Peter Greene discovered that Ryan Walters, the State Superintendent of Education in Oklahoma, attempted to define “Woke” on a far-right website. WOKE is one of those new terms of opprobrium, like “critical race theory,” that Republicans despise but can’t define. Peter eagerly read Walters’ effort to defund Woke, but came away disappointed. It seems that Woke is whatever you don’t like. You may have seen the stories recently about Walters insisting that the Tulsa race massacre of 2021 had nothing to do with skin color, although as the Daily Beast reported, “white mobs killed as many as 300 Black residents and burned some 1,600 homes and businesses in what was known as Black Wall Street.”
Peter Greene writes:
Oklahoma’s head education honcho decided to pop up in The Daily Caller (hyperpartisan and wide variation in reliability on the media bias chart) with his own take on the Big Question–what the heck does “woke” mean? (I’ll link here, because anyone who wants to should be able to check my work, but I don’t recommend clicking through).
Walters tries to lay out the premise and the problem:
Inherent to the nature of having a language is that the words within it have to mean something. If they do not, then they are just noises thrown into a conversation without any hope of leading it anywhere. And when the meaning is fuzzy, it becomes necessary to define the terms of discussion. To wit, the word “woke” has gained a lot of popularity among those of us who want to restore American education back to its foundations and reclaim it from the radical left.

I’m a retired English teacher and I generally avoid being That Guy, particularly since this blog contains roughly sixty gabillion examples of my typo issues, but if your whole premise is that you are all for precise language, maybe skip the “to wit” and remember that “restore back” is more clearly “restore.”
But he’s right. The term “woke” does often seem like mouth noises being thrown into conversations like tiny little bombs meant to scare audiences into running to the right. However, “restore American education back to its foundation” is doing a hell of empty noising as well. Which foundation is that? The foundation of Don’t Teach Black Folks How To Read? The foundation of Nobody Needs To Stay In School Past Eighth Grade? Anyone who wants to talk about a return to some Golden Age of US Education needs to get specific about A) when they think that was and B) what was so golden about it.
But since he doesn’t. Walters is also making mouth noises when he points the finger at “opponents of this movement.” If we don’t know what the movement is, we don’t know exactly what its opposition is, either. Just, you know, those wokes over there. But let’s press on:
Knowing that many such complaints are made in completely bad faith because they do not want us to succeed, it would still be beneficial to provide some clarity as to what it means and — in the process — illustrate both the current pitiful state of American education and what we as parents, educators, and citizens can do about it.
Personally, I find it beneficial to assume that people who disagree with me do so sincerely and in good faith until they convince me otherwise. And I believe that lots of folks out on the christianist nationalist right really do think they’re terribly oppressed and that they are surrounded by evil and/or stupid people Out To Get Them. It’s a stance that justifies a lot of crappy behavior (can probably make you think that it’s okay to commandeer government funds and sneakily redirect them to the Right People).
But I agree that it would be beneficial for someone in the Woke Panic crowd to explain what “woke” actually means. Will Walters be that person? Well….
In recent years, liberal elites from government officials to union bosses to big businesses have worked to co-opt concepts like justice and morality for their own agendas that are contrary to our founding principles and our way of life.
I don’t even know how one co-opts a concept like justice or morality, but maybe if he explains what agenda he’s talking about and how, exactly, they are contrary to founding principles or our way of life, whatever that is.
But he’s not going to do that. He’s going to follow that sentence with another that says the same thing with the same degree of vaguery, then point out that “naturally, this faction of individuals” is after schools to spread their “radical propaganda.” Still no definition of woke in sight. No–wait. This next start looks promising–
Put simply, “woke” education is the forced projection of inaccurately-held, anti-education values onto our students. Further, to go after wokeness in education means that we are going after the forced indoctrination of our students and our school systems as a whole.
Nope. That’s not helping, either. “Projection” is an odd choice–when I project an image onto a screen, the screen doesn’t change. There’s “projection” when I see in someone else what is really going on in me, which might have some application here (“I assume that everyone else also wants to indoctrinate students into one preferred way of seeing the world”) but that’s probably not what he has in mind. I have no idea how one “forces” projection. “Inaccurately-held” is also a puzzler. The values are accurate, but they’re being held the wrong way? What does this construction get us that a simple “inaccurate” would not? And does Walters really believe that schools are rife with people who are “anti-education,” because that makes me imagine teachers simply refusing to teach and giving nap time all day every day, except for pauses to explain to students that learning things is bad. I suspect “education” means something specific to him, and this piece (aimed at a hyperpartisan audience) does seem to assume a lot of “nudge nudge wink wink we real Americans know what this word really means” which would be fine if the whole premise was not that he was going to explain what certain words actually mean.

I have a meaningful definition for the real WOKE… Still, the fascists on the extreme right won’t like it.
I think the real WOKE means someone that’s a life-long learner, an avid reader, extremely curious, someone that loves learning new things, a fact checker, has an open mind, a researcher, a critical thinker, a problem solver…
A few antonyms of the real WOKE: dumb, ignorant, fascist, MAGA, racist, Nazi…
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Those are good, Lloyd!
