Hannah Natanson of the Washington Post wrote about the rapidly spreading censorship that is casting a pall over many classrooms. State legislatures in red states have passed scores of laws describing in vague terms what teachers are not allowed to teach, even if it is factually accurate. Imagine a teacher told he must not say that slavery was wrong. Teachers comply rather than be fired. Some quit. And people wonder why there are teacher shortages!
She writes:
Excerpts from Mary Wollstonecraft’s “A Vindication of the Rights of Woman.” Passages from Christopher Columbus’s journal describing his brutal treatment of Indigenous peoples. A data set on the New York Police Department’s use of force, analyzed by race.
These are among the items teachers have nixed from their lesson plans this school year and last, as they face pressure from parents worried about political indoctrination and administrators wary of controversy, as well as a spate of new state laws restricting education on race, gender and LGBTQ issues.
“I felt very bleak,” said Lisa Childers, an Arkansas teacher who was forced by an assistant principal, for reasons never stated, into yanking Wollstonecraft’s famous 1792 polemic from her high school English class in 2021.
The quiet censorship comes as debates over whether and how to instruct children about race, racism, U.S. history, gender identity and sexuality inflame politics and consume the nation. These fights, which have already generated at least 64 state laws reshaping what children can learn and do at school, are likely to intensify ahead of the 2024 presidential election. At the same time, an ascendant parents’ rights movement born of the pandemic is seeking — and winning — greater control over how schools select, evaluate and offer children access to both classroom lessons and library books.
In response, teachers are changing how they teach.
A study published by the Rand Corp. in January found that nearly one-quarter of a nationally representative sample of 8,000 English, math and science teachers reported revising their instructional materials to limit or eliminate discussions of race and gender. Educators most commonly blamed parents and families for the shift, according to the Rand study.
The Washington Post asked teachers across the country about how and why they are changing the materials, concepts and lessons they use in the classroom, garnering responses from dozens of educators in 20 states.
Here are six things some teachers aren’t teaching anymore.
“Slavery Is Wrong”
Greg Wickenkamp began reevaluating how he teaches eighth-grade social studies in June 2021, when a new Iowa law barred educators from teaching “that the United States of America and the state of Iowa are fundamentally or systemically racist or sexist.”
Wickenkamp did not understand what this legislation, which he felt was vaguely worded, meant for his pedagogy. Could he still use the youth edition of “An Indigenous Peoples’ History of the United States”? Should he stay away from Jason Reynolds and Ibram X. Kendi’s “Stamped: Racism, Antiracism, and You,” especially as Kendi came under attack from conservative politicians?
That fall, Wickenkamp repeatedly sought clarification from the Fairfield Community School District about what he could say in class, according to emails obtained by The Post. He sent detailed lists of what he was teaching and what he planned to teach and asked for formal approval, drawing little response. At the same time, Wickenkamp was fielding unhappy emails and social media posts from parents who disliked his enforcement of the district’s masking policy and his use of Reynolds and Kendi’s text. A local politician alleged that Wickenkamp was teaching children critical race theory, an academic framework that explores systemic racism in the United States and a term that has become conservatives’ catchall for instruction on race they view as politically motivated.
Finally, on Feb. 8, 2022, at 4:05 p.m., Wickenkamp scored a Zoom meeting with Superintendent Laurie Noll. He asked the question he felt lay at the heart of critiques of his curriculum. “Knowing that I should stick to the facts, and knowing that to say ‘Slavery was wrong,’ that’s not a fact, that’s a stance,” Wickenkamp said, “is it acceptable for me to teach students that slavery was wrong?”
Noll nodded her head, affirming that saying “slavery was wrong” counts as a “stance.”
“We had people that were slaves within our state,” Noll said, according to a video of the meeting obtained by The Post. “We’re not supposed to say to [students], ‘How does that make you feel?’ We can’t — or, ‘Does that make you feel bad?’ We’re not to do that part of it.”She continued: “To say ‘Is slavery wrong?’ — I really need to delve into it to see is that part of what we can or cannot say. And I don’t know that, Greg, because I just don’t have that. So I need to know more on that side.”
As Wickenkamp raised his eyebrows and pursed his lips, she added, “I’m sorry, on that part.”Wickenkamp left the Zoom call. At the close of the year, he left the teaching profession.
Contacted for comment, Noll wrote in a statement that “the district provided support to Greg with content through a neighboring school district social studies department head.” She did not answer a question asking whether she thinks teachers should be permitted to tell children that slavery was wrong.
If I taught the same courses in American Literature today that I taught a few years back, I would be fired for sure. Several states in the U.S., now, are doing their best to ensure that pablum is served up in their classrooms. This will make them into laughing stocks and their students into ignoramuses.
Kant writes in the B Preface to his Critique of Pure Reason of the horrific possibility that at some point in the future, all the humanities and sciences will be “engulfed utterly in the abyss of an all-annihilating barbarism.”
This is precisely what is happening in red states across America. Want to see this nationwide? Elect a Repugnican House and Senate and Benito DeSantis or Jabba the Trump as President in 2024.
Excerpts from Wollstonecraft’s major work are included in every major 12th-grade literature anthology. Are districts going to throw these all out?
How about Shakespeare’s sonnets, which so say gay? LOL.
etc. etc.
