking about polling from 2022 onward, which got especially stark in 2023. I don’t know what the polls showed on 2020 on the age question. But it wasn’t so long ago that I’ve forgotten that Biden’s age wasn’t much discussed in 2020. Every one of the Dem voters I know was very well aware that we were voting for a guy who was way past his prime—he was 77, how is this surprising!!—and we could barely stand to watch the debates out of fear that he’d freeze up. But he had a ton of goodwill at that time and he was (correctly, I think) seen as the most viable candidate to beat Trump.
Four years have passed. Biden today is a shadow of the man he was even in 2020. Watch the 2020 debates against Trump and compare that Biden to today.
Your primary vote in 2020 counted for the 2020 primary. It doesn’t count for 2024.
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Wait a minute! Why doesn’t my 2024 primary vote count? Granted Biden was the only major candidate on the ballot, but I could have expressed my disapproval with a write-in vote. I chose Biden because his administration has delivered. Do I wish he were younger? Of course! Do I wish he was a better speaker? Yeah, but speechifying has never been his strength. He apparently has been able to communicate effectively during his first term despite lifelong issues with speech.
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Oh, I thought you meant your 2020 primary vote. Yes, of course your primary vote counts this year. He’s the nominee.
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“Few seem to remember that Biden’s age and his verbal gaffes were an issue in the 2020 campaign.”
Rebecca Solnit, The Guardian, yesterday
And truer words never spoken.
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What?
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I want to state for the record that the replacement nominee for Biden is “too xxxx” (whatever attack the Republicans are making that becomes the subject of 300 NYT articles in a week and the ONLY subject that is relevant in the campaign for the next 4 months.
That way, when that Democrat loses, I can crow “I told you so” here and blame the candidate for not being better.
If the Democrat manages to win despite the fact that the subject of 90% of the campaign coverage has been how the Democrat is “too xxxx”, “polls show the candidate is too xxxx”, “voters in a diner say the candidate is too xxxx”, then my error will be forgotten the way the people who were telling us in 2020 that Biden is too old are forgotten.
It’s a win-win for me — I work very hard to legitimize and amplify what the NYT and the rest of the so-called liberal media has written 1000 stories about and if the Dem wins, well democracy is saved, but if the Dem loses, I get to crow “I told you so”, we should have kept Biden.
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I only have two words to say on this subject : Vince Foster! If you cant figure it out, you have been asleep for two decades,NYC PSP has or can explain.
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I remember when Bill Clinton was elected. For 8 years, the Republicans demonized both him and Hillary. He was utterly charming. The GOP unleashed nonstop hate on them.
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The media’s going with that Comey Show again this Summer. I’m surprised they didn’t hold it til October, but it makes them feel so powerful, and they get so excited, they couldn’t help being a bit premature.
I CAN believe they’re pulling it again … but I CAN’T believe people are falling for it again. I have totally lost respect for anyone who does …
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Jon, I am in the same camp as you are. I have lost respect for a lot of people who I had previously deemed critical thinkers with worthy opinions until this debacle.
Frankly, I’m tired of the nonsense. The same voices that were crying “but his age” before the debate are out again ramping up dissent. They had it in for Biden from the get-go because they value optics over substance with a vision of politics that is as myopic as a popularity contest.
I am done with this movement of framing the candidacy on the basis of one public appearance. Biden is known for gaffes—nothing new. His experience IS his super power.
Time to rally and unite, not play the “holier-than-thou” game that causes the left to lose so many good people and policies. If people don’t understand politics by now, there is no hope for them.
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Pile of dogshit on my lawn or Trump. I’ll take the pile of dogshit.
Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, or Trump. Aren’t these the same individual?
Biden or Trump. OK. You’re kidding, right? Who in their right mind would take the latter?
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yeah, yeah, I know. Who in his or her right mind
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It isn’t we boomers who have to be convinced. The young vote is turning away because the political establishment, in the Democratic and Republican Party, has done little to assuage their challenges. The real danger is that people will simply choose to sit out.
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Exactly so
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Click the link to see my response, Paul
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Those young people who choose to sit out are probably those who have never been engaged. The ones who have been boots on the ground and have worked to make change know nothing comes easy. They know that you vote for the best choice, the one who is most likely to hear you in the future. The ones who are threatening to take their toys and go home still have a lot of growing to do.
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We can be as judgmental as we like, but the critical battle line is convincing young adults that Trump is a threat to their future. Democrats have not done a great job with this because the issues that worry young people the most (student loans, housing, guns, climate, and healthcare et al) have not been addressed in their view. Biden has taken some of this on, but the difficult part is that his legislation has had only incremental impact at this point.
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“I want what I want now!” Biden has done what he can on his end. Tell them to vote out the MAGA crowd if they want more action. You list a bunch of initiatives on which he has done things, but, for some reason, young people do not seem to grasp what they have gained or the role Congress must play to achieve more. Biden has been very creative in using his executive power and he has gotten more out of the Republicans than anyone thought possible. Young people have incredibly short memories or no understanding of how our government works. If they take their marbles and go home, they will deserve what they get. Unfortunately petulant apathy would cost us all.
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So why aren’t young people happy with this great economy Biden has given them? Because due to health care costs, housing costs, education costs, child care costs, an absolute fealty to GDP when making economic policy, living in America is too damned expensive. Double and triple that of the rest of the world’s democracies. And we are not getting quality for it as Nimby deregulation and fealty to wealthy lobbyists blocks progress. One of the concerns about the current political crisis is that adults from ages 20 to 40 are showing signs of dropping out of our Democracy. Not because they don’t prefer it, but because it is not answering their needs. Judging them as if they are your child will not change this calculus. Much of the Reagan revolution occurred because “The Greatest Generation” responded to boomers in the same way many respond to Mellinials et al today. Many polls actually reveal that the younger vote actually wants to take on climate and other existential risks to our future. It is our “wait your turn” attitude that is holding back change. Yes, Biden is a better option over Trump, but contrary to Jill Biden’s assertion, he is not the only Democrat who can send us in the right direction. The hubris of such a comment is breath taking and defies Biden’s perceived humility. From Bill Maher to Nancy Pelosi I am sick of this ongoing diatribe about the “naiveté” and laziness of young Americans. I have three adult children who would counter that narrative. They know how critical this time is. They’re the ones who will have to live with our denial in the future.
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I have four adult children facing today’s problems. One lives in Canada where they can’t afford to buy a house near their jobs because it is too expensive, and they make more than comfortable salaries by U.S. standards. The only people who can afford it are those who have family money. Plus the only mortgages available must be renegotiated every five years, which is another disincentive to home ownership. Another adult child faces childcare costs so high that it is determining the size of their family, but they have acceptable choices for the two they do have. Childcare was almost nonexistent when my kids were growing up. Three of the four are making far more money than we did, and they actually seem to have enough to have a social life that involves actually leaving the house. (Four children does tend to limit group excursions.) There is a world of difference between the environment in which we raised our kids and now, and since Biden became President the changes for the better after so many years of trickle down austerity have been monumental. I have hope but only if Biden is reelected. It’s too late to think another Democrat can take on Trump. That debate should have happened before and during the primaries. I voted for Democracy then, and with all its messiness I will vote for it again. THE BIDEN-HARRIS TEAM IS THE ONE THAT CAN DELIVER. If millennials want a world to complain about, they had better vote democratic. Trump and his Project 2025 will undo everything and more that has been accomplished in the past few years.
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Bob…..I wanted morning Joe to read my unabridged effort for the democrats…..In 1970, when I became 24 years old, I ran for the Missouri legislature in St. Francois county as a Democrat. I thought things would be improved if we changed to a unicameral way of voting, because one house was constantly blocking the other from getting things done. Let the Democrats and Republicans vote just once and compromises would result. I did not expect to be elected, because I was serving for the first air cavalry in Vietnam. I received several hundred votes, and my victorious opponent praised what I was doing in Vietnam first as a combat medic and then as a saxophonist in a really great band. We traveled to remote fire bases to play popular songs which reminded those soldiers of what awaited them back home. Google the keyboard player’s name….NEIL LARSEN to get an idea of how good we were.
I am not running for anything in 2024, but I still play my saxophone. My suggestion for the democrats this year is to nominate Kamala Harris for president, with a promise that she would ask Joe Biden to become her White House chief of staff. His duty would be to make sure the nation has a top notch cabinet responding to what the nation wants.
