Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, delivered the following remarks today at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. She vigorously defended public schools against current efforts to destroy them. She named names. She explained the purpose of public schools, which makes them a precious part of our democratic aspirations but also a target for those who hate democracy.
Randi said:
Today, we once again grieve for families shattered by senseless gun violence. Please join me in a moment of silence for the lives lost at the Covenant School in Nashville, and for all victims of gun violence.
Today we renew our call for commonsense gun safety legislation including a ban on assault weapons. This is an epidemic that our great nation must solve.
There’s a saying: You don’t have to love everything about someone to love them. I’m sure my wife doesn’t love everything about me, but she loves me. (I, on the other hand, love everything about her.) Nothing is perfect. Banks aren’t. Congress isn’t. And neither are our public schools—not even our most well-resourced and highest-performing schools. Those of us involved in public schools work hard to strengthen them to be the best they can be. But only public schools have as their mission providing opportunity for all students. And by virtually any measure—conversations, polls, studies and elections—parents and the public overwhelmingly like public schools, value them, need them, support them—and countless Americans love them.
Public schools are more than physical structures. They are the manifestation of our civic values and ideals: The ideal that education is so important for individuals and for society that a free education must be available to all. That all young people should have opportunities to prepare for life, college, career and citizenship. That, in a pluralistic society such as the United States, people with different beliefs and backgrounds must learn to bridge differences. And that, as the founders believed, an educated citizenry is essential to protect our democracy from demagogues.
Thomas Jefferson argued general education was necessary to “enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom.” Franklin D. Roosevelt said: “The real safeguard of democracy … is education.” And Martin Luther King Jr., in accepting the United Federation of Teachers’ John Dewey Award, made clear, “Education is the road to equality and citizenship.”
When kids go to school together, they become part of a community; their families become part of a community. That community comes together at school concerts, basketball games and science fairs, and for shelter and comfort, when people are displaced by natural disasters or, far too often, at vigils for victims of gun violence. In good times and bad, public schools are cornerstones of community, of our democracy, our economy and our nation.
But some people want that cornerstone to crumble—and they’re wielding the sledgehammers.
II. ATTACKS ON PUBLIC EDUCATION AND DEMOCRACY
Attacks on public education are not new. The difference today is that the attacks are intended to destroy it. To make it a battlefield, a political cudgel. After former President Trump lost re-election, Steve Bannon, his key ally, declared that their fight goes through school boards. In a speech last year, culture war operative and Governor Ron DeSantis’ appointee Christopher Rufo put it bluntly, “To get to universal school choice, you really need to operate from a premise of universal public school distrust.” To this end, he says, his side has “to be ruthless and brutal.”
And, I would add, well-funded, which it is. The DeVos, Bradley, Koch, Uihlein and Walton family foundations and others have poured many millions of dollars into anti-public education, pro-privatization groups like the American Federation for Children and EdChoice.
The Betsy DeVos wing of the school privatization movement is methodically working its plan: Starve public schools of the funds they need to succeed. Criticize them for their shortcomings. Erode trust in public schools by stoking fear and division, including attempting to pit parents against teachers. Replace them with private, religious, online and home schools. All toward their end goal of destroying public education as we know it, atomizing and balkanizing education in America, bullying the most vulnerable among us and leaving the students with the greatest needs in public schools with the most meager resources.
It’s an extremist scheme by a very vocal minority of Americans.It’s hurting our efforts to do the work we need to do, which is educating the nearly 50 million kids who attend America’s public schools. And the urgent work of helping kids recover from learning loss, sadness, depression and other effects of the pandemic.
And it’s not what parents or the public want.
Let’s start with defunding: This year alone, 29 state legislatures are considering bills to either create or expand existing voucher programs. This is on top of the 72 voucher and tax credit programs in 33 states already subsidizing private and home schooling, costing billions every year. Voucher programs are proliferating even though research shows that, on average,vouchers negatively affect achievement—the declines are worse than pandemic learning loss. In fact, vouchers have caused “some of the largest academic drops ever measured in the research record.”
Proponents of vouchers used to argue that they were a way for low-income and minority families to transfer out of low-performing schools. No longer. Today most vouchers go to families who already send their kids to private schools. And private schools are not required to follow most federal civil rights laws protecting students, so they can—and many do—discriminate, especially against LGBTQ students and students with special needs.
The universal voucher program signed by Florida Gov. DeSantis yesterday will divert $4 billion from the state’s public schools. Florida ranks 44th in the nation in per pupil spending, and 48thin average teacher salaries. DeSantis is sending taxpayers’ dollars in the wrong direction.
And then there are the culture wars. What started as fights over pandemic-era safety measures has morphed into fearmongering: False claims that elementary and secondary schools are teaching critical race theory; disgusting, unfounded claims that teachers are grooming and indoctrinating students; and pronouncements that public schools push a “woke” agenda, even though they can’t or won’t define what they mean. Banning books and bullying vulnerable children. School board meetings descending into screaming matches. This is an organized and dangerous effort to undermine public schools.
Over the last three years, legislators in 45 states proposed hundreds of laws placing public schools at the center of culture wars: laws seeking to ban books from school libraries—even books about Ruby Bridges and Anne Frank and Roberto Clemente; laws restricting what teachers can teach and students can learn—particularly about about race, gender, LGBTQ issues, current events and American history; and laws attacking kids who are transgender. Students and staff should feel welcome, safe and respected in school—but the culture wars are fueling hostility and fear.
A torrent of enacted and proposed legislation targeting even the mention of “controversial” topics—sweeping and open-ended restrictions on what can be taught—has teachers teaching on eggshells. In Florida, the Department of Education has threatened teachers and librarians with felony prosecution if they provide students with books that the state later decides are inappropriate. If Florida lawmakers have their way, colleges will no longer have diversity, equity or inclusion policies; or tenure;or academic freedom. And AP courses and the mere utterance of LGBTQ will be banned in all K-12 schools. And forget about facts. Many laws and pending bills allow any individual to sue schools and teachers for perceived violations. The intent and effect are to create a climate of fear and intimidation.
This takes a toll on the quality of education teachers can provide our students, and on the trust and connection that are so important. Shouldn’t teachers be free to talk with students who are withdrawn or in distress, and to answer students’ questions? Don’t we want students to learn both our nation’s achievements that make us proud and the failings that make us strive to do better? Isn’t that our job?
Teachers should have the freedom to teach. And students should have the freedom to learn.
These same governors who are pushing vouchers and culture wars are also trying to defund and weaken teachers unions, so educators don’t have the wherewithal to fight back against censorship, attacks on their academic freedom, threats to their livelihoods and criminal prosecution.
These attacks aren’t about protecting kids. If they were, they would be working with us to address learning loss and the youth mental health crisis. They would be working with us to take on social media companies for contributing to that crisis.
If these attacks were about protecting kids, they would be working with us to fight against the leading cause of death for American children—gun violence.
If this were about protecting kids, instead of putting LGBTQ youth at risk and banning books about Black people and by Black authors, they would give a damn about these kids’ safety and well-being, including the youth suicide crisis.
Forty-five percent of LGBTQ youth seriously considered suicidein the last year. And the suicide rate among Black youth of all sexual orientations has been increasing as well.