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Ryan Walters couldn’t define “woke.”
Justice Potter couldn’t define “hard-core pornography.”
Justice Ketanji Jackson couldn’t define “woman.”
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Definition is NOT a simple matter, ofc. “(It depends on what the meaning of the word ”is’ is” LOL.) And the most common terms are often among the most complex.
“What then is time? If no one asks me, I know; if I wish to explain it to one who asks, I know not.”
–St. Augustine (345–430 CE), Confessions
However, use of terms like woke and socialist and CRT by Reich-wingers who have no clue what they are referring to except everything that they don’t like is not excusable.
I, for one, am quite clear about what I mean when I use the expletive Trump:
https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2021/02/01/trump-a-commemoration/
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The world has grown more complicated. A trans woman won the Miss Netherlands beauty contest.
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And anyone who questions whether she is, in fact, a woman is a hateful bigot and should not be engaged with!
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FLERP!’s comment here is very revealing.
The far right and their willing enablers always frame the debate and demand we have the discussion THEY want to have, which merely serves to normalize and legitimize their fact-free nonsense.
FLERP! doesn’t want to have a discussion about why he is so outraged and upset that a trans woman would be allowed to compete in the Miss Universe pageant and FLERP! doesn’t want to defend his view that this is dangerous and harmful and should be banned.
But he DOES want to have a discussion about what he presents as the real outrage – that we won’t engage in discussions of whether the trans woman “is, in fact, a woman”.
Calling your bluff, FLERP!, to please discuss why you feel so strongly that the Netherlands Miss Universe pageant winner is or not “in fact, a woman”.
Please don’t forget to address the relevant point that Miss Universe pageant first allowed transgender participation in 2012 and that in 2018 the first open transgender women competed. No faux outrage by Republicans as I guess they didn’t realize there was political mileage to be gained.
FLERP!, do you want to discuss why the right wing decided to throw trans people and especially trans children under the bus for no other reason than political gain in scaring parents who believe their kids are being coerced into turning trans by the entire medical and science establishment and brainwashed into trans trans by social media?
You are being challenged to engage in discussions, instead of using false and nasty innuendo accusing others of not wanting to engage.
You are the one who only seems to want to engage in smears. Here is your chance to prove me wrong. I’m guessing you will simply launch some personal attack on me, which will prove my point.
Or prove me wrong and engage instead of insulting Diane Ravitch and others here and accusing them of not wanting to engage with you.
Have a real discussion instead of throwing insults and accusations.
Why do you think the Miss Universe pageant was wrong in 2012 when they allowed trans women to compete? And why didn’t the Republicans manufacture their outrage back then, or in 2018?
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Of course I feel very strongly that the Ms. Whatever winner is a woman. She says she’s a woman, and that should be the end of the matter. This is not complicated, people!
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FLERP!,
I apologize because I mistook your first reply for snark, not a genuine expression of your beliefs. mea culpa. Thank you for clarifying.
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‘Ryan Walters couldn’t define “woke.”
Justice Potter couldn’t define “hard-core pornography.”
Justice Ketanji Jackson couldn’t define “woman.”’
I was confused about your position on transgender people because of your inclusion of the quote on Kentanji Brown with the Walters and Potter quotes. To me, the default position put Brown’s comment in the same class as the other two.
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They’re all in the same category in the sense that they are examples of people who cannot define things.
Walters should have used Justice Potter’s failsafe: “I know it when I see it.”
Justice Jackson completely failed the test. The correct definition of “woman” is “any person who identifies as a woman.”
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FLERP! says “The correct definition of “woman” is “any person who identifies as a woman.”
I really appreciate this version of FLERP! who is so sincere and forthright about their beliefs. I’m sorry for accusing you of being disingenuous and hypocritical.
FLERP!, can you elaborate on what you mean by “identifies as a woman”? Because obviously, while some right wing transphobes are trying to foment hate and violence toward trans people by promoting a lie that a man can just announce “I’m a woman” for a day and be welcome into the Miss Universe pageant or play women’s sports, those of us who aren’t transphobes understand that the issue is far more complicated.
Even in women’s sports, a man could never simply announce they were a woman and be allowed to compete. So “person who identifies as a woman” is inaccurate without more specifics on what it means to “identify as a woman”. Those are the specifics that the right wing likes to fudge because it’s easier to scare people and foment violence against trans people if you can make people believe something that isn’t true.
FLERP!, just confirming that you actually know trans people in real life and understand that “identifies as a woman” isn’t the same transphobic innuendo spoken by some right wing men who claim they can just say they “identify as women” and that’s all it takes to be considered a woman.
So glad you want to engage in conversation now.
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And Antia Bryant’s granddaughter is happily married to a woman. 🙂
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One answer that Brown could have given- “The court decided corporations are persons. Are corporations- women or men?”
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It would be nice if people sourced their quotes, in this case at 5:43 (such a tired line):
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To repeat again, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Hillary Clinton is a woman because she identifies as a woman. Miss Netherlands is a woman because she identifies as a woman. Not sure why this is generating so much controversy.