The censors have never read Shakrspeare’s sonnet and if they did, did not understand them. Undoubtedly never read Mary Wollstonecraft either.
@diane — So apropos! The people who think they know everything and have read nothing, studied nothing, but seem to weasel their way into control. Dunning-Krueger effect. And when they are wrong, won’t admit it. Geez, now that I am an adult, I realize all the things I was never taught. I just told my students, “You have to study, and then study, and study the things you don’t believe in. Why? You have to understand all perspectives in order to discuss things intelligently.” Learning (like art) takes, at first, a minute and a lifetime to master. This makes me think of the time a radio talk show host let a caller go on and on about scripture in the Bible. He finally had to tell her, “Mamm, despite what you think, it’s not in the Bible.” Like today, “…well so and so said, so it’s fact.” And one more, the time the student corrected his teacher when they told him the Statue of Liberty was made out of tin. He said, “I was just there and you are incorrect.” But, tribes will stick with tribes no matter what the facts state. Perhaps now they will need to make book 2 of “Lies My Teacher Told Me.” Blessings.
Yes! Perhaps the most obscene line I’ve ever read is in a long 17th-century poem that is in all the Brit Lit anthologies, but to my knowledge, this poem has NEVER been challenged by the state censors anywhere because it is buried halfway down a long verse in nonmodern language. LOL.
The censors don’t read most of what they hate.
Diane “The censors don’t read most of what they hate.”
That’s why DeSantis keeps having to back down on his reactionary policies . . . as he did with Disney . . he doesn’t understand or think through the implications of his (fascist) policies, e.g., on this own voters. My view is: that kind of thinking makes him unfit for public office from the get-go.
It’s the same with Trump or, recently, Keri Lake . . .only they take the other side; and so, instead of backing down, they double-down, which usually runs to the extreme of their policies and statements, exposing to all how ridiculous and thoughtless they really are. Stupid is as stupid does. It makes me wonder if politics is reserved “only bullies need apply.” CBK
This is one that definitely slipped by them. LOL.
Also, note that all the standard 9th-grade literature anthology textbooks contain Romeo and Juliet, but in EXTREMELY bowdlerized versions. As much as A THIRD of the text is missing!!!! You won’t find the Nurse saying, “The bawdy hand of the dial is on the prick of noon.” lol.
They always go for the intellectuals first.
“They always go for the intellectuals first.”
YUP. With regard to intellectual prowess, Diane belongs to one group. DeSantis and garden vegetables like carrots belong to another.
Bob Don’t insult the veggies by grouping with human swill. CBK
I am the Lisa Childers in the article. They won’t let us use anthologies. The regular curriculum is created “on the fly.”
So sorry you have to live with this censorship, Ms. Childers!!!!
Thank you, Lisa, for speaking out.
Abiding by these new rules for what can and cannot be done in a classroom would be “taking a stance,” so in order to abide by them, one must not abide by them.
ROFLMAO.
Thank goodness for the press.
The bleeding irony here is, taken a whole profession, educators value truth every bit as much as the medical profession. Truth, or at least the never-ending quest to find it, is their currency.
While teaching Humanities in the mid 1990s, I attended a conference entitled, “Facing History and Ourselves,” about the holocaust and how autocracy rises. The thoughtfulness and intellectual acuity of the presenters and participants was profound. The current attacks on historical curricula that present humanity, warts and all, are what this program warned us about thirty years ago. I, and I suspect most of the country, thought at the time that we had far too many guard rails in the United States to allow autocracy to happen here. I just don’t get a sense that our media and political apparatus realize the gravity of our contemporary predicament. I keep waiting for the fever to break while the temperature continues to rise.
“for the fever to break”
Perfect. Just perfectly said.
“‘Slavery was wrong,’ that’s not a fact, that’s a stance,’. . . ”
No, that is a fact in the context of American history. Over 650,000 people died determining that fact.
Although I must say, the exchange is a good example of cojonesless adminimal wishy washy behavior.
Makes me wanna holler.
Me, too.
I never stated that slavery was wrong. What I did was to include slavery as a way that a small group of people used to increase their economic position in society. I tried to put it into the same camp with cutting off Hands in the Congo and under-paying the employees at the coffee shop.
The kids can figure it out for themselves after that
That’s one way to handle the issue, but it is still a fact that enslaving another human is wrong. It is also illegal.
Diane Yes, slavery is wrong and illegal. But the point in teaching in a democracy (where it’s illegal because it’s wrong, and especially to teenagers and adults), and as Roy points out SO WELL, is for students and our children to have plenty of incremental knowledge (not just aimed at jobs and making money), and then to judge right or wrong for themselves. They’ll do that anyway, BTW, but less so if they think it’s being forced on them.
As an aside, like Roy, I learned to trust my students. I taught ethics in a philosophy 101 class in Virginia and started every course with having students write a brief essay on whom they admired in their lives, and for what reasons. Every response for over four years was about extremely ethical people in their lives–this was right in the first class.
Of course, pathologies exist. I never experienced anyone that I could identify as pathological, but we can recognize them when, like Trump, they identify with thugs like Hitler and Putin and don’t seem to know the difference between running a “reality” show and being President. CBK
Agree with this whole-heartedly. Res ipsa loquitur.