This is literally a matter of life and death. These attacks on public education make it increasingly difficult to create the welcoming, safe environment that our students need and deserve.
School climate and culture
It is a fraught time in our country. The effects of COVID-19; the climate of conflict; drug abuse; gun violence; economic insecurity; and the youth mental health crisis have all taken a heavy toll. Hate crimes have surged against many Americans—Asian, Black, Latino, Jewish and Muslim Americans.
School staff report a rise in bullying, verbal altercations and physical violence among students, as well as this behavior directed at them.
I recall a teacher saying that when her students are disruptive, it’s not because they are bad; it’s because they’re sad.
So many students have experienced isolation and trauma. They need help. But there weren’t enough mental health specialists before the pandemic, and they are in critically short supply now.
The persistent demonization and disrespect of teachers—from screaming matches at school board meetings to the former secretary of state saying teachers teach “filth”—have contributed to a culture of disrespect that seeps into our schools.
I just got a report from Florida. In Flagler County, a 17-year-old student with special needs pushed a paraprofessional so hard she went airborne and was knocked unconscious. A teacher in Osceola County was monitoring students in the hallway when a student sucker-punched him. And there are others. The educators who were hurt all cited lack of staff in the schools and lack of mental health support for students as the main reasons leading to the attacks.
And this crisis will only get worse as Gov. DeSantis’ universal voucher bill kicks in. What will the loss of $4 billion do to safety in Florida’s public schools? What will that do to the quality of academics, to the condition of school buildings, to teacher pay, to staffing shortages?
III. CRISIS IN THE TEACHING PROFESSION
Even before the pandemic, there were steep declines in teachers’ satisfaction. The percent of teachers who were “very satisfied” fell from 62 percent in 2008 to just 12 percent in 2022.
The stresses of the COVID-19 era—plus the culture wars, attacks on teachers, inadequate pay, poor teaching and learning conditions, and the threat of school shootings—have made recent years the toughest in modern times for educators.
Despite it all, teachers have thrown themselves into the mission of helping students recover academically, socially and emotionally. You heard Tamara (Simpson). I witness these acts of teaching, of nation-building, every day. Yet, according to our critics, we’re responsible for all the woes of society.
Even before the pandemic, nearly 300,000 teachers were leaving the profession each year. Now, it’s closer to 400,000.
And the teacher pipeline has collapsed as college students and career-changers choose not to go into education. How are we going to recruit and retain the staff schools need in this climate?
Our teaching profession is in crisis.
It’s in crisis because of the poor teaching and learning conditions created by inadequate funding for public schools. It’s teacher pay, which has been falling relative to other college graduates’ pay for the last 40 years. It’s giving teachers all the blame and little authority. And it’s the de-professionalization of teaching that demoralizes an already beleaguered profession.
I hear it all the time—teachers just want to teach.
IV.Strategies for Powerful Education
So where do we go from here?
The American Rescue Plan, and the programs it spawned, particularly the tutoring programs, have really helped. And we are grateful to President Joe Biden, Education Secretary Miguel Cardona and the last Congress for the much-needed resources. Of course we will continue to fight this defunding of our public schools and this dividing of our communities. But we also must do better to address the learning loss and disconnection we are seeing in our young people. And we can. We can make every public school a school where parents want to send their kids, educators want to work and all students thrive.
Four strategies can help transform our schools to realize the promise and purpose of public education. Not just to overcome learning loss or get back to normal, but to truly help us prepare all children with the knowledge and skills they need for their lives, for college, for career and for citizenship. These strategiescan help us create safe and welcoming environments and bring joy back to learning. And in tandem, they have a catalytic effect. I have seen it work. But we need to do these strategies at scale—for every child and in every school. These four strategies are expanding community schools, scaling experiential learning, addressing staff shortages, and deepening the partnership between families and educators.
Community Schools
First and foremost, we need to make sure our kids are OK. That’s why we need community schools, which are hubs for neighborhoods, combining academics with extended learning opportunities, family and community events, and an infusion of medical, mental health and other social services. They are the best system I know to connect students and families to the support they need to learn, live and thrive.
A recent University of Calgary study found that youth suicide attempts increased 22 percent during the pandemic. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, nearly 1 in 3 teen girls seriously considered suicide in 2021—up nearly 60 percent from a decade ago. More than 42 percent of high school students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness.
What helps? The Calgary report found that “school connectedness, defined as feeling close to people at school, has a long-lasting, protective impact for adolescents well into adulthood.”
Our schools must be equipped to support and connect with students, and there is no better model for this than community schools. There is another tragic reality in the United States: Half the students in America’s public schools live in poverty. Community schools mitigate the effects of poverty by providing essential services right where students are and where families can be.
Once kids’ physical and emotional needs are met, they are ready to learn, and teachers can focus on their primary role—which is to teach.
A few weeks ago I went back to Wolfe Street Academy, a community school in Baltimore, to see how they were doing.
Ninety-six percent of the students there qualify for free- or reduced-price lunch. Since converting to a community school nearly 20 years ago, Wolfe Street has gone from the 77th-most successful elementary school in Baltimore (out of 80) to the second-most successful. And, like other community schools,when COVID-19 hit it was a matter of ramping up services, not having to start from scratch.
Students have access to medical checkups, clothing and mental health services. Families have food assistance, language support and legal aid.
And this school is fun! Wolfe Street offers a wide variety of after-school programs, including chess club, robotics club, Mexican folkloric dance, orchestra, a soccer league and more.
And, by the way, Wolfe Street is a unionized public charter school.
There are successful community schools in rural and suburban areas, as well.
The Rome (New York) Teachers Association started a community school with help from the AFT in 2016. Today itsConnected Model has spread to 14 school districts and provides everything from access to mental health services and dental care, to food packages for weekends and holidays, and prom dresses!
A recent Rand Corp. study of community schools in New York City found positive impacts on both attendance and graduation rates. In New Mexico, community schools in operation for five or more years have better-than-average student achievement growth and higher attendance rates, and employed more highly effective teachers. And Robeson High School in Philadelphia went from nearly closing to a 95 percent graduation rate after implementing the community school model.
AFT members have helped create 700 community schools across the country, and we see how they meet kids’ needs. From Kimball Elementary School in Washington, D.C., to the Oyler School in Cincinnati, to Roybal-Allard Elementary in Los Angeles. That’s why the AFT is calling for 25,000 community schools by 2025 and our call is gaining steam. California just approved another $45 million to make 1 in every 3 schools in the state a community school. And President Biden’s budget doubles federal community school investment. We need to make this happen everywhere.
Experiential Learning
Second, we can re-engage students through experiential learning, transforming their educational experiences. Why do kids skip school, or slump in the back of the classroom? They may feel unsafe or unseen. Or just uninterested. We must do better. And we can.
Of course, fundamental academic subjects are important. But so is how we teach them. Experiential learning engages students through problem-solving, critical-thinking, teamwork, and learning by doing. We need to help kids engage with the world, with ideas and with each other—not just with their devices.
Experiential learning embeds the things that make kids want to be in school: The excitement of learning that is deeply engaging, and the joy of being together, especially after the isolation of the last few years. The camaraderie and responsibility of working together on a team.
And in the age of AI and chatGPT, this type of learning is critical to being able to think and write, solve problems, apply knowledge and discern fact from fiction.