Thanks, Greg, but I’m not watching your Jordan Peterson video. Sorry if you think pointing out that Justice Jackson couldn’t define “woman” to be “tired.” Unlike pointing out that someone can’t define “woke,” which is a brilliant and fresh observation.
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To wit, a sui generous bone moot, nez pa? It has that certain gee no say quoi, this obser va zion pear excellence. It speaks, ipso Fabio et enter Alia et primary face-y to the savory wa fare of the author.
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Woke originally was a benign term meaning being aware of various injustices. It has evolved (as language usually does) into something else – mostly into a term of derision directed at the intolerant, sanctimonious Left. One professor’s definition:
Q. How do you define “Woke”?
A. The attitude of a person who regards his or her opinions as so obviously correct and so profoundly enlightened that they may not legitimately be doubted or challenged, and that only hate or bigotry can explain others’ holding different beliefs. (see the comment by Lloyd Lofthouse above as a perfect example of this definition)
A longer essay linked below explains in depth what “woke” has come to mean.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/how-to-define-woke/
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The National Review, founded by William F. Buckley and featuring, among the original writers assembled by Billy Boy, one Revilo P. Oliver, who was mentored by William Luther Pierce III, the American Neo-Nazi author of The Turner Diaries.
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Mr. Shepherd,
This comment is – or should be – far beneath you. William F. Buckley died in 2008; he was editor-in-chief of National Review until 1990, after which he turned over management of that publication to younger staff and was minimally involved. If you have actually read NR since, say, 2015 you would know that they have banished all anti-Semites and racists from their pages. You would also know that they have published hundreds of essays strongly critical of Donald Trump. You recently wrote on this blog that you would start to read NR. Have you?
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No, Ms. Micas, I haven’t read anything from the NR since I last had the pleasure of speaking with you. I have been quite busy of late with various projects. I will repeat what I said previously. Over the years, I have read many articles in the NR, including ones posted here. I have TYPICALLY found them to be rightwing apologia characterized by cherry picking of data and sins of omission. When I was in my late teens, I became for a short time an avid reader of the NR and of The American Spectator. Then I grew up and left Randian comic book conceptualization of the world behind me. I look back on that flirtation with Conservativism with some amusement.
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One might almost define the Republican Party as that major American political party that later renounces as INSANE the positions that it used to take–fervent opposition to Social Security and Medicare, fervent support for the Vietnam War and the First Iraq War, price controls under Nixon, the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency (Nixon, again), Interesting to hear that all racists have been banished from the pages of NR given that the magazine continues to deny that systemic racism exists in the U.S. despite the mountains of statistical evidence for it.
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It has long been thus. Republicans attempt to work the country into a lather about some utter nonsense like WMDs in Iraq. The NR intellectualizes the arguments and attempts to back them up with cherry picked rationalization. And then, when they have all been proven to have been disastrously wrong, they conveniently forget that that’s what they argued so vehemently for, that they accused those who opposed them at the time of being somehow unpatriotic.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2003/03/ultimate-ultimatum-speech-gleaves-whitney/
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cx: fervent support of The Second Iraq war
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Republican means never having to say you’re sorry. All the stuff from the journals of Republican apologetics–The Wall Street Journal, the National Review, goes pfft, down the Memory Hole. And the next time they fervently defend the indefensible, they double down on the breathlessness of the condemnation of those who disagree with them.
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Elizabeth Micas It occurred to me that, in our present context, the scattered meaning behind the word “woke” could also include, or be related to, what Paulo Freier meant by “conscientization” in his “Pedagogy of the Oppressed;” or becoming aware of one’s situation enough to both compare it with other situations (particularly political) and to work to change it if one realizes that it is oppressive, instead of just following along under the direction of the powerful few. (No wonder some fear it so much.)
Works for me . . . one doesn’t have to be “Marxist” to understand the value of such awareness. (See Wikipedia under “critical consciousness.”) CBK
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Lloyd Lofthouse defines woke as follows: “Someone that’s a life-long learner, an avid reader, extremely curious, someone that loves learning new things, a fact checker, has an open mind, a researcher, a critical thinker, a problem solver… .” This definition is approximately 179.99 degrees away from your A. to your Q. Were you referring to his antonyms while deliberately and duplicitously ignoring his definition itself?
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The Q and A was written by Robert P. George, a now retired professor from Princeton.
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Robert P George-
Co-author of the Manhattan Declaration. Fifteen Catholic bishops of major cities signed the paper along with evangelicals. The document’s content is posted at Wikipedia. George is right wing Catholic, founder of National Organization for Marriage. NOM’s President was/is Jan. 6th’s John Eastman whose law license is under review. NOM’s legal counsel was Cleta Mitchell who has links to Charles Koch. George is also co-founder of the American Principles Project which has absurd notions about the gold standard. George, who is anti-abortion, said he knows of those who think access to abortion leads to promiscuity.
Catholic opposition to abortion is about controlling women. It’s under the guise of something else.
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Now and then I find myself thinking you’re making some good sense, Linda. But then I remember the time you tried to tell me that someone I know, John Pfaff, a hyper-progressive law professor and criminal justice reformer, was suspect as a dangerous conservative because he teaches at Fordham Law, a Catholic institution.