Kamala might be unpopular now, but that will change quickly…..Donald Trump will not know what the hell is hitting him. Joe Biden will have plenty to do, and if his health should become a problem, there is nothing to prevent the president from finding a new chief of staff.
By the way, I still believe the Missouri senate and house should adopt a unicameral way of voting, and start responding to what the public actually wants.
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I agree about Kamala. However, Chief of Staff is the wrong job for Biden. The Chief of Staff maintains the president’s calendar, controls access to the president, forms and manages the president’s staff, and acts as a liaison for the president to Congress, among other things. So, there are a billion parts to the job and a lot to remember. It’s definitely a job for someone who is at the top of his or her level of cognitive function. So, Senior Advisor, perhaps?
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I find myself going back and forth on this since last Thursday. The Biden camp response to this has not made it easier. What we are seeing is that perhaps Biden’s greatest character flaw is his stubbornness. Instead of going out immediately to town halls or press conferences he hesitated a few days, made excuses about a cold, said he needed an earlier bed time, then claimed if he loses in November he would have given it his best shot. Yes, the press is honing in on Biden’s weakness, but he doesn’t seem to understand that what the American people are asking is that he prove he is up to the job of being President. A couple of months ago Jon Stewart got hammered for daring to say age is an issue. In that Daily News episode he stated that if Biden is as with it as his campaign insists, show it. In the recent Pod Save America “Wilderness” program, Jon Favreau highlighted that perhaps the most cynical of voters right now are those under 30. And not because of Gaza. They have been calling for younger representation for over a decade now and neither of the two parties have moved in that direction. In 2018, 2020, and 2022, young adults carried the Democratic Party. Yet, the problems of student loans, housing costs, health care costs, and child care continue unabated. Biden’s poll numbers have lagged stubbornly for over a year now. Not because he has gotten little done, but because he has not demonstrated his willingness to get out into the country as his modern predecessors have done. If Biden wants to remain the Democratic nominee he has to get among the people. If his frailty keeps this from happening then Democrats need another choice. This election is different than any in my lifetime. It is not like 1968, 1972, 1992, or any other campaign. We can’t afford to continue this ongoing denial about the electorate or the threat of Republican criminality (Yes, if there is one thing proven by SCOTUS last Monday, they have no problem with a criminal in the Whitehouse). I have significant regard for Stuart Stevens and the Lincoln Project. I also find the Bulwark engaging. However, this blindness about Biden’s chief vulnerability is not something to linger over.
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It is not a matter of IF his frailty keeps this from happening. This is NOT NEW. He was so frail back into 2020 that his public appearances were extremely limited and choreographed, so much so that people said that he was “campaigning from his basement.” And that was four years ago. these days, he barely limps to a podium, and when he gets there, he rambles and forgets what he’s intending to say ROUTINELY. His people have been hiding how bad this is the way that FDR’s people hid his paralysis from polio.
People age at differing rates. Age has not been kind to Joe Biden.
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Joe Biden has been an incredibly successful President. If he’s lacking in “mental acuity,” how has he been so successful?
If the choice is between Biden, a man of diminished mental acuity who believes in democracy, and Trump, the worst president in American history, I’ll stick with Biden.
The economy is booming. The stock market is at historic highs; unemployment is low. Inflation is coming down. Communities are rebuilding their vital infrastructure with federal aid. Biden is getting the job done.
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He has been so successful because he has a lot of experience, he can still formulate an agenda, and he had the sense to surround himself with experienced, capable people who could carry that agenda out. And I am totally with you about there being no choice if it’s between these two. I’ll stick with Biden too, if he stays in. And yes, his economy is booming. And he’s done a great job. But surely you do remember, Diane, all the speculation about his age during the last 2020 campaign in which people talked about how he was running a “basement campaign” because he couldn’t handle a lot of public appearances. That was a regular theme of that campaign.
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surely you do remember, Diane, all the speculation about his age during the last 2020 campaign”
correct! And yet Biden’s job performance was superb.
There is some logic here that I am missing. People have been saying Biden is too old to be president since 2020, yet he’s been very successful, but Biden is too old to be president.
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Aww. Bob, maybe our mutual admiration society can do a little or more to avert mutually assured political and societal destruction.
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I wish
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I posted this on my blog earlier today:
The Art of Comparison Exemplified | Bob Shepherd
Donald Trump and parasitic wasp larvae differ in size.
Some troll just answered with this:
“For many years I’ve said that if someone screws you, screw them back. When somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and as violently as you can.” — Donald J. Trump (How to Get Rich, 2004)
And how like our Republican nominee to use a metaphor of sexual violence.
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Bob, I bookmarked your post Trump v. Biden: Comparing the Records, and I’ll be using it liberally (double entendre intended) and with attribution in my outreach to voters. Let’s all keep getting our good words out there. As some poststructuralist said, it all gets into the discourse.
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Thanks, Bill. Please do share that. That’s my hope when I post these pieces.
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And while you’re at it, you might share this:
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John Fetterman said, “Democrats need to buckle up and grow a pair.” In essence, they need to stand by their guy. Unity matters!
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Thanks, John, for that illuminating analysis–breadth, depth, careful argument and consideration of the nuances of the political landscape. I haven’t heard such insight since the last Trump rally.
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Fetterman can be blunt, but he’s loyal. We don’t see Republicans on the news every day being asked about supporting a convicted felon.
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That’s sickening, isn’t it? How they just fall in line behind the Lowlife no matter what he does or says, no matter what is revealed of his past. I agree that the extremity that is Donald Trump has become normalized via familiarity. It shouldn’t be. The outrage at him should be renewed each day.
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I don’t understand why the mainstream media doesn’t demand that Trump step down. Convicted felon. Compromised national security. Probably sold names of our spies. Danger to democracy. Refused to allow peaceful transition of power. Incited an insurrection.
Why is there not a loud outcry for him to leave the race?
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Why, indeed? But then I cannot for the life of me figure out why this guy, a career criminal and conman, a lifelong sexual predator and serial philanderer and cheat on his wives, a casino operator, an embezzler from his own fake charity, a money launderer for Russian mobsters, a seditionist many times over, a long-term Russian asset if not agent, who violated the Espionage Act numerous times and has continually disparaged our military and our allies while cozying up to dictators around the globe, who used his office to enrich himself with emoluments, who increased the debt by 7.8 TRILLION dollars, whose signature piece of policy was an enormous tax break for the wealthiest Americans at a time when the wealth gap is already ginormous–why this guy is in consideration for anything other than prison is utterly beyond me.
I have concluded that half of American voters are utter morons who couldn’t read the label on a box of cereal.
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Fauci said in an interview yesterday that in all his interactions with Biden, the man was probing and well prepared and extremely analytical. Also said that he would have no reservations about Biden. So, for those who want the man to stay in.
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I’m all over the place–any place–in my thinking about what’s best for the Democrats (= best for the U.S. and best for the world). One thought that keeps coming up is that we vote not merely for a president, but for a presidential *administration* that embodies far more than a single person. We vote for priorities, plans, policies, and personnel, which in this case could hardly be more starkly different. Four examples among thousands: We are choosing between (i) a potential two-state solution in the Holy Land versus inhumane occupation of one people by another, (ii) keeping Social Security solvent by taxing incomes over $400,000 per annum versus no plan, (iii) an economically necessary shift to renewable fuels versus billions of tons more carbon in the atmosphere along with a guaranteed greater rise in global temperatures, and (iv) Antony Blinken versus Stephen Miller. Whatever Joe Biden’s difficulties with memory and articulation—I perceive no diminution in his capacity to make judgments and decisions—a vote for him is a vote for the former option in each of these choices.
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Extremely well said, Bill.
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Thank you, Bob. I value your thoughts tremendously.
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And I yours, Bill.
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“Whatever Joe Biden’s difficulties with memory and articulation—I perceive no diminution in his capacity to make judgments and decisions”
Thank you Bill Rosenthal. This is exactly what I believe. I don’t know why this is the message being amplified.
Instead, the message is Biden is too old, and the clear underlying unstated message that undecided voters are hearing is “Biden is too old and no longer has the capacity to make judgements and decisions, so it’s better to go with Trump than a guy who would be dangerous answering the phone at 3am.”
I personally would not have a minute of worry about Biden answering the phone at 3am. Whereas I would worry EVERY SINGLE MOMENT that Trump is in the White House knowing that our democracy could end at any moment.
