Inform yourself about the latest federal indictments of former President Donald J. Trump. Do not listen solely to what talking heads on the TV news say about the indictment.
When I read it, several points seemed especially noteworthy.
First, all of the incriminating evidence came from Republicans, most of whom were appointed by Trump to advise him as Justice Department officials and White House advisors.
Second, Trump was repeatedly told that he had lost the election. He was told this by a long list of high-level officials appointed by him.
Third, Trump was told repeatedly by state Republican leaders that his claims of voter fraud in specific states such as Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Michigan were wrong.
Fourth, no matter how many times Trump was told that there was no election fraud that would change the outcome, he continued to repeat the lies about dead voters, illegal voters, and biased voting machines in speeches and on Twitter. There was never any evidence of voter fraud, but Trump would not stop lying about it.
Fifth, Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman repeatedly told state officials about the scale of voter fraud in their states despite the lack of evidence for their claims.
Sixth, Trump and his co-conspirators devised a scheme to present alternate slates of electors in seven contested states. At first, they told the alternate electors that they would serve only if the courts determined that the results of the elections were illegal.
Seventh, since there were no successful court cases, the Trump strategy changed. He would pressure Mike Pence to recognize the alternate electors or to declare that he was returning the electoral votes to the states to investigate. Trump’s goal was to delay certification of Biden’s victory and to sow doubt about the legitimacy of the election.
Eighth, in the end, Trump’s conspiracy to block the peaceful transition of power was foiled because Pence would not go along with it. I read elsewhere that Pence consulted retired Federal Judge Mike Luttig, a conservative Republican. Luttig told Pence that his role on January 6 was purely ceremonial; he did not have the authority to change the outcome. Despite four years of obsequious loyalty to Trump, Pence stood up to Trump’s relentless pressure.
Lessons:
1. Our country avoided a major Constitutional crisis. If Pence had bowed to Trump, if Biden’s election had been canceled, the nation would have suffered grievously. The consequences would have been dire.
2. Trump knew that he lost the election. Almost all of his closest advisors told him so. But Trump is a sore loser. He refused to accept his loss. He simply ignored the facts and found a pod of true believers who conspired with him to overturn the election without regard to the vote, the Constitution or the good of democracy.
3. Trump and his co-conspirators are evil people who were ready to destroy our democracy rather than ceding power to the Biden administration.
4. I hope Trump is found guilty but I don’t believe he will ever serve a day in prison. He will be pardoned to avoid the spectacle of a former president in prison. However, in my view, the other conspirators are lawyers. They should lose their law licenses and serve time in prison.

Why not prison time? Why not treason when in private meeting in Oval Office names of CIA assets (who all turned up dead) were turned over to Russians? (Ditto no treason charges for Nixon who negotiated as a presidential candidate and private citizen with the. North Vietnamese while LBJ was the president.)
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South Vietnamese promising a better deal if they stonewalled the Peace talks
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And Reagan and his campaign, who negotiated with Iran regarding retaining the American hostages until after the election, in exchange for arms sales.
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I Sense a pattern. It is OK for certain people to violate the constitution, but others, not so much.
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If Trump does not go to prison, then the “justice” system in the United States is a joke. The whole idea of equality under the law, a bad joke.
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Blocking the so-called
peaceful transition of power,
seems to pretend that “Power”
rest on who sleeps in the
White’s House.
As if all the preceeding
privileges, (Power)
sanctioned by law,
needs to be rebooted
by a potus, to exist.
As if the powers that be,
would be hobbled by a
process they established…
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Happily, NoBrick, I have no idea what you mean.
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NoBrick
Your last stanza sounds wrong.
The powers that be did not establish the process. They’d have to be alive today. Those who established the process as spelled out in the U.S Constitution, are all dead, some long dead.
That process the country uses for its elections was established by the founders in the late 18th century when they wrote the Constitution and then added the first 10 Amendments to it soon afterwards.
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No one said anything about all power being transitioned. Obviously, this is about the power of the president, which is substantial, being transitioned or blocked. Yes, there are lots of other powers at work. The powers of the oligarchy, for example. But we know that, don’t we?
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Trump is lucky he was only trying to overthrow the Government and not doing a PlayStation giveaway or else he could’ve been in real trouble.