IKR? All you need to teach about what the South was fighting for is contained in the fact of an agrarian economy that managed to produce a thriving middle class and an über-wealthy upper class—while maintaining competitive product prices– thanks to captive humans paid nothing more for sunrise-sundown labor than subhuman quarters and meager, low-quality food.
What king Leopold did in Congo was worse than slavery. Worse also was his using his reputation to suggest that he was usurping the slave trade with his operations in Congo, while killing people who did not deliver the proper amount of rubber.
I feel we are fixated on slavery in America. I felt I should point out the variety of human methods of exploitation in order to overcome this tendency.
Roy and Catherine,
What you describe is the excuse that the news media gives when they have so internalized the belief that the “ideal” journalism is to “both sides” both truth and lies and assume that the public will make their own value judgements.
What is missing is that one side bends over backward to AVOID saying slavery is wrong — they just present it as maybe it’s wrong, maybe its right, we don’t want to say and you should figure it out for yourself. And the other side says “Sure there were some bad parts of slavery but there were also lots of good things that came out of slavery, some masters treated slaves kindly and the people who are telling you that slavery might have had some long-lasting affects hate America and hate white people.” And then “our” side rebuts with the milquetoast “we can’t really say that slavery is wrong because we support every child deciding for themselves whether or not it is wrong.” Which just NORMALIZES those who take the position that slavery wasn’t all that bad.
And then our side wonders why so many people believe lies.
In my opinion, it is possible for a teacher to impart all the relevant information about slavery you both mentioned and ALSO say “it was wrong”. If the teacher avoids saying it was wrong, it just signals to the students that whether or not slavery was wrong is simply an arguable opinion.
Same goes for events like the Holocaust and annihilation of 6 million Jews. If a teacher was careful not to teach their students whether the concentration camps or mass shooting graves were right or wrong, I would wonder why.
NYC public school parent: I also said that if we say “it’s wrong,” (or even right) we need to keep the discussion open and be prepared to explain and to say why you think what you do.
Also, being a journalist is not the same as being a teacher . . . a bit of a difference where audience is concerns, not to mention goals.
The further distinction in teaching, that is often overlooked, however, has to do with developmental factors in whichever age groups we are teaching. Even for one second grade class of 25, there are sizable factors between individual children . . . in part, that’s what you pay the teacher for . . . understanding their students’ developmental situation and offering age-appropriate contexts and curricula.
Also, younger children are apt to follow the teachers’ line of thinking (it’s wrong works when you cannot explain because students are too young to understand nuances that, in turn, they will NEED to understand for themselves later. When you say to an older child up front that “it’s just wrong,” without offering explanations or asking THEM questions, they easily just pack it in with the rest of their top-down dogma.
That’s what I meant by “gradually” passing the reigns over–it’s about knowing the developmental moment of your students, generally, within a 20 year framework and where history is changing all the while. It’s also the difference between doctrinal education, where we leave students with a bunch of do’s and don’ts, but with little understanding of their own, and teaching as leading. CBK
NYC public school parent Addendum: In my view, it’s not normative, but rather a failure of education and culture in the US (at least) when journalists cannot assume a modicum of reasonability and critical thinking in the adults they write and speak to (though the vast numbers and “platforms” don’t help either).
This situation, however, has years of “oligarch manipulation” written all over it. What Roy said about Koch and company (and others) rung a lot of bells with my understanding of our present situation. CBK
**NYC public school parent: “. . . a teacher was careful not to teach their students whether the concentration camps or mass shooting graves were right or wrong, I would wonder why.”
I mean no offense here, but I think this characterization misses my other points entirely. YES, for younger children, NO for older ones.
On your other point (where you agreed with Duane), no one can make a judgment for another person . . . when children understand for themselves and not just mimic or please the teacher, then they can judge for themselves, and it’s the own. We can make children take tests and check the right box, or say the right thing, but if understanding isn’t present, it’s just a lot of bells and whistles. CBK
Roy,
Saying that slavery is wrong doesn’t stop you from also saying that what King Leopold did was also wrong.
I think the Holocaust was wrong and slavery in the US was wrong and since both were terribly, horribly wrong, I don’t think there is any need to even discuss which is MORE wrong. At some point, it’s like the useless debate of whether shooting someone or knifing them is “more” wrong.
Worse than slavery? You speak, Roy, as though slavers in the Americas did not do the same sorts of things that the Belgians did in the Congo. But, of course, they did. The Spanish used to set their dogs on Arawak children to tear them limb from limb. They used extreme tortures on them. White Southerners in the U.S. would cut off the genitals of repeatedly recalcitrant black men and make them eat them. And then there is this:
Click to access Saidiya-Hartman-Venus-in-Two-Acts-1a1v7bq.pdf
I damned well said that slavery was wrong. And I told my students how the slavers saved the auctioning of the girls 12 years and older to the end of the day because they brought the big dollars.
from the good Christian Southern men
Comment in moderation again. CBK
Sorry, CBK. WordPress has a Will of its own.
Thank you, Diane. It’s beginning to feel a bit creepy. CBK
Every kid I ever taught knew I thought slavery was wrong. I also pointed out the fact that slavery in America was tied to race because of the freedom the frontier gave to white slaves, making being African a crime. I would point out that 95 percent of enslaved Africans went to a type of slavery where owners deliberately worked them to death so insurrection was less likely.