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Bill,
That’s my thinking too. That’s why I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket no matter who. I do find the media pile-on to Biden—a very successful president—unseemly.
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I’ll vote for Biden if he is the nominee. I just hope over 50% are with me.
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it makes sense that you’re all over the place, Bill, because there are no good options.
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I’m afraid that I have no choice but to concur. Good luck to all of us in our senior year.
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Thanks for this. So badly needed.
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One thing I note in the news recently is that, other than the occasional Supreme Court latest Atrocity, we have not heard much about immigration, inflation, or other manufactured crises.
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The wall between the state and the Lord Almighty:
GS: “If you can be convinced that you cannot defeat Donald Trump, will you stand down?”
JB: “It depends on– on if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me that, I might do that.”
What (fill-in) isn’t about them and/or their careers instead of justice, life or liberty for those WITHOUT a state issued title of subjective biases?
Hot Air authority (hubris) doesn’t change the fetid political market, where rump nuggets sell.
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We shouldn’t be having this conversation! The DNC pushed the Biden Presidency as 1 term…..4 years to get us out of the trump mess and Covid. I voted Biden because it was the ONLY choice at the time, but I thought he didn’t have the stamina (due to natural aging!) even back in 2015/2016. The bozos at the DNC had 3+ years to find a replacement and they blew it! All I can now say is “Shame on Biden!” for not being able to acknowledge his decreased physical and mental limitations (Parkinsons or other like illness?) and deciding that going for another 4 years is in the best interest of the country. If the choice is “dead man walking”, “the criminal con man” or “whacko worm brain”, I choose “dead man walking”…….but it’s still voting the lesser of evils.
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Well, several people, above, have stated flat out that they have “lost all respect” for those of us who think that Biden should step aside. They say that we are incapable of “critical thinking.” So, here’s my rationale:
1. There is a set of people in the United States who plant to vote for Biden.
2. That set is IDENTICAL to the set of people who would vote for the Democrat in any case.
3. So, if Biden is replaced by stepping down and either opening up his delegates or pledging them to Kamala Harris, the Democratic candidate will lose NONE of those already committed popular vote voters.
4. And it is likely that a younger candidate–especially one whose candidacy is a historical milestone–a Harris or a Whitmer)–will galvanize the younger vote. It is also likely that Harris would galvanize the black vote, which has been slipping for Biden.
5. So, if Biden dropped out, the Democrats would keep all the votes they currently have and add some.
There’s your critical thinking for you.
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And Nate Silver, who is one of the wisest prognosticators of elections, agrees with me.
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I’ve said this before….the Boomers (both sides) have screwed the pooch! Over the years they have extracted all the wealth that they can by skewing law to their favor. Now, the jig is up and those in power don’t want to cede it to those who may be able to fix it. And yes, our government is broken! It is not about “the people” anymore….it’s about winning for the tribe. I feel like I don’t have much representation for my taxation.
Mr. Biden should be sitting beachside reading a book, playing with his grandchildren and enjoying a relaxing lifestyle with his wife. Mr. Biden…Thank you for your service. You did a great job getting us out of a pickle. Happy Retirement!……NEXT!
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Well, being president is pretty cushy. Nice quarters. Personal chefs. Great salary. Enormous personal and professional autonomy.
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“I thought he didn’t have the stamina (due to natural aging!) even back in 2015/2016.”
But Biden’s 4 years in office showed that he did have ENOUGH stamina. Obama had a lot more stamina, arguably 20x more stamina, but he didn’t use that stamina to accomplish in 8 years what Biden did in 4. He used that stamina to give in to the right, instead of fighting hard. Biden had much less stamina and used it to figure out how to get good things done.
Stamina and “superior cognitive fitness” is meaningless if it isn’t used wisely. Biden uses his stamina and his wisdom to get a lot more things done that I like far better than what Obama got done with his top notch cognitive ability and stamina.
I agree that if you hate what happened the last 4 years, blame Biden. But if you LIKE what happened or thought it put America back on the right track (which is what the progressives I trust happen to believe), then give credit to the old guy whose ‘lack of stamina’ did not prevent him from overseeing a very able administration.
I have no idea why anyone thinks having a nominee who is going to return this country to the “energy” of the Obama years is so appealing.
I value the WISDOM and experience of Biden over the energy and stamina of Obama. And I suspect that the replacement nominee will run the country more like Obama than Biden. If other people value energy over wisdom and institutional knowledge, that’s their prerogative, but if that replacement candidate doesn’t win, or wins but does not significantly advance the progressive agenda that Biden started, then I told you so.
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Orwellian response.
I think people can read my comment and your response and decide for themselves who is civil and who isn’t.
Far too often these comments sound like those of an abuser, gaslighting the person they are abusing and telling them “you made me respond uncivilly, it’s all your fault I had no choice but to uncivil to you.”
I don’t understand why these kinds of comments are allowed.
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I wanted Biden to announce that he’d serve one term during his first address to a joint session of Congress. Once I realized that it warn’t gonna happen (sorry—I’m reading Huck Finn), I fell prey to far too much magical thinking and Pollyannish ideation. My hunch is that Biden himself genuinely believes and continues to believe that he’s fully up to the job—a belief with which I don’t disagree, so long as we modify ”fully” to “adequately.” Far more terrifying to me right now is the president’s apparent insouciance about the damage that the debate has done. It’s as though he believes that no matter how much he misspeaks and projects a frail mien, the American people are certain to wake up and choose him over a proven incompetent no-nothing autocrat. If Dr. Biden, Ted Kaufman, and the rest of the brain trust haven’t yet done their all to disabuse him of this delusion, shame on them.
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Those are good points. My own thinking is that Biden intended to serve only one term and still prefers to serve only one term. He would have no problem stepping aside if he believed someone else had a better chance of beating Trump. One can argue Biden isn’t right about that, but I suspect when he decided to run for re-election he consulted with progressives like Bernie Sanders who were concerned about Trump winning and thought Biden’s strong record spoke for itself, as it historically has. They weren’t counting on the NYT destroying Biden the way they destroyed HRC/Dukakis/Gore/Kerry. Perhaps they should have realized this from the NYT’s flood the zone “Afghanistan withdrawal is an utter and complete failure” coverage — similarly some 200 or so articles over the course of a month with the same message – it was a complete and utter disaster, and the “utter failure” was entirely due to Biden’s mismanagement and that is not “debatable” the way Trump’s fitness is “debatable” and whether the right wing Supreme Court’s Immunity decision is a brilliant win for our country or a problem is “debatable”.
Bad news about Democrats demonstrates how unfit they are to be president is never reported as “debatable” in the NYT. Bad news for Republicans is always presented as partisan opinion – only partisans say it’s bad, other people say it’s really good!, which is why low-interest independent voters assume that what Republicans are doing isn’t so bad. Even the NYT says it’s “debatable” whether it’s a problem or a wonderful thing that the Supreme Court gave Trump immunity. And even the NYT says Biden’s unfitness for office is an irrefutable truth.
I only care about having a Democrat win, not who the Democrat is.
Rebecca Solnit posted a twitter feed by an insightful climate change activist that explains exactly how the media destroys Dems – and they are going to destroy whoever replaces Biden.
Rebecca Solnit also wrote this in the Guardian yesterdaya:
“Although the Biden administration seems to have run extremely well for three and a half years, with a strong cabinet, few scandals and little turnover, a thriving economy and some major legislative accomplishments, the narrative the punditocracy has created suggest we should ignore this record and decide on the basis of the 90-minute debate and reference to newly surfaced swarms of anonymous sources that Biden is incompetent. Quite a lot of them have been running magical-realism fantasy-football scenarios in which it is fun and easy to swap in your favorite substitute candidate. The reality is that it is hard and quite likely to be a terrible mess. Nevertheless, this pretense is supposed to mean that telling a presidential candidate in mid-campaign to get lost is fine.
The main argument against Biden is not that he can’t govern – that would be hard to make given that he seems to have done so for the past years – but that he can’t win the election. But candidates do not win elections by themselves. Elections are won, to state the obvious, by how the electorate turns out and votes. The electorate votes based on how they understand the situation and evaluate the candidates. That is, of course, in large part shaped by the media, as Hannah-Jones points out, and the media is right now campaigning hard for a Democratic party loss. The other term for that is a Republican victory. Few things have terrified and horrified me the way this does.”
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“He would have no problem stepping aside if he believed someone else had a better chance of beating Trump.”
Curious as to why you believe that.
