Robert Hubbell is an unusually well-informed and perceptive blogger. After the Democrats’ smashing electoral victories this past week, Hubbell was outraged that so many major media downplayed the recent electoral victories and immediately began bashing President Biden. Are they trying to help Trump by ignoring the Democrats’ wins at the polls and Biden’s considerable successes?
He writes:
Most of the time, it does little good to rant about the media. But today, it matters. The media is exhibiting bias and incompetence to a degree that can only be described as complicity in Donald Trump’s second attempt at a coup. Their complicity matters because it confounds and demoralizes Americans who are doing their best to defend democracy against the greatest threat it has faced in 150 years.
On Wednesday, there was one big story: The president’s party “ran the table” in Tuesday’s elections as Republicans doubled down on policies that are antidemocratic, racist, and misogynistic. Many media outlets gave the obligatory nod to the Democrats’ victory in a “Just the fact, Ma’am” fashion. But the media could not wait to pivot to the “Biden is old” and “But, but . . . inflation!” narrative. Journalists have consumed the anti-Biden Cool Aid in copious quantities.
Before I proceed further, let me skip ahead to the solution: You and me. We must become the medium and the message. We can no longer hope for help from major media outlets in speaking the truth about the danger that Donald Trump poses. It is true that there are exceptions, even in the pages of irresponsible major media outlets. But from an editorial policy perspective, the major outlets have decided to push the “Biden is old” and “inflation is out of control” stories to maximize profits—even if it breaks our democracy..
So, it’s you and me, buddy! Or rather, it is all of us. We must be messengers for Biden and Democrats. We must prod and correct media outlets that act recklessly in normalizing Trump while they choose—as an editorial policy—to dismiss, diminish, and mock Joe Biden and his supporters.
Yesterday, a reader sent a note complaining that I was “Preaching to the choir.” Guilty as charged! My response to the reader’s criticism is that we need to make “the choir” so big that we overwhelm the negative narrative spun by the media.
We must write the narrative, not the media. You can help by spreading the words of Heather Cox Richardson, Jessica Craven, Simon Rosenberg, Joyce Vance, Jay Kuo, Judd Legum, Thom Hartmann, Lucian Truscott, Robert Reich, and me (and others) from Substack. (Don’t stop there; there are many other important voices on Substack.) Also, the writers at The Bulwark(Charlie Sykes, Jonathan Last et al.) are by our side every step of the way.
Promote, praise, and support opinion writers like Jennifer Rubin at The Washington Post, Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern at Slate, Ian Millhiser at Vox, Politics Girl on YouTube, Rebecca Solnit at The Guardian, Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo, and Dennis Aftergut and Larry Tribe wherever they choose to write. And if you are a brave soul still competing on Elon Musk’s “hellish landscape,” be a warrior for truth.
So, what has prompted my harsh criticism of major media a day after Democrats’ incredible victories on Tuesday?
Let’s take the New York Times. It featured an “above the fold, column one” headline, “Abortion Rights Fuel Big Democratic Wins, and Hopes for 2024.” Fair enough. But the online version of the Times featured this “discussion” among alleged experts on page one, under the headline: Opinion | ‘He’s 80 Years Old, and That Colors Every Impression Voters Have’: Three Writers Dish on Biden and the G.O.P. Debate.
The three writers “dishing” on Joe Biden were Frank Bruni, Nate Silver (founder of FiveThirtyEight), and Katherine Mangu-Ward. Here is how their “dishing discussion” started (with minor edits for brevity):
Frank Bruni: Should Biden at this late stage consider not pursuing re-election? Would that likely help or hurt the Democrats in winning the White House? And if not Biden, who would give the party the best chance? Nate, let’s start with you.
Nate Silver: . . . I think whether Democrats would be better off if Biden dropped out is very much an open question — which is kind of a remarkable thing to be saying at this late stage. There’s a whole cottage industry devoted to trying to figure out why Biden doesn’t get more credit on the economy, for instance. And the answer might just be that he’s 80 years old, and that colors every impression voters have of him.
Katherine Mangu-Ward: The voters in these polls just seem to be screaming, ‘He’s too old, and I feel poor!’
Gosh! It’s almost like the thumping Biden gave Republicans on Tuesday didn’t happen. And for a smart guy, Nate Silver should be able to figure out “Why Biden doesn’t get more credit on the economy.” Since Nate is apparently flummoxed, I will help him out: It is because “experts” like Nate Silver obsess over his age and price inflation to the exclusion of Biden’s historic accomplishments.
And in case the Times’ editorial slant isn’t clear from the above, the Times’ chief political analyst Nate Cohn (not Nate Silver) doubled down on his pre-election op-ed trashing Joe Biden. Nate Cohn wrote an article on Wednesday that attempted to dismiss the significance of Tuesday’s win for Democrats. See Nate Cohn op-ed in NYTimes, Tuesday Was Great for Democrats. It Doesn’t Change the Outlook for 2024. Cohn writes, “A pattern continued [on Tuesday] with success in low-turnout elections, which favors highly engaged voters. Presidential years tend to be different.”
We can be sure that if Republicans won big on Tuesday, Nate Cohn would not be dismissing the victories as “low turnout elections.”
Or how about the Los Angeles Times, which did not include a front-page story on Tuesday’s elections? But it did manage to place this headline on the front page: Biden support down sharply among California voters for first time in presidency, poll shows. So, to the LA Times, polls matter more than elections! Why? Because negative news drives readers and clicks. The LA Times doesn’t care about the truth. It wants you to buy the soap it sells in its advertising. Truth is a casualty in the profit equation.