Experiential learning can be applied to any content area from math to computer science to social studies, and often weaves subjects together in powerful interdisciplinary instruction. It can be adapted to any grade level. It can take place in rural, urban and suburban schools. And it nurtures kids’ natural curiosity and creativity. That is what robotics and debate teachers do all the time. It’s what I did as an AP government teacher at Clara Barton High School. These opportunities need to be the norm not the exception.
This type of learning makes clear just how outmoded the standardized test-based accountability system is. Of course, the country needs data on how our kids are doing, but if we are talking about student success, research shows classroom grades, not tests, are the best predictor of that. And experiential learning takes the classroom to a new level.
Experiential learning is assessed by teachers in their classrooms and focuses on mastery of the skill. It can include capstone projects that allow students to research a topic they’re passionate about and present it to their teachers and peers. It can include nature-based pre-K, where youngsters learn by exploring natural surroundings while building social skills with other kids. It can include students working together to code and build robotics projects; service-learning projects to support community members; and summer learning on a farm caring for crops or animals; or reporting for and producing a neighborhood newsletter. And it can start with field trips, during and after school.
Experiential learning has long been embedded in career and technical education programs where students use their minds and their hands to learn everything from auto repair, to nursing, IT, graphic design, welding and culinary skills. CTE students learn skills that give them a head start when they go to college or start their careers. Shouldn’t every student have that opportunity?
It’s also a proven strategy. Ninety-four percent of young people who concentrate in CTE graduate from high school, and 72 percent of them go on to college.
Talk to any employer about the skills and knowledge they look for in a successful employee, be it a plumber, a nurse or a lawyer, and you’re bound to hear similarities—employees who are creative, self-starters, critical-thinkers, problem-solvers;have empathy; and can build relationships. This type of learning provides every student with more options to develop those skills and to find their passion, their purpose and their pathway to good jobs and fulfilling careers.
Carpentry students use math when they’re figuring out the right cuts to make and how the pieces will all fit together. They’re using their hands and their minds to construct something. They’re acquiring literacy, technology and writing skills in developing business plans or a website. They’re building self-confidence and public speaking skills when they explain plans and work with customers or their peers. They have a sense of pride in the finished product. When a project doesn’t turn out as expected, they have to problem-solve what went wrong and try a new approach.
On Governors Island in New York City, students attending the Harbor School pursue industry certification in specialties like marine science and oceanography. In Louisiana, the Teaching and Reaching initiative is a two-year dual enrollment program that gives high school juniors and seniors the opportunity to earn credits and get a head start on pursuing a degree in education. In Peoria, Ill., CTE programs are preparing students for green energy jobs. And the Rio Rancho, N.M., public schools partner with the local college to provide stackable microcredentials in robotics, coding and automotive technology.
President Biden’s remaking of the economy through the CHIPS and Science Act, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and the climate provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act will create millions of new high-paying jobs in renewable energy, broadband, semiconductors, construction, cybersecurity, transportation, small business, entrepreneurship and so much more. Then there’s healthcare and education, which have huge staffing crises right now. There are so many incredible opportunities for our young people in the job markets of today and tomorrow. They need to be ready to seize them. This dynamic new economic vision requires a dynamic new workforce vision.
We are all in, but this requires more than educators. And doing this at scale will require new approaches. We need to start by high school. We need employers to partner with us, giving students internships and apprenticeships, including paid opportunities so students who need to work can afford to participate. That’s why the AFT donated stipends for high school kids in Newark, N.J.’s Red Hawks Rising teacher pathway program. Teachers need experiential learning, too, and more externship opportunities in industry.
The potential for all of this is in our grasp, but we all need to do better on the alignment of people, preparation and professions. And it means all of us making changes. That is why we are working with the AFL-CIO, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, Education Secretary Miguel Cardona, Acting Labor Secretary Julie Su, and the Bloomberg Philanthropies on this work. We are reaching out to business groups large and small, as experiential learning can take place in the private sector, the public sector and nonprofits. The formula of starting by high school and identifying school-to-career pathways, including community colleges, partnering with employers, and ensuring the opportunities are paid, can be replicated everywhere.
Revive and Restore the Teaching Profession
Third, for us to meet the needs of the 50 million children in our public schools, we need to revive and restore the teaching profession. That starts with addressing the teacher and school staff shortage crisis. And taking care of the educators we still have.
We know how to solve this. At our 2022 convention, AFT members unanimously approved the report our Teacher and School Staff Shortage Task Force had been working on for seven months. That report is a blueprint with scalable solutions that every district and state in the nation can implement. But it boils down to treating educators like the professionals they are, with appropriate pay and time to prepare for classes, the chance to collaborate with colleagues, the opportunity to participate in meaningful professional development, and the authority to make day-to-day classroom decisions. And ensuring they have the conditions that help students learn like buildings in good repair, with safe ventilation and smaller class size.
The Kansas City Federation of Teachers recently negotiated a new contract, and they used the AFT staffing shortage report as their blueprint. Now, every first- and second-year teacher will be mentored by an exemplary teacher, who will be paid for serving as a mentor. The union secured the highest starting teacher salaries in the region and increases to keep teachers in the profession. They won paid family leave for any parent, making them the first district in the state having this essential family benefit. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Thank you, Jason Roberts, the KCFT president, for being with us today.
I’m really worried about the well-being of teachers and school staff. We are working with groups like Educators Thriving on strategies that address well-being. Their program has helped teachers reduce emotional exhaustion, a leading indicator of burnout. And as a union, we are providing a trauma benefit to all our members and have worked hard to reduce student debt and make the bipartisan Public Service Loan Forgiveness program work. That’s been life-changing for those who qualify. But I am asking politicians to do their part as well.
A word to politicians—rather than using educators as cannon fodder, why not work with us? Like New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, who enacted a $10,000 raise for teachers in that state. And Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who signed a bipartisan education budget that will make the highest state investment in Michigan history, investing in school infrastructure, teacher recruitment, school safety and mental health resources. And Sen. Bernie Sanders and Florida Rep. Frederica Wilson, whose bills would raise teacher salaries. And New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman, who has introduced a bill to reduce federally mandated standardized tests.
Parents and Community as Partners
Fourth, the pandemic proved what we always knew: In-person learning is essential for kids, and public schools are centers of their communities.
It’s beyond obvious that the school-family connection, the parent-teacher connection, is vital to children’s success. But as others are trying to drive a wedge in that connection, we need to deepen it.
PTAs are remarkable organizations; so are so many parent groups and parent-teacher groups like Red Wine and Blue, Parents Together, MomsRising and the Campaign for Our Shared Future. And we are honored to work with them and others. But we know we need to create this muscle of working together everywhere.
That’s why the AFT created the Powerful Partnerships Institute, which supports family and community engagement. In our inaugural year, the institute has given out 27 grants to AFT locals across the country. Montana is engaging thousands of public education-supporting families and educators across the state. New Haven is working with educators, families and students on fair school funding. And you just heard a little about our partnership in Houston.
Let’s be role models for how we deal with conflicts and disagreement. During the pandemic, we met via Zoom with parent groups that often disagreed with us on COVID-19 safety measures and school closures. We heard each other out and talked things through. We need more of that in America.
