The latest poll from Marist/NPR/PBS had good news for Biden and bad news for Trump: the public does not like liars. Being a liar is worse than being old. Note to Biden: Keep reminding people about Trump’s nonstop lying.
Greg Sargent writes for The New Republic:

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A new Marist poll takes the novel step of asking registered voters which is more off-putting in an occupant of the Oval Office: dishonesty or excessive age. The results are surprising, and along with other polling along these lines, it should influence how Joe Biden’s and Donald Trump’s relative qualifications for the presidency are covered from here on out.
The poll asked: Which is more concerning in a president, someone who doesn’t tell the truth, or someone who might be too old to serve? The results were lopsided: By 68 to 32 percent, respondents were more concerned about the lying than the aging. Given the relentless media focus on presidential age of late, that’s simply remarkable.
While the poll doesn’t directly compare Trump and Biden on that particular question, it also finds that 52 percent of Americans say Biden has the “character to serve as president,” whereas only 43 percent say this about Trump. Fifty-six percent say Trump lacks the character to serve, which surely reflects public perceptions of Trump’s dishonesty.
The new Marist poll, by the way, also shows Biden leading Trump by 50 to 48 percent. But that’s out of sync with polling averages, so we should be cautious about that finding. Still, even if the overall poll is off by a few points, the numbers on dishonesty and age remain striking.
Trump was probably the most dishonest president in U.S. history. His lies and distortions topped 30,000 during his presidency, accordingto The Washington Post. That has continued unabated: CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale tallied up over 30 lies from Trump at the recent presidential debate, while Biden’s falsehoods amounted to maybe a third of that. Critically, many of Trump’s whoppers were far more gargantuan lies—such as the claim that Democratic states execute babies—leading Dale to describe Trump’s lying as “staggering.”
Voters grasp Trump’s world-historical levels of dishonesty. This week’s Pew poll found that only 36 percent of voters view Trump as “honest.” By contrast, 48 percent view Biden that way—not good enough, clearly, but Biden’s large advantage here is especially notable given that as president, he has been subjected to a far harsher media spotlight for the last four years.
What the new Marist poll adds to this debate is the idea that voters see excessive lying as a serious problem in a president. Yet ask yourself this: How often is Trump’s lying covered that way? Trump’s dishonesty is rarely treated as a sign of his temperamental unfitness for the presidency. Biden’s age, of course, is constantly covered as an important factor in determining his fitness for the office. Biden’s age should be covered this way, to be clear. But so should Trump’s relentless lying.

Speaking of The New Republic, check out this analysis of Joe Biden. Hardly the great man that this blog absurdly pumps up every day.
https://newrepublic.com/article/183722/biden-1988-campaign-prescient-richard-cramer?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tnr_daily
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Trump v. Biden: Comparing the Records | Bob Shepherd | Praxis (wordpress.com)
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It’s a very low bar for Biden to be better than Trump. What’s so laughable about this blog’s hagiography of Biden is that for 40+ years Biden was never much respected by other politicians and liberal journalists. He was always regarded as a lightweight with an intellect far below that of Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and many other Democrats.
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Hagiography is a strong term. I am one of the frequent contributors to this blog who opposed the candidate whom I referred to as “Status Quo Joe” due to his failure to support real healthcare reform (some sort of universal coverage such as is found in every other member state of the OECD), opposition to bankruptcy, unscientific support for putting MDMA on Schedule 1, and other issues. But he has proved to be a far, far better president than I suspect. I and several others here have expressed our desire that he step down in favor of Kamala Harris, so we are not a uniform bloc. But if he were to do that, he would do so with honor, given how much he has accomplished despite the Repugnicans and despite those backward creeps Manchin and Sinema. If he stays in, he has to have our support because the alternative would be catastrophic. Trump has always denigrated our military and our intelligence services, he has brought about the unnecessary deaths of untold hundreds of thousands of Americans (via his Covid nonresponse) and of our allies (by unilaterally withdrawing from northern Syria), and he increased the deficit by 7.8 trillion dollars by giving a huge tax break to the very wealthiest Americans at a time when income and wealth inequality have both skyrocketed. He is far from a conservative. He is Dr. Destructo.