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FLERP! Two issues in your note, if I may.
First, in my experience with Linda’s posts, sometimes she records excellent facts about the Catholic Church and other mostly right-wing organizations, but not always; and almost exclusively it’s ABOUT something Catholic . . . mentioned four or five times in each post. Many times, they are not cited, from old or obscure publications, or just vague suggestions; and most of the time they are cherry-picked and not in context.
Then, she often follows up with obviously bias-inspired logical fallacy she calls “facts,” like a 45-year-old who (OMG!) attended a Jesuit High School, whereupon, as innuendo, we are all supposed to gasp and grab our pearls as we “realize” they must be Catholic Zombies. (Put “Jewish” or “Muslim” in there and see what happens.) This has been common Linda-fare the whole time I’ve been on this blog. For example, (I repeat myself here) . . . my own experience with Linda began with her telling me I agreed with Diane because I was Catholic and, therefore, I must be a follower of authority. She could write the book on how to use logical fallacies.
Second, though I think, in our present power situation, Linda is right about some of the leadership and some organizations housed IN Catholic schools of higher education, especially close to D.C., (Georgetown, Catholic University, etc.), these schools offer a better than fine curriculum covering critical and up-to-date scholarship in many fields that have nothing to do with religious propaganda, as she often implies. And if people don’t know the actual facts, then they tend to believe sxxt like that. Students can take courses in theology and world religions, etc., but these are totally by choice. I know this not merely by school reputation, but because I graduated from Georgetown and knew many people who attended Catholic University not far from GT. Not to mention that a Jesuit education is valuable thing to have in any life situation.
So, your post rung both of those bells for me. Also, again, you won’t find me trying to defend the indefensible about the Catholic Church, here or anywhere; but my guess is, true to form, she and others here will say the above is my trying to do just that. To me, however, what Linda does with such posts is SOME good information, but it’s almost always dressed in the clothes of MIS or even FALSE information–on the order of fascist double-speak. If you are going to read her posts here, keep your critical strainer close at hand and use it often as you would with any biased, obsessively driven text. (BTW, GregB says he doesn’t see the problem.)
Also, BTW, Sheldon Whitehouse was on “Joy” (MSNBC) this afternoon talking about what they are doing in Congressional committee about Leonard Leo and the billionaires who are giving “care and feeding” to at least two members of SCOTUS. I was warmed at every word Whitehouse spoke. CBK
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Flerp, CBK and Joel get their wish- nothing has been written in mainstream media about the role that state Catholic Conferences have played in school privatization.
And, they got their wish, jurists weren’t asked about their religious beliefs.
Flerp is not alone in his views if he thinks Robert P George (or Vermuele) is inconsequential to the right wing shift in the country. If CBK and Joel think that the New Republic article (2-3-2021) that I referenced in another thread makes inconsequential points in explaining the decisions of SCOTUS, they are in the midst of a lot of similar company.
If those who believe there is no threat from the Catholic Church to democracy in the US, are comfortable with that opinion, again they have a lot of company. If they believe that selecting what they perceive as my weakest arguments and focusing on those… repeating… they may find a lot of support at the blog.
But, to be fair, should they examine why they are wringing their hands about the loss of American freedom while attributing it to some unidentifiable failing of some huge segment of the population who act for unexplainable reasons? As an alternative, they can choose not to examine or not to identify causes and just observe the political direction of the electoral college-rich states, assuming people are randomly stupid when they vote (ignoring the polling research that ranks the importance of religion in voting). Observing without action has a long history. It’s aided by well-crafted PR.
As a final point, speaking truth to power didn’t become a famous quote because it was commonplace.
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The significance of Aug. 8th passage of Ohio Issue 1 which will be “a stake in the heart of democracy,” (in perpetuity), has been covered by media. As Diane noted, the issue’s intent is to prevent referendums like the one scheduled in November about abortion access from getting a vote by citizens. From media reporting, one would conclude that conservative religious sects like Catholics have no interest in the issue nor, are they providing any support. Let’s call that a win for people who share views with CBK, Joel and Flerp.
Not naming the enemy for whatever reason one chooses to cite…hmm.
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Linda, I think you make some good points. I’m just saying that you often go too far with the guilt-by-association game. And that undermines your good points because it hurts your credibility. The example of John Pfaff really blew my mind.
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Flerp
Thank you for the reply.
I understand, a measured response is a preferable tactic, while open season on the messenger is palatable for those same people. We can agree the public is unaware of the political lobbying of the almost 50 state Catholic Conferences? (How long has it been well-funded and right wing?)Do you have a suggestion for getting the message out? Does toning it down seem like a way to bring it to awareness?
Btw- the GOP leadership’s pick for senate candidate in Montana is Timothy Sheehy. Beyond his hypocrisy about the plague of luxury developments in the state, while he owns one, there are media reports about racist and misogynistic comments from his prior Facebook account. He is anti-abortion.
