This is one of the most brilliant articles I have read in many years. It answers the question that constantly arises: why do poor people vote for a political party that offers them nothing but alarming narratives about the Other?
Thom Hartmann explains that if you get people to vote for racism, against trans people, and against other imaginary threats, they will ignore the facts of poverty, health care, and the extreme income inequality and wealth inequality that characterizes our nation today.
Hartmann writes:
There’s a popular internet meme going around that says:
“Say you’re in a room with 400 people. Thirty-six of them don’t have health insurance. Forty-eight of them live in poverty. Eighty-five are illiterate. Ninety have untreated mental illnesses. And every day, at least one person is shot. But two of them are trans, so you decide ruining their lives is your top priority.”
Consider some of the basic realities of life in modern America:
— Almost 30 million Americans lack health insurance altogether, and 43 percent of Americans are so badly under-insured that any illness or accident costing them more than $1000 in co-pays or deductibles would wipe them out.
— Almost 12 percent of Americans, over 37 million of us, live in dire poverty. According to OECD numbers, while only 5 percent of Italians and 11 percent of Japanese workers toil in low-wage jobs, almost a quarter of Americans — 23 percent — work for wages that can’t support a normal lifestyle. (And low-income Japanese and Italians have free healthcare and college.)
— More than one-in-five Americans — 21 percent — are illiterate. By fourth grade, a mere 35 percent of American children are literate at grade level, as our public schools suffer from a sustained, two-decade-long attack by Republicans at both state and federal levels.
— Fully a quarter of Americans (26 percent) suffer from a diagnosable mental illness in any given year: over half of them (54 percent) never receive treatment and, because of cost and a lack of access to mental health care, of the 46 percent who do get help, the average time from onset of symptoms to the first treatment is 11 years.
— Every day in America an average of 316 people are shot and 110 die from their wounds. Gun violence is now the leading cause of death for American children, a situation not suffered by the children of any other country in theworld.
And these are just the tip of the iceberg of statistics about how Americans suffer from Reagan’s forty-year-long GOP war on working-class and poor people.
— Almost half (44 percent) of American adults carry student debt, a burden virtually unknownin any other developed country in the world (dozens of countries actually pay their young people to go to college).
— Americans spend more than twice as much for healthcare and pharmaceuticals than citizens of any other developed country. We pay $11,912 per person per year for healthcare; it’s $5,463 in Australia, $4,666 in Japan, $5496 in France, and $7,382 in Germany (the most expensive country outside of us).
And we don’t get better health or a longer lifespan for all the money; instead, it’s just lining the pockets of rich insurance, pharma, and hospital executives and investors, with hundreds of billions in profits every year.
— The average American life expectancy is 78.8 years: Canada is 82.3, Australia is 82.9, Japan is 84.4, France is 83.0, and Germany is 81.3.
— Our public schools are an underfunded mess, as are our highways and public transportation systems. While every other developed country in the world has high-speed train service, we still suffer under a privatized rail system that prevents Amtrak from running even their most modern trains at anything close to their top speeds.
Given all this, it’s reasonable to ask why Republicans across the nation insist that the country’s most severe problems are teaching Black History and trans kids wanting to be recognized for who they are.
If you give it a minute’s thought, though, the answer becomes pretty obvious. We have a billionaire problem, compounded by a bribery problem, and the combination of the two is tearing our republic apart.
The most visible feature of the Reagan Revolution was dropping the top income tax bracket for the morbidly rich from 74 percent down to 27 percent and then shooting the tax code so full of loopholes that today’s average American billionaire pays only 3.4 percent income tax. Many, like Trump for decades, pay nothing or next to nothing at all. (How much do you pay?)
But for a few dozen, maybe a hundred, of America’s billionaires that’s not enough.
Afflicted with the hoarding syndrome variant of obsessive compulsive disorder, there is never enough money for them no matter how many billions they accumulate.
If they’d been born poor or hadn’t gotten a lucky break, they’d be living in apartments with old newspapers and tin cans stacked floor-to-ceiling; instead, they have mansions, yachts, and virtual money bins worthy of Scrooge McDuck.
That in and of itself wouldn’t be so problematic if those same billionaires hadn’t worked together to get Clarence Thomas to cast the tie-breaking vote in the Citizens United case a few billionaires helped bring before the Supreme Court.
After Thomas and his wife, Ginni, were showered with millions in gifts and lavish vacations, the corrupt Supreme Court justice joined four of his colleagues — several of whom (Scalia, Roberts) were similarly on thetake — to legalize political bribery of politicians and Supreme Court justices.
The rubric they used was to argue that money isn’t really money; it’s actually “free speech,” so the people with the most money get to have the loudest and most consequential voices in our political and judicial discourse.
To compound the crisis, they threw in thenotion that corporations aren’t corporations but, instead, are “persons” fully deserving of the human rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights, the first ten Amendments to theConstitution — including the First Amendment right of free speech (now redefined as money).
In the forty-two years since the start of the Reagan Revolution, bought-off politicians have so altered our tax code that fully $51 trillion has moved from the homes and savings of working class Americans into the money bins of the morbidly rich.
As a result, America today is the most unequal developed nation in the world and the situation gets worse every day: many of our billionaires are richer than any pharaoh or king in the history of the world, while a family lifestyle that could be comfortably supported by a single income in 1980 takes two people working full-time to maintain today.