Two years ago, the AFT increased our legal defense fund, so we could help if a member was put in jeopardy for teaching honest history or answering a student’s question. But in too many places, there are no unions, or educational associations, or parent groups. People feel alone and isolated. Teachers. Parents. Children.
That’s why, in conjunction with the Campaign for Our Shared Future, we are launching a new Freedom to Teach and Learn hotline for teachers, parents or students to use if they need support. It’s a place to call if you’ve been told to remove a book from the curriculum or from the library, or that there are topics that can’t be discussed in your classes, or that you cannot teach honestly and appropriately, or if politicians in your district or state are targeting vulnerable student groups to score political points. The Freedom to Teach and Learn hotline number is 888-873-7227.
These four strategies are worthy on their own. Together, they are transformative. Community schools will help young people not just recover from these punishing years and the scourge of poverty, but thrive. Experiential learning will prepare our youth with the knowledge and skills to seize the opportunities in our changing economy. To nurture and educate our young people, we need an educator workforce that is supported, respected and compensated befitting their vital role. And we need students’ circle of care—family, educators and community members—to be united in their support.
Conclusion
This is our agenda. But this can’t just be the work of our union or of school staff and schools alone. This is the work of a great nation—to ensure that our children’s basic human needs are met so they are ready to learn to their full potential. To exchange outmoded and test-driven ways of teaching and learning for effective and engaging approaches that excite students and prepare them to live their dreams and aspirations.
Our public schools shouldn’t be pawns for politicians’ ambitions. Or defunded and destroyed by ideologues.
We are at a crossroads: Fear and division, or hope and opportunity.
A great nation does not fear people being educated.
A great nation does not fear pluralism.
A great nation chooses freedom, democracy, equality and opportunity.
All of that starts in our public schools. We are that great nation, and we must act together—to defend, support and strengthen our public schools. And we must do that now.
Our children deserve no less.
Hello Diane: Thank you for posting this from Randi Weingarten.
I have forwarded it to the National Literacy blogsite (AAACE-NLA). Also, I wrote you here (in another section) about some recent movements in non-degree Adult Education that look very much like what’s been going on in K-12 and colleges, and asked if you thought the Network for Public Education people would want to know about it, but you didn’t reply. That’s okay, but I just wondered if you missed my note.
Here’s the thing: This NLA/Coalition of groups is a HUGE and long-lived publicly funded educational service/system in the US but, like many things public, they don’t spend money on advertising and, up to now, they have not had to “deal” with intrusions from oligarchs and for-profits. But the recent launch of adult education “alliances” apparently have not thought to ally themselves with the NLA or other public-oriented adult education programs in the Coalition. (There are other clues, e.g., their website doesn’t say where their funding comes from.) CBK
CBK,
I missed your earlier comment.
Diane Thank you for replying. It’s long, but here it is below. Also, I added a note to the forwarded Weingarten letter to them saying that I thought, if the Adult Education Coalition (truly public) leadership don’t already have a working relationship with AFT and like organizations (public), then perhaps doing so would strengthen the whole idea of public education in the US. (I am not an insider.)
But “advocacy organization” translates to: Drawing funding away from PUBLIC Adult Education services. CBK
MY EARLIER NOTE TO YOU/DIANE
Catherine King/March 26, 2023 at 2:55 pm/
Hello Diane and all:
Unfortunately, the National Literacy Association (aaace-NLA Google Group) has just realized (what looks like to me as) dark-money incursions into the
Adult Literacy/Education “market.” I have warned them about such incursions before citing your many references and evidence, and I have posted below most of the remarkable narrative from just today, with my own note at the end . . . the third note came in after I posted my own, but it’s about their programming including preparing adults for military service<–???
. . . but I am also wondering if the people at The Network for Public Education may not know about it (its launch online was just this month March 2023) and want to be advised. Here are the notes which are self-explanatory:
NOTE 1: On Mar 26, 2023, at 9:21 AM, David Rosen wrote:
Subject: Re: New national adult education advocacy organization
Hello NLA Colleagues, . . . “Alliance for Adult Education created in February 2023 to unite public and industry leaders to expand career and education pathways for the 36M+ adults who lack a high school diploma” appears to be a new national adult education advocacy organization. Read the article about them linked above for more information.
Is anyone in the NLA Google group aware of, familiar with, or part of this advocacy organization? I wonder if this new group is aware of NCL, COABE, ProLiteracy, and other national organizations that do adult foundational education advocacy? If so, tell us more about this group. . . .
David J. Rosen
NOTE #2: (my emphases)
It seems like this new organization is bringing together people with backgrounds in business (primarily publishing), distance learning, and the military to expand opportunities for adult education. A few reflections:
• Two of the members on the about us page worked with cengage. There must be some knowledge of the existing adult education field in the organizations that advocate for it. On the other hand, I don’t see them at COABE. (Coalition of Adult Basic Education)
• They seem to be saying that the current field of adult education is doing good work, but that they want to expand access. The thing is, that’s also what for-profit private schools often say.
• While the military is an honorable pursuit, and a valuable albeit challenging way to gain transferable skills, it is unusual to see it foregrounded on an adult education website. Not judging, just commenting that the visual was surprising
• I don’t see the phrase “non-profit” anywhere on there website.
NOTE #3
From: aaace-nla@googlegroups.com on behalf of Art Ellison / Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 6:39:38 AM/To: David Rosen Cc: AAACE-NLA> Subject: Re: New national adult education advocacy organization
Not a good sign for the advocacy field when something like this happens.
The apparent lack of knowledge on the part of the members of this organization raises questions about their overall understanding of the adult Ed. Field in general and specifically our advocacy work. Art
NOTE #4 (my note)
Hello Art and all: I have some good guesses about what’s going on there, but it’s the first I have read of it, and so I do not yet know.
So I “googled” this group (as you probably have) and found that they only “presented” themselves this month (March, 2023). In the “About” section, however, the people there all seem to be well connected in many crossover programming and “ideas” about corporate/business and education. I could find nothing about funding or corporate support; though I did follow through with googling three names there . . . one is heavy into “restaurant leadership.”
Especially noted, however, in the narratives about the “about” people, are the many references to heavy-hitters, like McDonalds and several other corporations, who are known in public K-12 circles as sometimes not-so-dark contributors/ funders and closet directors of the “anti-public” part of K-12 education in the United States, which means lots of money, bells and whistles, and professional advertisers, but also “lobbyists.”
Art writes: “The apparent lack of knowledge on the part of the members of this organization raises questions about their overall understanding of the adult Ed. Field in general and specifically our advocacy work.”
Yes: questions.
First, the AAACA-NLA link in Google is just a few lines below the “Alliance.” IF no one here has heard from them, they are at least not doing their homework about the adult education that is already “out there” and has been for a very long time; OR the lackies who front the movement have bought something quite foul, hook line and sinker, and REALLY are not politically astute enough to understand the difference between making a career move and complicitly becoming a political hack; or about public and private and/or corporate realities; and so they see the AAAACA-NLA as similar to their own movement, namely, as just another, maybe even well-meaning, but competitive profit-making organization vying for federal money (ahem: public money), if they think about it at all, . . .
OR whether the hacks are aware of it or not, their funders’ political steamroller is just warming up, regardless of what their lackies say, do, and really mean.