Media don’t seem at this point to be identifying his religion, which you may support. (However, it should be noted that neither you nor Joel, are the targets of his alleged bigotry, nor are targets of the prejudice of the Catholic Church.) A small news site identified Sheehy’s church as St. John Vianny Parish. He also is identified as serving on the Bozeman Deaconess Hospitals and Strategy Committee. I don’t know how much influence bishops have on reproductive care decisions at the Bozeman hospital. Concerned writers have explored the general topic as a point of interest.
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Flerp
Please tune back in for my reply after it leaves moderation.
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I would only say: to build and preserve credibility on a subject that many people (i.e. Catholics) will find touchy, have a high degree of confidence that statements are accurate before making them.
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Flerp-
I understand your point about bars being set very high for integrity when fighting an enemy. Digressing, I’m intrigued by an inference I’ve made from what you, Joel and CBK wrote.
The points I may make, e.g. Republican JD Vance advanced to senator from Ohio after he converted to right wing Catholicism in 2019. Vance wasn’t living in the state at the time he began his run and he had never held elected office.
I infer that my comments stretch credulity for you. On the other hand, when Leonard Leo gets 3 or more right wing Catholic judges on SCOTUS and then, is given unlimited funds to use for right wing politics, it seems credible?
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FLERP! et al Maybe my below note got by without being read, from early yesterday:
Joel commented about Leo NOT being a member of the clergy, which makes him (Leo) unaccountable for his actions to Church authorities in a way that oath-taking clergy are (supposed to be) accountable. But where he (Leo), as Joel says, still reflects the views of many ultra-conservative/ right-wing clergy . . . or said another way, carries their water.
Interesting points all around . . . priests hiding their tacit but actual departure from Christianity behind a wannabe fascist who is neither an elected official nor a “card-carrying” priest as he sets the seeds to destroy both democracy itself and the authentic power and reputation of the Church.
From whence the power, however, except for the handoffs of a wealthy cheapskate good-old-boy network and scaredy-cat false Catholics, organizational skills, opportunism, and oligarch funding, through the Federalist Society and other nefarious undemocratic organizations and people who are good at keeping their lipstick straight . . . more like a self-serving corporate clone projecting his toady personality, like all fascists do, than a person involved with doing anything good, especially under the criteria of basic Christianity as is told in the New Testament. What a man of today. CBK
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Flerp! I looked. Linda’s preferred method, still, is to throw up truths that I and probably you agree with (as your notes actually say) as cover for the innuendo, misinformation, calculated omissions, wince-worth suspicions, and other bias-informed fallacies–and the obsessiveness of it all. Read my notes from the past and you will find I have agreed with complaints about right-wing Catholic hierarchy overreach, et al.
Linda’s and others’ mental blinders disallow such agreements and distinctions, however, in favor of their preconceived strawman ideas about those awful Catholics. Both distinctions and agreements go right by them.
And BTW, I am not a “sensitive Catholic.” I just don’t like to be regularly and tacitly smeared as a Catholic, so I brought the Catholic-smearing out of the Linda-closet . . . nor do I like snow jobs rooted in anti-anything bias masquerading under the cover of truth, no matter how well or badly those truths are expressed (here, they are usually sheared and methodically distorted, however . . . wait for it, here comes another regurgitation) . . .
. . . like when Linda tells you to be suspicious of your ultra-progressive professor for teaching at Fordham University (oooooooohhhhhh!). Linda has continued this kind of morbid thinking (aka: cxxp) for years. Back to my “delete” button. CBK
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A possibility- if members of a sect that has a doctrine that is homophobic and sexist weren’t coddled, they might react in a way that benefits democracy and humanity instead of responding with the go-to tribalism. Although, the argument can be made that many liberals in the sect remained tribalists after the cover-up of widespread child abuse by clergy. Btw- the current case in New Orleans is equal to or more egregious than others.
Maybe, the answer is that those with overriding self serving motivation will be what they will be.
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I’d love to read the argument, Elizabeth, but it’s behind a paywall. Can you provide a free version, or at least paste the main points? Thanks!
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Is the opposite of woke “asleep at the wheel”?
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There are some amusing videos of Alabama senator, Tommy Tuberville, trying to define the terms white supremacist and Christian Nationalist. According to Tuberville, they’re simply “Mericans.”
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or Merkins
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Lead Belly defined it in plain English to avoid any confusion. In an interview discussing his song called “Scottsboro Boys” (4:28, 1938).
“I advise everybody to be a little careful when they go down through there (Alabama) to stay woke. Keep your eyes open.” Seems self-explanatory to me. Easy enough for even a lawyer to explain.
I guess all these lawyer politician types missed that day in lawyer school when they covered The Scottsboro Boys trial that took over EIGHTY YEARS to resolve. Or maybe lawyers don’t learn about Civil Rights or Jim Crow Laws in lawyer school. Seems a stretch, but I don’t know; I never went to law school.
Or maybe this is just another white man in a long and pathetic line of white men who, in a desperate attempt to remain a sad little king on a sad little hill, appeals to the basest and most racist instinct of his own ilk.
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Thank you, Mr. Alfera!
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Is this you, Thomas? Great stuff!
https://music.apple.com/us/album/unbroken-circle/1122583190?i=1122583203
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So woke means “on the lookout for people who want to do you harm”?