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If Biden wins and dies or resigns in two years, Harris would be president. I’m good with that.
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Allison Cather,
I was never a big fan of Biden. I thought he stood for nothing. But I have been very impressed by his presidency. He is truly fighting to rebuild the working class by reviving American manufacturing, fighting for unions, creating millions of jobs, rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure. Unlike the younger Biden, he’s striving to build a legacy and he is succeeding with a razor thin majority in the Senate now, and razor thin majorities in his first two years. He is no lightweight. He has far surpassed his predecessors in legislative accomplishments. He knows how to make things work and he has gotten bipartisan agreement on contentious issues. Clinto and Obama may get higher IQ scores but Biden has been more successful than either of them.
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Allison, Allison, Allison, I ask myself,
“Why, oh why, is Allison supporting Traitor Trump by attacking Biden?”
The answer is: Allison is allegedly a Traitor Trump Troll or Allison works for Putin and North Korea. Or maybe both.
So, I have a poem comparing Traitor Trump to President Biden.
It’s called: NO NAMES
Two men close in age
One accused of crimes with no evidence
The other
Twice impeached
Guilty of rape
Guilty of fraud
A convicted felon
Two men close in age
One honorably served the people for 54 years
The other
Cheated his workers
Cheated his Secret Service agents
Cheated university students
Cheated his wives
Cheats at golf
Doesn’t always pay his bills
Two men close in age
One never accused of rape
The other
Found guilty of rape once
And 18 women have accused him
Of sexual harassment or sexual assault
One alleged victim was 13
Brags he grabs them by the pussy
Two men close in age
One stands strong with other democracies
The other
Says he fell in love with
North Korea’s Kim Jong Un,
who wants to nuke the United States,
And calls Putin a genius
For starting a brutal war
With a smaller country
Two men close in age
One practices a healthy lifestyle
Also shows off his latest reading
The other
Three years younger, is ten years older
Eating McDonald’s and meatloaf
Drinking 12 brain damaging Diet Cokes daily
Thinking exercise is bad
Has a lethal aversion to reading
Two men close in age
One sometimes gets his facts wrong
And broke 3 of his campaign promises
The other
Does not care about facts
Lying more than 30,000 times in four years
Breaking 55 of his campaign promises
Ranked the worst president ever
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Lloyd Lofthouse provides yet more evidence that he should be under psychiatric care. The New Republic author is very left-wing and hates Trump. That doesn’t blind him to Biden’s many flaws. Same goes for me.
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So in other words the Putin troll has no refutation of his many factual statements. Critical thinking is never a MAGA strong suit.
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Biden is a mild mannered guy that has been underestimated by elitists his entire career. Being President is not a debate or an IQ test. Character matters, and Biden has shown by words and deeds that he has what it takes to make this country a better place. He is backed by a strong, competent team, and the results his first term showed that his administration is on the right track. BTW anyone that thinks Trump is a “stable genius” hasn’t listened to nonsense and hatred that this pathological liar spews.
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Allision, by “he” you mean Traitor Trump, right?
I grew up in a house with parents who never voted. After the Marines and marriage, I asked my dad why?
He said because they are all crooks, and it is a waste of time to vote. My parents grew up during the Great Depression. Both had to drop out of high school at 14 and work. Even though they were literate and avid readers, they never graduated from HS. Both were blue collar labor who worked their way out of poverty into the middle class by the time I was five. As my 92-year-old sister (14 years older than me) keeps reminding me, I never experienced the crushing poverty she did growing up.
By the time I asked my dad the question, I already had an answer. A cup have full is better than one that is empty and/or has no bottom.
Traitor Trump’s political cup has no top or bottom.
Biden’s cup is more than half full. And he has already proven that even though he is human and imperfect as we all are, he’s basically an honest Joe who has done more for the working class since FDR.
Anyone who wants to compare Joe to the traitor is free to do so from a totally unbiased source that only reports the facts.
This link should go to Biden’s pages.
Vote Smart – Facts For All
The one to the traitor.
