John Thompson describes Ryan Walters’ frenzied campaign to be chosen as Trump’s Secretary of Education. In Oklahoma, where he is State Superintendent, Walters has been pushing the Trump agenda long before the election. He wants religion in the schools, he wants to dismantle the Department of Education, he wants to destroy public schools, he wants to purge the curriculum. He’s practically screaming, “Take me!”
Thompson writes:
We Oklahomans need to apologize to the nation for what some of us have been thinking since the election. But, how can we not hope that State Superintendent Ryan Walters gets a job in the Trump administration? As Oklahoma Watch has reported, Ryan Walters seems to be campaigning for an appointment to be Trump’s U.S. Secretary of Education. Walters has been “rumored to be angling for the post; he’s been on a taxpayer-funded national media blitz for months.” And after all, maybe Walters’s incompetence would make it harder to destroy the U.S. Department of Education than to realize his goal of destroying Oklahoma’s public schools.
Of course, I’m kidding, mostly. But at times like this, education supporters have no choice but to seek comfort in humor, no matter how absurd such jokes may be.
During the last week, as the Oklahoman reports, Walters has promised on social media that “President Trump’s agenda will be enacted in Oklahoma.” Moreover, as the Tulsa World explained, “’Freedom to pray’ is among the education policy tenets listed by Trump’s re-election campaign.” And Walters issued a memorandum to parents and school superintendents advocating for the elimination of the U.S. Department of Education and replacing its functions with block grants.”
The Oklahoman further explains that Walters has “sent a five-point memo to public school superintendents and parents, detailing what he has described as Oklahoma’s plan to implement Trump’s agenda in schools. The memo covered topics such as ‘ending social indoctrination in classrooms’ and ‘stopping illegal immigration’s impact on our schools.’” And he also complained that “‘well-funded, out of state groups’ had ‘bullied’ an Oklahoma teacher into removing quotes from the Bible from a classroom.”
Walters now promises a “new office would help protect teachers in similar situations in the future.” So, “Walters said the Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism would promote its namesake principles and make sure students and teachers can freely practice their religion.” While doing so, he blamed teachers unions for undermining faith and family.
The Oklahoma Voice adds, “Walters said public schools have been “ground ‘zero’ for erosion of religious liberty. While calling church-state separation a ‘myth,’ he ordered Oklahoma districts to teach from the Bible, sought to buy Bibles with taxpayer funds and advocated for opening a Catholic charter school in the state.”
Walters falsely argued:
It is no coincidence that the dismantling of faith and family values in public schools directly correlates with declining academic outcomes in our public schools. … In Oklahoma, we are reversing this negative trend and, working with the incoming Trump Administration, we are going to aggressively pursue education policies that will improve academic outcomes and give our children a better future.
The Oklahoma Watch also explains, contrary to Walters’ promises:
Due to the courts and lawmakers’ interpretation of the 10th Amendment, the federal government and Department of Education are not involved in determining curricula or educational standards or establishing schools or colleges.
Mostly, the department gives out money, some of which has strings attached, ensuring that schools adhere to federal non-discrimination laws.
Even so, we are likely to see Walters ramping up his attacks on Oklahoma schools in order to impress Trump. After all, “Trump proposes having parents elect school principals, abolishing teacher tenure and adopting merit pay. He vows to encourage prayer in schools and expel more disruptive students from classrooms.”
Real world, I’ve been asking whether Walters could impose more actual damage on his home state than on the country as a whole. Could we hope that his record of incompetence would be more likely to bring his MAGA agenda down if he tackles the more complicated battles with the U.S. Department of Education (or any other national institutions targeted by the new President)? And, wouldn’t his irrational zealotry be more politically damaging to Trump if he attacks government on the federal level?
Or, are Oklahomans just worn down by the stress Walters inflicted on us, which is what he wants to dump on the nation?