In the years since the Court first began down this road in 1976, the GOP has come to be entirely captured by this handful of mentally ill billionaires and the industries that made them rich.
As a result, Republican politicians refuse to do anything about the slaughter of our children with weapons of war; ignore or ridicule the damage fossil fuel-caused global warming is doing to our nation and planet; and continue to lower billionaire and corporate taxes every time they get full control of the federal or a state government.
The price of all this largesse for America’s billionaires is defunding the social safety net, keeping the minimum wage absurdly low, and gutting support for education and public services.
While there are still a few Democrats who are openly and proudly on the take (Manchin, Sinema, the corporate “problem solvers” in Congress), most of the Democratic Party has figured out how severe the damage of these neoliberal policies has been.
In the last session of Congress, for example, the For The People Act passed the House of Representatives with near-united Democratic votes (and not a single Republican) and only died in the Senate when Manchin and Sinema refused to go along with breaking a Republican filibuster.
The Act would have rolled back large parts of Citizens United by limiting big money in politics, providing for publicly funded elections, restoring our political bribery laws, and ending many of the GOP’s favorite voter suppression tactics.
All of this, then, brings us back around to that meme that opened this article:
Why are rightwing billionaires funding “activist” groups and politicians who’re trying to end the teaching of Black History and make the lives of trans people miserable?
When you think about it a minute — and look at the headlines in the news — the answer becomes apparent: as long as we’re all fighting with each other about history or gender, the “hoarding syndrome billionaires” and their corporations are free to continue pillaging America while ripping off working people and their families.

Another part of the “Reagan revolution” was to end both the fairness doctrine and the rule that a corporation could only own six television stations, six AM radio stations, and six FM radio stations.
Coupled, those rules meant there were far more voices fifty years ago. The corporate consolidation of newspapers once would have once brought anti-trust action, but not now.
The Gannettization of local newspapers means a “local” story in central Florida may feature West Palm Beach and have no localization at all.
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Yes, a very good observation, that is why 98% of talk radio is right wing flame throwers.
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WOW…very insightful and SPOT-
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The fleecing of America’s working class has been a bipartisan effort.
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Nailed it
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So, U.S. is, no longer, the “big daddy” of the world, the forefront of what other countries want to be, and this deterioration began back in the Trump era, and it’s just, sliding down that slippery slope, until everything hits, rock bottom, which will still be a LONG while from current days, until everything started, bouncing back up again.
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Hardly began in the Trump era. Maybe when the U.S. got mired in a quagmire in Afghanistan for 20 years. Maybe when we turned Libya into a slave state. Maybe when we squander our 9/11 good will by invading a country that had nothing to do with it. Maybe when we lied about Nicaragua, Guatamala and El Salvador, supporting right-wing death squads in each. Maybe when we invaded Grenada, of all places. Maybe when we lost Vietnam to a bunch of peasants in sandals. Maybe when we deployed chemical weapons all over Southeast Asia. Maybe many other points in history, but all well before Trump continued the downward spiral.
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“Maybe when we lost Vietnam to a bunch of peasants in sandals.”
The cultural and racist bias in this statement is unbelievable. Really? “a bunch of peasants in sandals”???
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I agree, this is horribly insulting to the Viet Cong!
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Well before. Boyz will be boyz, if by “boyz” one means genocidal colonial murderers
“In 1898 we could not help being brought face to face with the problem of war with Spain. All we could decide was
whether we should shrink like cowards from the contest or enter into it as beseemed a brave and high-spirited people; and, once in, whether failure or success should crown our banners. So it is now. We cannot avoid the responsibilities that confront us in Hawaii, Cuba, [Puerto] Rico and the Philippines…. The timid man, the lazy man, the man who
distrusts his country, the over-civilized man, who has lost the great fighting, masterful virtues, the ignorant men, and a
man of dull mind, whose soul is incapable of feeling the mighty life that thrills ‘strong men with empires in their brains’ –all these, of course, shrink from seeing the nation undertake its new duties; shrink from seeing us build a navy and an army adequate to our needs; shrink from seeing us do our share of the world’s work, by bringing order out of chaos in the great, fair tropic islands from which the valor of our soldiers and sailors has driven the Spanish flag. These are the men who fear the strenuous life, who fear the only national life which is really worth leading.”
— Theodore Roosevelt, “The Strenuous Life,” speech to the Hamilton Club of Chicago, 1899, a men’s club
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That was Roosevelt declaring a manifest destiny that would go well beyond our borders and extend to all parts of the globe–Roosevelt throwing down the gauntlet of imperialism and empire. Make no mistake about it, this is the course we pursued. We have about 750 known (as opposed to clandestine) military bases in 80 countries around the world. We have a military budget just shy of a trillion dollars a years ($857.9 billion in fiscal year 2023). These provide the basis for world security, and particularly, for security in open trade among nations–the Pax Americana. Oddly, the average American does not see himself her herself as a citizen of an empire. But we are, though for the most part we decided to go a noncolonial route. That has proved successful, though certainly getting there wasn’t pretty. In “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians,” international war criminal Vladimir Putin argued for the creation, going forward of a colonial Greater Russian Empire.
