Peter Greene reports here on a conference call that Catholic leaders held with the execrable Trump.
He promised them unparalleled financial support for Catholic schools, and they promised their support to the man who separates families and puts children in cages.
It was a nasty, revolting transaction.
Greene links to the National Catholic Education Reporter, which says that the transaction was really about abortion, and Catholic schools (which have been destroyed by charter schools claiming to offer the same things as Catholic schools but for free). It’s editorial says:
This unholy alliance with Trump, coupled with the GOP stacking of the Supreme Court, may get the bishops the abortion ban they so covet, but it will not end the debate. They may even get the federal money they desperately need to extend the fading life of Catholic schools. But all of it will have been purchased at the expense of a whole range of other life and justice issues.
It will have been purchased in concert with a president whose primary modus operandi is that of a bully devoid of empathy or concern for the common good. If one actually believes Trump’s current gushing about Catholic schools and the right to life, Dolan might also be offered a great deal on a bridge somewhere in the vicinity of the cathedral.
It need not be this way. The bishops themselves, in the conclusion to “Faithful Citizenship,” describe a different approach. It is worth repeating the points here:
“The Church is involved in the political process but is not partisan. The Church cannot champion any candidate or party.”
“The Church is engaged in the political process but should not be used. We welcome dialogue with political leaders and candidates; we seek to engage and persuade public officials. Events and photo ops cannot substitute for serious dialogue.”
“The Church is principled but not ideological.”
The Catholic bishops’ uncritical alliance with Republicans and Trump obliterates those principles and allows Catholics to dismiss the document as lacking any serious intent.
The alliance also further distances the church from any leverage it might otherwise possess on a host of issues on the Catholic social justice agenda deeply affecting life of the vulnerable and marginalized, as well as from any hope of brokering modifications to abortion on demand with Democrats.
The Catholic voice, capable of a priceless contribution to the public conversation, has been sold for cheap to political hucksters.
In an editorial in late January, the National Catholic Education Reporter lacerated the leadership of the Roman Catholic churchfor its alliance with Trump, who has no religion and no convictions.
Its editorial said then:
The selling of the church’s moral authority is complete. When someone so morally bankrupt and demonstrably anti-life as Trump, a misogynist who brags about assaulting women and whose primary interaction with others is to demean and degrade, can command the obeisance of the nation’s Catholic leaders, the moral tank has been emptied. A few Franciscan friars on the periphery provided the rare witness that being pro-life for Catholics requires far more than opposing abortion.
The display on the mall drains the phrase “pro-life” of meaning and sells the church even deeper into service of an ideology that severely diminishes Catholicism as a credible moral force in the larger culture.
The church’s credibility was sold to the highest political bidder and the chief auctioneer banged the gavel down on the final deal.
Trump is interested only in transactions. He hasn’t a gnat’s understanding of transformation, of persuasion that doesn’t involve his idea of a deal. His words on the mall and the cynical use of the Vatican in Vice President Mike Pence’s call-in from Rome sealed this wretched transaction.
The Catholic Church in the United States has been used and manipulated by the era’s most unconscionable con artist. He wanted your faces, your shouts of support, what will undoubtedly become in his universe “the biggest assembly of Catholics ever for any president in history!”
He’s got the images he needs. It won’t be the last time you’ll see them. Welcome to his campaign.
Wow. Good on Peter and the NCER. In my experience as a secular type who went to a bigoted Catholic high school and a Jesuit university—which was, in hindsight, an exceptionally good education—it’s not that Catholics have changed. They mostly just dropped the pretense of ethics and morality in the public sphere.
I think the Catholic church is split with one side being more progressive than the other. We are not Catholic but send child #2 to a Catholic Faith based HS . There IS a huge difference between the faith based schools and the archdiocese schools. I wouldn’t even consider sending my child to an archdiocese school.