[In the interest of brevity and a valiant act of self-restraint, I omitted several additional paragraphs of examples. You are welcome!]
I will stop before I lose your attention, patience, and goodwill. You get the point.
But indulge me as I repeat a question posed by Michael Podhorzer in his response to the NYTimes poll (Mad Poll Disease Redux), which is relevant in considering the media’s post-election coverage:
I’d like to ask members of the media this question directly: If Trump wins—and if he fulfills any of his long list of deranged promises, some of which involve breaking America beyond repair—how do you think history will judge how you covered this election? [¶¶]
The media needs to decide whether they are covering this election as if it’s an election like any other, or the election that will decide whether the MAGA movement succeeds in ending American democracy.
Sadly, the post-election coverage by major media outlets suggests that they are “covering this election like any other.” We can’t let that happen. We must become the medium and the message…
Every time I appear at meetings of grassroots organizations, I leave with renewed optimism. There are hundreds of thousands—millions?—of dedicated grassroots volunteers who are working every day to ensure that democracy wins in 2024—and beyond! They are the secret superpower of the Democratic Party. And yet, to the major media, they do not exist. But their influence is real—and cannot be ignored.
The victories on Tuesday were due, in part, to the hard work of groups like Indivisible, The States Project, PostCardsToVoters, Markers for Democracy, Heather’s Herd, BigTentUSA, Vote Forward, The Civics Center, Movement Voter Project, Sister District, Field Team Six, 31st Street Swing Left, VoteRiders, AirLift, Senate Circle, and hundreds of others. (Please do not take offense if I did not mention your group!)
Grassroots groups are laser-focused on registering new voters and motivating existing voters to show up. If the major media is oblivious to the existence, reach, and effectiveness of grassroots groups in the Democratic Party, they are understandably underestimating the ability of the Democratic Party to “get out the vote.”
Here’s the point: As we endure the major media’s dismissive attitude about Democratic victories and prospects, we should take confidence and optimism from our collective persistence and tenacity. We will defeat the anti-democratic forces that have coalesced under the MAGA label; it is just a question of “When?”
With that certain knowledge, let us resume the fight with renewed vigor and righteousness. I know I will! Join me!

Well, Duh … Corporate Media …
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EXACTLY RIGHT, Jon. Makes me sick.
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Why does the fact that major media are corporations mean that they can be expected to focus on Biden’s age?
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Biden supports UAW organizing Tesla and Toyota autoworkers into a union, for example. He supports limits and taxes on stock buybacks. Trump gave corporations and CEOs an oversized tax break. Biden will not do that.
Media companies are mostly owned by giant parent companies and run by CEO members of the investor class. Corporations, especially conglomerates, generally seem not to like democracy. They appear not to want the working class to regulate their runaway wealth with votes.
Media companies hire people willing to publish trash like Emily Oster. They WANT Trump back in power. They’ve been plastering his face all over the wall for years. He’s their guy.
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The NYT wants Trump back in power? I get that argument to the extent it aligns with their interests—Trump was fantastic for their subscribership numbers. But the NYT coverage of Trump is not remotely favorable. If anyone thinks it is, I don’t think they read that paper much. So I don’t find this argument convincing.
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Please refer to my comment below at 1:38. Unfavorable coverage of Trump helps Trump. If The NYT wanted to keep Trump out of office, they would have ignored him. Instead, they put his every silly tweet in a headline.
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And as far as The NYT being quote-unquote liberal media goes, not in my book. In my experience, The NYT wants to privatize my school.
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Good morning, Diane, Thank you for posting this important piece by Robert Hubbell. I have noticed the same thing.
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I’ve read many absurd postings on this blog, but this one takes top prize. The media is biased against Joe Biden and is complicit in Trump’s efforts to win a second term? Every study of political journalists has found that 90+% of them vote solidly Democratic and on average are far to the Left even of most Democratic voters. There has been much well-deserved negative coverage of Donald Trump, the most appalling person to ever be President. But other than conservative media there has been very little coverage of – to put it charitably – the highly suspicious business transactions of the Biden family, all of which centered around influence-peddling Joe’s official positions.
If political journalists truly wanted to get rid of Biden, they would cover those shady business transactions in depth rather than just dismissing them as irrelevant.
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Trump gets too much coverage, period. He feeds off the negativity, and he and his supporters know that. Media portray him as a boisterous strongman, even though it takes two little hands to bring a small glass of water to his spoiled rotten face. Articles entitled “Will This Finally Be the Thing That Brings Down Trump?” always induce an eye rolling no, but keep his sinister name on people’s minds, increasing knowledge of his brand. It’s quite an operation.
Want to talk some more about suspicious business transactions of presidents’ children? Let’s talk about Jared Kushner for a while. Two. Billion. Dollars.
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Trump seems more mentally confused than the slower, but sane Biden. Trump claims he defeated Obama in 2016, not HRC. He confused Jeb with G.W. Bush. He mixed up Sioux City, Iowa, and Sioux City, S.D. and he repeatedly refers to Hamas as hummus. Trump is afraid Biden might start WW II! Sure, the orange one moves faster than Biden, especially his mouth.
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Sam, you sound as though you’ve indulged yourself deeply in Fox “news.”