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Thom Hartmann is the antidote to such vile right wing gargoyles as Hannity, Tucker C, Praeger Nonuniversity, Ann Coulter, Dinesh D’Souza, Laura Ingraham, etc., ad nauseam.
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yup
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Hartmann uses his considerable knowledge of history, politics and public policy to support his assertions. He mentions the Citizens United decision and the “personhood” status of corporations that enables them to buy public policy. If corporations are people, they should have to follow the tax code for people. They should not have access to the many loopholes and tax avoidance strategies they employ to avoid paying their fair tax share. They should have to pay taxes on their profits at the same rate that a person would have to pay, if a person had earned millions or billions of dollars. Like charter schools seek out the label of being a person or corporation when it benefits them. Corporations want to be people when they can influence elections with unlimited amounts of dark money, and they claim their corporate status when paying taxes.
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YUP. Many people would love to pay a flat 21% tax and to be able to decide when their own tax year will end.
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IMHO, “this deteriorization began” in the Reagan era and Trump is a result. And then too, democrats have not been able to stall this downward spiral. Depressing.
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Democrats, particularly the corporate branch of the party, played a role as well. Lots of blue collar workers became disillusioned when Clinton joined NAFTA, put lots of Americans out of work, and never offered the alternative employment to these folks that are now bitter and resentful, and many of them are now wearing MAGA hats, unfortunately.
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Agreed, rt, but I think it goes back further. Carter did some very good things, but he was also our first neoliberal Dem prez, mainly in terms of dereg. Ford started a bipartisan dereg of transportation; Carter worked with his people, and results were good.
But then Carter took it too far with dereg czar Alfred Kahn, initiated anti-union dereg of the trucking industry and more– and of course Reagan put all that on steroids. By the time Clinton-era Congress repealed key provisions of the Glass-Steagall with the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act, Glass-Steagall had been chipped away at by Congress since the ‘60s and was virtually dead. [Personally, I remember changes in banking law in the late ‘70s that allowed me to bank more profitably through my broker…]
No question Clinton continued pursuit of offshoring mfg sector via NAFTA, continuing what Reagan started– so yes, “bipartisan”– but we’d already lost a lot of the mfg sector by early ‘90s. I suppose that was Dems path to winning elections again after 12 yrs of Reps. Dems were running scared by then after routs of McGovern, Carter, Mondale and Dukakis – scared even of the term “liberal.” Reps by then had dialed so far toward “conservative” that Dems felt compelled to continue that “3rd way”—neoliberal—which was scarcely distinguishable from the neoconservatives of Reagan era.
We are only barely beginning to climb out of that now under Biden policies, which are only beginning to inch back toward supporting working class…
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It began when right wing Catholic and protestant power brokers formed a political axis. Ryan Girdusky (founder of the 1776 PAC) explains it in a 2014 interview posted at the Buchanan site.
As Jefferson warned, the priest and the despot aligned.
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I would not put it precisely that way—that’s not when “it” [the ultra rw movement] began. That was underway long before, but staying under wraps after Goldwater’s crushing defeat, & they considered bringing in the evangelists as a deadly move [ultimately they may have been correct].
But the ’79 Catholic-evangelist-Moral Majority handshake was an important piece. It energized the evangelist cohort politically, which prior was sluggish politically, only stirred to vote against integrated schools, and that was already a fading cause by then. Before late ‘70s, S Baptist Convention went on record several times supporting abortion in 1st trimester, and disdainfully considered the pro-life movement as “a Catholic issue.”
It took Rep strategists, & ultra-rw Catholics, & certain key figures among evangelists to whip up abortion into a political issue that could get evangelists to the polls in a new, perseverant mission. Along the way to today, they could be convinced by other gradual social changes that their way of life was in danger.
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There’s a big difference between protecting your “way of life” and forcing it on others.
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If corporations are people, I should be able to marry one.
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Chuck and Apple, do you take one another to be awful, wedded partners, to have and to hold until death do you apart?
[This oath is being administered by Enlightened Master Bob of the Omnitheist Church of Turtle Island. Record your response.]
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“a mere 35 percent of American children are literate at grade level, as our public schools suffer from a sustained, two-decade-long attack by Republicans at both state and federal levels.”
I guess cutting and pasting bullsh!t proficiency stats is totally fine as long as you’re using them to blame your political opponents.
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My guess is ChatGPT writes a lot of the prodigious Hartmann output these days.
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Anyone using chatbots has to be exceedingly careful to review what they write because bullshit is a pretty common output.
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Correct, that stuck out like a sore thumb in an otherwise good analysis. If Hartmann knew enough about ed to consult NAEP scores over the years [and their achievement prescriptors], he’d know that grade-level literacy in 4th & 8th grades is more like 65%-70%.
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NAEP proficient is outstanding performance, like A.
The number to worry about is “below basic.”
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It is almost humorous to hear democrats bemoan the general political malaise of Americans about the state of our economy when Congress achieved so much the first two years of the Biden Administration. While the Federal Reserve tinkers with the Economics 101 definition of inflation or job growth climbs, policy makers are clueless about the actual conditions on the ground. The defunding of public education k-college means that more is coming out of family pockets to get their kids to adulthood. While ACA provided some relief for health insurance, the numbers cited in this piece clearly illustrate that “average” Americans are scared to death (literally) of the next medical emergency around the corner and hundreds of thousands per year continue to go into bankruptcy due to said emergency. Too many adults are now dedicating up to half of their income for housing while 58% of Americans cannot afford a $400 emergency. Oh yeah, student debt is troubling, but personal debt is even worse. Too many are waiting for the next recession to pull them into poverty. This is why Americans are down on the economy. We’re all on our own.