Vote Smart – Facts For All
Another measurement of how full the two cups are: the presidential rankings by experts that follow an established set of rules to judge presidents from Washington to Biden. Biden earned the 14th spot. The Traitor was deal last.
Biden’s cup more than 62% full.
The Traitor less than 11% so to the historians and experts, his cup has a bottom and holds water — that can be measured.
Presidential experts rank all 45 U.S. Presidents from best to worst: Where did Biden and Trump place on the list? – silive.com
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Is he preferable to a sociopathic liar, racist, misogynist, adjudicated rapist and convicted felon, and seditious traitor?
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and career con man, criminal, and philanderer
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So you plan on voting for a CONVICTED FELON for the presidency of the USA?
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Being a liar is just the start of it:
An Abcedarium for Donnie | Bob Shepherd | Praxis (wordpress.com)
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It’s a long list of horrible Trump traits. In addition to being a dictator, Trump and his band of kleptocrats will rob this country blind.
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He is one of the most loathsome people who ever lived. Every one of these descriptives is demonstrable with example after example after example. He is truly bottom of the barrel.
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And don’t let Saturday’s events distract from what trump has been, is, has done and continues to do. Within minutes (seconds?) of the shooting, Republican operatives were screaming how it was all due to hateful Democratic rhetoric. Why do I have no recollection of Dem politicians going on about “vermin,” “poisoning the blood,” calls for “retribution,” round-ups and deportations? QED.
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In the debate I kept hoping Biden would simply respond, “You just keep making stuff up.” He called Trump a liar but that doesn’t seem to register as the incompetence it reveals.
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Exactly. WHY DIDN’T HE SAY THIS? Off with the gloves.
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The words would have been barely audible if he did say them.
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Honest politicians didn’t have to drop out of the 1988 campaign for POTUS after plagiarizing others’ speeches and exaggerating their academic records. Only in the United States of Amnesia can Joe Biden be considered a viable candidate for public office in 2024.
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Wow, do you hate Obama that much?
It wasn’t the American people who nominated Biden, it was Obama, who was looking for a VP he trusted.
Biden had plagiarized some parts the speech of Kinnock, 20 years earlier. Biden apologized, and made sure he did not do it again for the next 20 years. Only in America would someone impugn President Obama’s character because he considered Joe Biden a viable candidate for VP because he saw that Biden hadn’t repeated the plagiarism in 20 years.
Only in America would the person impugning Obama’s integrity for choosing Biden double down and say that 34 years — 34!!! — without a repeat plagiarism scandal still means Biden isn’t a viable candidate.
Only in America would this person say that a person should be judged by something wrong (but not criminal) he did 38 years in the past, instead of now.
Do you judge every politician equally unfit because they have made mistakes in their lifetime, or do you actually acknowledge a difference between Trump and Biden’s moral character?
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James,
I laughed at Biden in 1988 and dismissed him as a lightweight.
But in 2024 it’s a different Biden. As Bernie wrote, he has been a great president.
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Yo, James, History would like your attention:
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2021/01/07/front-pages-capture-chaos-riots-us-capitol/6577931002/
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They should also have polled whether people thought Biden and Trump were liars.
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I predict the answer to that poll will correlate strongly with the answer to the poll question: “Is Trump a stable genius?”
Or better yet, maybe the poll questions should be like this:
A. Was Obama an illegitimate president because he used a fake birth certificate and wasn’t born in the US?
B. Did the Dems “steal” the 2020 election from Trump?
C. Did Mike Pence do a bad thing for not standing behind Trump’s rightful claim to stay in office?
D. Did Trump University help people who paid money to enroll become successful businessmen?
Are Trump and Biden liars?
I wonder if the people who answer “yes” to questions A, B, C, and D believe Biden is the liar and they support Trump because they don’t want a liar as president.
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Unfortunately the answer to the only question that matters is going to be something that resembles the latest polling on the election.
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Quite likely. Republicans know this which is why their strategy has always been to make the idea of objective reality a democratic myth.
The objective reality is that Trump has spent his lifetime lying. If it was convenient to lie, he simply did, whether it was about seeing Muslims in NJ cheering as the WTC collapsed, or that he had proof that Obama’s birth certificate was fake and he was born elsewhere. Most of us the rest of us can’t simply do that, and wouldn’t do that even if we had Trump’s privilege and know we could get away with saying anything.