My point above is that children need to know slavery is not the only atrocity humans have visited on each other. I think we in America have often been taught that the Civil War cleansed our country of its greatest sin by destroying slavery. It would be hard to argue that the period of white supremacy that followed the demise of slavery was not pockmarked with its own atrocity. It would be equally difficult to argue that breaker boys who sorted coal to the detriment of their spines were not subject to their travails for precisely the same reason as slaves: the avarice of a few powerful men and their desire for social and economic power.
I often feel that our emphasis on slavery arises from the same impulse that led Nineteenth Century Southern reformers to oppose alcohol consumption with a passion. It helped them overlook their greatest sin: slavery. It almost seems we fixate on slavery in order to avoid discussion of our other malfeasances. There is little doubt that human greed produced slavery, but it produced and is still producing other social ills that tear at the fabric of society.
Catherine @3/7 7:33 pm– I agree. If slavery pops up in PreK-2 curriculum, teachers would pretty much need to say of course that was wrong and was ended long ago. And age 7-8 can be a time of fears and nightmares as kids begin to grasp mortality– fortunately, teaching about holocaust doesn’t begin before sometime in 5th-8th grade. By then no one needs to announce that rounding people up for forced labor, torture and mass murder was wrong.
bethree5 Besides the fact that slavery will always be wrong, in terms of educational methods that lock in such ideas, I think we are looking at how racism and various kinds of phobias and biases are generational, and so difficult to uproot . . . as some need to be, . . . like sexism, racism, fill in the blank.
In racist/sexist families and households, or where other phobic ideas openly thrive without question, children’s lives are filled with ideas that “it’s wrong, period” (or again, right). So ideas of this sort, and just cultural habits (like man/woman-only marriages), get set as internal doctrine, as “the way things are,” again, period. Also, such ideas presented early in a child’s life get tied deeply into their/our feelings and images and where “whispers occur in our stream of consciousness,” as when someone is automatically revulsed at seeing two men kissing or a trans show, even when they have learned otherwise.
A child gets “dogmatized” (indoctrinated?). Then they/we get out into the world, or watch TikTok or TV, or have a Muslim or black family move close in the neighborhood, or even a disabled person, or get confronted at school where some of those ideas come under challenge.
This is why timely explanations and leading reflective discussions, both in families and in schools, are so important, and why what most mean by “critical thinking” is essential to develop as a habit of mind, especially in a democracy where such biases and more dogmatic (thoughtless) habits are under constant challenge.
The mentality that accepted slavery as “the way things are,” without giving another thought to it, really existed, after centuries and generations, is finally being washed away; but it still shadows some people’s thought, not to mention its progeny, racism.
It’s not that “anything goes,” but that fostering an educational environment that includes the habit of reflection and self-reflection (critical thinking) is essential, precisely because of “the way things are” with human developmental patterns. Where solid issues like our earlier example of slavery is concerned, though early-told “it’s wrong,” when a child is ready to understand for themselves, then if good change is to occur, it’s the job of parents and teachers to question them, to get them to think it through, and to say for themselves and to themselves, . . . why. CBK
Well said.
I remember one 7th-gr class better than the others. Our social studies teacher taught us to learn about and distinguish between various political viewpoints. We studied how the same issue was covered by a collection of major newspapers and magazines of the day that ranged from what we today would call progressive to very conservative.
I hadn’t been aware of the extreme ends of the media spectrum, and was surprised at the subtle differences even among what seemed “all the same” to me at that age [e.g., Newsweek, Time, USNews & World Reports].
We probably did not use the word “bias” at all, but I felt like I had new eyeglasses after that unit.
I really don’t understand why some posters on here seem to support censoring teachers from saying that slavery is wrong.
They seem to be presenting an example that would NEVER happen — where a teacher gets up and says “slavery is wrong, next lesson”.
But that isn’t what anyone is talking about. They are talking about teachers giving lessons about slavery but censored from saying outright it is wrong.
And what I don’t understand is anyone believing there is a value in having a class discussion about whether or not slavery is right or wrong. The terms of the debate MATTER in scholarly settings. Setting the terms that the right wing wants is being brainwashed into believing in the right wing definition of being “fair and balanced”.
The discussion could be about the various reasons that some people supported slavery, or why some people recognized earlier that it needed to be abolished.
But there is absolutely no reason to have a discussion about whether slavery is right or wrong, and just HAVING that discussion sends a clear message top older students that the question is DEBATABLE.
Is whether racism is good or bad “debatable?” The right wing would like it to be. “Let students make up their own mind”.
It plays right into the fascist handbook to turn truth into something that is “debatable”. Where students “make up their own mind.”
Debating whether slavery was wrong is like debating whether Hitler was wrong to try to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
NYC parent: It’s not a debate. It’s informing and helping children explore and understand for themselves.
Others here have said how they teach in their actual classrooms without throwing out judgments or ending discussion, and how they can recognize when children are “getting it,” about slavery (or whatever), without just saying “it’s wrong.” Teachers can tell the story and give examples and reasons (good or bad) about what’s going on (like making money and supporting the economy off the backs of Black people), and children draw their own conclusions.