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A 2013 study conducted by folks at Indiana University found that a little over fifty percent of American journalists identified as Independent, 28 percent as Democrats, and 7 percent as Republicans. They were overwhelmingly white and male, and the average age had grown significantly in recent years to 47.
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Critique the media’s perseverance on Biden’s age. Fair enough. However, I know a lot of folks who aren’t feeling the improvement in the economy or reduced “rate” of inflation. On a gut level not feeling that Dems get their daily struggles. For many young people and others who identify with the plight of Palestinians, Biden’s unwavering support for Israel’s war on Gaza will cause them to stay home on Election Day. That’s not a media fabrication. It should be a wake up for Dems, because if many folks stay home we’ll get unleashed Trump and fascism.
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I agree that while they may not be accurate predictors of an election a year from now, the polling is not a media fabrication. And for every “Biden is old” article, there are probably ten “Trump is a criminal and a threat to democracy” articles.
Agree also on inflation. Higher prices generally lock in. (And that’s probably better than deflation.). So people who didn’t react well to rising prices aren’t going to change their outlook in the near future.
Disagree that Israel is going to hurt Biden. Plus that will likely have faded to a background issue or a non-issue by November 2024.
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I think one day historians will be mystified as to why voters aren’t concerned about seriously demented Trump’s age but are wildly concerned about Biden’s age.
It’s because Republicans NEVER help the media legitimize a single negative narrative about their candidates. And Democrats FREQUENTLY do. The couple of times when Dems get wise and stop helping amplify the “untrustworthy Democrat” narratives that lead to the far right takeover, their candidates do much better.
Having closely watched media coverage that absolutely destroyed Dukakis (but not GHWBush), destroyed Gore and Kerry (but not GW Bush), and destroyed HRC (but not Trump), I understand that most people don’t get the subtle difference between supposedly negative coverage of a candidate, and coverage that sends a strong message to voters not to trust a Democrat.
There were only a couple presidential elections when the media’s coverage of a Democrat did not amplify and legitimize the right wing’s narrative that the Democrat was suspect and untrustworthy. And each time – Bill Clinton, Obama x2 and Biden – the Democrat won. There were plenty of negative stories about Clinton’s affairs, but they did not amplify the narrative that most damages every candidate — that they aren’t to be trusted, which means even the people who would normally support that candidate no longer trusts them.
In fact, the Republicans tried desperately to make the “don’t trust Obama” narrative stick with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright story. The so-called left wing mainstream media wrote a couple stories but they couldn’t legitimize it because there weren’t selfish disaffected Dems who helped the media legitimize the right wing narrative. That’s why there weren’t daily stories for months with the same narrative: “Dems concerned about Obama’s closeness to Wright”, “Many Dem voters concerned that Obama is pro-terrorist” “We spoke to Dem voters in a bar in Ohio who all express serious reservations about a President who is so pro-terrorist.”
What happened instead? Every Dem treated that false narrative as nonsense. And instead of post-election polls showing that most voters — even the ones who voted for Obama — didn’t really trust him, the polls showed that voters did.
I think one day historians will be mystified as to why far more voters distrusted HRC but they didn’t distrust the pathological liar Trump.
Republicans get it. It doesn’t matter how repulsive or criminal their Republicans are, they never allow the media to write endless stories that tell voters “even Republicans agree that this
Republican candidate is not to be trusted”. Republicans know that as long as criticism is presented only as “PARTISAN”, it lasts a day and disappears and gains no legitimacy. They won’t even criticize George Santos – turning truth into simply “partisan attacks”.
And so many times, Democrats themselves turn right wing partisan attacks into “truths”. We saw that here in 2016 by the people who believed that there was absolutely nothing wrong with saying that HRC was all the evil things that the right wing says, but they are holding their nose and voting for her anyway. All that did was legitimize lies of the right wing to the general public.
I never hear Republicans say that Trump is a pathological liar and can’t be trusted, but they will hold their nose and vote for him. Never. And yet in 2000, 2004, 2016 so many Dem voters were happy to express that so that the so-called liberal media could amplify it. Which legitimized that narrative and made other voters say “why in the world would I vote when even the people voting for this candidate are telling me how untrustworthy this candidate is?”
Even if Biden wasn’t the candidate, EVERY possible Dem candidate is a human with flaws and compromises who the far right will try to smear. And they will be running against a truly corrupt, far right, anti-democracy Republican. We can have another 2016, or 2000, or 1988 or 1980 (when I was just as guilty of legitimizing the “Carter not trustworthy” narrative), or we can save democracy and do what Republicans do, and stop demonizing our own candidates.
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The whining about the unfair media is getting old, no pun intended. It’s almost as bad on the left as it is on the right. No President has gotten more unfavorable media in my lifetime than Trump. All well-deserved. We lived through four years of nonstop (accurate) headlines of “Trump Is the Devil.” Now we get nonstop (accurate) headlines about how he’s a criminal and a danger to democracy. Do we really need to cry about how unfair it is that there is less handwringing on the right about Trump’s than there is on the left about Biden’s age? You can’t win every media narrative, and
at some point we have to accept the possibility that people are forming their own opinions about Biden’s age. It is what it is.
As a side note, I would ascribe much more importance to the algorithms of social media than the “corporate media” that people seem obsessed with. What people see on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. The stuff that is shoved down users’ throats over and over in meme-sized bites whenever they look at their phones. This stuff has a much bigger impact than some fatuous NYT roundtable column.