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I thought Peter’s definition was pretty good:
“The term “woke” does often seem like mouth noises being thrown into conversations like tiny little bombs meant to scare audiences into running to the right.”
An Urban Dictionary definition if I ever saw one.
Quick search:
“ Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination”. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism”
One way I’ve looked at it is, “I woke to the fact that a lot of people are being stepped on and that needs to be changed”.
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The whole anti-woke messaging first presented by DeSantis is the result of his vicious, over generalization about citizens that are more forward thinking. Woke is the linchpin of DeSantis’ campaign which seems not to be gaining traction with too many potential voters. People are not responding positively to his biased, bigoted agenda, but it could also be that he presents as an unlikable, chronic complainer.
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Well, the use of this term by a Reich-winger provides a very quick means for determine just how ignorant that person is. Listening to this word come out of one of these people’s mouths is like glancing at this guy’s sign:

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cx: for determining
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We need an Edit function.
Great shot. Maybe he’s referring to Jason Moran? Brilliant pianist but I doubt that fella in the picture would be into his style. More of a jazz purist. They can get pretty touchy about modern day excesses.
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My kingdom for the ability to edit comments in WordPress.
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The entire “woke” thing drives me crazy. As much as people telling me how it is an ASTERICK, not an ASTERISK. And Dilbert’s “Blue Duck.” Far too much time to explain the usage. It reminds me of my students and the “hyphy movement” along with other “kids’s speak” stuff. Mr. Charvet you are “fly”. What? I can fly? No you are cool for who you are. Not many can be as “fly” as you. Wow, thanks. Then I was “bad”. Wait, you mean bad as “I am a bad teacher?” No, no. Bad as cool. You’re “baaaaaaaad!” But yesterday you said I was “sick” right? Yeah, “sick” art teacher. But I am healthy…Charvet, dude, you are a “sick teacher.” Charvet, that lesson was “dope.” Was it that bad? Wait, good? You tell me. Charvet, it’s been a “minute” and I don’t remember. Then they duped me with the words from the “Hyphy Movement” and “ride the yellow bus” along with “purp” “thizz” and numerous other Bay Area lingo. When they were creating art projects, “Hey Charvet. Can I paint a yellow school bus? And then I noticed a lot of purple being used as well. And the word “purp” came up. I liked the word “thizz” as I could rhyme with it. Silly me, I simply wasn’t “woke” to their world. So, as I always do (before I assume) I did my research and found out all about the hyphy movement and the “lingo” it used. Boy, my knowledge was completely “bootsie” on the subject. But, in the end, I laughed (I think we all laughed) and reminded them just because I was ignorant to their word choices, to be careful at school because others would not agree with the way I handled things. So, as always, keep things appropriate at school. I learned. They learned. And just as I told them, “Dudes, I am hip to your jive,but it’s all copasetic.” In sum, too many things go viral too fast and people just believe it. “Really do I have to learn? Charvet just tell us. Do we have to read? Do I have to look it up and really use my brain? I would expect that from a kid, but not Congress. Back in the day, we had to go to the library and it closed at 5 p.m. and not open on weekends. With all our sophisticated technology, you are telling me, a congress person cannot define the “woke” and “white nationalism”? As I would do, “Use the word in a sentence to explain.” Silly me. https://www.complex.com/music/a/steven-j-horowitz/hyphy-oral-history and https://www.ksbw.com/article/hyphy-a-guide-to-bay-area-slang/1296771
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I messed up asterisk for some years because I was a fan of Asterix and Obelix.
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@Flerp — so true. We all make mistakes, but what irks me are those who are cognizant of what they are saying and say it regardless. Like my grandpa called my best friend Dan, Dave all the time. He just liked to be funny. He knew his name was Dan. But these people in Congress who claim to be “intelligent” are proving each day they cannot Google definitions, use a dictionary, and making us all aware there is no intelligence test for being in Congress. You are 2 KOOL 4 SKOOL! Happy Weekend.
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It’s not easy to stay current. Besides the effort; it requires an open mind. I did everything I could to keep up with their words and phrases and the kids were good about helping me out.
I was playing a lot of solo acoustic slide guitar when I first started teaching. My students were seriously into rap. Tough kids.
They caught wind that I played and said I should bring my ax in. I told them they might not be able to relate to country/blues stuff. But they insisted.
So cool: I set up a groove and they took turns (which blew me away to begin with) improvising rap over it. This was before Bloomberg took over the schools. Teachers were given a lot of latitude. I made it into a writing lesson. Editing and revision included. They were so into it they didn’t know it was “work”. Honing their craft. I still have some recordings on cassettes.
Part of “Woke” is respecting people for who they are and being willing to meet them halfway.