My guess is, IF the “Alliance’s” source funding is the same as for the anti-public K-12 crowd, then their fundamental purpose is more about creating front organizations readying for a “corporate takeover” and for killing both all things public, and democracy itself, . . . than it is about education in and for adults or for sustaining a democracy over time (some of the ultra wealthy funders are also about building a “new” theocracy). IF so, then their “about” arrow is pointed in the same direction where it regularly “hits the mark” in the ongoing fight to preserve the whole idea of public education in K-12 and colleges as they regularly bash, defund, threaten, and set fires under teachers and their union/unified voice.
Unfortunately, and not by some sort of mistake, many in our present Congress and many state politicians are mere carrots ready and waiting to go wherever the corporate oligarch/money stick wants them to go. Also, at present, too many obviously do not care what the general public wants.
My other guess is that, in the long game, as soon as those same powers get rid of voting (those tween adults are a huge voting block, if they would actually vote and actually knew what was at stake), corporate and political interest in education will evaporate or change form, along with their present propaganda about helping adults, about how awful real teachers are (those who are not already saturated with the political ignorance that supports corporate rhetoric), and how bad public education is, until the public as a whole forgets the grand difference between democracy and fascism—which I think is the problem for way too many in the United States today anyway.
I did sign up for their newsletter . . . though until and unless we know better, no one who understands the difference between democracy and fascism, and how fascism is mainly about either duping, controlling, or “disappearing” people, or the crucial part that public education plays in a democracy, . . . none should read and automatically believe what the “Alliance” or anyone in the field writes or says, or that they are really interested in forming a real alliance that might not tacitly or openly share their political intentions, or about adult education, for the same reasons most or even all of us are, or in the country as a whole.
Fascists and their propaganda always wear the right clothes and oligarchs always bring the right gifts to whatever party they get invited to.
Catherine Blanche King
Hello Diane My reply went to moderation, as it did when I posted it before. It IS long, however. CBK
This is a wonderful statement by the President of AFT! Thanks for posting it. This old teacher wishes we could make it required reading–especially for politicians.
All that Randi mentions is important and the AFT action plan is great for union states. However, 27 states in this country are “right to work.” Representation for teachers in those states is poor to non-existent. There are ways to support teachers in the states that focus on protection for academic freedom and job security. What I would like to see is a visible partnership between the AFT and NEA ( I understand there is a long history here) that would provide robust liability protections for teachers in these states. The right to work moniker is primarily insurance for authorities that teachers can’t strike. Therefore, nothing is wrong with providing resources for those teachers to protect their well being. Educatinal leaders with a national voice have got to be wiling to go into states like Florida and Tennessee to challenge the breadth of laws that violate first and fourteenth amendment requirements. Yes. this requires resources, and many teachers in these states do pay dues to the national unions. Our fight for public education will fail if we don’t begin to turn the tide in these right wing bastions. An important symbolic step would be for professional organizations to no longer have locations in district central offices. Teachers in the south and midwest feel abandoned and see state action as evidence of this. They desperately want to be part of the movement to bring back the public schools but see their flank exposed. We need help and aggressive unified commitment.
This is a VERY long piece. Love all of it but wish much of it could be converted into short video PSA’s. Making each transformation come alive for viewers. Teams of teachers could shoot & edit on their iPhones. Techie kid students could contribute to the effort. People need to see it to believe in it and fight for it.
Yes!!!
My concern is that the long speeches go on and on. But the transformative classroom-community experiences are never seen, documented or shared widely.
2023 Technology would allow a vast, cross-cultural documentary network to hook-up easily and accessibly.
The 1960-1970 Open Classroom Movement in England had Teacher-Advisors who travelled from school to school. Spreading the word. Hosting hands-on workshops. Photographing & filming great work by kids and teachers.
Years of our words allow the likes of Guggenheim’s very false film Waiting For Superman to take over the narrative. We stay busy with protests against charter school co-locations, Catholic School arguments, railing against hedge fund investors and school shooters. But we could be strutting our stuff and cancelling out the Evil Reality being thrust upon everyone. Purely for financial gain at the expense of Democracy and vibrant Public Schools.
This is a 1941 Film From England. The Brits called it a Typical Day documentary. Camera focused almost exclusively on what the kids were up to.
No adult talking heads. Droning on about Theory & Practice.
Not a propaganda piece either. But boy do we see how absorbing it was to be a student at this very good school.
2023 technology would allow a slew of these to be produced easily. We know how to be opportunists in the best sense of the word. Using free platforms to spread the word. Turning the social media availability to our own advantage.
Kathy
Your point is that public education’s protectors should go on offense? We agree. If they won’t even acknowledge the very successful campaign for privatization by the state Catholic Conferences…
“Techie kid students could contribute to the effort.”
No maam. It is not a public schools teacher’s right to USE students for political causes. Now if the students put together something on their own, that is one thing but for teachers to use students in such a fashion is unethical unless done outside of contracted time and away from the school grounds with full parental permissions involved.
The ever incisive Jan Ressenger has a post which ought to be a companion post to Randi’s:
Barber concludes: “The consumer’s republic is quite simply an oxymoron… Public liberty demands public institutions that permit citizens to address the public consequences of private market choices… Asking what “I want’ and asking what ‘we as a community to which I belong need’ are two different questions, through neither is altruistic and both involve ‘my’ interests: the first is ideally answered by the market; the second must be answered by democratic politics.” “Citizens cannot be understood as mere consumers because individual desire is not the same thing as common ground and public goods are always something more than an aggregation of private wants…. (W)hat is public cannot be determined by consulting or aggregating private desires.” (Consumed, p. 126)
https://janresseger.wordpress.com/2023/03/28/37752/
Thank you for this insightful link, particularly the distortion of the meaning of “freedom” as used by the right and the false belief that markets serve us best.
It (freedom) forgets the very meaning of the social contract, a covenant in which individuals agree to give up unsecured private liberty in exchange for the blessings of public liberty and common security.”
I always find reading Resseger to be illuminating in the way she synthesizes disparate threads into a whole fabric.
Here’s another post on the state of children, their education, their right to safety and the right wing, by Talia Levin:
“Parental rights” obviates the notion that society has a collective responsibility to secure the welfare of children, of course. As former Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum put it in a screed entitled “Children Belong to Parents, not Government” from 2013: “So we go from telling the small businessman that ‘you didn’t build that’ to telling parents that ‘they don’t belong to you!’ It harkens back to Marxism’s trumping of the family in favor of the state.”
As construed by the American right wing, “parental rights” is the most milquetoast way of expressing absolute ownership by parents over children—that children are, in fact, their parents’ property, subject to absolute control, and not accountable to any standard outside the nuclear family unit…
…Three kids were shot and killed in school yesterday, and ParentalRights.org had nothing to say about it. Freedom from cruelty or danger or access to healthcare or not being locked up in solitary in juvie are all more or less irrelevant to this movement, whose sole principle is control. Incidentally, child labor is back, in a big way. So much for education…
Of course, if you’ve spent any good amount of time in a classroom, you’ve met this kind of parent, but adults with other careers may be oblivious.
https://theswordandthesandwich.substack.com/p/on-the-rights-of-the-child-part-i?r=9ow&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Thanks, Christine!!!