“‘. . . ending social indoctrination in classrooms’ . . . ”
Decoded: drying up and putting a stop to inborn human developmental patterns that tend to prepare us and our children to live in a civil society. CBK
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Inborn human developmental patterns that tend to prepare us and our children to live in a civil society……Parent are really OK with that.
What you fail to realize is that social emotional learning programs are being purchased and used in classrooms and they collect data and involve invasive questionnaires (PBIS, Empathy Training, Grit, Growth Mindset etc). Let me tell you this…..my kid didn’t need a Growth Mindset lesson/activity/ditto before EVERY Algebra I test! He needed to learn real Algebra I and not the Common Core drivel and nonsense that was being foisted on him (and other students).
Maybe you have been out of the classroom too long to really understand what is going on? Stupid programs and policies have taken over human connection and common sense and it is playing out very poorly in the classroom. Just ask any teacher and they will confirm that behavior has gotten worse under these “programs”….and they suck time away from actual learning.
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LisaM: “Ending” is the language of the extreme. Education is about drawing out those developmental patterns that indeed, are inborn . . . like human wondering and learning itself, always in an already patterned and overlapping developmental context. (This is current cognitional theory which is available for anyone to study for themselves, and anyone can recognize its patterning in oneself.)
Teachers, writers, students, parents, however, are never absolutely perfect, always moving and growing through life. Public education and its history have also developed around that same inborn pattern or “model.”
The speaker, however, just wants to focus on the negative side of the dialectical argument, avoid the good, and instead of working authentically with how things have already evolved under a democratic ideal, replace a long-standing tradition (of democracy as as open and moving and that is connected with the education of “the people”) with their own extreme and ideological ideas–which are impossible to distinguish at this point in time from the extremes of fascism.
Do mull that over knowing that I am completely aware of some of the serious issues you in fact are facing at your children’s school today. CBK
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CBK,
I tried to be quite aware of what my kid was learning in their NYC public schools and not once did I ever come across any SEL program that alarmed me. I don’t recall seeing any “programs” at all, but the schools did teach tolerance and kindness and acceptance and anti-bullying, which is essentially the opposite of the values that Trump espouses and that apparently too many Americans (not as many young people as middle aged pre-SEL folks) think are fine.
I hear in the news that DEI and SEL programs are ruining schools, and companies and hiring practices in universities, but when I talk to people I know and trust IRL about their specific experiences, it seems as concerning as the “critical race theory taught in public schools” crisis. Which also mystified me since the “crisis” seemed manufactured.
I don’t doubt other parents’ experience, but sometimes when I ask for very specific examples of what exactly happens in the classroom that is so damaging to students and their ability to get a good education these days, it turns out not to be quite as harmful as advertised.
I used to complain about how math was taught in the pre-Common Core era — I wasn’t all that fond of Everyday Math either, until I realize how much better my kid understood math than I did, despite my being able to recite multiplication tables faster.
I didn’t mind the Common Core curriculum – I minded the Common Core TESTS. They aren’t the same thing, in my opinion.
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NYC: I think the irony is that many of the problems in K-12 that people complain about (rightly) have their roots in the same “drown the baby in the bathwater” movements from 30-40 years ago, and the short-sighted RA-RA people who know no better than to support the slow take-down of all things public, including education. That movement is multi-fingered and layered, and I think is just now coming to its intended fruition.
Its inauthentic nefarious center is evidenced AS nefarious by the elemental dissonance and rejection of the worst of their plans by the voters all over the country, e.g., vouchers and charter schools. I’m just sorry that decades of students going through their K-12 education have had their educational experience diminished by having to put up with the likes of Betsy Devos, Rob E., and so many others who are so careless about those who have been put in their care. CBK
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SEL seems like just another faddish product for companies and consultants to sell to school districts. I don’t know much about it—my kids are old enough to have missed out on this—but perusing the Wikipedia page I see some gems.