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Because making shit up as it suits one’s purpose.
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“I suspect when he decided to run for re-election he consulted with progressives like Bernie Sanders who were concerned about Trump winning and thought Biden’s strong record spoke for itself”
Why do you think Biden consulted Sanders on his decision to run again?
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Apparently “making up sh*t” is only allowed when you are saying nasty things about a Democrat?
Right, I forgot that it’s been confirmed that Biden values the trappings of presidency so much that he’d never give that up. And it’s been confirmed that Fani Willis committed perjury.
But I’m the one making things up?
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“Why do you think Biden consulted Sanders on his decision to run again?”
Because Bernie endorsed Biden IMMEDIATELY after he announced. When more moderate Dems were wavering.
Because Bernie (and AOC) gave two of the earliest endorsements for his re-election while a lot of the more prominent “moderate” Dems held back, waiting to see if someone better would appear.
It’s interesting to see this MSNBC article from when Bernie endorsed Biden right after Biden announced he was running:
“Biden developed a close rapport with Sanders and made what appeared to be a substantial effort to get his input on policy ideas through a unity task force in 2020. The president surprised progressives with his positions on social spending, climate policy, manufacturing and labor. From this perspective, Biden has mollified the left wing of the party by building some trust and taking up some of its causes………..
What’s striking is that Sanders not only endorsed Biden, but seemed cool on the prospect of other challengers taking him on. “People will do what they want to do,” Sanders said of other potential primary challenges, according to The Associated Press. “I think Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee. And my job, and I think the progressive movement’s job, is to make certain that he stands up and fights for the working class of this country and does not take anything for granted.”
Some on the left have expressed disappointment that Sanders endorsed Biden THE DAY OF HIS ANNOUNCEMENT…..”
Do you really believe Bernie heard the news and didn’t even have to take a few days to consider whether he wanted to endorse Biden’s re-election? When there was absolutely no pressure on any Democrat – especially a progressive – to rush to endorse Biden’s re-election?
Bob, what makes you so sure that Bernie wasn’t consulted? Because if that wasn’t the case – if Bernie wasn’t consulted or if he was “told early” and not consulted he tried to tell Biden it was a bad idea but decided he would definitely endorse him immediately – his reaction actually makes little sense. He could have waited a bit to endorse, like all the other prominent Dems did.
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What Movie Version Of Deep Throat Said To Reporter Bob Woodward.
”The people behind all of this were FRIGHTENED of Muskie and that’s what got him destroyed. They WANTED to run against McGovern. Look who they’re running against. They bugged offices, they followed people, planted false press leaks, passed fake letters… they canceled Democratic campaign rallies, they investigated Democratic private lives, they planted spies, they stole documents… and now don’t tell me that all of this was the work of one Donald Segretti.”
All The President’s Men 1976.
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It’s unfortunate that Biden did nothing to get Kamala Harris out there more during his term so that he didn’t have to run again. The Dems could have been working on some new people from the beginning. But they always play the safe game.
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The safe game is a lousy one. Gore. Kerry. Hillary Clinton. Democrats win if the opposition is truly horrible OR they are offering something new like Barack Obama.
Again, there is a core Democratic vote. It will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what. But to win, Democrats have to have, in addition to that, someone who will galvanize the enormous numbers of Democrats and Independents who simply decide to sit elections out.
Dems win when the candidate excites not just the dependable Democratic crowd but the undependable Democrats too–the young people, independents, minority voters who are sick of people who don’t represent them.
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Barack Obama won because the liberal media treated him differently than it treated Dukakis/Gore/HRC/Kerry. I don’t know what playing a safe game means, or what not playing a safe game means. But Biden won in 2020 because the media treated him like they treated Obama in 2008, instead of like those Dems above. The media in 2024 is treating Biden the way they usually treat Dems.
Obama made the same “unforced errors” that those other Dems made. The right wing made a huge deal of them to its audience. But the NYT made Obama’s unforced errors a one or two day story, instead of flooding the zone with 200 stories about how this error made Obama extremely untrustworthy and Americans everywhere agree that this error raises graves concerns in their minds about Obama’s fitness to be president.
Obama’s unforced errors are barely recalled because the so-called liberal media’s reaction was the same as the liberal media’s reaction to the Supreme Court’s Immunity decision. “Partisans on the left are criticizing Obama for doing this, but other folks agree that this error is no big deal and look over here at all these great things Obama is doing that we will be reporting on instead of telling you that you should have grave doubts and concerns because of Obama’s unforced error. ” That was the tone of the NYT news coverage of the right wing Supreme Court’s most damaging decisions (the op ed page had criticism, but that criticism supported the NYT news narrative that criticism of the Supreme Court was simply partisan.) That’s how the NYT reports on Republicans – criticism of them is partisan – and they did that with Obama. But usually they give Democrats the treatment they gave Dukakis, HRC, Gore, Kerry, Biden (but not in 2020)
The NYT, setting the tone for the so-called liberal media, could have run endless stories about how the Obama campaign screwed up their response to the very legitimate question of whether he was actually born in the US. Why didn’t they come out immediately with a copy of the actual, full birth certificate? No wonder voters have doubts; Obama offered that odd version that “raises questions” and anonymous sources close to the campaign say they tried to get him to release the full original but the campaign seemed to be hiding something. And Obama should have disowned Jeremiah Wright years ago, because Americans now have very grave concerns and doubts about a candidate whose religious guide is a man who hates America so much. Sources close to the campaign say that they warned Obama to sever ties a long time ago, and it’s a grave concern that Obama didn’t listen to those people. Remember how Obama showed his extreme contempt for regular American voters who cling to their guns and religion? Obama, why do you have so much contempt for those voters? What was your motivation to insult them so much? How can they believe you when you say you don’t feel contempt for them now, when you clearly showed contempt for them when you made that comment. Obama, the NYT has reported that anonymous folks close to the campaign are very concerned that you showed such contempt for voters who are religious. Why do you have such contempt for them? The NYT reports that anonymous people close to the campaign warned you that you should break ties with Rev. Wright, but you refused. Is that because you hate America too? How can voters with strong doubts about your loyalty to America believe you now, when you showed such contempt to religious voters who don’t worship at the church of a man who hates America?
Obama didn’t do something special – the media did. It treated Obama the way it treats Republicans, instead of blowing up his “unforced errors” into 200 stories calling in question his fitness to be a candidate, as they did with the Dems you mentioned.
My worry is that they will just do that with the new nominee. And whether that happens is completely out of that new nominee’s hands. There is no “perfect reply” that stops it.
I don’t think Biden’s campaign in 2020 was particularly good but he benefited because he was treated by the tone-setting NYT as if he was a Republican, not a Democrat. If they treat the new nominee as if he/she is a Republican, they have a good shot of winning, but that’s completely out of their control. And I’m not holding my breath.
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Playing the safe game is choosing Hillary Clinton over Sanders. Playing the safe game is choosing Biden over Sanders. Playing the safe game is choosing these centrists who oppose Medicare for All over Progressives who support it.
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Bob, who is it you are talking to when you accuse “Democrats” of playing it safe? The Black voters in southern states who came out strongly for Clinton over Sanders and came out strongly for Biden over Sanders?
We now know those “play it safe” voters picked the winning candidate in 2020 and the losing candidate in 2016.
Bernie might have won or he might have lost, but that would depend on what happened to him after he was the nominee. Would he get “Gore’d”, “Kerry’d” “Dukakis’d”? Would he get the Biden treatment of 2020 or the Biden treatment of 2024?
What makes you so positive that a candidate who can’t win the primary can win the general election?
I feel as if I am not expressing a view that you, yourself have expressed. You have posted here a number of times that you think Kamala Harris would have a hard time being elected despite the polls showing that she has the best chance of getting elected. You don’t put a lot of strength in polls taken before that person is actually the nominee, right? Yet you are positive Bernie would have won in 2016.
I am positive Bernie would have won in 2016 if the so-called liberal media gave him the Obama treatment, and Bernie would have lost in 2016 if the media ganged up on him as soon as he made his first “unforced error”, the way they did with all the other Dems except with Obama and in 2020.
These are from the twitter comments by David Roberts:
“As @whstancil has been trying to tell you people (good god how he tries), the information environment is thoroughly corrupted.
@whstancil For some reason, left pundits are pathologically averse to acknowledging that fact. And so they grasp at these straws — if we could just get rid of Biden, we could have a reasonable conversation! Yeah, sure. You absurd summer children.