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Lots of Americans lose their homes when they go bankrupt due to a health emergency. Medical debt is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in this country.
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Excellent post Paul Bonner & agree 100%.
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Watch “Inside Job”,2010
documentary film about
“the systemic corruption of
the United States by the
financial services industry”.
Note the “players”, enabled by
both red/blue liars.
Note the clash between gov
approved lessons and reality.
Do ya still see em wearing
their gov selected
“demo duds”?
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The thing is, although its economic policies are more favorable to the poor than Republican policies, the Democratic Party’s outlook and “vibe” is essentially affluent, educated, and professional.
Low-income people are generally more socially conservative than the affluent, educated professionals. The only way I can imagine people are still confused about this is that they never interact with poor people.
This might have to be a long-term project, because changing branding takes time, but if the Democrats keyed their messaging on hot-button culture war issues to be more in step with how the poor and the middle-class actually see the world, the Republicans would have a very, very hard time competing. IMHO.
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You mean like hating gay people? Hating drag queens? Hating trans kids? Censoring accurate accounts of racial brutality in our history? Those issues play well with low-income, uneducated people. If Democrats played the hate card, they might as well be Republicans.
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No, not like “hating” people.
One example: Drop support for affirmative action. It’s deeply unpopular, even among minorities.
Another example: Don’t let Republicans suggest that Democrats are the party that’s fine with biological men competing against women in sports. It’s a manifestly silly position that is becoming more and more unpopular, even among Democrat voters. This doesn’t mean “hating trans people.” Democrats can distinguish themselves from Republicans on the “hate” part by advocating for tolerance.
Another example: Don’t support teaching gender identity in elementary school. That doesn’t mean you ban it through legislation, but don’t take public positions that equate parents who don’t like gender theory being taught in elementary school with hateful bigots.
And then, support national healthcare–which would help all Americans, including trans people and minorities, so much more than any of the above.
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I don’t think trans women should compete in women’s sports. But FLERP, I oppose efforts to ban gender-affirming care which—like abortion—lets politicians override the judgment of medical professionals.
Is gender theory taught in elementary school? Where is the evidence?
Should elementary school kids be allowed to read “And Tango Makes Three,” a true story about two male penguins raising a baby penguin? Yes. Should children be allowed to read books that teach tolerance for all? Yes.
Leave the hate issues to the QAnon people
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We’ve been through this on this blog. Yes, there are instances of elementary school teachers incorporating gender theory in the classroom — teaching students about how some people are “non-binary,” using the “gender unicorn,” reading “board book” stories that about gender identity, etc. Is it widespread? Probably not. But denying it ever happens when people know it sometimes does is not the way just looks like bad faith, and it definitely does not demonstrate that the Dems oppose this sort of thing.
If the Dems can’t do this, then let’s at least stop pretending that we’re confused about why just under half the people in the U.S. will not vote for a Democrat for President. The Democrats are largely a party that reflects the values of affluent, educated professionals. That is the brand. Thomas Frank has written fairly convincingly about this. Some of those values (pro-choice; opposition to cutting “entitlement” spending) are shared by most of the country. The ones that aren’t should be jettisoned for the greater good of getting a firm majority of Americans on board with something like guaranteed healthcare for all.
That’s my opinion, at least.
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I prefer to support the party of the educated rather than the party of the uneducated, who refuse to believe in science, swallow every conspiracy theory, and oppose being vaccinated.
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FLERP! is correct. HRC said the quiet part out loud when she called a large group of people “Deplorables”. She was clearly the winner in that debate….until she said it out loud on national TV. Democrats have this air of “we know what’s best for you…trust us!” when they have no stinking idea what it’s like to live and survive in this mess of a country that they have helped to mold.
I appreciate that Biden says it doesn’t matter if it’s a red state or a blue state when it comes to national disaster relief…. and I believe that he means that. I believe that Biden has gotten a lot done. I just wish he and his administration would at least acknowledge that many Dem voters are not happy with their dismissive attitude on the “lesser” policies that directly affect citizens every single day. I changed my voter status to “I” and I will not come back to a party that seems to ignore the basic needs of its base.
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The majority who voted people like Matt Gaetz, Ron DeSantis and Marjorie Taylor Green into office are deplorable.
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The folks who voted for Gaetz and DeSantis are DeFloridabull.
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LisaM says: “HRC said the quiet part out loud when she called a large group of people “Deplorables”
And LisaM demonstrates why Dems lose — too many gullible people who get their information from sources influenced by right wing talking points instead of thinking for themselves.
This is what HRC said, and now cue the people who all probably agree with this statement who will now say that you can only trust that she’s telling the truth when you take her words out of context, so since they likely agree with this, she must be lying.