This speech condensed into seven words: “We want more money and less accountability.”
Carol,
You read a different speech.
Our schools are very inequitably funded. Rich kids have great public schools. Poor kids don’t. Some states are stripping money away from public schools to pay for religious schools, private schools, and home schools.
If “less accountability” means getting rid of expensive, punitive high-stakes standardized tests, I’m for it. After 20 years of NCLB testing, don’t we know it has accomplished nothing?
How do you like billions of dollars going to religious schools with zero accountability?
Carol Kingman I your word-o-meter is on crooked. CBK
Carol Kingman,
It’s really funny you wrote “We want more money and less accountability”, because that is the guiding mantra of charter schools (and they get it!)
If you aren’t a hypocrite, Carol, you must be extremely anti-charter.
Bingo
LOL
Carol,
You and people like you are hypocrites.
Six months ago, the Catholic Education Partners site posted, “Catholic Education Partners Celebrate Victory in WV….CEP’s purpose is to partner with state Catholic Conferences, Bishops and other clergy…and the other stakeholders to advance state policies that allow more families to access Catholic education (at the taxpayers’ expense) while protecting the autonomy … of Catholic schools.”
Jefferson said, in every age, in every country, the priest aligns with the despot. Carol Kingman and other so-called libertarians trample American democracy.
Linda You are amazing. CBK
Is the quote by a Catholic education advocacy organization cited above real or did Linda make it up?
You are accurately and succinctly (and unintentionally!) summing up the MAGA cult. The only things you left out were more race-based ignorance and less decency. Actually, no decency.
Oh? Where does it say that? Can you be more specific? Incidentally I don’t allow my students to make broad, unsubstantiated claims like yours. Would you care to grace this statement with the silly formality of, you know, evidence to support it? Please advise.
Every conservative accusation is a confession.
Charter schools want taxpayer money and no accountability.
Billionaires want taxpayer money and no accountability.
Corporations want taxpayer money and no accountability.
The American Federation of Teachers wants the best possible education for our students.
Randi’s “naming” omitted the Catholic church. She’s following the established PR narrative promulgated across the country by …well… everyone.
The Executive Director of the Colorado Catholic Conference was the founding executive director of Catholic Education Partners (a Catholic education policy non-profit launched by the USCCB). Formerly, she was director of state policy for Friedman Foundation EdChoice Indianapolis and she conducted domestic policy research for the Heritage Foundation (Koch) in D.C. She’s on a council of the right wing American Enterprise Institute.
Media identified the VP of EdChoice Kentucky as the executive director of the Kentucky Catholic Conference. How many other connections, all ignored, are there among the Koch network, state Catholic Conferences and school privatization?
Linda FYI again: . . . others don’t share your bias. Get over it. CBK
You make a valid point. According to my cut-and-paste word count exercise, it is odd that a 5,021 word defense of public education and pointing out the causes does not mention either of the words Catholic or parochial once.
It has been well documented that universal vouchers have three effects: robbing funds from public education, shifting public wealth to monied interests, and further eroding the fairly nonexistent concept of church and state. All of these concern Catholic schools. As a constituency, parochial schools will be thrown a financial lifeline they could otherwise not have attained, meaning many of them would otherwise go out of business. This has been documented on this blog by many persons, posts and comments other than Linda’s. It is odd that even Betsy DeVos’s motives and actions described seem to happen in a vacuum devoid of twisted theology.
This is not bias, nor is it something to get over. The Catholic Church in the United States is claiming financial hardship in every major city, yet it some how finds tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. And we have an illegitimate Supreme Court majority that invents precedents to infuse more religious extremism into laws that are acted upon as legitimate. Get over the emotion. This has all been documented for years.. And the comments below this are also way off. To use the tired “Biden and Pelosi are Catholic” is as false an attempt at faux equivalence and both-siderism that we condemn on other issues.
Imagine a 5,021 essay on how the Axis powers exploited weaknesses of the Allies without ever once mentioning Germany or Japan.
“…finds…dollars to fund pro-voucher campaigns…”
Greg and Linda “All of these concern Catholic schools.”
Yes it does. However, it’s one side dish in a 10 course meal. And if you understood anything about the Catholic Church, you would understand that Catholic Schools will not end if they cannot get federal funding (as you say in your note).
A constant change of focus to one dish . . . in Linda’s case, the right wing elements in the Catholic Church . . . hijacks Weingarten’s concerns for a whole movement of thought, most of which has nothing to do with religious overreach.
This is also about Linda redirecting the focus and bringing the same constant anti-Catholic/religion din to so many other issues here, . . . and it only reveals one writer’s bias, and, in your case, another’s willingness to take the bait and fail to see what’s on the larger table and in the bigger picture (to mix metaphors).
Also, GregB . . . in my case, references to the Biden-Pelosi Catholicism are about putting Linda’s obvious bias and broad-brush innuendo, again, in its constantly overlooked context.
I’ve asked for but not received an explanation for how these real-people references, . . . used only as examples here for a much larger group of Catholics who understand and love democracy, . . . fit into that broad-brush logical fallacy that Linda cannot seem to break away from.
It’s indeed a power-grab, like in Israel and other countries, . . . but by those who, as Linda always says, wrap their own fascist power-grabbing totalitarian personalities in the Flag while they hold the Bible out as a shield.
I’m sorry you cannot see it and realize how the constant redirect of attention to Linda’s special bias hurts the very cause that, I assume, Linda and you are rightly trying to support. Gladly, neither Leonard Leo or that Jewish Netan-Yahoo (for examples) are not God or legitimate representatives of all things Catholic or Jewish, despite what Linda thinks of Leo or of what these distorted personalities might think of themselves. CBK
Catholic schools were going out of business all over the nation and vouchers gave them a lifeline. This has been repeatedly documented.. Just because many will survive does nothing to alter this fact.
Overreach is making a claim that privatization has no component to further erode the separation of church and state.
If you can’t see the the bias caused your hysterical pro-Catholic blinders, then you might be indoctrinated.
To claim the “Biden, etc. are Catholic too” is the weakest of defenses. It would be like claiming your political views are illegitimate because the cult are Americans too.
You ask for real world references and make the unsupported, bombastic claim that a “much larger group of Catholics who understand and love democracy” exists. If you are going to demand references, you can’t make up tripe like this. Here are some references:
https://dianeravitch.net/2022/07/31/voucher-scholar-turns-against-vouchers/
“There’s also a moral case to be made against voucher programs. They promise low-income families solutions to academic inequality, but what they deliver is often little more than religious indoctrination to go alongside academic outcomes that are worse than before…”
https://dianeravitch.net/2023/03/20/voucher-tax-credits-are-welfare-for-the-rich/
“Originally born out of a desire to preserve school segregation and racial inequality more broadly, the so-called “school choice” movement is enjoying a resurgence as many state lawmakers look for ways to move more kids into private and religious schools.”
https://dianeravitch.net/category/catholic-schools/
“We degrade our witness when we allow Catholic schools to be used in a propaganda campaign against public services—or against an honest reckoning with the facts.”
I honestly can’t make sense of the gibberish of the next paragraph. I’ll blame that on WordPress.