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I listened to the full reading twice. Once by Ali Velshi in podcast Prosecuting Donald Trump (MSNBC) and read by Allison Gill and Andrew McCabe in podcast Jack. Reading lengthy articles on line is difficult for me so thought I would share that.
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HAAAAAA. Hilarious, Jon!
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I think it is interesting that the indictment will try to establish deliberate behavior on the part of several people. This appears difficult to me, but I assume the prosecutor knows more about the law than I do.
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Unless there is an actual recording of Trump conspiring with and/or telling his lawyers to lie, it seems like it is going to be difficult to prove that Trump knew he had lost when his lawyers were running around saying just the opposite.
This has nothing to do with whether I think Trump knew he had lost. I think he did. But the bar for a jury is going to be a bit higher than a hunch (as it should be)
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SDP,
Trump was told by multiple people that he had lost, including Bill Barr, the head of cybersecurity, the White House Counsel, and many others. He preferred to believe crackpot lawyers like Guiliani.
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dianeravitch
I differ to Economist Dean Baker. “Stop telling us what Trump (or anyone ) believes. Unless you are a mind reader you do not know what he believes. If he tells you that he believes something you do not know if that he is being truthful. All you know is what his actions are. ”
Now seriously CitiBank has been charging me exorbitant fees and paying me no interest on my savings. If I rob them next week, it is good to know that the DOJ will not prosecute me. Because I believed I was only getting my own money back.
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SDP, they have a bunch of the Orange Idiot’s private tweets and, very possibly, the cooperation of Mark Meadows and Rudi Ghoulinani.
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I certainly hope Smith has solid proof that Trump knew (ie, believed) he had lost because otherwise I think it is going to be hard sell to a jury.
And Bill Barr telling him he lost is not really proof that Trump was convinced, at any rate because it is very possible for a person in denial to disregard anyone who tells them something different from what they want to hear.
It’s not about convincing ourselves in this case.
It’s about convincing a jury which is something entirely different.
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I love the edit button. / defer
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I will wait for the trials to make a final judgment on Trump’s guilt, but if my life depended on guessing correctly whether he is innocent or guilty I would say guilty – committing criminal acts is completely in character for Trump.
I’m curious, though, about what you believe regarding Joe Biden. I don’t recall you ever being in the least suspicious about the Biden family dealings. Why were shady foreign entities giving large sums of money to Hunter, Jim, and other Bidens, people with zero experience in those industries paying the money? Why has not a single Democrat in Congress called for a thorough investigation of these eyebrow-raising activities? Why have only conservative media given the Biden issues even minimal coverage? You might think that Diane Ravitch, Congressional Democrats, and political journalists are just blatant partisans. Please convince me otherwise.
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Gary Baker, stop spreading confirmation bias BS that’s based on allegations and not facts that would stand up in court as evidence — until after a trial is held, if one happens. All you are doing is supporting Traitor Trump’s BIG LIES.
“As other Republicans have done, Stefanik stated as fact that Hunter Biden is “laundering money” — a charge that has not been substantiated.” …
“When Stefanik referenced Hunter Biden ‘accepting bribes,’ she is referring to allegations contained in a recently unearthed, and unverified, report from an FBI informant who said that years ago, a Ukrainian oligarch bribed Hunter and Joe Biden.” …
“Stefanik added “shamefully avoiding child support” to a list of offenses by Hunter Biden that show “we have a two-tiered system of justice.” But the child support dispute has been handled by an Arkansas court.
“Hunter Biden fathered a child with Lunden Roberts, who filed a petition for child support on May 28, 2019, nine months after their daughter was born. Hunter Biden agreed to pay $20,000 a month in 2020, and to make payments retroactive to November 2018.” …
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/republican-claims-about-hunter-biden-offenses/
“Trump [the Emperor of Lies] claimed that Biden’s son Hunter Biden got a $3.5 million payment from the wife of the former mayor of Moscow. “Why is it, just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow’s wife gave your son $3.5 million?” Trump said.” …
“Neither the Senate report nor Trump have provided any evidence that the payment was corrupt or that Hunter Biden committed any wrongdoing.”
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e879bcfe-4b2a-4b4a-a823-8c6d512c4e5e
“What’s still unproven? Claims that the Oversight Committee implicated President Biden in a bribery or corruption scandal overstate what is supported by evidence.”
https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/may/16/house-republicans-findings-about-the-biden-familys/
“Fact check: Claims that Hunter Biden received $3.5M from Russia are unproven, lack context”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/01/fact-check-unproven-claims-hunter-biden-got-3-5-m-russia/3586861001
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No one is giving Biden a pass. Despite multiple investigations, no one has any evidence of wrong-doing by Joe Biden.