“there’s so much more than I find deplorable in his campaign: the way that he cozies up to white supremacist, makes racist attacks, calls women pigs, mocks people with disabilities — you can’t make this up. He wants to round up and deport 16 million people, calls our military a disaster. And every day he says something else which I find so personally offensive, but also dangerous. You know, the idea of our country is so rooted in continuing progress that we make together. Our campaign slogan is not just words. We really do believe that we are stronger together. We really do believe that showing respect and appreciation for one another lifts us all up.
And it’s a special commitment that I feel to continuing to fight alongside the LGBT community. Because this is one of the continuing struggles. …. But somewhere right now in this city is a kid has been kicked out of his house. Somewhere not far from here, maybe a suburb or across state lines, is a young girl who is just not sure what her future holds because she just doesn’t feel like she’s herself and no one understands that. Some kid getting off the bus at the Port Authority and somebody’s waiting to take advantage of that scared but brave kid looking for a different life and a future that actually belongs to him or her.
We still have a lot of work to do. And if you think of the work we have to do in our own country, it pales in comparison to the word we have to do around the world. And I’m grateful that in this room are so many people who have broken down barriers, stood up to discrimination and bigotry, fought for the rights of everyone. I was in North Carolina just yesterday and I told them, it’s not only that discrimination is wrong. It’s bad for business. That state which was led down a pathway of discrimination is seeing the results — losing jobs, losing the NBA all star game. Who wants to be associated with a governor and a legislation who set out to hurt the people they’re supported to be representing and protecting?
In too many places still, LGBT Americans are singled out for harassment and violence. You can get married on Saturday, post your pictures on Sunday, and get fired on Monday. That’s why we’ve got to continue the forward march of progress.
And we cannot do it alone. I cannot do it alone. I’m not like Donald Trump who says ‘I alone can fix it.’ I’ve never quire figure out what it is he alone can fix.
But that’s not what you’ll hear from me. I think we have to do this together. So, together we’re gonna pass the Equality Act to guarantee full equality. We’re going to put comprehensive quality affordable health care within reach for more people, including for mental health and addiction. We’re gonna take on youth homelessness, and as my wonderful, extraordinary, great daughter said, we are going to end the cruel and dangerous practice of conversion therapy. We’re going to keep working toward an AIDS-free generation, a goal that I set as secretary of state, and with your help we’re going to pass comprehensive gun laws…
I know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment.
[HERE IS THE MONEY QUOTE, IN CONTEXT:]
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?
The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. BUT THE OTHER BASKET — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but THAT OTHER BASKET OF PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS LET THEM DOWN, THE ECONOMY HAS LET THEM DOWN, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. THEY DON’T BUY EVERYTHING HE SAYS, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHIZE WITH AS WELL.”
HRC got it, while folks here who have no idea who these people are purport to speak for them and care about them, and attack HRC from their overprivileged position.
There ARE deplorable Trump voters and it is sickening to hear people making excuses for their violence and hate. And there are the other Trump voters who HRC understood – the people who condemned her did not – who she wanted to help.
I grew up in what is now Trump country and I find it ridiculous to hear people without a clue who have the hypocrisy to lump all Trump voters into one basket as non-deplorables and then claim that HRC – who so carefully and truthfully explained the differences among them – was the one putting all Trump voters in a single basket.
But it is the first step to fascism for supposedly thoughtful people to defend ALL Trump voters without recognizing that some were drawn to the deplorable and ugly rhetoric.
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Thank you, NYCPSP
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There should be more room in the Democratic Party for the less educated. There used to be.
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FLERP, no one has to pass a literacy test to vote Democratic. The GOP has adopted a strategy of campaigning on wedge issues to hide the fact that they are pawns of the 1% and will do nothing to help the poor and uneducated. Dems talk issues, GOP runs on phony appeals like criminalizing drag queens, “protecting the vote” by restricting it, and racism.
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Adding my thanks, NYC
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Have it your way. (It’s the status quo so your way has already won.) The “the Dems are right and the Republicans are wrong and that’s that” attitude will keep us where we are, forever scrapping to win the electoral college, fighting tooth and nail to keep control of the Senate by a hair, unable to maintain control of the House consistently, Republicans in control of 30 state legislatures, etc. Until the tent gets bigger, until the Dem brand is not associated with sneering at deplorables because they don’t like affirmative action or drag queen story hour, this is the way it goes.
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FLERP, I assume you want Democrats to denounce drag queens, gay marriage, and promise to restore Confederate monuments. Maybe pledge to let Southern states fly Confederate battle flags and censor Black history.
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Once again your assumptions are way off.
This mentality is deeply entrenched now, and coupled with the algorithmic sorting of what people see on the internet, and the unspoken requirement that allies must agree on 100% of the correct positions, it ensures that the way things are today is how they’re going to be for decades to come.
And otherwise intelligent people will continue to ask why so many people vote against their material interests.
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FLERP,
I can’t pander to uneducated people who don’t believe in science, medicine, and don’t want to learn history.
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Here’s an admittedly absurd hypothetical, but one that can serve as a thought experiment.
If there were a world where (1) universal healthcare was enacted with broad support but (2) Drag Queen Story Hour was banned, would you choose it? I would.
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FLERP! says: “If there were a world where (1) universal healthcare was enacted with broad support but (2) Drag Queen Story Hour was banned, would you choose it? I would.”
I suggest everyone read the Ursula Le Guin short story “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas”.