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@gitapik — Too funny, I am not a musician, but one of my students was known for really tearing it up on the guitar. I am a small amplifier and brought it to school. I kept saying, “Michael, bring your guitar and play.” One day, he finally did. He was tearing it up in the classroom at lunchtime and all the kids were flooding my room to hear. The principal came running because surely there was a fight going on. He walked in and smiled. I told him, “That was ‘good noise’ eh? He was super person. But soon left after the school district screwed him over — left midyear. I would always find the kids’ “diamonds” and try to promote them. Lyle, my middle school student, who was slated for expulsion was a harmonic player. So, when I got the chance to be the activity advisor, I told him, “Lyle you are going out with a bang!” I put together the awards assembly and rather than it be all the kids sitting on the black top in the sun, more of a variety show. I got the kids up on stage who never were recognized. One girl player her mandolin. The drama kids put together a kit. I made it so it wasn’t boring and tried to get everyone involved. The acts were in-between the same ol’ kids getting rewarded for being the smartest in the school. Oh, Lyle — he got up there and brought the show home. His mother thanked me for making his end of year removal soooo positive. When I taught continuation, there were many kids who played instruments and every chance I got I tried to involve them in our assemblies. There were two young men who were excellent guitarists (not Michael but some other cool kids). I begged to let them play at one of our assemblies. They did. Great. Kids were into it. Kids were cheering. I found another person who was so smart, but had all Fs. She had an A in choir from the comprehensive school. One day I told her, “You know enough of the boring essay, write a song to explain your assignment.” She did. And, another student said, “Let me compose the music.” Then, once again, I said, “This should be done at graduation!” So beautiful. The epitome of applied learning and would make the kids shine. It was shut down. “We don’t have enough time for this.” My colleague said, “You ARE NOT CUTTING this out of the program and we will MAKE TIME. We did. Parents were in tears. Beautiful, just beautiful. The “suits” say it’s for the kids. When it is their time to shine, there is no time. Bunch of jerks. And, lastly, we had the Senior night. One of my students received my “Art Scholarship Award.” I told the audience, “You know if she had never failed, she would have never been in my class, and would have been another kid believing she was a nothing. Because she failed, I was fortunate to let her “diamond shine” and now she is a huge success hopefully moving on with her art. You know FAIL is just “First Attempt In Learning.” Kids see it and more so feel who really has their backs. Loved it. Thanks for reminding me of those great moments.
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“ The “suits” say it’s for the kids”
If you have to say it, ya don’t mean it.
“When it is their time to shine, there is no time. Bunch of jerks. And, lastly, we had the Senior night. One of my students received my “Art Scholarship Award.” I told the audience, “You know if she had never failed, she would have never been in my class, and would have been another kid believing she was a nothing. Because she failed, I was fortunate to let her “diamond shine” and now she is a huge success hopefully moving on with her art. You know FAIL is just “First Attempt In Learning.” Kids see it and more so feel who really has their backs. Loved it. Thanks for reminding me of those great moments”.
Love it so much. We’d work well together.🍻
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But then again, what do I know? All we did in my classroom was CRAP. Oh…Creative Responses After Processing. And yes, sometimes the feces did hit the rotary oscillator. But we all survived and many who got “woke” are doing quite well.
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“rotary oscillator”???
Hmmm. . . To go in circles while going back and forth???
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Sounds like a slinky to me.
One eventually gets to the end.
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@ Duane “Hockey Pro” -Goes for the save! – Yes, and, of course, when things got really messy, I had to clean it all up as usual figuratively and literally.
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Did we get through with a discussion without noting that “woke” as a word in modern discourse was deliberately warped by Chris Rufo? He used the “liberal media” to spread a reactionary view of ideas that were being described by an observer of the controversy surrounding the murder of George Floyd. The observer was very close to the original Leadbelly usage, and Rufo knew he had to destroy the image or lose the fight. He might lose the fight yet.
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Speaking of George Floyd, a classics professor at Princeton was the subject of a controversy following Floyd’s death. The professor wrote an article that was published. Readers could infer that the professor viewed a specific group of Black people who spoke out about the injustice of the death as engaged in unlawful violence vs. lawful protest. Related to George’s death, a group of faculty wrote to senior administrators at Princeton requesting a more active anti-racist position for the school.
A campus website used the story about the classics professor’s views to make a point. The President of Princeton objected very strongly to the content of the classics professor’s article. And, he refused to censor
the website. Inside Higher Ed. wrote about it, 4-11-2022,
“Free Speech for Me, and Thee?”
One of the signers of a letter supporting the classics professor is the employer of former Justice Thomas’ law clerk, Rajan Vasisht. Vasisht is in the news now because of a Venmo account and lawyers with cases before Thomas.
It appears a number of the same lawyers sign letters in support of conservatives. Vasisht’s employer signed one also for Kavanaugh and Georgetown’s hire, Ilya Shapiro (Koch network). George Weigel (EPPC), Michael Novak, Robert P. George are names that pop up on letters.
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He will lose the fight eventually.
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But will we be alive to see it?
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Yes. But it could get REALLY ugly before then.
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If anyone can explain how being antiracist is in opposition to Christianity, that would be golden. Walters, DeSantis, feel free to chime in and explain that one.
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Had quite an effort convincing the author of a law review article I was editing that “advancing towards” was bad usage. The scars are still visible.