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It is coming. Stay tuned. His treasonous crimes far exceed Trumps. He is unfit to be president and is using his position to enrich his family, not Americans. He will be impeached but the Senate will not go for it…too many are part of the sewer. Smith and the DOJ/FBI are so bad. He should be defunded, and Wray fired and the AG impeached.
What a sorry state of affairs we are now in–un punished law breakers, AGs who ignore crime (unless they can blame a Republican) police quitting in mass, designer drugs, young suicides, inflation, war, massive homelessness, wide open borders and no plans to handle the problems, Chinese spying, recreating home appliances, a weakened Woke military, parents labeled as domestic terrorists, spying on prolife and Catholic church members, politicized and sexualized education and even porn over basic ed. and terrible math and reading sores. I think Democrats hate America–why “fundamentally change” something you love? Welcome to the Biden/Obama America!
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It doesn’t matter what people believe about Trump or about Biden. What matters are the outcomes of the legal system with all its many working parts doing its job. Justice is blind.
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“Why were shady foreign entities giving large sums of money to Hunter, Jim, and other Bidens, people with zero experience in those industries paying the money”
For the same reason that Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan were on Corporate Boards whose business operations they knew nothing about . They sell an illusion of expertise as Hunter Biden sold an illusion of respectability to a once troubled Ukrainian oil co. With the son of the FORMER VP on the board it gave an air of respectability to Burisma. And to my knowledge Burisma may have cleaned up it’s act by that time.
As for selling the air of influence; that is as American as apple pie from the halls of lobbyists and lawyers, to the workplace . As I said on a Trade Union FB Page . The member sons of members( in a once father and son Union) complaining about Hunter Biden is awful rich.
Now talking of rich.Talking about Hunter Biden when : Jar Red the the know nothing Presidential assistant on everything had received a 600 million dollar bailout of 666 Fifth Ave from Qatar . Had met with the Russian Ambassador and then Russian Bankers on the way into the WH. . Has received a 2 Billion Dollar Saudi investment fund objected to by Saudi Royal Family Investment counselors. That goes beyond rich . Out of respect for Diane I will stop here .
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Mr. Baker, if you had actually read the Archer memo, you would see that it clears Joe.
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Gary
If there was partisanship by mainstream media that had the intent of aiding Democrats, the public would be informed about the Charles Koch network e.g. ALEC, SPN, collaborations with the state Catholic Conferences, each state’s right wing policy think tanks, etc. which operate throughout the US.
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I agree that he won’t serve a day in prison, if for no other reason than the complication of his security. I would also worry about the information he has that might be of financial interest to the people he would be serving with. (I’m not convinced that those missing top secret documents haven’t been sold to other countries.) I agreed that it was probably the best thing to pardon Nixon, but I feel what Trump has done is so much more egregious and dangerous to the U.S. that pardoning him would be a mistake of the highest order. House arrest at Mar-a-lago would send the message that what he did was inexcusable, but would make it so much easier for the Secret Service.
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I’m not convinced that those missing top secret documents haven’t been sold to other countries.
Several billion dollar deals with the Saudis don’t come cheap.
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Exactly, Bob. How would anyone know if Trump or whoever else may have accessed those documents, didn’t take photographs or make copies of sensitive, classified documents. I guess we’ll never know & just have to trust that Traitor Trump would never do such a dastardly deed.
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It’s probably safe to assume that he had copies made of all the documents.
I suspect that Trump didn’t even know the missing ones were missing since it would have made no sense for him to pass the actual docs when he could just provide a copy of photo.
Someone probably took the missing docs when Trump had them on display for toilet reading.
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pardoning him would be a mistake of the highest order
Nothing short of prison is OK for this seditious and traitorous criminal bastard.
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But you are forgetting that he’s a member of The Club.
Look at Dumbya who was persona non grata among Democrats while he was in office but is now bro to Clinton and Obama.
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Who knows how much this Russian asset who sat in the Oval Office has compromised our national security. What foreign intelligence service was so incompetent that it DIDN’T get access to the classified documents stored in Mar-a-lago bathrooms and ballrooms? How much did he pass on to his buddies in Russia and in Saudi Arabia? in North Korea? His pals?