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Trump always said the media was unfair. He called the press “the enemy of the people.” He portrayed himself murdering CNN.
The bad press for Trump was well-deserved.
IMHO, the bad press for Biden is not.
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FLERP!,
You still assume that the extreme concern about Biden’s age and mental competency and not Trump’s is because Biden’s actions constantly prove how demented he is while Trump’s do not. It’s ironic that you don’t see how you yourself are influenced by it. You frequently will link here to some out of context clip you embrace that “proves” Biden’s dementia, and you don’t do so with Trump.
And you are wrong about the headlines.
There aren’t headlines that Trump is the devil. Just because you (and the Republicans) say that you find those headlines in the NYT doesn’t make it true.
There are headlines that Democrats say Trump is bad and Republicans strongly disagree.
And there are headlines that Republicans say a Democrat is bad, and so many progressives or Dems agree that the Democrat is bad.
There is a difference.
It explains why “Biden is too old and demented to be president” is now an accepted truth and “Trump is too old and demented to be president” is not.
It explains why every exit poll of voters in 2016 showed that the candidate voters didn’t trust was HRC and not Trump.
And it was never that voters mistrusted both candidates. They didn’t trust HRC. They thought Trump was uncouth, or obnoxious or racist. But there was no trust issue.
Voters are willing to vote for candidates who have policies they don’t like because they trust them. And they turn away from candidates whose policies they like because they don’t trust them.
Bill Clinton won because the media turned Dukakis (and not Iran-Contra involved GHWBush) into someone untrustworthy in 1988, and they remembered their failure. Biden benefited from that in 2020.
If there was even-handed coverage, the false right wing narratives would not become truths.
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“less handwringing on the right about Trump’s age than there is on the left about Biden’s age”
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I “frequently” post clips of Biden looking aged? I think I did that once. In your mind you’ve blown it into something bigger than life.
No amount of complaining about the media is going to change the fact that a huge portion of the Democratic electorate thinks Biden is too old and wishes someone else would run. It is what it is.
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“a huge portion”?
Look at the comments here. People aren’t worried about Biden’s age because they know that Biden will be a frightening demented president – a danger to us all – during his last term.
They are worried about his age because they believe that other people won’t vote for Biden because he is too old. They acknowledge that “old” Biden has done a far better job governing than “young” Obama or “young” Clinton, but they still “know” that Biden is too “old”.
If the candidate was Pete Buttigieg, we would no doubt be having this conversation about how so many Democrats think Pete is “too young”, “too inexperienced”, and you’d probably link to some right wing twitter feed with a short clip of Pete saying something that sounds juvenile that the right wing wants to amplify.
And when Pete lost the election to a Republican candidate a couple years older — or even a couple years younger! — the exit polls would show how voters just didn’t trust Pete because he was too inexperienced to be president.
Reagan was able to shut down all discussion of his age with a single quip. Instead of the election being infused with how voters had strong doubts about whether the aged Reagan was up for the job, the only discussion was about all the successes Reagan had. Despite the many Americans who hadn’t benefited from the “morning in America”.
HRC was a very popular Senator and Secy of State, right up until the right wing smear machine got to her. They sowed doubts about her trustworthiness. While Trump was an uncouth oaf you could trust.
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Pete B. Is unlikely to win a national election because he is gay. Period.
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You really did NOT want to use Reagan as an example. Voters ignored his age. Then, he experienced extreme senile dementia during most of his second term. It became a corporate presidency in which others silently covered for him and did his job.
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NYT Pitchbot brilliantly used fake typical headlines to point out the way the NYT coverage legitimized right wing narratives. But often, he would just post a real NYT headline/story infused with the right wing narrative and make a comment “I can’t top this”.
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Yes, Diane, Trump is the king of the whiners about the unfair media. Anything that isn’t framed exactly as he would like is fake news. Problem is you can’t control everything people say or write about you. People are free to think for themselves.
Yes, NYCPSP, a huge portion. Look at the polls that keep coming out about this. It’s a majority of Dem respondents (as high as 70%) in some of the polls. I trust that as a gauge of voter sentiment more than what five people in the comments section here write, but hey, that’s just me.
It’s weird that this is even debatable. I get the annoyance that Biden is the one getting hammered on the age issue while Trump largely escapes it. But why would anyone doubt that most people are concerned about the idea of electing a president in his 80s? It’s pretty damn old for a job that demanding. But don’t take my word for it—look at the polling for God’s sake!
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Ugh, the NYT pitchbot account is so unfunny.
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I worked closely with speech therapists during my years as a teacher in special ed. PTs and OTs, too. I’d tailor my approach, using their insights and suggestions.
Biden has a stutter. The more pressure that’s put on an individual with this condition, the more effort needs to be expended to control it. Slowing down your delivery of speech is one widely used approach that is more successful than not.
It’s understandable but unfortunate that people will mistake this effort with the beginnings of senility. He also has some issues with arthritis (me too) which compound the impression. His actions as a politician show him to still be very sharp. If anything, his ability to control the condition under this extreme pressure is a testament to his strength.
I’ve gotten pretty cynical about Trump. Seems to be a, “Yeah: he’s a criminal. But he’s OUR criminal” issue. In that scenario, negative advertising as WAY better than no advertising at all. There is no winning.
Then there are those who think he’s God’s messenger…🫨
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Arthritis is rough for guitarists—hope it isn’t too bad. I’ve been lucky so far but I’m only in my 50s and lately my knees are starting to go, so I’m knocking on wood.