I taught a college class in Virginia with the centerpiece as a docu-movie “The White Rose” about Nazi resisters in Germany during WWII (in the end the Nazis beheaded them). Once they see something like that, no one HAS to say “it’s wrong.” These were first year college kids. Some had no idea about WWII or the Nazis. It wasn’t long before they were just like you. Who would argue that what Hitler and the Nazis did was right? Young adults already know it (as with slavery) and are commonly very sensitive to violence against others.
And if you read the prior notes, I don’t think anyone says they can’t say it’s wrong, especially if asked. It’s a matter of doing the teacher’s job of developing meaning before ending exploration with a judgment. It’s not that no one can make a judgment . . .it’s just a matter of having our judgments as fully informed as possible. I think also that it’s easy for us to forget what it’s like to be a child involved in the learning process.
At the crux of it, however, is that all this falderal about politicians intruding on academic studies with their obvious political power grabbing (women’s studies?) are about erasing history and not about teaching about it. So regardless of how it’s taught, they just want it gone. (Not to mention setting back thousands of years of progress.) Be careful what you wish for. If we don’t want that kind of history repeated . . . someone or group wanted slavery to happen . . . why would that be? The job of our educational institutions, especially when teaching all sorts of history, is not merely to pass on judgments but to help students understand why people make them.
My view is that what they were doing in that document is, like the writer suggests at the end of the note, is merely one step that makes it easier to take the next one. They don’t want to be asked questions from a bunch of politically aware students. CBK
nycpsp @ 3/8 5:17pm– I think what you’re seeing is posters getting into preferred pedagogy for teaching critical thinking. They’re not addressing your point “They are talking about teachers giving lessons about slavery but censored from saying outright it is wrong.”
And that to me is the most interesting import of this article. Because the law doesn’t in fact say anything like that. [text here: https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/publications/LGR/89/HF802.pdf ] Nor is there anything like “just teach the facts, don’t take a stance.”
These are Supt Noll’s torturous interpretations as she tries to anticipate what kind of shit may hit the fan due to this law. If she sounds like a suspect being interrogated without the presence of her lawyer, that’s because in a sense she is. The article is a perfect illustration of how legal micromanagement of what may/ may not be discussed in the classroom chills and dumbs down education.
Tennessee has TEN laws already (map link in WAPO article).
Even with no laws, the rhetoric wins the day: Scare teachers!
It’s death by a thousand cuts.
It’s them (right) shrewdly having clear INTENDED consequences while hiding behind, “of course there will be a few unintended consequences” of these laws.
It’s “teachers are caring, peaceful people – let’s scare the hell out of them and they will silence themselves.”
It’s “you just can’t trust those public schools to protect your kids from evil – brainwashing – indoctrination”
They’re dumb but they’re not stupid.
Diane This conversation speaks to the other thread about the Texas video conference. In my view, there is a missing step in their understanding the teacher-education-student relationship.
To be very brief, in an open university, based in a quasi-democratic political field, rather than teaching doctrine (indoctrination), it is about informing well (if there is an ideology, it’s about truthful discourse) so that creating the ground for the development of wisdom and the qualified authority to make judgments and decisions, is transferred from the teacher (authority) to the student (citizen, depending on age, of course).
But teachers don’t have to say “slavery is wrong” or what Hitler did as political and social policy, was wrong, and so to teach ABOUT either . . . to foster a good education in their students. To teach THAT these things occurred is one thing; and to try to make the judgment that it was WRONG for the student is quite another. In between those two things is the set of conditions that lead students to question, to have insights and understand, to reflect and discuss further, and then to make their own judgments and decisions about it.
So those anti-book people are either not understanding the difference between education and indoctrination, OR they are identifying openness to understanding and truth as, itself, some sort of indoctrination. It’s indoctrination if it goes against THEIR closed-off set of ideologies. So it’s “my ideology” against “your ideology.” We’re back to tribal consciousness again. Getting what used to be called a liberal education to be proud of is anathema to ideology.
And again, there is hidden in that difference between data fields, the further difference between testing for knowledge (yes/no X actually happened or not), and this X theory says that, and indoctrination and testing for it. The further difference is between understanding (and testing for), say, physics or math, and understanding and testing for human sciences, the arts, humanities, history and philosophy, etc. There is no such thing as Catholic as distinct from Muslim or atheist physics. Nor one for black people and one for white. Scientific communities have different ideas, but their ability to collaborate shines . . . precisely because of the relative standardization of their data fields (their data are not consciousness, which BTW adheres to development and dialectical principles and methods, and not only to classical and statistical sciences).
Whereas the human sciences, the arts, etc., by their nature, besides knowing ABOUT X, a humanities education sets the conditions for students to develop humanly. (Hence, the term “techno-fascist” arrives on the scene.) In a democracy, humanities are more, not less, important precisely because for a democracy to flourish, its citizens must be developed as persons. And that’s why authoritarians will embrace tech and physics, while hating education and burning books.
Regardless of what parents or teachers want, however, even when involved in indoctrination, children’s and our own interior life, where understanding occurs, and where judgments and decisions are made, has a privacy about it. And of course, we can not only be wrong, but we can lie.