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The author and creator of this written work of writing must most certainly and unequivocally without question have been firmly determined to stick like glue to his selected choice of lexical terminology and wasn’t about to let any presumptuous and impudent upstart person or personage aggressively assail his everyday, quotidian usage. That’s someone (or some person) who quite definitely cares concernedly about his, her, or their usaging. Respectful esteem for that!
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I just shortened it to “asshole.” He was a civil servant, and they were often among the most difficult to edit. Law professors not so much, although I once threatened one with pistols at dawn over comma-splice errors.And which/that was often on the menu as well.
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I spent much of a lifetime working as an editor and have many such stories!
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I like to respond “Yes, I am woke. But the more important question is, why aren’t you Mr. (MO) Attorney General (and others)?
If that sounds familiar, it’s borrowed from the “American President” – a favorite movie (it’s the precursor to “The West Wing,”) When being chastised by his nasty conservative opponent, the President, Michael Douglas, responds:
“For the record: yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU. But the more important question is, why aren’t you, Bob?”
Call them out on it. They can’t define it. So define it for them.
Awakened. Aware. Educated. Objective. Using data. Calling out haters and hate and hate speech and acts of discrimination.
And make them explain why they are not.
Of course they can’t define it. Any way they try to spin “being awake” makes them look stupid and bad.
“What’s next?” (couldn’t resist)
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Is there a nation in which the right wing advances of religious extremists have ever been fought off successfully?
In some other nations, there is, at least, fighting between major sects which retards the creep (or tsunami). In the US, the sects saw the advantage to consolidation (Buchanan tells the story at his post in an interview with Ryan Girdusky, founder of the 1776 PAC).
The fight against religious extremism isn’t taken to the door of the specific sects, instead the enemy is generalized to the PC, “Christian nationalism” – which, clearly, has resulted in a lack of strategy for wins by the left.
I’d like to have hope but, the international leader of the major political, religious sect can’t stop the sect within the United States and, the church retains enough rank and file members to be powerful, their organizations are the nation’s 3rd largest employer, the sect’s religious school employers have been exempted from civil rights employment law by their court (the highest in the land) and, their sympathizers- those who publicly tell us they are advancing the “kingdom”-
are well placed throughout the spheres of right wing influence. They have a network that has built a ladder for promotional, political ascendency for the”faithful.”
Greg’s bleak outlook is confirmed for me.
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Well, the American electorate has been rendering its opinion, of late, of Mr. War on Woke. LMAO.
Dear Anti-Woke Crusader: “There’s something happen’ here, and you don’t know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?”
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The anti-woke crusaders think, for example, that the fact that they have lost American young people is due to indoctrination in public schools. Idiots. It’s due to significant cultural change that is FAR BROADER. The anti-woke folk might as well have a sword drawn against the incoming tide. There, tide, take that. ROFLMAO.
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Millions of young adults in about 5-10 years are going to wake up (aka “woke”) and look their parents in the eye and say “What the… did you do? You voted for…?”
Especially when a bold college application includes: Write an essay (you know, an essay) on how literature has shaped you as a student and person?
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Stupid or, at best, ill informed people in positions of power. 😶🌫️ And State Superintendent of Education, no less.
I’m pretty sure he’s referring to the style of education that was prevalent in the late 1940s-50s, Peter. That’s what I grew up with and there wasn’t much talk about anything that would hurt this little white boy’s feelings. No need to redefine the Tulsa Massacre because…well: we hadn’t been told anything about it, in the first place.
I’ll not be visiting Oklahoma anytime in the near or distant future. And I’m sure Mr Walters won’t be inviting me.
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Same here. I was taught in high-school a completely sanitized, whitewashed version of American history, and it is this that the Reich-wingers want to return to.
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They want nationalist mythology, not history, taught in schools. So did Joseph Goebbels.
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Woke, eh? Of course we’re indoctrinating your children in our schools, we’re teaching them that democracy is the only acceptable, just form of government and that things like racism, greed, selfishness and misogyny are bad and wrong. You always have the right to homeschool or send your children to your private “christian” schools where you can raise them to be the same kind of illiterate racist white trash that their parents are. If it was good enough for your daddy, …
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Wesley, thank you for adding your comment.
When I comment at the blog, I often pose questions similar to the following. Which religious sects would you include in “Christian schools”? Do they include a sect that takes credit for school choice legislation in various states? Do they include a sect that co-hosts school choice rallies with the Koch’s AFP? Do they include a sect that altered the US Pledge of Allegiance recited by their students to include church doctrine? Do they include a sect that has a council of bishops submitting amicus briefs for court cases that harm women and people who are gay? Is the sect that gained exemption from civil rights employment law included (Biel v. St. James Catholic school)? Do they include the sect that lobbies via state conferences in almost all 50 states primarily in support of the GOP agenda?
Do they include a sect that had 63% of its white members who attend church regularly as Trump supporters in 2020?
When the term “Christian” schools is used, does the public think of Catholic schools?
I appreciate your consideration of my questions. I recommend to all who are willing to have open minds to read a research paper at the Scielo site. The paper is broader than the title indicates and references the US- “The new official contents of sex education in Mexico: laicism in the crosshairs.”
Regards
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