The idea that the media — with these soulless careerist court gossips in charge — will allow it is just fantasy.”
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The Democratic National Committee.
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Nate Silver also thinks that Biden doesn’t have much of a chance. He put the possibility of his winning at about 28 percent. Silver is the guy who correctly picked the outcome in the presidential race for 49 of 50 states one year and 50 of 50 states the year following and one of the few who predicted Trump’s win in 2016. That’s because he bases his conclusions on evidence rather than on wish fulfilment over cocktails.
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I have shared, above, a number of times over why I have come to the conclusion that Harris is a better choice than Biden for the coming election. I’m not going to bother repeating the argument. You can go read it yourself.
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Biden WON in 2020! The evidence that Bernie would have won in 2016 and 2020 is exactly as strong as this evidence:
Miami Herald July 3, 2024
“Former first lady Michelle Obama is the only Democrat to “definitively” defeat former President Donald Trump in a hypothetical general election match-up, according to a new poll. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, 50% of respondents said they would vote for Michelle Obama if she were running against Trump, while 39% said they would vote for the former president.”
I don’t put a lot of stock in polls of hypothetical matchups. That’s why the “Bernie would have won, we have proof” seems so lame. I don’t really think it’s a given that Michelle Obama is the only Dem who can beat Trump, with Kamala polling at 42% and Newsom at 39% and Whitmer at 36%.
I think any of those folks can beat Trump if they are treated like Obama was, and they will all lose if the NYT decides that it is fair game to treat them like Gore/Dukakis/Kerry/HRC and Biden 2024.
Whether Bernie could have won or lost a national election isn’t about a poll about a hypothetical match-up where the candidate has not yet been slimed by the right wing and mainstream media amplifying false narratives.
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@ NYC public school parent–“People have been saying Biden is too old to be president since 2020, yet he’s been very successful, but Biden is too old to be president.”
Touché galore.
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I know, right? I feel like I am in an Orwellian novel! Illogical nonsense is treated as if it is insightful commentary that must be heard!
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On another note:
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I still think what happened to President Biden on that stage was engineered by Traitor Trump and/or his supporters, specifically The Heritage Foundation and their loyalist MAGA Chrisitan Nationalists, who are fascists, not Christians.
Biden is 81.
I’m 79. As a child I struggled with asthma & bad allergies, and other life-threatening health challenges. My doctor got it under control by the time I was an adolescent and kept it that way.
By the time I graduated from high school, I hadn’t had an asthma attack for years and had no problem joining the US Marines.
There are triggers that can set of the allergies leading to an asthma attack. Some of those triggers are odorless. I was exposed to one of those orderless triggers in my classroom when I was still teaching. I’ve written about what I had to do so I could keep teaching. A mask (I only used when I was alone in the room). HEPA filters in every corner running all the time when I was in the room. I always carried antihistamines in a pocket, I could slip under my tongue to dissolve.
When Traitor Trump start lying that Biden would be using drugs to enhance his performance before the debate, I suspected it would be the traitor who would be on drugs that would do that. It’s a safe assumption that when the traitor accuses someone else of something, he’s the one doing it.
And the traitor may have known ahead of time what was planned to trigger President Biden’s allergies and asthma, maybe turning that lie into a half lie.
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I honor what Joe Biden is done. He has done a spectacular job. Thank you, Mr. President.
I hope to see him or Kamala Harris sworn in on January 20th. Nothing matters next to the imperative that Trump be defeated at the polls in November. Harris would be awesome in the job, should it become necessary for her to take it on.
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Michelle Obama is – according to the latest latest Reuters/Ipsos poll — the ONLY Democrat who can beat Trump. Everyone who trusts hypothetical match ups like Bernie-Trump in 2016 and Bernie-Trump in 2020 and “Any candidate but Bernie”-Trump in 2024 should demand Michelle Obama be the nominee.
Rebecca Solnit in The Guardian yesterday:
“I am not usually one to offer diagnoses of people I’ve never met, but it does seem like the pundit class of the American media is suffering from severe memory loss. Because they’re doing exactly what they did in the 2016 presidential race – providing wildly asymmetrical and inflammatory coverage of the one candidate running against Donald J Trump.
They have become a stampeding herd producing an avalanche of stories suggesting Biden is unfit, will lose and should go away, at a point in the campaign in which replacing him would likely be somewhere between extremely difficult and utterly catastrophic. They do this while ignoring something every scholar and critic of journalism knows well and every journalist should. As Nikole Hannah-Jones put it: “As media we consistently proclaim that we are just reporting the news when in fact we are driving it. What we cover, how we cover it, determines often what Americans think is important and how they perceive these issues yet we keep pretending it’s not so.” They are not reporting that he is a loser; they are making him one”
This quote my Nikole Hannah-Jones nails it:
““As media we consistently proclaim that we are just reporting the news when in fact we are driving it. What we cover, how we cover it, determines often what Americans think is important and how they perceive these issues yet we keep pretending it’s not so.”
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^^More from that poll:
The majority (63%) of white Americans say Biden should drop out, but just 41% say the same about Trump. Conversely, and the majority (67%) of Black Americans say Trump should drop out, but just 31% say Biden should drop out. Meanwhile, about half of Hispanic Americans say Trump or Biden should drop out (51% and 49%, respectively).
I guess we know whose voice is important to the NYT and whose is not. Most of those white voters are not Dems.
The Ipsos poll said 32% of Democrats want Biden to drop out.
If I only read the NYT, I would assume that the 68% of Dems who don’t want Biden to drop out do not exist, since they don’t exist to NYT journalists. Their voices are completely missing.
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I favor nominating Kamala Harris for president, with her convincing Joe Biden to become her white house chief of staff……It is a very important position for which Biden would better qualified than almost anyone.
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Same. Totally with you, Joe.
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But electing Joe Biden IS like electing Kamala.
I don’t believe there is a person in America who would love to see Kamala Harris as president but says they absolutely won’t vote for Biden-Harris because Biden’s too old.
The Ipsos poll showed that 68% of Democrats want to keep Biden on the ticket. And yet people think that they won’t be angry when some small arrogant group of DNC elitists force him out?
My young adult kid just now got back to hanging out with a young adult friend and told me that “they sounded just like you” when they talked about the debate and what the NYT was doing. This young adult thought Trump looked as bad if not worse than Biden, and could not believe the NYT was being so hateful to Biden and trying to force him out. (Similar to what my midwest friend – much, much older – said to me last week.) Because that’s what it looks like to the 68% of Democrats who don’t think Biden should step down just because the NYT says so.
This talk is already turning people off of the so-called liberal media, and if Biden steps aside, it will just look like those elites and the DNC forced him out. Maybe they would vote but they might be angry enough at “the DNC” that we have a repeat of the Bernie Bros fiasco of 2016. Except this time their feelings that the DNC is installing their own pick would be more true.
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The chief-of-staff has to be totally on top of everything and get the staff to let the president know the important things. Biden would be a terrible choice. Biden clearly has a chief of staff who is arguably even more superb than Leo McGarry, since his administration has been so good and most people seem to think it has nothing to do with Biden. We need another 4 years of that. In fact, I hope that if Biden is re-elected and then steps down early as I expect, that Kamala keeps the chief of staff who seems to know how to get things done.
Biden isn’t desperate to stay in the White House. He is staying on because he still believes he’s the best chance of beating Trump. Whether that is true no longer depends on him – it depends on whether he keeps getting Gore’d/Dukakis’d/Kerry’d in the NYT. If they aren’t going to stop, then he should step down and then the chances that the Dems lose with the other guy are also in the hands of the so-called liberal media, and they are ALREADY pushing the right wing meme that Kamala Harris can’t be trusted because she didn’t speak up even though she knew that the dangerous, cognitively impaired, dementia-ridden Joe Biden was answering the phone at 3am.
How can you vote for Kamala when she remained silent and let a senile old guy run the country? Was she LYING? Did she put her own political career over the well-being of the country? She knew Biden has been unfit for “many months” (just like all the folks who keep telling us “I told you do”) and she didn’t do her patriotic duty.
Kamala is going to be viewed as even less trustworthy than HRC by the time the NYT is done with her. HRC just had emails. Kamala ALREADY abused the trust of the entire nation and put this nation in great jeopardy. Look at all the folks who have told us since last October (as they keep reminding us here) how Biden is much too old and Kamala said nothing.