Also, teaching to children and to adults differs in that regard, if you think of the term “in-fluence,” the younger a child is (and for adults, the less educated they are), the easier it is for teachers and authoritarians to “influence” their students and “followers” with their own unmoderated, unexplained and undiscussed ideologies. The Texas conference is about teaching at the college/university level. Education is a dangerous thing.
I used to think by the time most Americans got to college, they would be able to recognize the difference between ideology and truth, between a scam artist and a genuine person. . . . but things have changed. (I would have written a shorter blog note, but I didn’t have time.) CBK
“I used to think by the time most Americans got to college, they would be able to recognize the difference between ideology and truth,”
It is almost impossible for most to overcome religious faith ideologies since it is drilled into one’s head from birth on through faith belief rituals, holidays, services, etc. . .. Not only that but also drilled into one’s head is the concept that it is totally unacceptable to question another’s religious faith ideologies wherein it is considered totally rude and bad form to question such things.
What about those who don’t go to college of any sort?
If what you say is true in recognizing between ideology and truth, would that not kill any religious faith beliefs for those so exposed. Which then gets us politicians who claim to be speaking for those who don’t get the chance to understand that difference.
You are right, Duane. People most often become what their parents drilled into them for years.
My family heritage on both sides came to the South in the 17th century. My mother’s family was Scotch-Irish and my dad’s English. Their legacy’s were profoundly “Lost Cause” and many of my cousins are of that point of view. My dad was an Episcopal Priest who played an oversized role getting Chattanooga, Tennessee integrated in all areas while my mother was a staunch supporter of the public schools where she frequently advocated for high school parenting classes in front of the school board and served an early school feeding program. One of my goals is to take on a project to try to understand how two individuals from such profoundly conservative Southern families could become progressive. Of course I am very much a product of their upbringing, but my parents worked hard to instill independent thoughtfulness in all of their children. I would posit that much of my political perspective is influenced by my positive experience in public school integration as a student in the 1970s South. Where individuals go politically and socially in life has a variety of influences. I have seen parents work hard to keep their children in their perspective, while I have also witnessed progeny who pursue political rebellion. Fox has proven that propaganda works, but somehow not everyone gets hoodwinked.
Hi Duane I have to answer your reflective note quickly because I am on my way out the door . . . will return much later.
Three things came to mind: First, I know many people who didn’t attend a day of higher ed who are quite well educated (by the general definition developed here). Although the immersion and rigor of formal ed are important, it’s what happens there, which also may NOT happen there . . . but can also happen informally when we keep up our own openness of mind, reflection and self-reflection, reading, etc., educational activities. (I know some real dumbos who have high educational degrees.) Also, “Just Wrong” does it for me in my life in many, but not all situations; (I’m 76 . . . if not now, when). But for educating another person in a public system who is not your own young child, that’s an empty slogan that needs to be understood fully BY THEM. Otherwise, you invite the ideological thinking you seem so opposed to yourself.
Second, what you say in the rest of your note (it seems to me) isn’t much different from the early-doctrinal training that IS needed early on (and that you talk about in your note that IS religious training), but that too-often doesn’t have a plan to gradually transfer authority for living from the doctrinal training to understanding for oneself (again, gradually as we develop). And there is often in play ( what Eric Voegelin calls) the libido dominandi both personal and institutional, that hates letting go of the power that starts out rightly, but then gradually becomes false. (Like recently, poisoning girl students.)
Third, It’s a terrible tension we live in where, the “from below upwards” principles that hold a democracy together live in tension with those that harbor a “from above downwards” set of principles, like family and church and, more moderately, groups we choose to belong to; and then on the other side, cults, gangs, mobs, and totalitarian governments.
Living in a dialectical tension with reason, and with reality as it fire-hoses us every day, is what that means to me, rather than empty-headed, rubber-band, ideological reactions. Might as well put a bumper sticker on their foreheads. There’s another meaning for “base,” and that’s it. CBK
“To teach THAT these things occurred is one thing; and to try to make the judgment that it was WRONG for the student is quite another”
There are some things that are just WRONG. To not tell students (thinking k-12) that, indeed, there are wrong and very harmful, if not deadly, actions is a disservice to society in my thinking. It seems that you are advocating that all students will come to a certain conclusion. . . that X is wrong when told certain facts but that outcome is in no way a sure thing.
Yes, students need to hear that there are somethings that are WRONG coming from a main adult in their life. To not do so a teacher abrogates their ethical charge.
Agreed, Duane.
I agree, too.
Duane– I am not so sure about that. To me, the right approach is to teach the basics about equity [what is “fair” and “not fair”], treating all with equal respect [the golden rule] and empathy [putting yourself in the other’s shoes & responding with emotional support]– heavily in PreK-2, but continued throughout K12. [And, it goes without saying, illustrating/ implementing these principles in the classroom daily.] If you do this, the rest needs no “stance”— no preaching what is “wrong” or “right,” no indoctrination. The facts will do. Students will arrive at the appropriate conclusions. [And the more facts they get, the more nuanced will be their conclusions.]
Agreed, entirely, Duane! We have a DUTY to be clear about this to students. We are models to them. Or will be, often, when they have grown up a bit.
It isn’t “indoctrination” to teach about slavery and ALSO include that it is wrong.