But do we just give up and say “well, people don’t believe there is objective reality anymore, so we have to accept it?”
How would a courtroom function if we all just accepted that there wasn’t any objective reality so there’s no way to evaluate fact versus fiction? Is it might makes right, the way courts in Russia function when someone who dares to challenge Putin is on trial? Or someone who Putin wants exonerated is on trial?
Sadly, with decisions like Cannon’s, the US is heading that way, apparently with all of our consent.
There were flaws in our imperfect court system, but we knew they were wrong and tried to make it better. Now there seems to be a consensus that we should just accept it because all these other Americans think it is okay.
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This is a brilliant poll and it speaks to the kinds of questions that the media never asks. Therefore it will be ignored.
Today, the NYT is amplifying the voices of a group of 11 Black men who support Trump (it seems many of them always did). I must have missed the NYT feature on “11 white Christian men who support Biden” in which the NYT uncritically explains that these 11 white Christian men support Biden because they were disgusted at the thought of Trump raping multiple women, and they thought it was truly awful that Trump hatched a murder plot with the Proud Boys to kill Mike Pence and Trump ordered the kidnapping of Michigan Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer because she refused to help Trump stay in office when the voters threw him out. “11 white surburban women who support Biden” aren’t featured in a story where they NYT amplifies their reasons for voting for Biden: Because Trump wants to imprison all women who had an abortion to save their lives and because Trump wants to cut all Social Security and Medicare.
This feature that uncritically presents the voices of 11 Black men who support Trump demonstrates how much the NYT has become a tool of the far right. In 1991, when David Duke was running for Louisiana Governor, the NYT amplified the views of the Black voters who opposed David Duke. “Blacks See Old Hate Behind Duke’s New Strength”.
Today’s NYT would have quashed that story and replaced it with a story that amplified the voices of the Black voters who thought David Duke made a lot of sense and had interesting ideas and how they previously believed the false stories that Duke was racist but learned the “liberal” media was just trying to trick them.
The NYT gives credibility to the people who say “I don’t want a liar for president, that’s why I am voting for Trump”. They believe that it is too biased to ask them any questions that they could not answer without having to confront the hypocrisy of what they said.
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The day after Trump was shot, the Times ran a massive, prominently featured spread with the headline “Donald Trump is unfit to lead.” Bold headers included “He is dangerous in word, deed, and action,” “He puts self over country,” and “He loathes the laws we live by.” There was five sub-essays, under the following headlines: Moral Fitness Matters; Principled Leadership Matters; Character Matters; A President’s Words Matter; and The Rule of Law Matters.
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That was a great EDITORIAL. It is already yesterday’s news.
Read today’s news coverage of Trump, or the news coverage about Trump during the weeks before the assassination attempt.
The news articles don’t support the narrative that Trump is unfit to lead — in fact they rarely even mention anything negative about Trump except to present it as “Democratic criticism” while devoting significant space to “the other side” – that whatever negative thing Trump did is perfectly fine and it’s just partisan liars who criticize it.
The NYT also wrote an Editorial that Biden wasn’t fit to be the nominee.
And flooded the zone with news articles that focused on the narrative of how unfit Biden is for weeks.
Even today, there are news stories that amplify Biden’s “problems” with voters believing he is unfit.
While writing news stories that amplify the narrative that Trump IS fit to lead! Black voters know Trump isn’t racist! Trump is leading the Republicans into a new era, taking on the free market folks because he wants to protect American manufacturing! A judge threw out Trump’s secret documents case!
The NYT doesn’t report on Trump like he is a man unfit to lead. They reserve that reporting ONLY for Biden, where almost every NEWS story reinforces the narrative that Biden is unfit to lead.
I would be happy if the NYT ran a single big editorial that Biden is unfit to lead (oh right, they did!! ) and THEN followed up by treating Biden like they treat Trump. By writing every news story as if the idea that Biden is unfit to lead is “old news that voters already know” so it isn’t newsworthy and can’t be mentioned in stories about Biden anymore.