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Yes, you are right about this. Chief of Staff would be the absolutely wrong job for Biden. Senior Advisor.
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The stuff about Kamala, no, you are not right about that part. There is an obvious rejoinder to this, and jsrtheta stated it above: loyalty and affection, to which I would add, knowledge that the team as a whole, including Biden, was functioning well. So far.
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When a President leaves office, he steps away. Period. The next President is in charge.
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I like the idea of changing that. Biden’s many decades of experience are invaluable. He would be superb in an advisory role to a new president. There is nothing to prevent such an appointment. Many of our native forefathers did and still do today have a council of elders who advise the chief. This is an extremely good idea that we should borrow, as some of the Iroquois Articles of Confederation were borrowed for our Articles and for our Constitution.
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The opening 4 1/2 minutes of the very first episode of The West Wing (a series that had input from a number of former high level White House staffers) is a brilliant portrayal of who really does the hardest work of running an administration, even when the president,Jeb Bartlet, is cognitively near his peak.
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More more important stuff, courtesy of Rebecca Solnit’s facebook page:
Longtime political scientist Norman Orenstein:
“Let me be clear: I don’t criticize our media for intense coverage of the health of the president and whether he can fill another term or stay on the ticket. Those are big stories. They are not the only stories. The fact that he is the incumbent does not excuse the inattention to the other major party candidate who was a former president, much less the dereliction of duty that comes with treating his abnormal behavior as normal. 1/
Of course, Biden’s disastrous debate performance was the biggest news. But Trump’s serial lies was also really big, and brushed aside. The revelations from Jeffrey Epstein’s investigation, including the multiple trips Trump took with him, largely ignored. Far worse is what we know will be the consequences of another Trump presidency. 2/
He completely ignored the question in the debate about deporting migrants. It is a clear responsibility of a free press to report on this, meaning the plans to put 12 million people in the United States in detention camps, people that he has called animals. His closest advisor and press secretary are tied directly to Project 2025. It was written in intimate connection withTrump‘s principaladvisors. That he lies openly about whether he knows anything about it no excuse for our press, largely ignoring it. 3/
If Joe Biden has moments where he falters, there is a stellar team of top advisors and staff to keep this from becoming a policy catastrophe. As Liz Cheney has said, even if you don’t like Biden’s policies, the country regularly survives, presidents, whose policies and don’t like. 4/
But as she says courageously and eloquently, we cannot survive the destruction of democracy and fundamental freedoms, which is openly in the game plan of Donald Trump. Trump talks about creating military tribunals to punish his enemies in an administration built around retribution. It is dereliction of journalistic responsibility beyond imagining that this gets shrugged off and not covered as if it were a four alarm fire. 5/
The shocking decisions of the court, especially Chevron and immunity, have not been covered as front page above the full stories or as a runaway Court that will turn governance upside down. Much less Supreme Court that will end up with a 72 right wing extremist margin if Trump is elected, probably including replacing Thomas and Alito with justices at least as extreme and much younger. 6/
Covering the deathwatch around whether Biden survives as a candidate, while ignoring the fact that this is truly an existential election, less about Biden and Trump, and more about whether our democracy survives , is simply not what mainstream press, much less everybody else, should make as their singular focal point. Don’t ignore it but please, please get a grip and make your focus what really matters. End
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I opened the New York Times today to see five articles aimed at pushing Biden out. Where is the balance?
https://search.app/AUhSnZFvjjTHhUGm6
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Well, that’s terrible. Where is the editorial piece asking Trump to step aside in favor of a human being?
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Biden said NO. Many days ago. But the NYT will not relent until Biden says yes.
FYI, lots of people say Clarence Thomas should step down. They say Alito should step down. They say Trump should step down.
All of them said NO, and the story was OVER. The NYT spent one or two days with articles critical of Clarence Thomas, but HE SAID NO. Biden also said no, but the NYT is journalist-raping Biden the way they journalist-rape all Democrats (except Obama). NO IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
NO is only an acceptable answer for Republicans. Justice Thomas will you step down? Nope? We are now moving on to writing another 10 stories a day about how Biden won’t step down.
HE SAID NO.
Why is this still a story but Trump refusing to step down, Clarence Thomas and Alito refusing to step down, Matt Gaetz refusing to step down ceases to be news at all as soon as they say no?
The NYT still isn’t reporting that 68% of Democrats don’t want Biden to step down. But that doesn’t matter to the NYT because the majority of WHITE Americans (most of them Republicans) want Biden out. Therefore, the NYT will not accept Biden’s “No” answer and will keep assaulting him multiple times a day until he gives in.
The NYT is rotten to the bone. There haven’t changed one bit since they were nice to Hitler and made it much easier for him to kill so many more Jews than he would have if he had been stopped earlier.
The NYT has told non-white voters their preferences don’t count. White voters – mostly Republican – are good with the Supreme Court so the NYT news stories are fawning articles about how their most radical decisions are normal, and only partisan Dems object. Sure it helps Trump, but really it helps all presidents and the Supreme Court was just using a different interpretation of the Constitution as happens all the time.
Democrats may not say no to the assaulting reporters and editors at the NYT.
Republicans just have to say no once, and the NYT immediately moves on to writing another 50 stories critical of Dems.
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I am surprised no one is talking about Bernie Sanders appearing on Face the Nation yesterday and apparently he isn’t part of the cool club of CONSERVATIVE Democrat politicians demanding Biden step down.
(I hope this stops the talk that Bernie secretly opposed Biden but does things just for some perceived political gain).
“In an interview with Robert Costa of CBS’ Face the Nation today, Costa asked Senator Sanders about the movements orchestrated in the Senate by conservative Democrat Senator Mark Warner to push POTUS aside in the wake of the debate performance brouhaha and whether he would participate. Senator Sanders replied:
“No. Look, Mark is a friend of mine, I like Mark, is one of the more conservative members of the Democratic Caucus. No, I have not been invited. No, I will not attend…Biden had a terrible debate performance. I think he’s done better since..But I think most importantly, now, this is not a beauty contest, it’s not a Grammy Award contest. It is a contest of who stands with the vast majority of the people in this country, the elderly, the children, working class, the poor. And that candidate is obviously Joe Biden.”
(from DailyKos)
The NYT presents reality as “America demands Biden step down, Democrat politicians want Biden gone, too”, but only in their fantasy world of talking only to “real” Americans — white Trump voters and their conservative Beltway sources, both Republican and Dem.
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More anecdotal evidence of the existence of the 68% of Dem voters ignored by the NYT in an excellent post by Jess Piper (former high school literature teacher) in the blog The View from Rural Missouri:
https://jesspiper.substack.com/p/the-loudest-pundits-dont-talk-to
“The loudest Pundits don’t talk to voters. I do.”
“What you’ll hear me say is not at all what the pundits are saying about Biden after the disastrous debate. It is the opposite of the narrative being furiously flung at us each day by everyone from MSNBC to CNN to the New York Times to the nightly news to opinion pieces across the country.”…….
“The biggest takeaway from the folks outside DC is they are angry that the “same shit” that happened in 2016 is rearing its head again. Several stated they are tired of the line “The DNC chose Biden.” They reminded me that primary voters picked him…Black voters picked him. They are sick of repeating it.
These voters and activists did not waver when they repeated over and over again that they have no hesitation in voting for Biden in November.
From that group of over 600 suburban folks to a group of about 20 rural Dems…
You know I am rural and I often speak in rural spaces. Most of these spaces are older and White. When I listen to voters in these spaces, they have zero doubt about who their candidate is…even after the debate. Do they doubt that it was an awful showing? They do not. They watched it with their own eyes. Do they wish Biden performed better? Seemed younger? Spoke more clearly and concisely? Yes. Will they still vote for him? Also yes.
Not one rural person I’ve spoken with wants to remove Biden from the ballot in favor of another candidate. They believe in the administration and they are fearful of another Trump presidency. They think Biden can beat Trump.
This is what rural voters have told me: Biden has been good for ordinary people. He’s worked for public schools and the LGBTQ community and student loan forgiveness and infrastructure and rural broadband. They’ve seen highway projects funded. They remember that Biden curbed COVID deaths and consistently pushes for union jobs. They know he will not sign away reproductive rights.
Listen, I am not paid by the DNC and I don’t earn a dime from my state party. I am a Democrat because the party aligns with most of my views, but I am not a party first person…I am a country first person. I can see with my own eyes what the Republicans are about and I already know what a Trump presidency will bring. We all know what it will mean.