The use of the term “indoctrination” in the context of teaching a child about things that are indisputably wrong is a big red flag.
Why use that term? Do we say that teaching a child not to use a baseball bat to bash the head of another kid is “indoctrination”? Do we have to simply tell kids what the consequences are let them decide for themselves whether or not they are bothered by the hospitalization of another kid?
Of course it is IMPORTANT to give students all the facts that help them understand why something is wrong. But it is also a good thing to make it clear that some things are just wrong.
The term “indoctrination” is overused by the right wing and it has convinced way too many Americans to believe lies over truth. “Indoctrination” implies that someone is trying to brainwash you into believing a lie.
Teaching that something is wrong isn’t “indoctrination” if the thing you are teaching about is wrong.
To the rightwing, everything is indoctrination except adoring Trump
The whole parents’ rights movement is mostly a fabrication. It is an artificial politically motivated scheme designed to rouse the most extremist parents and give them license to attack school boards and teachers for doing their jobs. These are astroturf groups backed by the dark money of the Koch network and other radical groups that are trying to incite distrust in public education and democracy. These vague, subjective laws have been created to give these radicals fuel for their fire, and it gives the right wing a divisive talking point to prepare for the 2024 election.
As I ended my career as a principal, I became convinced that the growing chasm between the school house and its community came from a total ignorance about the nature of the school as an organism. Many of those promoting autocracy have moved to exploit this blindness and gullibility while public school advocates can’t seem to get out front with the general public. I have conversations all the time with intelligent we’ll intentioned friends who have little understanding about learning and child development. Many of us understand the value of a supported teaching community with autonomy. Others are scared of it.
So true, rt. The idea– as in all Rep politics these days– is to give the minority an outsize voice. Others will follow along out of manufactured “peer pressure,” or simple habit/ apathy.
Need to delete “mostly” out of that first sentence.
I read something else disturbing early this morning, 0400 ish, that is a form of MAGA censorship on steroids.
I can’t find the link to that news piece now. This is what I remember reading.
The news piece mentioned that a two-year technical college in south Utah with about 4500 students that’s been around for decades (about 80 or 90 years) was swarmed by MAGA candidates who took over its board and are getting rid of college courses and firing staff suspected of being WOKE, until the two year technical college is at risk of losing its accreditation, its credit rating, and have to close its door.
Find the link
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I am so glad I teach in a free state like NY
I “love” how even in these studies, focus is only on the tested subjects. WHY on earth were history and geography teachers not asked????
In the mid 1960s I began a career teaching US History and Government in a public school in Michigan. After my first year of teaching I asked to be allowed to select a new text to use in my classes. I quickly found that all of my choices for an American History text had been subjected to censorship. At that time and still today all the available American History texts have to be approved by the State Boards of Education of Texas and California. All of these texts have a heavy dose of the state histories of Texas and California. We were expected to have lessons on the Texas war for independence from Mexico stressing the heroes of the Alamo; the story of the 1849 California Gold Rush, the Pony Express riders who connected California to the East, and the Transcontinental Railroad. But there was no mention of that the root cause of the American Revolution occured on June 2, 1763 when the native Americans attacked the British garrison at Fort Michilimackinac at the beginning of Pontiac’s War that resulted in the British Parliament closing the frontier at the crest to the Allegheny Mountains and imposing taxes on the American Colonies to pay for garrisoning the frontier and the Great Lakes to suppress the Native Americans and protect the fur trade. There also is no mention that the first steam railroad built west of the Allegheny Mountains was by the Erie and Kalamazoo Railroad Company that received a charter from the Territory of Michigan to build a railroad from Lake Erie to the Kalamazoo River in 1832 nor that the first steam locomotive west of the mountains began operations on that line in 1837! Nor is there any mention of the first great mineral rush in American history in which began in 1841 when large deposits of copper were discovered on Michigan’s Keweenaw Peninsula and of iron near Marquette along Lake Superior on Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. It seemed to me than and still seems to me that Texas and California along with the Atlantic Coast states want their students not to know anything of how exciting the history of the Midwest is. The only way I could overcome this censoring of Midwestern, and especially Michigan, history from the national texts was for me to supply my students with supplemental materials that covered our history.
I found the fact that two large states could select one text for Texas and five texts for California and thus censor out the history of the other 48 states to be offensive. But the censorship I faced then is nothing to the censorship that is resulting today by Fake News outlets lake Fox News deliberate falsehoods about what is being taught in our schools!
It is no wonder that teachers are electing to retire or chose another career given todays constant attacks on them and their profession. Faced with what is going on during school board meetings nationwide teachers are leaving. I fear we are watching the destruction of one of the great institutions that created the American Middle Class, free pubic education. We forget so easily that “A free public educational system is the key to a strong and powerful America.” What the Revolutionary Right Wing is doing to our nation can only be called treason. We must all fight it and make America the envy of the world again by protecting our schools and teachers.
You nailed it, Kenneth. It’s treason.
Thanks Bob, In the early 1990s I was a Michigan Education Association state level leader I was still a Republican. Then at a fundraising event for the State House Republican Caucus I was introduced to then Governor Engler as “One of our good Republican teachers.” Engler said to me “You can’t be both a good Republican and a good teacher.” I walked out of the meeting with a $1,500 check still in my pocket, changed my registration to Democratic, and when home to make more Democrats. I didn’t have to indoctrinate them in amy way. I just had to teach them to think critically about what politicians were telling them and comparing it to what they were actually doing.