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Curious that those who want the U.S. government to withdraw its support for Israel might be willing to elect Trump, who is close to Netanyahu and who wants to ban Muslims from entering the country. Trump wants Israel to obliterate Hamas, regardless of consequences. Biden has been pushing hard for humanitarian corridors and pauses and a future Palestinian state.
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Yes. Would be strange indeed. I’m more worried about the size of the stay at homes, who would reject Trump, but would result in electing Trump. I worry about Dems who think that they need to just explain that the economy is better that people think and run against how awful the entire GOP is.
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To everyone commenting here one way or the other about media influence and why people vote as they do, I recommend posting on the Framelab substack: https://framelab.substack.com/
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“ Curious that those who want the U.S. government to withdraw its support for Israel might be willing to elect Trump, who is close to Netanyahu and who wants to ban Muslims from entering the country”
Yes. I think these points get lost with a significant portion of Trump’s base.
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Sorry…I just realized you were targeting the stay at home possibilities. Yes. You’d hope they would be able to recognize the similarities as well as differences.
I think there’s an exhaustion principal to Trump’s approach. I know that all of this constant attention sometimes makes me want to go home and lock my doors at times.
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Biden is old, but he is also wise and experienced. Biden has always had an underwhelming persona which has made him a target of corporate media. During the Obama’s terms the media called him gaffe prone Joe. During his first term he accomplished a great deal, but some of his efforts like infrastructure won’t be felt for some time. He navigated us through Covid, and our economy, even with its flaws, is now in better shape than many others. Regular people are frustrated with the high cost of food and other goods. The corporate media rarely mentions all the excess profits corporations have accumulated since Covid. Perhaps Biden could have done more to bring attention to the problem, but he does not control corporate greed.
Biden is extremely low in the polls, and his numbers are particularly low among young voters. Despite his age, Biden continues do his job and travels the world in search of solutions to problems. He is not shirking his responsibilities. America favors a youth culture. I have a lot more faith in a Joe Biden-Harris ticket than a Trump and any other fascist one. Biden is surrounded by a competent group of advisers. Some of his appointees like Lena Khan are outstanding. Youth is not always ready to lead. I would rather see Biden in charge than someone like Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg or Sam Bankman-Fried.
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Thank you, retired teacher. AGREE.
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I really wish all those people skipping meals, cutting meds in half, avoiding the doctor even though they’re in pain and living in tents would understand how great the economy is.
I also wish that people would understand that Biden can’t stop the genocide he is funding and arming.
And people really should appreciate the billions of dollars of our tax payer money that went to putting ukraine in a worse situation politically, economically and militarily than they would have if they simply hadn’t allowed NATO troops and weapons on their soil and if they hadn’t slaughtered 14,000 of their fellow citizens (while losing 100,000+ of their own citizens).
The media is so biased in the way they report homelessness, inflation, wars and genocides it makes Biden look bad!
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I do not think you know what the word genocide means. Also, I read your third paragraph a number of times, but I do not think I know what your third paragraph means.
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It means that Democrats (and Jews) are the reason for everything evil in this country and across the world.
She never has any criticism for the evil things Hamas and Putin did, but blames Dems and Jews for supposedly forcing them.
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I have deleted many of Dienne’s comments because she peddles absurd conspiracy theories, which always blame Israel for the massacre. She thinks many of the fatalities were actually caused by IDF. Even though there is video footage shot by Hamas terrorists, showing them mowing down the young people at the dance festival, she believes that many were killed by Israelis in a helicopter. She writes whatever excuses Hamas and blames Israel for whatever happened on October 7. She loves Hamas, hates Israel.
She also has this idea that Israel cannot kill more than the number of fatalities they suffered.
War doesn’t work like that.
The US lost 2500-3000 at Pearl Harbor, then declared war and eventually dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed 100,000-200,000 people, mostly innocent civilians.
The US suffered no deaths at the hands of the Nazis, but joined a coalition to defeat the Nazis, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of German lives, including innocent civilians.
War is terrible.
Hamas started the war, knowing that Israel would retaliate with disproportionate force, which would torpedo normalization of Saudi-Israeli relations and would turn the world against Israel. The original cassus belli has been conveniently forgotten.
The leaders of Hamas are now comfortably ensconced in a luxury hotel in Qatar.
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If dienne77 was truly anti-war I could understand it, but she isn’t. Her lack of concern for Putin’s annihilation of Ukraine families -blaming everyone but Putin – raises serious doubts about her real agenda.
Does anyone who isn’t infused with hatred toward Dems and Israelis really believe that Russia was “provoked” into laying waste to Ukraine, but that Hamas’ invasion of Israel was not a provocation at all? Where were her demands for a Russian ceasefire the last year plus?
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You are right. Dienne is not anti-war. She is ok with Putin’s brutal war on Ukraine.
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I really wish all those people who in 2016 told us that having a progressive Supreme Court didn’t matter would FINALLY take responsibility for the fact that so many Americans are suffering by skipping meals, cutting meds in half, avoiding the doctor, and living in tents is THEIR FAULT for empowering a far right Supreme Court making any progressive action near impossible.
It is appalling that these people now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC because Bernie and AOC won’t join them in scapegoating Ukraine families for not having universal health care.
Guess who is NOT being blamed in the rant above? the far right Republican party. Putin. Hamas.
Jews and Dems will always be their scapegoats, while the Republican Party apparently remains blameless, as if they haven’t blocked every progressive measure in the last 40 years.