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MAGA: Moscow’s Asset Governing America
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Bob, your statement sure is TRUE, “MAGA: Moscow’s Asset Governing America.”
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Just this week – two perfect indicators of who this detestable man is and even worse, those who still defend him or are silent went asked (and maybe the scariest are those who vote for any of the above). His indictment defense that will backfire and his obsessiveness with Megan Rapinoe.
The indictment is as incriminating as it gets. And Bill Barr filled in the loop holes in a recent interview. Apparently the former president is encouraged to go with the “I was acting on advice of counsel” defense. (Is that like “I was following orders” in military raids on villages)?
However, to PROVE that, attorney-client privilege is out the door because the his attorneys would have to testify to what s/he advised! AND, the exPresident would have to testify that’s what he heard! Once on the stand…
To the “he has to win” and he has to claim power – that includes power over his supporters, minorities, and women.
To the latter, he went ballistic on twitter about Megan Rapinoe after the soccer team lost.
He apparently cannot stand it that she stood up to him, refused to go to the WH with the team in 2019(?), and speaks out. 4 years later and he is still obsessed with her shutting him down (when we know his version of women is “… and they let you.”)
His Darth Vader routine witnessed at the 2016 debate hovering over Secretary Clinton and the access hollywood interview were the foreshadowing in chapter one of his “career” (whatever that is).
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Trump is a rapist. He is a rapacious creep.
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LOL THIS BLOG is hysterical. There is 10-15 minutes of tape of all the dems saying trump lost, trump is a russian spy, trump is illegitimate and thats ok. Just like maddown, gates, fauci, cdc, who all saying vaccine is safe and effective, once you get vaccine you cant transmit it ends with you lol , lies!!!
There is mounting evidence of Biden traitor family crimes 20- 50 million taking money from other countries, and all Diane can do is go after TRump. Roles reversed there would be million stories of Biden , hiding them under the rug like cocaine story and so many others.
Trump now has Jack Smith by the balls they are so screwed that he can subpoena, you guys are so funny, you think trump is n trouble lol!!!!!
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Trump in trouble?!! Haha. Who cares about multiple felony charges in multiple districts?! Great to go down in history as the first ex-president to be indicted!! What an honor.
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Josh, I agree with you that Bill Gates is a dishonest shmuck. I also agree that the blog is at times hilarious — because of some of the comments. Thank you for contributing to that BIGLY. Too funny.
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78 felony charges and counting
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Josh worships the rapist.
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Josh, please take your meds at least a full hour before you comment.
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I agree with your analysis and prediction, Diane. I also agree with what Jon Stewart said a couple months ago that law is purposefully slow and not in any way exciting or explosive, so we have a long wait ahead of us for the boring due process of law and justice to be served.
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A federal pardon would not clear his state crimes.
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Pardoning this SOB would be unpardonable.
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I beg your pardon.
I never promised you the Rose Garden
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If Trump does not go to prison, this will have one meaning and one meaning only:
We do not have a system of equal justice under law. That’s a lie. A bad joke.
This creep needs to die in prison. He is breathtakingly evil. A lot of Americans died because he decided that it would help him politically to downplay Covid. All those deaths on his tiny hands, caused by his tiny, diseased brain.
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Good to remember COVID, Bob.
How quickly in some ways the country has moved on.
All those deaths.
I also know people who are getting very ill probably well before they would’ve become so sick, for example, with respiratory disorders, triggered I guess by COVID.
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At the time when I contracted Covid, I was seriously considering hiking the Pacific Coast Trail. After it, I could barely walk for months. It was a long recovery. And I came down with diabetes. It turns out that diabetes is associated with Long Covid. A lot of recovered Covid patients have developed it.
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This is how cold-blooded the main is. He knew. He knew from Day 1 how dangerous this was, but he had decided that he was going to run on his great economy, and he didn’t want to take precautionary measures that would affect that economy, so he downplayed it, pretended that it was just going to go away, encouraged people not to social distance, not to mask themselves. And hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people did as a result. This is malfeasance of the highest order. He is responsible for, he caused, the unnecessary death of hundreds of thousands of Americans. But it doesn’t stop there. Others, like Bolsonaro in Brazil, followed his lead. Millions more dead. All because of him.