You believe the NYT is too hard on Trump but most credible media critics understand how narratives are shaped, and it isn’t by a single editorial or even s single article that is critical of a candidate.
It is shaped by whether that narrative is reinforced by the daily news coverage. Rupert Murdoch understood this.
In the 1980s and 1990s, the WSJ used to run editorials that were extremely right wing, pushing negative narratives about Dems, but their NEWS coverage didn’t reinforce those negative narratives. In fact very conservative WSJ editors were quite angry about that.
Op eds are of little consequence if the daily news coverage does not reinforce it.
Why do you think that more voters believed that the corrupt candidate in the 2016 election was the Democrat? The NYT wrote op eds telling them other wise. But their daily news reporting reinforced one narrative – that the Dem had a very serious trust problem.
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As I’ve said many times, the constant whining about the New York Times is as inaccurate (Times reporters copiously report on stories that are negative for Trump) as they are pointless (NY Times readers are overwhelmingly Democrats (about 90%) who will vote for Biden regardless of what the paper reports on). The rage some people on the left have toward the Times seems almost pathological to me.
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Do you really not see how offensive it is that you reduced what I said to “whining”?
You cited the NYT op ed about Trump’s lack of fitness. I tried to carefully explain why there is a difference between a single op ed – regardless of how prominent it is for one day – and whether or not the opinions in that op ed are part of the “news narrative” so that readers are reminded of the urgency of that “news” in every story.
I made an effort to explain that the NYT news stories don’t refer to Trump’s unfitness because to them that is “old news” that no longer needs to be mentioned. The “Trump is unfit” narrative is excluded from news stories. Even the negative news stories you cited – like the coverage of the Supreme Court’s radical decisions protecting Trump – presented negative news as a “both sides” issue.
The NYT covers Biden with the “Biden is cognitively unfit” narrative a prominent part of every news story, even though it is as much “old news” as Trump’s unfitness is.
Many people were skeptical, but then saw a typical day’s coverage last week where even NATO news was framed in relationship to the bigger news of Biden’s cognitive unfitness.
The NYT is a big boy. It can handle legitimate criticism. It doesn’t need protectors to shield it from criticism because those protectors think “people on the left” are bullying some weak, vulnerable opponent.
I just don’t understand the people who are constantly whining that critics of the NYT are being too hard on the NYT.
The rage some people on the right have toward Democrats who criticize the NYT seems almost pathological to me. I hope they lighten up.
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Well, it should sting less given that you’re in the clear majority on this one. Every other regular commenter and also our host seems to agree with you, based on the comments and posts I’ve seen.
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FLERP,
I agree with you on many things but I don’t agree about the Times’ slant on Biden. Whether or not the Times approves, Biden will be the nominee. In my view, the Times coverage has not been balanced. It’s not pro-Trump but it has been relentless in its criticism of Biden. Some days there were 4 or 5 articles about people wanting Biden to resign. If one member of Congress called on him to resign, it was a big story. Then I saw they put Bernie Sanders’ pro-Biden piece in the Saturday paper, a day when readership is the lowest. Too much. I was feeling bullied. And I have not seen equivalent coverage of Trump’s gaffes and outrageous statements. Today there was an opinion piece by John McWhorter, a linguist whose views are quite conservative, analyzing Biden’s speech patterns and coming to very negative conclusions (predictably). I think there was a parenthetical phrase stating that Trump is no different. Will McWhorter do an analysis of Trump’s rhetoric, with its undertones and overtones of violence and hatred? I doubt it.
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I am relieved about that, because I think our democracy would be safer if more people recognized that the NYT is not the “pro-Democrat” newspaper that it often gets mischaracterized as. But I don’t believe truth is a popularity contest.
I don’t care whether what I am saying is popular. I just care that it’s true. I read the links you post because I want to make sure my opinions are well informed, and if they are not, or if new information comes to light – as in science – I would change them.
But whether or not a poll shows that people believe something doesn’t influence me, nor does whether one of my opinions is popular here or not. But I will change my mind if someone makes a convincing fact-based case.