These kinds of fake progressives are full of hate, which is why they condemn even Bernie and AOC now.
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A few days ago, I ran into a biased and obviously misleading question on Quora blaming BIden for high inflation and using that to bash Biden, inferring he was too old and incompetent to run for reelection in 2024.
I fact checked the BS question that really wasn’t a question and I ignored the answers that already existed. Then I wrote my own answer to that misleading, lying BS question, and posted it.
While inflation is up, it is also down dramatically from 2021. Also, during Biden’s first term in office, wages for service industries like restaurants and fast food are up higher than inflation due to the fact that Biden didn’t have to do anything to raise incomes in that industry. The workers that refused to come back and work for slave wages did that by staying home or finding other jobs that paid more.
Another fact the answers I read ignored was the debt that the Trump administration added to the country. I think that was more than $7 billion. So far, the debt under Biden’s administration added during his first three years in office isn’t even half that.
When I saw that misleading BS question that wasn’t really a question, it already had more than one million views and thousands of upvotes.
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THIS is part of what the mainstream media should be reporting:
“the National Opinion Research Center’s at the latest survey found that despite severe disruption to the economy caused by the pandemic and the recovery from it, Americans across the spectrum saw their incomes and wealth rise…median household net worth jumped by 37 percent from 2019 to 2022…Americans in every income bracket saw substantial gains…”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/american-household-income-improvement-voter-sentiment/675959/
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Biden has also been a job creator. I think Powell’s steep interest increases have hurt more than helped the public’s perception of the economy.
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oh lord, media hasnt covered enough for Biden? oh god lost souls. How did hamas get through the border when a cockroach cannot make it through? Why were the morons flying in with lawn mower engines shot down from the sky? Hasn’t Trump already proved beyond a shadow doubt media is biased, lies and run by the CIA? Inflation over 20% world going to hell and you guys believe this pathetic admin is doing well 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮.
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Our troll speaks up.
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It’s not just the NYT. The Washington Post put up a long article about how the FBI investigated Biden’s acquiring membership in a golf club, but dropped the investigation because there was no there there. In 2007.
No paywall: https://wapo.st/47v2kp2
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Bob Shepherd’s point about Reagan’s second term senility (he slept a lot and Meese made sure he stayed asleep) is dead on.
One of the differences between the two major parties is that the Republicans rarely criticize their own, in public. The fact that some are doing so, now, in a not so quiet fashion, says a ton about how serious this situation really is.
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Let me just say something about the “corporate media” that people hate so much.
I think most people get their “news” from social media these days, whether they know it or not. They launch Facebook or Twitter or Instagram and the politics are flying. Go on Twitter and instantly see raw footage from Gaza, with a ready-formed opinion in the header, claiming that the footage is X or Y. We have no idea where or when the footage or images are actually from. No way to easily verify claims. And if there is a way, we don’t have the time to do that every time. Deepfakery is also adding to the cesspool of misinformation and disinformation.
Who’s going to sort that out for us? Your favorite blogger? No, it’s the corporate media, such as they are, with all their flaws, that have the resources and staff that is trained and paid to do this job. These broad, off-hand attacks on the New York Times, for example—“they’re corporate! They’re neoliberal! They frame everything in a way designed to help the bad guys!”—from people who have never worked in a major newsroom and have no idea how actual reporters work are lame, cliched, lazy, and only serve to weaken trust in our institutions (they’re also a symptom of that erosion of trust, of course).
Does The NY Times or the WaPo get things wrong sometimes? Of course. Can we disagree with their editorial decisions? Yes. But these broad attacks, I’m sick of them.
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I am the problem. For many decades, I subscribed to the paper editions of The Boston Globe and The New York Times. Now, I don’t subscribe to any news sources and depend on aggregators such as Google News or Apple News or Diane Ravitch. And, ofc, what I see on Facebook or Twitter.
So many have done this that major news organizations are poorer than ever before, and so they have cut staffs enormously. In particular, they have cut payment for extended, in-depth research-based reporting.
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I do, however, have a subscription to Cooks magazine! lol
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It’s a vicious cycle.
I’m sort of the problem, too, in that I consume news from Twitter (I don’t do instagram or Facebook), but I’ve always had NYT and WaPo subscriptions.
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What I can’t stand about the NYT is how it has completely abandoned local reporting. It’s a sad state of affairs when the NY Post is one of the few papers to find local coverage.
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Bob, I describe to many newspapers online, also magazines. The NY Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, InDepthNH, Los Angeles Times, Houston Chronicle, Miami Herald, Orlando Sentinel, Texas Observer, Texas Monthly, Texas Trubune, Daily Yonder, Mississippi Free Press. I may have forgotten a few.
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“What I can’t stand about the NYT is how it has completely abandoned local reporting”
Got that right. A national phenomena. Local news reporting is a dying media and it’s beyond just “a shame”. The voices of our neighbors are being replaced by those we’ll never know.
I agree with what you’re saying, Flerp. Complaining about the likes of The NY Times and Washington Post is similar to grouching about Biden. They don’t always get it right…but both nothing’s tailor made for each of us. It’s not a small world, after all.
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FLERP!,
I read a lot of media criticism from people who have been studying the so-called liberal media for a long time and I have been doing so for more than 30 years. Kathleen Hall Jamieson at Annenberg back in 1992. Eric Alterman during the Clinton impeachment days. More recently, Eric Boehlert, whose untimely death leaves a big hole. Dan Froomkin, fired from the Washington Post for being too critical of Obama.