I will never forget the maxim: Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line. I know many of us are not in love, but can we come together to beat a certain autocrat? To overcome the fascism and Christian nationalism creeping in?
I was as scared as any of us after the debate. I had a feeling of doom bearing down on me. After talking to so many voters since, even after reading so many terribly divisive pieces, I feel more calm. The voters I’ve listened to are not doing what the pundits claim they are doing. They have said that replacing Biden on the ticket will almost certainly divide the party. They have faith in the Biden administration. They have faith in his VP.
I am tired of pundits creating a narrative that I don’t see in real life. I don’t know why they do it? For clout? For clicks?
I hate that each of us is exposed to the fear every single day. I hate that many in the media are driving a wedge between Democrats with this incessant message of doom and gloom and the need for a new nominee.
I have no crystal ball, but I do have neighbors and friends and I know organizers across the country. I hope we can make it through this with a nominee intact and a win in November. I hope we can listen to our neighbors and mute the pundit-class.
Our country can’t manage another Trump presidency.”
Reading Jess Piper’s piece makes me wish Biden would do what I hoped.
Announce that he is running again AND he is freeing up all the convention delegates to vote for a different candidate if they want. And then have the delegates elected by primary voters give Biden a sweeping victory at the convention.
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my whole story…..
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Dear ye of little faith:
“Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York said she spoke with Biden “extensively” over the weekend and has full confidence in him. “He has made abundantly clear that he is not leaving the race,” she said. “I support him and I am focused on making sure we win in November.”
Posted in the NYT within the hour, but buried by the onslaught of much more prominently displayed NYT stories the amplify the urgency of the cognitively damaged Biden leaving the race so the dangerous possibility that a demented Biden is re-elected does not ruin this country. Everyone that matters (to NYT reporters) knows Biden needs to go.
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I’ll regret asking this, but just out of curiosity, what is this supposed to refute?
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FYI Trump has been in hiding for the last 10 days and the NYT has a deplorable lack of curiosity about what’s going on with that.
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He’s shortly going to come out of hiding with a huge ad spend.
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flerp!, turns out that according to the new and of course very important NYT tracker on how many Dem politicians are calling for Biden to step down (updated July 8, 5pm), your estimate of “10” was only 40% too high. The answer is 6. Surely that justifies the daily onslaught of stories, because
6 > 277 when those 6 are “very important and serious Dems” who amplify the NYT narrative.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/biden-drop-out-democrats.html
It’s actually unbelievable that the NYT even has that tracker. Shameful.
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Like you, NYCPSP, I’m tired of the media pile-on.
I feel that they are trying to keep a hot story alive to draw more readers and viewers.
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I understand that feeling, but at the same time in the past day or two we have had Senators meeting to discuss whether to support him or not, and members of Congress publicly stating that Biden should step down. This story is real and developing and is not merely a media fantasy. It has to resolve, and that won’t happen by everyone simultaneously agreeing to stop talking about it.
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Here are the facts. Biden ran in the primaries. Obviously he won every primary and will arrive at the Convention with the vast majority of delegates. He will be nominated and he will be the Democratic nominee. Biden said unequivocally that he is not stepping aside.
I don’t know the point of continuing to question whether he should be the nominee. Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee. Unless God Almighty calls him to heaven before the Convention.
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The facts in your first paragraph are all true.
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I do think that there is a point at which Biden would step aside, regardless of what he’s said so far. So it’s not pointless to wonder whether he will. It would take major defections from prominent Dems. That still could happen. At some point it may be clear that that won’t happen. I don’t think we’ve reached that point yet.
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Will the issue resolve ONLY if the media keeps talking about it?
There isn’t any “news”? It is just constant speculation where the voices of those who want Biden to step down are amplified and exaggerated, and the voices of those who want to move on because Biden made his decision are minimized.
68% of Democrats want Biden to remain on the ticket. And 99% of the voices amplified by the NYT want him to step aside for “person to be named later” who won’t be elected by the voters.
If you saw Bernie Sanders’s appearance on Face the Nation, you will see that SOME Senators met to discuss it but it certainly was not clear how many. Three? 30?
Lots of politicians wanted Clarence Thomas to step down, but as soon as Clarence Thomas said NO, the NYT said it was no longer a story and it is no longer newsworthy. It didn’t matter that Senators were talking amongst themselves about how they sure wish Clarence would step down – the NYT coverage stopped at the answer NO. You don’t think there are people in Washington right now who want Clarence Thomas to step down? Many have said it publicly.
Biden gave his answer. Bernie and AOC know it. The fact that some small percentage of very conservative WHITE Democrat politicians want to thwart the will of Democrat voters and get Biden of the ticket should have been a non-story once Biden said no.
If Biden says yes he will step down tomorrow or next week or in a month, THEN it’s a story again.
If you don’t see the unequal coverage, then you seem to be willfully blind. It’s not just me. It’s Norman Ornstein and almost every respected media critic in the country.
There is a difference between covering news as news while minimizing the impact of it so that it is a 1 or 2 day story – which is the way the NYT reported the Supreme Court’s recent norm-breaking decisions and they way they have all but ignored Project 2025 – and flooding the zone with negative stories about a Democrat whose only purpose is constantly repeating the same refrain until it is ingrained in every voter’s mind: “Biden is unfit to be president”.
If people who normally aren’t that invested in politics who live outside of the Washington beltway are getting tired of this non-story, then why is the NYT STILL presenting this non-story as the one issue that is supposedly of the most vital concern to Americans?
Not every Democrat lives in DC and bends the ear of arrogant NYT reporters.
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No, there is news. There is reporting on Dem Senators and Representatives meeting to debate this question. There is news that a growing list of those politicians who are taking positions that Biden should step aside. This is not a media fantasy. It is not mere speculation.
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It is uninformed speculation that this is fantasy. But the whole thing is moot. Whoever is on the ballot in November to represent Democrats must defeat Trump. That’s the thing that really, really, really matters.
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Thank you, Diane.
I wrote a long post being held up in moderation, but you expressed it far more succinctly than I did.
I don’t get flerp!’s reply above, which seems to be saying that EVEN THOUGH BIDEN HAS SAID NO numerous times, as long as some journalist says that Biden “might” eventually say yes, then it is fair game to run multiple stories a day that all have the same narrative – Biden is unfit to be president and people who the NYT believes are important want him to resign.
“I do think that there is a point at which Biden would step aside, regardless of what he’s said so far.”
flerp! is describing what sounds like what date rapists say. “I think there is a point where they might say yes, so it’s fine for me to keep pressuring them despite the fact they said NO to me 10 times already.”
“Biden might change his mind.” “My date might change their mind.”
If a journalist believed that, they would step back and wait to see if the person changes their mind. Invoking the POSSIBILITY that the person might change their mind as an excuse to ramp up the pressure on them to change their mind when they have told you NO multiple times is unconscionable. It’s not “news”. It’s using their power to achieve an outcome they want because they don’t have confidence that they would get what they want without using their power to pressure that person after that person has said NO loud and clear multiple times.
Years ago, it was okay to say “no doesn’t really mean no”
College students are now taught that no means no. The first time. The person may, in the future, change their mind, but that doesn’t give you license to remain there pressuring them to say yes. The fact that you are still there pressuring them to say yes after they told you no over and over is because you don’t believe they will change their mind unless you pressure them to change their mind. People may get away with this, but it is wrong. NYT journalists can get away with this, but please don’t make some kind of excuse for it and turn it into something respectable. It’s not.
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There are a growing number of Senators the Congressmen who are behind Biden.
There have ALWAYS been a huge majority of Democrat voters who are behind Biden.
If the NYT was running 10 stories a day about what THEY wanted and maybe one story a week about what a couple conservative Dem politicians wanted, do you think the pressure on Biden to resign would be the same?
There are meetings every day between people who want Biden to stay. IT ISN’T NEWS. Although I do get that the NYT believes that if white politicians want something, their opinions are more newsworthy than Black politicians.
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The huge majority of congressmen who are behind Biden has been shrinking.
This is it complicated. I’m not saying anything controversial. It’s just that you don’t like hearing from it. I get that! None of this is pleasant.
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is not complicated
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I have this to say to the folks who think that this is all some sort of plot by liberal media:
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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flerp!
How many have come out against Biden?
Or are you including whispers and rumors? “Group of Senators”?
I think a lot more have come out publicly supporting Biden than have come out against him.