And do I read the final paragraph correctly? Since Leo and Bibi are not Catholic, it therefore negates the thesis. Weak, very weak. Leo advances the most conservative Opus Dei Catholicism within our governing structures. Bibi has a Faustian pact with American right wing “religious” figures who are sure the Jews the will among the first to go when their Rapture comes.
Also came across this outstanding (irony) piece of performance art “attacking” Diane Ravitch. I put attacking in quotes because there is so much comedy gold in it. But I loved the part where he downplays the actual number of charter schools with this tidbit: “Not very many. Lots are in former parochial school buildings.” And that sentence is immediately followed by this: “Some are run by fly-by-night characters hoping to make money.” Catholic education-adjacent, I’d say!
https://www.future-ed.org/test-annotation-post/
Thanks, Greg. I get attacked frequently, usually by people funded by billionaires. Always by people who hate public schools and their teachers.
His argument summed up: Since some charters are exceptions to the rule, that’s reason enough to expand it all, no matter the cost, fiscally or socially.
Greg,
Your cogent comment hits the bull’s eye.
I can’t fathom why fighters for public education would expect to win in the public policy arena by pretending the mammoth, right wing politicking for school privatization steered by the Catholic church doesn’t exist or, by creating a rationale of impact minimization via comparison to other hypothetical sects. Given that omission or minimization, I have no idea what a winning political strategy could look like.
Reading the comments of the Church’s protectors, I fully understand why Catholic organizations loudly proclaim right wing victories against democracy without consequence.
You should use that second paragraph over and over and over again. It precisely states what is at stake and why this issue matters. Neither of us are saying it is the most important. But it is integral. One can’t be explained without the other. The freedom of individuals to practice their religion or not is sacrosanct (Scientology excepted). Their ability to try to impose it on me or any other American through public policy is not. And we should always fight for both.
When your freedom of religion eliminates my freedom of religion, something is seriously wrong. Florida is enacting a near-total ban on religion. No abortions allowed after the six week of pregnancy. Very few, if any, women know they are pregnant in their sixth week. Women typically take pregnancy tests after missing a second period—in their eight week. It is not unusual to be two weeks late.
So, to satisfy the religious demands of evangelical Christians and orthodox Catholics, women who do not share their religion will lose their freedom and rights. I know a group of Jewish leaders has sued, claiming their religious freedom was violated by the state’s abortion law (even before the six-week limit). Why should the religious freedom of Jews be curtailed to satisfy the views of other religious groups?
Diane I am in agreement with your points in your note about Jewish abortion rights in Florida . . . as I have stated again and again here about other legitimate criticisms of both Catholic and Protestant overreach onto a democratic political field. What one’s relationship with God is, and so about their own religious questions, and how that plays into the political field, are two different questions. I don’t “defend the Church” about such concerns and never have, here or elsewhere. . . as others here overlook again and again.
And so neither Linda nor GregB need me to project their overall disdain for religion . . . at once claiming the “sanctity” of religious freedom while broad-brushing Catholicism and other religions with their hate of it. To those who just want to project their fear and hate, it seems I am a “hysterical follower and defender of the Church,” no matter what. (I do wish they both would google “logical fallacies” and self-critique on the matter of these and other aspects of the foundations of reasonable discourse.)
But Florida is really in a kind of fever pitch, as are some other states, e.g., Texas. . . . not good for anyone involved, including them.
Step back, however, and we find existential angst on both “sides” that, as existential, tend to become a deadly battle between extremes. In this case, by “existential” I mean each feels they are being taken over with totalitarian elimination in mind . . . and for many on both sides, the attempt is real and clear . . . but not for all concerned. (We all probably know people who are extremists on both sides.)
As long as the screamers and extreme voices hold the field, however, we will remain in a crisis mode. CBK
Figuratively deaf- the person who reads what I write about Catholic politicking against public schools, women’s rights, LGBTQ and voting rights and, then (1) criticizes via personal insults and (2) hijacks the thread to extol the virtues of theism.
Self-absorption appears to be in play.
How does “The freedom of individuals to practice their religion or not is sacrosanct (Scientology excepted)” lead to the conclusion of hating religions (Scientology excepted)? I am not attacking your personal faith, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of taking many of the sane positions you take and clinging to a structure that consistently undermines and destroys them.
Catherine repeatedly states views that she attributes to me. I haven’t stated my thinking in the areas she identifies because they are irrelevant. My focus is the public policy and laws that the Catholic church promotes through politicking and through its spending to influence.
To be clear about my view, I think it shows very poor judgement to support/protect an organization that attacks voting rights and the rights of women and LGBTQ and that undermines public education. When the organization is a church that is in the process of rejecting modernism and one that advances the GOP agenda, my opinion remains the same.
The benefit that an individual feels he/she gets from religion doesn’t have to exclude the dignity and rights of others.
Members of any organization that works to take away the rights of Americans and that works to achieve social Darwinism by aligning with libertarians should expect to be confronted. Whining when their organization is called out, provokes disdain, rightfully.
Linda Obviously, you remain stuck in your horizon, which I have tried over and over again to help you get you unstuck from. Your recent notes, and probably more to come, only testify to your major set of oversights, your focus on abstract “organizations” rather than on the distortions brought to them by distorted, power-grabbing founder-ignoring people, and your one-horse, duck-on-a-June-bug approach, no matter what content and conversation you hijack, twist out of shape, and intrude your bias onto. In my view, as I have tried to convey many times over, they give you allot of ammunition, even though you only spend it through your also obvious bias.
Regardless, I do like Weingarten’s speech and think she did a great service to the country and to the democratic spirit it was built on. If you or others offered her advice about focusing on the Church, I’m glad she didn’t take it. CBK
Well, this is my last comment on this issue to you, CBK, because as much as I see your point on every other issue, you, not Linda, are the myopic one. I would even venture to be more blunt if you were someone else. If you don’t get her point by now, you are truly an ideologue with no sense of proportion. And, by the way, you have never, NEVER!, addressed the reasons your church is in a fiscal crisis and why they need voucher money to cover it. Never once! I wonder why.
GregB When will you realize I am not defending such actions by the Church? On the contrary, I have always acknowledged them and said so (about Linda’s points) over and over again. But who is “myopic” here when you seem not to be capable taking me out of your prescribed ideas? You don’t need me. You only need your prescribed ideas (and I am tired of trying to explain it to you or to Linda). CBK
Your note: “Well, this is my last comment on this issue to you, CBK, because as much as I see your point on every other issue, you, not Linda, are the myopic one. I would even venture to be more blunt if you were someone else. If you don’t get her point by now, you are truly an ideologue with no sense of proportion. And, by the way, you have never, NEVER!, addressed the reasons your church is in a fiscal crisis and why they need voucher money to cover it. Never once! I wonder why.”
Greg,
Live and let live. CBK does not need to defend her religion here.
Diane and GregB Though I agree that no one need defend their choice of religious identity, I was not ignoring GregB’s question but rather giving it some thought. These are the kinds of questions that we have already answered for ourselves through our own experience, but that hang around in the background of our thought where they can get lost and so don’t often get the benefit of clear conscious treatment. Just a couple of thoughts, then:
I think at the core of it, some things have to be experienced to be fully understood; and one’s religious experience, including the experience of questioning that experience . . . and the doctrines and practices that have come “down” to us in any particular religious group, is one of those things, or, as they say, we have to walk in another’s shoes, or however that saying goes.