If you want to see Trumpism being put into practice start following what is going on where I live (Zeeland, MI – Ottawa County, MI) where a Trumpist group was able to win last August’s primary through refusing to say what their goals were and with the help of funding from Betsy DeVos and family. They are called “Ottawa Impact” and in less than three months in power have made decisions that have already cost the county $300,000 and things are just getting worse every two weeks when the County Board of Commissioners, which they now control, meets.
Now a group of us are attending our local school board meetings to try to make sure that their allies don’t have a chance to take over our schools. If they take over our school boards, they already have taken over one (Hudsonville) will do everything that they can do to end public education and make all schools state funded private schools [Charter Schools}.
Judging from your comments I think you will find following the actions of Ottawa Impact here in Ottawa County Michigan interesting.
Sounds awful, Kenneth.
Write about it.
How wonderful, Kenneth, that you are attending these school board meetings! We need a LOT more of that!
One of the reasons I don’t consider myself as having real teaching experience in the time I taught is stories like this. I was one of the young, snot-nosed, untrained teachers we fear. But I was lucky to be in a nurturing environment that respected my unique views and experiences to find a way to convey ideas to students. I had mostly overwhelming support from parents to be creative and experimental. When I started teaching and was miserable teaching out of textbooks assigned to me, I was challenged to come up with a way I liked and I immediately got rid of textbooks and never used them again except for one I used for Ancient History. I wish all teachers could have experienced what I did. In retrospect, I realize I have never been happier in my professional life. They just didn’t pay enough to keep me around.
But will it be on the test? Fortunately history is not part of the standardized testing regime so it is possible to be creative.
I taught in two disciplines, Art and World History Humanities. this allowed me to take students places a standardized test could not restrict. It was wonderful.
Paul, one of the things lay persons do not understand about good teachers is the personal high and satisfaction they feel when things go well and you experience intellectual growth and awareness of young students. And you feel it with the students. It is a feeling I have not had since my 20s. And kind of like a junky, I still yearn for that experience. One of the few good things about social media is occasionally having former students finding me after decades and letting me know they still remembered things from our time together. Gets you through some bad days.
The general public doesn’t seem to understand how difficult the work is or the effort required to get it right beyond the classroom. It was interesting to see the response of parents who were stuck with their kids during the pandemic. It looked like they might finally get what teachers experience, but that perspective didn’t last very long. The times I do encounter former students they are really appreciative. Their comments can warm my heart. Those not in schools really miss the importance of professional time for preparation. Too many assume we just walk into the classroom and poof! everything comes together. I think good teachers are gifted, but we are not miracle workers. My oldest sister is a retired English teacher who often graded papers into the wee hours. I coached and taught out of fiduciary necessity. It can be tiring work.
Isn’t it Zeeland where they banned Harry Potter – all those Satanic witches etc?
Bob. People are moving TO red states and LEAVING blue states. Can you figure out why? 🤔😎
Follow the money. The blue states are VERY attractive. This has led to high population density in them and very high costs for housing. So, people are going to places where things are cheaper because these places are LESS desirable.
Not difficult to figure out. Yes, you can get a cheaper house in rural podunk, across the street from hillbilly Repugnicans.
Plus, contrary to macro-data, there are substantial pockets of progressive communities in the South. Most cities are blue. Miami and Orlando in Florida are actually resisting DeSantis. The cultural and community vibes in these cities are very attractive. Houston and Austin in Texas are two of the most progressive cities in America. I have moved to Decatur, GA (Atlanta) and it’s very progressive. These so called Red states are dominating Rural communities and as long as the politicians continue to promote ignorance, they will have a stronghold in the statehouse. If the migration patterns continue, there will be a tipping point. We are seeing it in Georgia and North Carolina may not be far behind.
My Trumper sister in rural Florida is surrounded by likeminded people. She never tries to convince me because everything she knows she got from FOX. She has asked me not to confuse her with facts, like all the admissions by FOX talking heads that they lied; they knew Trump lost. But they lied.
I have many relatives, especially in South Carolina who are Trumpsters. My point is that although we are a red region, we are not devoid of progressive thought.
Some very progressive people live in red states. Like Bob Shepherd in Florida. The Pastors for Texas Children. The Mississippi Free Press. I send money to the Mississippi Free Press and recently joined their advisory board. They are racially integrated, progressive, and expose corruption in state government. It doesn’t get any better than that, other than a blue wave sweeping out all the rascals in the South.
It looked for a while as though this would happen in Flor-uh-duh and Tex-ass, but alas, no.
What makes those blue states so attractive? Diversity, tolerance, education, wonderful dining, culture, well-maintained parks and preserves and other natural amenities. Massachusetts, California, New York. Lovely places to be. Unless you are into revival meetings, Nascar, pig or alligator wrestling, industrial pollution in your aquifers (allowed by Repugnican legislatures), and other such rural delights.
Thank you for sharing this story, Dr. Ravitch.
It means a lot to be seen by someone whose work has influenced my own.
Thank you too for your ongoing advocacy for schools and students.