Legitimizing giving people FALSE CHOICES is the road to fascism.
And it is pure idiocy to believe that “if only” the Dems would agree to ban Drag Queen Story Hours, it would be fine. If only the Dems would agree that welfare queens exist, it would be fine. If only Dems would agree that kindergarten students from gay families should be required to read books that exclusively defined proper families as having a born biologically female mother an d a born biologically male father, it would be fine.
NOT ONE of those things was a problem with the vast majority of Americans until the far right propaganda machine manufactured a problem and folks like flerp amplifying the lie that “gender theory” is being taught in elementary schools. Those folks have re-defined “gender theory” to include any teaching that normalizes trans kids instead of treating them as abnormal whose existence must never be mentioned to children – even if one happens to be a classmate!
Dems have be cowed by their far right propaganda machine for many, many decades. Flerp’s “advice” sounds like what I heard in the late 1980s, when Dems were told to run away from words like “liberal” after the propaganda machine made “card carrying liberal” synonymous with “they want your wife and children to be raped and murdered by a Black convict let out on furlough”. They were told to run away from universal healthcare (“socialized medicine with death panels making decisions for your family”).
Only now it is Drag Queen Story Hours that Dems should run away from. As if the far right won’t come up with ANOTHER INVENTED CRISIS and use their propaganda machine to convince “regular Americans” that this thing that never bothered them before is very dangerous and the Dems are trying to hurt their families.
Rather than to validate this lie “ban Drag Queen Story Hours” says a so-called moderate Dem brainwashed into believing that it is Drag Queen Story Hour holding up better legislation, the Dems need to call it out as the idiotic propaganda it is. Not push the false narrative we see here about how the Republicans are right that teachers in America are teaching “gender theory” to elementary school, but only alluding to this as some extreme danger which – if anyone ever actually saw it in practice – is at worse laughable and far LESS dangerous than the far more common practice of elementary school teachers treating gay families or trans people as something abnormal.
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” I believe that he means that. I believe that Biden has gotten a lot done. I just wish he and his administration would at least acknowledge that many Dem voters are not happy with their dismissive attitude on the “lesser” policies that directly affect citizens every single day.”
So having Drag Queen Story Hour is one of those “lesser” policies that directly affect citizens every single day, and Biden “dismisses” voters very real concerns that it must be banned?
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Am responding to this subthread way down under general comments to get more margin space…
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The Venn diagram of people who object to a hypothetical tradeoff as a “false choice” (yes it’s hypothetical) and people who think it’s racist to describe the Viet Cong as peasants in sandals (which is pretty much who they were — the sandals were made from old rubber tires) is a perfect circle.
You can’t have it all.
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The Venn diagram between people who think it is fine to ban drag queen story hour, and think that it is fine to ban all books that might make elementary school students believe gay families are normal, and who think that elementary schools are regularly teaching “gender identity” theories that dangerously turns “normal” children into “abnormal” trans and non-binary children is a perfect circle. Oh yes, and they like belittling an army as “peasants in sandals” and even double down on what they characterize as the admirable accuracy of this description of their footwear. I can’t imagine the derogatory description they give to Native Americans who fought the western colonizers – maize growers in moccasins? Funny how I have never heard the Continental army or any other army of primarily white soldiers described only by their supposedly low social class and footwear. No “peasants” fighting in American armies, right?
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Big fan of the Viet Cong, are you?
“Peasant” is not a derogatory term when used to describe people who were literally peasants.
Break out of your presentism, read a history book, and stop viewing everything through the lens of American social justice.
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FLERP!,
Why are you changing the subject? Since you believe it is totally appropriate to describe various region’s/country’s armed forces by their social class and footwear, why don’t you tell me the “respectful” way to do so with armies other than the Viet Cong.
Also, I can’t tell if you are trying to make some point about “peasants in sandals” being especially brutal because they are peasants or because they wear sandals. NOT a big fan of the Viet Cong, are you? NOT a big fan of “peasants”, are you?
Break out of your knee jerk need to disagree with anything I comment on and just acknowledge the gratuitous demeaning attitude of someone who lists a group of countries the US has had military involvement in, but only one is described by their footwear and social class. “Maybe when we lost Vietnam to a bunch of peasants in sandals” is about demeaning the US military’s downward spiral – apparently the fact that they were “peasants in sandals” is important, as if it would not nearly be as insulting to the US military to say that they lost Viet Nam to a group of armed insurgents. Gotta call them a bunch of peasants in sandals, even though no other armed group is defined by their shoes, and what they wore on their feet should be irrelevant. Unless what they wore on their feet was supposed to indicate something derogatory about them, so that the fact “we lost” to peasants in sandals is especially bad. Who cares what anyone wears on their feet, unless what they wore on their feet is supposed to make us think less of them, and thus less of the US military for “losing” to them.
Do you also believe it’s okay to say that the US fought native americans in moccasins to signify how weak the military would have to be to lose to such ill-dressed opponents?
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sorry I’m still laughing aboutthe thing where you think the term “peasant” is offensive to describe . . . peasants.
When you read about the Khmer Rouge’s slaughter of Cambodia’s peasants–assuming you ever read about it–do you get outraged about the description of peasants as peasants?
peasant: a poor farmer of low social status who owns or rents a small piece of land for cultivation (chiefly in historical use or with reference to subsistence farming in poorer countries)
You are a trip, NYCPSP!