Also, I am not a “cradle Catholic” but had a rather “feral” existence early on . . . no religious influence at all until I had a negative (horrible) experience in my early teens with what I call a religious predator in my family (whom I have “ghosted” because she just won’t quit, even now some 60+ years later). Basically, I share (what appears to me to be) Linda’s contempt for that kind of God-this, Jesus-that, so-called religious viewpoint and practice.
But it wasn’t until I entered my (secular) college experience in my early 30’s that I began to understand the import and importance of recognizing in my self, and then the overt asking of, serious religious questions. My approach to it, however, was through the philosophers over the ages . . . whom I studied closely for years and who always had some narrative connection with the great religions, like Judaism, the early-Greek and Eastern religions and founders of movements, Christianity, and what are now the Middle-Eastern religions. And, importantly, I never saw a philosopher ignore flaws in any of these historical movements.
I will spare you the further details; but after a long and wonderful college experience, I landed in Christianity where the people I studied with were serious philosophers, some of which were Jesuit, and who, as philosophers, were faithful to their own questioning selves, but were also trying to change things from within . . . in part because . . . , not all, but many of the problems in the Church have their roots in errant philosophical views coupled with long-ago but now defunct traditions that have arisen and become habitual over a long period of time, and not necessarily in religious doctrine, OR the errancy of the philosophical views themselves, coupled with human psychological absences in development and distortions over a long history, are/were responsible for untenable doctrine and, most importantly, in its interpretation in different cultural settings.
The problems are universal, regardless of religious institution or none at all, and so more about human development and self-other understanding than about any one specific religion.
So my now long-term connection with Catholicism is through the rich philosophical tradition and life I found there. Some there would probably call me a closet liberal or even an agnostic mole. However, besides Judaism I have found no other religious tradition fits my specific needs, despite its warts, which I am happy to recognize and critique. . . not to mention that I have a long-term community of people there who appreciate the mysteries of faith and who don’t think the choice of religious life is like choosing canned fruit at the supermarket.
There is much more to it. However, I have mentioned the Commonweal online magazine here before; but if you want to understand “the big why,” that doesn’t meld with your or others’ ideas . . . insofar as it’s about all-negative RIGHT WING fascists presently living with the oligarch power-grabbers playing to theocratic tendencies under the ridiculous guise of Christianity and even Catholicism, you will find some of the answers to that question in perusing some the treatment of social, political, and religious concerns there.
If that doesn’t satisfy, then the alternate comment is, “While I appreciate your question, It’s still none of your business.” How about we given it a rest anyway. I probably won’t be “home” for awhile anyway and have stopped reading *anything” Linda writes. . . . a waste of time. But do watch for her “gotchas” after reading this note. I don’t watch soap operas, reality shows, Fox News, or cable porn either, except occasionally to see how bad things are in the pit of oxymoronic thinking that is “American intelligence” today. CBK
CBK,
I support your right to identify and practice as you choose. As you said, it’s none of my business or anyone else’s.
Review comment threads to prior posts. Having the last word is a characteristic of Catherine’s personality profile.
Linda, you regularly attack Catherine’s religion. Surely you don’t expect her to remain silent.
No.
The record shows I waited a long time before responding to Catherine’s personal insults.
I don’t attack her religion nor anyone else’s. A friend said to me after the death of her husband that it might be foolish to expect to see her husband in the after life. I replied, “It isn’t foolish to find comfort.” That pretty much sums up my attitude toward religion.
I won’t stand back when the Catholic church takes away the rights of LGBTQ, women and voting rights. Citizens of a democracy have an obligation to call out what the Church is doing while using Christ as excuse.
Commenter “Carol Kingman” is either part of the long history of God talkers who exploit others or, she’s in the despot camp that allies with God talkers for the purpose of exploitation.
When Carol is labeled a hypocrite, she says to herself, “Duh, everyone knows there is no bottom for people like me in terms of a moral code.”
Diane and All Linda just tried to hijack the whole point of Weingarten’s speech. CBK
We have to restate the usual comment: Biden is Catholic. So is Pelosi. So is Sotomayor.
Diane,
We’ll have to agree to disagree that it is reasonable to ignore obvious successful politicking against public education by the Catholic church. Your argument that some publicly, influential members of the Catholic church reject what the hierarchy of the American Catholic church says is the Church’s teachings doesn’t convince me. If those same people object, with no recourse, to the Church’s spending on anti-abortion, and anti-woman and LGBTQ rights, anti-voting rights, it also fails to convince me.
For my argument, I rely on outcomes directly attributable to the American Catholic church which have turned the U.S. to the political right, not the intent of a minority who are at odds with their Church and who have none of its resources to utilize.
Linda FYI: Again, it’s a perversion of Christianity. CBK
There will be a point in history when the attack on public education will be acknowledged as an attempt to return women to subjugation. Teaching is the career that lifted the most women into financial independence, in part via unionization. It’s not a coincidence that right wing religious are behind the threats to abortion rights AND to public education.
An article at SaportaReport (6-5-2017), explains the political change to anti-abortion in the South, “What caused Georgia’s political shift on abortion?” The answer- “In the early 70’s, many conservative protestants associated, ‘abortion on demand,’ with the feminist movement and the sexual revolution.” The Catholic church with its overt discrimination against women spun its anti-abortion plank as “sanctity of life.” Limiting the rights of women is the much more obvious intent.
The state Catholic Conferences are leaders in undermining public education. The research that backs up the opinion that the Catholic church wants to reject liberalism/modernism in K-12 is in, “The new official contents of sex education in Mexico: laicism in the crosshairs.”
Magnum opus! This is a speech that rivals the historical greats. Dare I say, it even matches some of your best works, Diane? I have read my Lincoln, King, and Gandhi. They are jealous in their graves, I say! I haven’t always agreed with Randi on everything, but I will from now on. Magnificent! Listen to her wise counsel! Thank you, Randi Weingarten. Thank you for your every word.
A great speech indeed. Kudos, Ms. Weingarten!
Diane and All FYI, I was glad to see Randi Weingarten was on MSNBC’s “Way Too Early” this morning talking about her speech. CBK
Disturbingly, the educator can become a child’s traumatizer. … As a boy with an undiagnosed autism spectrum disorder [not to mention high sensitivity and resultant also-high ACE score], my Grade 2 teacher was the first and most formidably abusive authority figure with whom I was terrifyingly trapped.
I cannot recall her abuse in its entirety, but I’ll nevertheless always remember how she had the immoral audacity — and especially the unethical confidence in avoiding any professional repercussions — to blatantly readily aim and fire her knee towards my groin, as I was backed up against the school hall wall.
Luckily, she missed her mark, instead hitting the top of my left leg. Though there were other terrible teachers, for me she was uniquely traumatizing, especially when she wore her dark sunglasses when dealing with me.
But rather than tell anyone about my ordeal with her and consciously feel victimized, I instead felt some misplaced shame: I was a ‘difficult’ boy, therefore she likely perceived me as somehow ‘deserving it’.
For some other very young boys back then and there, there was her sole Grade 2 counterpart — similarly abusive but with the additional bizarre, scary attribute of her eyes abruptly shifting side to side. Not surprising, the pair were quite friendly with each other.