“In some school districts, students are asked to enter their current mood or feelings into an app every day, as part of the social-emotional learning curriculum.”
“Empathy training” gag
“Speaking on the importance of empathy, molecular biologist John Medina states that the more empathy training students as well as teachers get, the better their grades will become.”
“Equity” gag
“In 2019, the concept of Transformative Social and Emotional Learning (Transformative SEL, TSEL or T-SEL) was developed. Transformative SEL aims to guide students to “critically examine root causes of inequity, and to develop collaborative solutions that lead to personal, community, and societal well-being.”[9][10] In 2020, CASEL updated the definition of SEL to include a stronger focus on equity, and added information about Transformative SEL as one form of SEL implementation that can focus on equity”
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Yes, I hear about all these examples “in some” (unnamed) school districts – maybe the same ones where Critical Race Theory is being forced on 5 year olds and parents send their kids to school where they get surgery and come home a different gender – and yet I haven’t met a parent IRL whose kid actually did any of that! My guess is that it is just as exaggerated as most other right wing attacks on education. Like kids were asked to do this for a week or two in some school somewhere and then it was forgotten.
There have always been principals or private school headmasters or school boards who grab onto the latest fad and do it poorly. In the 1970s, I spent 2 years learning math and English via “CPL cards”. I loved it because instead of boring class, kids would get big cards from a box and race to finish as many assignments as possible. But the fact I liked it that doesn’t prevent me from seeing it was likely a terrible idea for many other students. As a parent I found the same phenomenon — the math or reading program your kid loved, other parents hated, and vice versa. But somehow this reality that no school – public or private – is perfect became politicized by the right wing, and (thanks to some underhanded, immoral charter CEOs getting outsize salaries from billionaire anti-public school folks) the fact that all schools have issues morphed into “here is a perfect charter school that every school can be like if only the union teachers weren’t so lousy.” I always wonder at people who throw children and teachers and schools under the bus for their own power hungry interests.
Equity isn’t a gag word for me. But, whatever.
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Can you possibly abide by Diane’s wishes that you not respond to my comments? I know it must be difficult but you can do it!
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FLERP: Were those “wishes” or just suggestions? I thought they were suggestions. The truth is that no one can fix another person’s clogged sieve . . . waste of time. CBK
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You have a lot of chutzpah. I responded to CBK in a thread that you were not part of.
I was surprised you chose to insert yourself in a conversation that already included me, but you did. And I didn’t think it was a big deal.
After the election, I didn’t see any reason to be gratuitously nasty to you just because you chose to participate in a conversation thread that already included me that you had not chosen to participate in previously.
Why do you have to be this way?
After the election, I think we could be kinder to one another.
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Why might this guy actually get the appointment? It’s in the playbook:
Trump will continue the brash, outrageous, and anti-liberal outbursts as a smokescreen and vote-getter while doing the real dirty work of privatization, deregulation, and ideologizing public agencies.
Selecting Gaetz and now reading that MO AG “Anti-Woke” / “Sue the public schools” Bailey was a candidate is an indicator. He wants to USE U.S. institutions for his deregulation, privatizing, autocratic agenda and USE the people in his base who howl at hot button issues and get votes. His strategy.
Selecting Walters for the Dept of Ed serves that purpose. They don’t want to close the department, they want it’s cabinet seat, funding, and authority to institutionalize their agenda.
The broader message is:
1) Select people who will attack “democrat” (and democratic) institutions (Pentagon, education, truth) but use those institutions for power and control.
2) Select a few people who are “Disrupters” – those who throw hand grenades for the sake of throwing them at anything established while he’s seriously deregulating, defunding anything public, and establishing his army (literally and figuratively) to go after issues and ENEMIES.
3) He’s accomplished upsetting apple cart. The man seriously wants to have a new unicameral government, much like Russia and others.
This also highlights lessons learned from ANOMALIES LIKE MISSOURI! And, three states voting down vouchers and others.