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flerp!,
I’m not laughing at your believing that the Viet Cong was exclusively peasants — “poor farmers of low social status who owns or rents a small piece of land for cultivation” with not a single educated, trained non-farmer soldier to be found.
Did you ever hear subsistence farmers in the US called “peasants”? I haven’t. Was it because people like you didn’t think those subsistence farmers’ social status was “low” enough to warrant being called a “peasant”?
And as usual you avoided the main question – why you believe it is perfectly appropriate, when one wants to truly demean the US military, to first demean the people who they “lost” to as “peasants in sandals” instead of describing them the same way other military forces are described. (Hint: it doesn’t include their footwear, nor their social status)
I find it hard to believe you would readily approach a poor farmer in the US and call him a peasant, and explain to him that it the word that accurately describes him, but I take you at your word that you would do just that, because you know they would appreciate your accuracy. Or is the migrant workers on farms who you believe should be called “peasants”? Since you seem especially astonished that anyone could ever find anything demeaning or offensive in being called a “peasant”. Even though the phrase was clearly used to make the point that the US military “lost” to an army of “peasants in sandals” that any military not in decline should have easily defeated.
Are there no peasants in this country? Or is the reason you are afraid to identify the “peasants” in the US because you know that the CONNOTATION of the word is clearly negative? Especially so when it includes their footwear.
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“Fully a quarter of Americans (26 percent) suffer from a diagnosable mental illness in any given year: over half of them (54 percent) never receive treatment and, because of cost and a lack of access to mental health care, of the 46 percent who do get help, the average time from onset of symptoms to the first treatment is 11 years.”
I think most of if not all of Traitor Trump’s fascist loving MAGA cult have mental health issues but do not know it. I run into them all the time on Quora, and they are totally incapable of accepting facts (no matter how reputable the source) and listening to reason.
Since these allegedly mentally-ill lunatics are often behind the violence in this country and they support fascism with their votes and AR-15s, why would the extreme right billionaires want mental health care that might correct mental illness in their targeted tell-them-what-they-want-to-hear audience?
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The 60-80+ percent in the religious right who vote Republican (for Trump as example), is that segment largely mentally ill?
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Not the diagnosed portion. Party affiliation of people with diagnosed mental health disorders leans heavily Democratic.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35446860/#:~:text=Results%20demonstrate%20a%20clear%20partisan,an%20existing%20partisan%20distress%20gap.
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“Have you ever voted for Donald Trump “ should be a question used to determine if one has mental illness
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FLERP, the Dems, and those around them, are the ones still SANE ENOUGH to realize that they need to seek help. The Republicans think that insanity is simply conviction, having the guts to say what you think. Jesus is coming at the rapture. Inject disinfectants. Nazi Ukraine! Stop the tide of brown rapists and murderers! Unborn baby sings like Elivis!
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I also think that diagnosable depression is a rational response to an economy in which one cannot get ahead, and is in fact falling behind incrementally every year. That is the fact for middle & working classes. And they are smart enough to observe that the combo of Cit-United-based campaign funding + gerrymandering that diminishes their vote [in some states] by 20+% ensures no improvement in the foreseeable future.
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FLERP, LisaM, nycpsp [subthread starts at Diane’s comment 9/7 12:55 pm]
We do not need the full context of HRC’s “basket of deplorables” to know she goofed. Since when does a candidate trying to win minds choose to characterize any portion of the other candidate’s followers as “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it… deplorable… irredeemable”? I read the same sort of vituperative characterizations of Democrats daily by JQPublic-MAGA on comment threads. She fell right into the trap of dishing it out à la Trump. Demonizing the opposition is typical wannabe autocrat playbook, not who HRC is. As Diane says above, “if Democrats play the hate card, they might as well be Republicans.”
FLERP has the right approach… in a sense, to a degree. I do not believe we have to ignore outrages like book- & drag queen storyhour- banning and dictating who may say what in classrooms and who may get what medical treatments or play on what teams– and just stick to key national issues. Removing people’s rights is a key issue too, and cannot be ignored. But we have to be careful not to be mindlessly sidetracked, jumping feet-first into Rep-manufactured culture wars & using their argument style. Like trying to fight the tarbaby. Eyes on the prize. Keep redirecting to key priorities (as outlined here by Thom Hartmann).
A brilliant example on, say, how to talk about state legislation requiring athletes to play on their bio-gender teams: UT gov Brian Cox’s veto letter to his legislature– scroll down to 4 paras from end, starting “Finally,…” https://governor.utah.gov/2022/03/24/gov-cox-why-im-vetoing-hb11/
DeSantis policies must always be countered due to his prez candidate status. But I would like to see the ones on ed, e.g., to be argued in terms of small govt, locally elected reps, policies reflecting community consensus rather than dictated by state legislation. And any policies anywhere that require outing trans to parents should be couched à la Gov Cox on trans athletics: we are talking about average 1% [elemsch] – 2.5% [hischool] max! [often far, far less] of the student population. Let your schdistrict handle such situations on a case by case basis.