Some of the very best “liberal” media critics are legal experts — like Dahlia Lithwick and Marcy Wheeler, whose “Emptywheel” blog is excellent.
Democracy is fragile and depends on truth. And what has happened is the so-called “liberal” reporters have been played as fools by the right wing. They believe they can prove to Fox News that they are “unbiased” by spurning reporting what is true and replacing truth with giving “both sides” as if truth and facts are partisan and debatable.
There was a brief halcyon time during Obama’s presidency when Jon Stewart’s “Daily Show” would brilliantly make fun of the inanities of these liberal reporters who prided themselves on their “fair and balanced” Fox Newsworthy reporting. I suspect being made objects of fun in front of their friends and family at a show watched by the so-called literati worked to temper their tendency to lean overboard to favor the Republicans to compensate for what they were certain was their own liberal bias if they did not. Was Obama really a scandal-free presidency, or did reporters not breathlessly jump to legitimize right wing narratives about Obama scandals, like “Obama’s terrorist-loving minister Jeremiah Wright” and “Benghazi!”?
As most people who have followed this for 40 years know, the Republicans have succeeded in working the refs, and the so-called liberal media has internalized that reporting that is too favorable to Dems and too negative to Republicans is “biased”, regardless of whether it is true or not.
While too many Dems believe they have to be nice.
Working the refs works. If only one side makes an international incident of every single call that goes against them, while the other side says nothing whenever a call goes against them, the refs are more likely to refrain from making as many calls against the the side that complains.
The Republicans never dared to do what Donald Trump did and actually test how far the insecure media would let them go. Trump just lied. He made up whatever he wanted. He tested how far he could go and the Republicans learned there was no limit. The media would still both sides everything.
So yes, it is of vital importance that the remaining so-called liberal news organizations feel the criticism. They are stupid enough to believe that if they only bend over backward even more to legitimize the false right wing narratives, the Republicans will like them. And all they are doing is signing their own death warrants, and the death warrant for democracy.
There is a reason that the “conservative” Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin seems like a left wing radical when compared to the cowardly reporting in the liberal WP and NYT. It is not because she became left wing — it is because she stayed the same believer in truth while journalists and editors embraced “there is no truth, only partisan sides and Republicans will respect us for saying that.”
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Media bias — making an ECONOMIST with a history of hyping her conclusions based on erroneous data – Emily Oster – and not a scientist, doctor, educator, public policy expert, etc. – the go to “expert” on school closings during a once in a lifetime pandemic. Why would she be the NYT’s go to “expert”? I have no doubt that the “coincidental” fact that she just happens to be spewing the right wing Republican narrative and claiming she has copious incontrovertible data to support it has a lot to do with it. The many scientists and experts in the field pointing out where she was hyping certainties that didn’t exist were silenced. “Some union teachers who are too scared to teach in person disagree” is the NYT version of “fair and unbiased reporting” to offer up “the other side”.
The political coverage is nearly as bad. Issues are complex and the both sides equal reporting favors those who don’t care about the truth.
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The “horse race “ virus in our media has no cure and is therefore irrelevant. Also, why does Nate Silver still have a job?
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Yesterday, Donald Trump made a speech using Hitleresque language. Anyone who opposes Trump is vermin, he told his supporters, and they need to be eliminated.
The NYT doesn’t cover it. Instead, this is today’s headline: “Donald Trump Jr. Says Family Properties Show His Father’s Brilliance”. Who knows, maybe Trump Jr. is right, so why wouldn’t the NYT want to make sure what Trump Jr. says is given their authoritative stamp of “might be true because the only people who say it isn’t true are rabidly partisan Dems”).
Did Trump EVER in his life do anything that is wrong? An alien who came from outer space and wanted to learn about Trump from the NYT would learn only that Trump and the partisan Democrat Trump-haters disagree about many things, and it is impossible to know what is true and what isn’t.
Once Trump becomes President again, the alien would learn that Trump and “partisan Democrats” disagree about whether it’s perfectly fine for Trump to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, and it is simple impossible for a “fair and balanced” NYT reporter to know whether or not it is perfectly fine for Trump to do so.
Since the NYT is always careful to find a disaffected Democrat or progressive or “voters in a diner in Ohio” to agree with every negative right wing attack on a democrat, the alien from outer space is left understanding that the Democrat is clearly untrustworthy, since “even many Democrats and progressives” are willing to confirm the right wing attack on the Democrat. But all criticism of Trump is presented as just something that is suspect since only rabidly partisan Democrats say it.
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Rachel Maddow spoke at length tonight about the fascism implicit in Trump’s calling his critics “vermin.”
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The Times covered it the same day he gave the speech, and then wrote about it again yesterday.
More mindless whining about media unfairness.
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Yes, the NYT also “covered” Hitler pre-WWII — the “covered” him by normalizing him. See below.
It’s only AFTER media criticism that the NYT goes back and changes headlines, and the paper version generally contains the “nothing to see here, just a different direction” headlines.
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The NY Times covered this story on November 11 and again yesterday.
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“Trump Takes Veterans Day Speech in a Very Different Direction” is NOT covering the US rise to fascism. It is NORMALIZING it.
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Come on. You wrote that the Times didn’t cover the story of Trump’s insane Veterans Day speech. The Times did cover the story, twice. Now it’s “but I don’t like the original headline that the copy desk chose for one of the two stories, and that means that they didn’t actually cover the speech!”