68% of Dems don’t want Biden to step down.
1% of NYT reporters and op ed writers don’t want Biden to step down.
See the disconnect?
Read Jess Piper. Get out of your elite east coast mindset.
The only reason Trump won in 2016 is because the Republicans ignored all the voices in the media who said he can’t win.
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I’m only talking about people who have gone on record. Not sure how many, maybe ten or so. But a few days ago the number was zero.
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Elizabeth Warren expressed support for Biden today, as reported in the Boston Globe:
WASHINGTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren on Monday stood by President Biden in the wake of his disastrous debate performance, declaring that he’s the party’s nominee and touting his accomplishments.
Asked by The Boston Globe if Biden should stay in the race, the Massachusetts Democrat said, “President Biden is our nominee. He is an excellent president. He works hard on behalf of working families every day.”
In her first public comments since the debate, and with several congressional Democrats calling for Biden to step aside as the Democratic nominee, Warren cited several of Biden’s accomplishments, including capping the price of insulin at $35 for Medicare recipients and providing student loan debt relief for 5 million Americans.
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I have to say this to the people who say that the media has absolutely NO influence on how people think – that is it absolutely impossible.
Fox News.
Denial is a river in Egypt.
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Biden’s advanced age, far beyond his chronological years, is OBVIOUS. It is there for any but the ideologically blinkered to see. Denying obvious realities is what Repugnicans do, is what they have learned to do from their Glorious Leader, Trump, who is literally psychotic and believes his own wish-fulfillment versions of reality. Inability to face reality and consequent gross distortion of it is NOT a way forward for the Democratic Party. There should be no need to add the word reality to principle to create the compound “reality principle.” Principled thought and commentary SHOULD be based in reality, not in fantasies spun out of how one might want the world to be. So, principle ought be enough. But in this alternative facts universe we are living in, it evidently isn’t.
Let’s leave the trading in “alternative facts” to the Trumpanzees, shall we?
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Glad to see that Elizabeth Warren joined the many people who have made it clear that they will support Biden as the nominee.
I find it weird that the 10 mostly no-name Dems (including one or two prominent conservative Dems) who have been getting outsize attention despite their unpopular (except among elite beltway types) position demanding Biden step down have refused to say that they would support Biden if he stays on the ballot. Which tells you that stopping Trump is not their primary concern regardless of what they say. It’s getting rid of a president who is too progressive.
Who do you trust for having America’s best interests at heart? Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and AOC? Or the conservative dems looking for attention and the NYT reporters who don’t think the extreme danger caused by Supreme Court decisions or Project 2025 are newsworthy enough to cover? We have to run 10 stories tomorrow that an 11th no-name congressperson demands Biden step down.
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I’m with Bernie Sanders, AOC and Elizabeth Warren and Biden. If you want to say they are dealing with “alternative facts” because they believe that Biden is fit to be president, then feel free to keep insulting them.
NO ONE has denied that Biden has shown signs of aging. Just like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren and all of us have aged. Have some aged differently than others? Yep. But all of us have declined from our peak. So what? Older folks often gain in wisdom and judgement and Biden still is very strong in those.
Bernie, Warren, AOC, and I all believe Bernie is FIT ENOUGH to continue to do the great job of president that he has been doing. Some conservative Democrat politicians in DC and a bunch of beltway media types disagree strongly.
Pick your side. And quit putting words in people’s mouths since no one has said Biden is not old and not slowing down. Of course he is. That does not mean he is unfit.
It would be easy for Bernie and AOC to join the politicians calling for Biden to step down IF THEY BELIEVED HE SHOULD. Same with Elizabeth Warren.
They aren’t doing it because of some misplaced loyalty to Biden. That is ABSURD!
They are doing it because IN THEIR JUDGEMENT it is the right decision.
I have no idea why you questioning their judgement. Maybe you disagree, but they aren’t the ones dealing in alternative facts.
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And now it’s time for YOUR DAILY APHORISM, from our whiz-kid commentator Bob Shepherd. Bob, what’s the aphorism of the day? Got a nice relevant, timely one for us?
Sure do. How’s this? Time will tell.
Oh yes. That’s good. By the way, Bob, is it commentator or commenter?
Both, actually. But you’ll have to tune in to GEEKY GRAMMAR GUY, starring yours truly, for that one.
Thanks, Bob.
You’re welcome, Bob.
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Let’s leave the trading in “alternative facts” to the Trumpanzees, shall we?
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Ah, good. You are going to stop your denialism then. That’s great.
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Or are we back to AOC and Bernie say that white is black and moons are made of roquefort and wouldn’t possibly endorse almost anyone who is the Democratic candidate and Biden is actually the real-life Captain America and the whole incoherence and difficulty even walking or speaking thing is just an act to put us off his secret identity.
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“wouldn’t possibly endorse almost anyone who is the Democratic candidate”
Twisting reality again?
I believe that Bernie, AOC and Elizabeth Warren “wouldn’t possibly endorse anyone who is the Democrat candidate” IF THAT CANDIDATE IS UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT. Do you actually believe they have no integrity at all? They would be joining the tiny chorus of conservative Dems and the trustworthy fair and balanced journalists at the NYT who are trying to get Biden to step down quick.
All three of them know their public support makes it less likely Biden would step aside. So your complete faith that they would lie to the American people to help Biden remain on the ballot despite knowing Biden is NOT fit to do the job is your own fantasy scenario, not based in fact.
Neither Bernie, AOC nor Elizabeth Warren said that Biden is Captain America. Nor did they say the moon is made of green cheese. They said they had confidence Biden is fit ENOUGH to do the job. As I have said multiple times, but you cannot stop putting words in my mouth. And apparently their mouths as well.
What is wrong with you, Bob, that you are equating my pointing out that 3 Dems known for their integrity are still standing behind Biden into my believing them if they said Biden is Captain America? THAT’S the best argument you got? Belittling me with a falsehood?
Why are you so angry that I trust those 3 more than I trust your armchair diagnoses, and I trust them more than I trust the NYT and the very conservative Dems who have helped the NYT turn a 2 day story into a wholesale flood the zone trashing of Biden’s fitness to be president.
Isn’t that what the NYT should have been doing with Trump, the guy who incited an insurrection and is STILL telling voters lies to make them believe an alternative reality so he can overturn democracy? The guy who is the most unfit person to ever hold that office, bar none.
Please stop putting words in my mouth and try to be civil.
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Re-posting a relevant excerpt from Jess Piper’s blog from my link to it above:
“The voters I’ve listened to are not doing what the pundits claim they are doing. They have said that replacing Biden on the ticket will almost certainly divide the party. They have faith in the Biden administration. They have faith in his VP.
I am tired of pundits creating a narrative that I don’t see in real life. I don’t know why they do it? For clout? For clicks?
I hate that each of us is exposed to the fear every single day. I hate that many in the media are driving a wedge between Democrats with this incessant message of doom and gloom and the need for a new nominee.
I have no crystal ball, but I do have neighbors and friends and I know organizers across the country. I hope we can make it through this with a nominee intact and a win in November. I hope we can listen to our neighbors and mute the pundit-class.”
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Harry Truman invented the role of WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF. No president has abandoned it, and the role remains important enough that Joe Biden would not be insulted to fulfill it. It is difficult to imagine someone more qualified than Joe Biden to know what would need to be done. I wonder if Morning Joe would disagree………
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I sent my longer letter about my year in Vietnam and what I thought about 2024 to the leader weekly here in Festus…..and to the daily Journal in what used to be called Flat River……not sure if either paper will print what I had to say……the Trump fanatics out here will enjoy it…..I was a teacher in DeSoto….my ex students will be proud of me.
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My letter to the editor in Festus Missouri was printed today…..It included my service in vietnam and my running for Missouri legislature and some stuff about going to unicameral voting (this was 1970)——but most important to me was ………nominate Kamala Harris with an expectation that she would ask the very wise, experienced Joe Biden to be the white House Chief of staff, putting together the cabinet————I was told by one of your experts that there were other things better for him to be doing……but my point was ask him to do something meaningful enough to be important…..I tried to reach someone at kmox in st. louis, pointing out that they could be one of almost no one in the media emphasizing this…..do not throw Joe Biden away…….my letter was in the leader today in Festus Missouri….I would like morning Joe at msnbc to talk about it, or someone I met in st. Louis, Katy turr…..I want what we think Joe should be treated with respect…..or talked about
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