Voters voted overwhelmingly for every GOP candidate and red at all levels HOWEVER passed eliminating the MO abortion ban and raising minimum wage by double digits.
This place and others want gop reps, but on actual issues that affect actual lives, this may be an indicator that actual specific issues are separate from blanket voting gop.
We know the public’s opinion and data (Thank you Carol and NPE) on charters, vouchers, privatization. They don’t want them. WE need to co-opt their language of “parents rights” “fully funded public schools” “accountability” and define them with what they should be for the majority.
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BTW, And in Missouri, apparently, Mitt Romney wrote in his autobiography about Trump’s practice of threatening and bribing Congresspeople during the impeachments (using both fear and favor) to get a solid red line of people who wouldn’t vote against Trump, regardless of how much evidence they piled up, and not to mention what has emerged since then. (I wrote about it here on other threads.)
I say “apparently” because, with the above as background, the question emerges with regard to the House decisions about Trump’s cabinet selections and their potential approval by people who NEVER would do so under other circumstances.
The Romney revelation was mentioned a couple of years ago on a reputable talk show–I’m going to order the book now, however. Probably one the most important pieces of this particular historical pie. CBK
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Fascism is government by bribery and intimidation. It systematically cuts out the middlemen of truth, good, reality. All is Trump. The most innocent and perfect man in or out of the world. CBK
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I totally agree that Ryan Walters has been trying out for this future role in Trump’s administration ever since he took office. My hope is that he gets the appointment and ends up like another Oklahoma politician from Trump’s first term, Scott Pruitt, who didn’t last long because of incompetence and corruption.
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“Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism”
Actually what he wants is the “Office of Religious Intolerance and Nationalism.?
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Or maybe “Office of Religious American National Government Enemies”. Better acronym.
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RFK Jr. is the nominee for head of HHS.
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Insanity.
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This is NUTS!!! RFK Jr., Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, Elon Musk, and Vivek Ramaswamy, etc., there’s no end to the insanity of the Trump cabal of goons, oafs, half-wits, propagandists, liars, scum, ego-maniacs and cheats. The damage that this band of clowns will do to the government is beyond comprehension and truly frightening.
I am still in a state of shock that Trump was even elected and with his picks for his cabinet and governmental positions. What’s next? Marjorie Taylor Greene for the Dept. of Education or the treasury or both simultaneously?
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Diane and All: Below is a “nutshell” Youtube clip that explains what Trump is doing—not picking cabinet members to do a good job for the country (which should be obvious to all by now) but to consolidate power and break down the structural power of the U.S. Government–in order to fulfill his fascist dream of totalitarian control.
It’s Rachel Maddow talking to Nicole Wallace on Wallace’s daytime program, so if you watch Maddow, it won’t be on there in this nicely condensed and clear form. Even the blurb below doesn’t capture the depth of what is going on. Shock is only one percent of its meaning. But the video itself is clear and not very long. I worry for her. CBK
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-on-trump-s-cabinet-choices-it-s-meant-to-shock-us-and-adjust-our-sense-of-what-is-normal/vi-AA1u6FlW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=3b3c90275ebd4d55b688ffe746285b9b&ei=60
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These appointments are also LOYALTY TESTS!
Rewards for his ring kissers and converts getting appointments, but more important…
The confirmation hearings are going to be running record of who is on his side and who is not. Who he “OWNS” and who will oppose him on some issues.
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https://wtop.com/education/2024/11/oklahoma-schools-superintendent-mandates-students-watch-announcement-of-new-religious-department/
Here’s how christo-fascists operate using felon Trump’s “divide and conquer” strategy. These cultists despise science, modern families and multi-racial democracy so they invent strawman enemies like “Woke teacher unions” to claim religious persecution where there is none. Are tax-free churches openly advocating for seditious traitors to be POTUS not enough “liberty”? As usual, white male grievance culture rings hollow.
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