From the article:
“Former President Donald J. Trump, on a day set aside to celebrate those who have defended the United States in uniform, promised to honor veterans in part by assailing what he portrayed as America’s greatest foe: the political left.
Using incendiary and dehumanizing language to refer to his opponents, Mr. Trump vowed to ‘root out’ what he called ‘the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.’
‘The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within,’ Mr. Trump said Saturday in a nearly two-hour Veterans Day address in Claremont, N.H.”
This exchange is excellent evidence of how silly the whining about how unfair the Times is to Biden is.
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Yes, Flerp, Norman Ornstein and I should be drawn and quartered for daring to criticize the beloved NYT because they do such a good job.
That headline would not have been changed if it wasn’t for media criticism from those who understand that “covering” a speech doesn’t mean normalizing it.
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I’m not saying you should be drawn and quartered. That would be pretty extreme. I’m saying you should acknowledge you were wrong when you claimed the Times didn’t cover this story, when in fact it covered it twice.
You’re being a bit silly here.
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I was wrong not to clarify that the NYT “covered” this speech by normalizing it.
I don’t really understand your need to be “cute”, flerp! I doubt you are so ignorant not to understand that right wing news outlets “cover” Trump’s speeches all the time and Trump became a media star and won the presidency in 2016 because of all the “coverage” he got by the mainstream media. It normalized Trump. While at the same times those media outlets “covered” his Democratic opponent in a way that convinced even many people who “held their noses and voted for her” that she was a corrupt, untrustworthy liar. It’s not a coincidence that Trump was perceived as a corrupt, untrustworthy liar by a far smaller percentage of voters in 2016 with coverage like the NYT gave his speech UNTIL media critics like Ornstein spoke out.
That Trump is a viable candidate should give you pause. The fact that people jump to blame “the Democrats” (they aren’t good enough) for Trump’s rise instead of recognizing what is behind it has just helped him more.
Diane Ravitch, I have started reading Rachel Maddow’s book Prequel. So easy to see how the institutions that we assume will protect us from fascism can be used to normalize it and seriously endanger democracy. Trump’s first victory was an extremely dangerous time, and a few white house folks acting slightly differently could have ended democracy. I doubt we will have a second chance if Trump wins again.
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In 2016, it was understandable that the mainstream media treated Trump as a normal candidate. Plain-spoken, yes. Bigoted, yes. But now we know. His closest aides have said that he’s ignorant and not interested in issues. Now we know he shares national security secrets with anyone he wants to impress. Anyone who treats him as normal disgraces themselves.
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I’m not treating Trump as normal, Diane, and neither is the NY Times.
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“The New York Times is facing intense criticism over a headline on an article about former President Donald Trump’s Veteran’s Day speech calling his political enemies “vermin.”
The Times article, according to screenshots of the headline, was originally titled “Trump Takes Veterans Day Speech in a Very Different Direction.” Based on a Sunday social media post stating the original headline and linking to the article, the outlet appears to have since changed the headline to “In Veterans Day Speech, Trump Promises to ‘Root Out’ the Left.”
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You get angry because you think the Times didn’t cover a story. The Times did cover the story, twice. Now you move the goalpost and your beef is that you don’t like the headline. Media unfairness! The Times is on Trump’s side!
Please just take this loss.
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FLERP, for whatever it’s worth, I agree with NYPSP that the Times should treat Trump as the psychopath he is. Not as a normal person because he is not.
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I agree with Flerp that the fact that Trump is talking like a dangerous psychopath (because he is a dangerous psychopath) is much in the news. I agree with NYCPSP and Diane that journalists have a duty to make as clear as possible that he is not a normal person at every conceivable opportunity. He is a total wacko. A psychopathic nutcase. A malignant narcissist. An idiot. A moron. A criminal. And a traitor.
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Normalizing fascism in a story is “covering” a candidate, but it isn’t journalism.
Fox News “covered” Trump’s speech and so did every other far right news outlet, so by your definition, as long as Fox News writes something about Trump making a speech, they are doing fine work.
You have lowered the bar to exactly the standard that is necessary for fascism.
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“The NYT doesn’t cover it.”
Duck, here comes a flying goalpost!
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Diane, anyone who thinks the NY Times treats Trump as a normal candidate either doesn’t read the NY Times much or doesn’t understand or care about good journalism.
People get so frothed up about this stuff that they can’t even see straight. Here, we had a diatribe against the NY Times based on a completely false belief that didn’t cover the story of Trump’s Veterans Day speech and the insane things he said in it. Then that morphs into a diatribe about how, well, it doesn’t really count as “coverage” because the headline wasn’t any good. Then that is used as the basis for the insipid assertion that the Times is normalizing fascism.
This is dim-witted analysis.
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Even Norman Ornstein noted the problem with the NYT coverage. But FLERP! pronounces himself/herself to be the expert media critic here.
Norman Ornstein, like Jennifer Rubin, is now dismissed by folks like FLERP! as “too angry” because they don’t worship at the altar of “both sides – truth and lies – must be presented as having equal weight, and everything said by a Republican, no matter how shocking and outrageous, must be presented as something that is normal with the only criticism coin from extreme partisan on the other side.
It took decades of the right wing assault on the so-called liberal media to convince “liberal” journalists that normalizing lies said by Republicans must be the basis of good journalism. “fair and balanced” is not journalism – reporting the truth is.
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