In general, my true feeling is I could care less if a small backwater in Christian Valley, Flyover wants to dumb down its ed conservative-style. Or if a small town in Blue Heaven wants to enact the latest in progressive pc. But the schdistrict needs to be truly small, with locally-elected reps whose decisions take precedence over the heavy hand of the state, in order for community consensus to be authentic.
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Ginny,
Thank you for the statement by Gov Spencer Cox of Utah. It’s amazing for its sensitivity, kindness and understanding. And the numbers!!! One trans student participating in girls’ sports. Four trans students in high school sports! In the whole state!
I will post this.
Diane
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bethree5,
Thank you for the good points you made about culture issues, although it mystifies me as to how you don’t see that is exactly the opposite of what flerp! is advising: for the Dems to throw Drag Queens under the bus to achieve some greater good.
And I wish you would rethink your view that we treat the voters attracted to racist, xenophobic and hateful white supremacist rhetoric with kindness and dignity and your view that the real problem is a politician calling those voters what they are – like racist or deplorable – when politicians should be treating those voters with respect.
I am old enough to remember when David Duke was running for Governor in Louisiana and even Republicans called out his supporters. NO ONE – NOT EVEN REPUBLICANS – would have smugly chided someone who pointed out that the people who were drawn to David Duke’s Nazi, Ku Klux Klan white supremacy ideology were deplorable. That was the accepted truth – not some “debatable unknown” as your comment seems to imply.
And the result is that the far right was held back for a while because instead of being conditioned to believe that people drawn to white supremacy were normal, we were all
conditioned to believe that people drawn to white supremacy were deplorable. And then the far right propagandized some on the left, and especially the media, to normalize the racist, xenophobic John Birch white supremacist far right instead of marginalize them. The far right got some people who should know better to scapegoat the politicians who called out the same types of folks drawn to David Duke as the real problem, and soon those in the media and on the left were too scared to say anything mean about the folks who liked the Trump because he spewed David Duke ideology.
bethree5, you are a good person, which is why I am certain democracy will likely end very soon in our country.
Back when progressives weren’t lecturing Democrats for calling David Duke supporters racist or deplorable, it was almost unheard of for some Republican to say “I’m voting for David Duke because I like his economic policies.” They were ASHAMED to be David Duke supporters, and that affected the entire atmosphere. Voters understood that there was something shameful in supporting a racist, and they also understood that saying “I’m voting for David Duke because I like his economic policies” made them deplorable and they did not want to be deplorable.
But hey, now they no longer have to worry about being deplorable — even progressives are saying that a politician who criticized the most racist of them should shut up.
If it was the 1990s, and some politician like Bernie Sanders had called the voters who were especially drawn to David Duke’s hateful, white supremacist rhetoric “deplorable”, no one would have blinked an eye, and there would not be agreement between the far right and left that condemning the people who LIKED the white supremacist message was simply unacceptable. The only people trying to push that narrative would have been on the far right, as even mainstream Republicans were repulsed by Duke and his followers.
But now I hear folks on the left insisting that we normalize today’s equivalent of David Duke supporters. If you don’t think that people drawn to Trump’s most racist, xenopohobic and hateful rhetoric are allowed to be strongly criticized, but instead should be normalized, then our country is in grave danger. It was the fact that those voters were marginalized instead of criticized in the 1990s that staved off the far right for a long time. Somehow in the next decade plus, being a birther became something that should not be criticized harshly because those people who believed the first Black president was not a “real” American needed to be understood, not marginalized as the deplorable people they were. And legitimizing them increased their number multifold.
I just imagine being a Jew listening to Hitler’s hateful rhetoric and seeing fellow German citizens who especially liked the antisemitic tropes. And hearing some so-called progressive lecturing me about how the real problem wasn’t that these people needed to be strongly criticized, but that some anti-Nazi politician dared to call people drawn to Hitler’s ugliest antisemitic rhetoric as deplorable when they should be treated respectfully, because normalizing Hitler’s most rabidly antisemitic followers is not harmful at all — nope, not one bit.
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In the 1970s, segregationist, racist, criminal J.B. Stoner (convicted in 1980 of the 1958 bombing of Birmingham’s Bethel Baptist Church, and suspected of many others) ran for governor, senator, and lt. governor in Georgia. His ads compared Black people to apes and said Adolf Hitler was “too moderate” on Jews.
The FCC mandated television and radio stations carry his ads. WSB in Atlanta ran its own announcement before each ad. “WSB is required by law to air the following commercial. Its content do not reflect the opinions of this station.”
Fifty years ago, we could call them out.
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Steve, you can still call out people who compare black people to apes or say Hitler was too moderate on Jews.
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As long as you don’t call out the people cheering those kinds of ugly comments at their rallies, right?
It’s such a shame there are politicians saying such ugly things, but the people at their rallies cheering when they say those ugly things must be treated with the utmost respect, because they deserve no less, being admirable folks who just have a different opinion than us. Don’t you dare utter a word of criticism or dare call them racist or antisemitic just because it is specifically the politician’s ugly rhetoric about Blacks or Jews that they like. Mustn’t make them think there is anything wrong with that. Better that we normalize their attraction to hateful racist rhetoric so they like us. If we make them feel good about voting for a Nazi, then surely that will bring us the progressive future we want.
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You are free to call out whoever you like.
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And you are free not to, if you don’t want to hurt their feelings.
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We’ve made huge strides here!
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