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The millions of people who lost loved ones haven’t forgotten. Some of the most moving moments of the pandemic were those involving people who had been Trumpanzee Covid denialists begging people to take it seriously from the beds where they lay dying because they had listened to Trump and Fox News.
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It didn’t matter to Donald Trump that a lot more Americans would die if he downplayed this. He is a murderous psychopath. What happens to others does not matter to him at all. All those dead people. All those grieving families.
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It’s breathtaking that a man with all that blood on his hands is running again and is the Republican frontrunner!!! It’s so obscene. We live in a nation full of idiots.
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Very sorry to hear that.
Thank God you’re still here with us.
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And, “obscene” is exactly the correct word.
Meanwhile…how bizarre is it that places like Florida are so obsessed with protecting children from alleged “obscenity” when the the real danger is right in front of our faces.
The latest…. “Hillsborough schools cut back on Shakespeare, citing new Florida rules”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/08/07/hillsborough-schools-cut-back-shakespeare-citing-new-florida-rules/
From the “Tampa Bay Times” coverage this week:
“English teachers in Hillsborough County are preparing lessons for the new school year with only excerpts from William Shakespeare’s works.
Students will be assigned pages from the classics, which might include “Macbeth,” “Hamlet” and the time-honored teen favorite, “Romeo and Juliet.” But if they want to read them in their entirety, they will likely have to do it on their own time.
School district officials said they redesigned their instructional guides for teachers because of revised state teaching standards and a new set of state exams that cover a vast array of books and writing styles.
‘It was also in consideration of the law,’ said school district spokeswoman Tanya Arja, referring to the newly expanded Parental Rights in Education Act. The measure, promoted and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, tells schools to steer clear of content and class discussion that is sexual in nature unless it is related to a standard, such as health class.
‘There’s some raunchiness in Shakespeare,” said Joseph Cool, a reading teacher at Gaither High School. “Because that’s what sold tickets during his time.'”
The district now seems to be trying to back peddle away from this ludicrous decision. But how much other censorship is going on and not making front page news?
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The “raunchy” parts of Shakespeare are tame compared to what kids see today on TV and the internet
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Of course, as of this moment there is still a sizeable percentage of our fellow citizens who would vote for Donald Trump tomorrow -in a heartbeat.
At what point does that support, that percentage of Trump voters, become less sickening?
10%? 5% 1%?
i don’t know.
And, what damage has he done to our nation that will remain long past my last breaths?
In some ways, this whole disaster has been utterly predictable. (History repeating.)
It still floors me, though.
Decent people I know supporting someone who is essentially an American political monster, empowered in a uniquely 21st century way.
A schmuck who has upended us.
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The Republican agenda would have to change for the party to lose support-
White over Black, men over women, conservative Catholics and Christians over all others and straight over gay.
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There’s little question that Trump is guilty of a whole host of crimes, including sedition. Jack Smith tried to avoid some of the legal pitfalls by more narrowly tailoring the indictment(s).
As one Law professor put it, “The strength of the indictment is that it is very narrowly written. The government is not attempting to prove too much, but rather it went for low-hanging fruit.”
Clearly, Trump KNEW he was lying when he continually said the election was being “stolen.” As the NY Times put it,
“Trump had firsthand knowledge that his statements were false. Prosecutors can use those instances to urge jurors to infer that Mr. Trump knew he was lying about everything else, too…The indictment, for example, recounts a taped call on Jan. 2 with Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, in which Trump shared a series of conspiracy theories that Mr. Raffensperger systematically debunked in detail. But on Twitter the next day, Mr. Trump ‘falsely claimed that the Georgia secretary of state had not addressed’ the allegations.’ ”
Personally, I think Trump’s actions before and during and after January 6 are evidence of sedition and treason. I’ve seen other commenters at The Post and The Times and elsewhere say that he deserves a firing squad. I’m not sure I disagree.
No matter what, Trump should not be able to campaign and run for the presidency. The Republican Party should clean up their own mess and disown him, but surely that will not because Trump has become emblematic of precisely who Republicans are.
The U.S. Constitution makes it perfectly clear in the 14th Amendment, Section 3, that Trump — because of what he did before, during and after January 6 — is ineligible to run for office:
“No person…under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
Republicans claim to believe in “originalism.” Well, here’s their biggest test. They will, of course, fail it big time.
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