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I can already see what the post-mortem will look like if Trump wins this fall. The problem was the New York Times, which “normalized” Trump and focused too much on Biden’s age. The lesson to be applied for the next election cycle will be that the New York Times must write more news articles highlighting the flaws of Republican candidates, and fewer highlighting the flaws of Democratic candidates. If only there were a way to force the New York Times to write what we want it to write!
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Yes. Everything hinges on what the New York Times says. If the NYT wrote that the end of time was occurring next Friday, think what trouble we would be in!!!
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Good thing that has never happened.
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Yes, the Times ran an editorial about Trump’s unfitness to lead.
They also wrote an editorial calling on Biden to step down.
And they have posted dozens of breathless articles about people who think Biden should resign.
None that I saw calling on Trump to resign.
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Voting in Trumplandia | Bob Shepherd | Praxis (wordpress.com)
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They don’t want a liar and they don’t fancy a carnival barker. But that is exactly what the GOPee is offering up.
The VIP Parking Sign ‘Used’ at Trump Shooting Rally has just sold for $385
A crumpled parking sign and other items used by an attendee of the deadly Donald Trump rally in which the former president “narrowly escaped assassination” sold at auction for close to $400 on Monday.
Memorabilia from the event that descended into bloodshed in Butler, Pennsylvania, on Saturday is already being auctioned online by attendees hoping that their items will become collectors’ pieces.
Auction lots connected to the rally include a newspaper front page about the incident, tickets and wristbands used by attendees, and aerial shots of the land where the shooting took place. Others are hoping to cash in by creating T-shirts, mugs and wall art featuring photos or drawings of the moment Trump raised his fist in defiance as he was hustled away by his security team.
Newsweek
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“GOPee”
Excellent word play! Gonna have to use that! Thanks!
The GOPee pees on the peeons!
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We now know why JD Vance was one of the first to push the narrative that the gunman at the Trump rally was all Biden’s fault.
I can’t think of a more perfect choice for Trump. Two peas in a pod to appeal to the voters who profess that having a liar as president is a bad thing.
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My Goodness I pray nyc parent’s child is at camp, ton of posts coming very unhinged too. High blood pressure too?
All Biden has ever ever done was lie . Even when he lied about his college grades and placement in his class . He stole and plagiarized speeches , he was a pilots he rides trucks, he’s a great golfer, he just lies 24/7.
trump’s lies are the truth . 2020 was a sham. All those hoaxes were lies and you believed them to be true. People think Trump staged the assaosnarion (or did the CIa and secret service )
120 million people want Trump and the dems have no party , no way to change this country , only to say Trump is Hitler and use scary rhetoric like he’s a threat to democracy etc
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Ms. Right,
Thank you so much for your kind comments. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers for my well-being and that of my child.
You are a testament to your own mental health provider. He or she must be exceptional, based on your many interesting posts. Your useful analysis telling us what is real and what isn’t speaks for itself.
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Ms. Right you are quite the troll, spreading lies and saying that they are “true.” Sorry, kiddo, lies are still lies and NOBODY lies like Trump.
Oh, and there’s this, which is clearly sedition, though some would dare call it treason:
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2021/01/07/front-pages-capture-chaos-riots-us-capitol/6577931002/
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When he tried, in numerous concurrent ways, to overthrow the results of our last election and thus to overthrow our duly elected government, that was sedition. When he unilaterally abandoned our allies, the Kurds, in North Syria; when he unilaterally withdrew from the INF and Open Skies treaties at the very time that his handler Vladimir was fielding hypersonic nuclear missiles, when the invited the Russians to hack the email of his political opponent–those were examples of treason. So, he is guilty of sedition and treason. It is astonishing, given that, that he is walking around free, much less being feted at the Repugnican National Convention: Triumph of the Will II: Never Surrender.
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OMG “democracy “ we are shaking in our boots . Another fake trial that will go nowhere. Ther unselect committee destroyed the evidence. You just want to believe the lies so badly you . We are a constitutional republic .
lies another election being stolen? All Biden does is lie lie lie where are you! Lost puppy.
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“But that’s out of sync with polling averages,”
Out of sync??? Averages of invalid methods are, by definition, invalid.
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