Diane As a Catholic, I am embarrassed, . . . even mortified about this. Like Trump’s base, and so many of the evangelicals (like Graham), they seem to be in some sort of Trump Trance. But it’s really about power. And it’s not the first time in history the Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of history. Keep it on the front burners . . .many like me share and welcome the very public criticism. CBK
You can be embarrassed by some of the power structure. Don’t discount the voice of the more liberal Catholics. The Catholic Church, perhaps contrary to popular belief, is not a monolithic structure of the one true voice as should be obvious to anyone who looks. I am a Protestant and can point to a wealth of embarrassing actions by different denominations who claim to speak for Jesus. It disgusts me that such high officials in the Catholic hierarchy are embracing Trump, but for a believer it is really quite obvious why Trump would not be Jesus’ choice to lead the faithful. Shame on them.
I think of the Cathars of Southern France, who had the audacity to teach vegetarianism, nonviolence, and sexual freedom, and how the Inquisition murdered them. “Kill them all and let God sort them out.”
I think of the Church dividing up the world and sending out legions empowered to claim others’ lands as their own in the name of spreading the faith and of the consequent genocidal slaughter of innocents throughout the globe under the banner of the Prince of Peace.
The Church has much to answer for.
And now this.
Revolting. But, ofc, this is the same Church that took 370 years to admit that Galileo was right.
https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/poetry/history-lesson-or-on-the-hinterweltlern/
https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/ideas-matter-exhibit-1-the-horrific-legacy-of-christian-neo-platonism/
And so the Church, its worth and girth to increase,
made bloody war in the name of the Prince of Peace
and murdered its way through continents and millennia,
not bothered the least by its clear, its rank schizophrenia.
Bob . . . .cringe . . . .
Hypocrisy to the max.
I am of the Catholic faith. What is the Catholic leadership of this country is pure BS. The same thing happen with Hitler and Mussolini in the 1920s & 30s. The Catholic Church capitulated, got down on its collective knees to this two tyrants, and basically added in the murder of millions of people. This makes the Catholic leadership no better than Trump with him immoral, unethical, etc., etc. ways..
The Catholic church is jumping on the privatization gravy train in order to offset the cost of a Catholic education. It has been reported that the church is hurting after paying out between $4 and $6 billion dollars to sexual assault survivors.https://www.newsweek.com/over-3-billion-paid-lawsuits-catholic-church-over-sex-abuse-claims-1090753
Thank you Peter Greene. Sounds like Don the Con has captured the hearts and minds of some big-time leaders of the Catholic Church, as well as evangelical Christians. The biggies are the capture of the courts and the many paths for public funding of strictly “Christian” programs with doctrines antithetical to the principle that all lives are of equal value.
Here is (1) the other article and (2) the letter signed by a thousand Catholics protesting the association with Trump:
https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/catholic-social-justice-leaders-protest-cardinal-dolans-supportive-words-trump
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X3yUxKSoaFe552xGBnedK7aiF25QsvgL/view
CBK, Wincing, Disgusted Catholic
Thanks, CBK. I am a big fan of the current Pope. He needs to take action on the evil alliance described above. Have you seen The Two Popes yet? On Netflix. I highly recommend it.
LOVED The Two Popes.
“LOVED the Two Popes.”
Me, too.
Bob I haven’t yet seen the movie, but will. Thanks for the reminder. CBK
The editorials in the National Catholic Reporter give me hope that the thinking of the leadership is not necessarily representative of the RC Church.
My own experience is that the Church is much more diverse. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X3yUxKSoaFe552xGBnedK7aiF25QsvgL/view
Years of covering for pedophile priests, recycling them to new parishes to continue their predations. Now this. Disgusting. Morally bankrupt.
Calista Gingrich, third wife of the Newt, is our ambassador to the Vatican. Calista and Newt were involved in an affair while Newt pursued the impeachment of Bill Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewisnki.
Newt sought and received an annulment from the Catholic church of his 19 year marriage to his second wife, on the grounds that she had been married previously.
Rudy Giuliani also sought and received an annulment of his marriage of 14 years to his first wife on the grounds that they were second cousins.
Thanks for educating me.
We really benefit by being responsible for our own devotional life while keeping an eye on the laggards in power.
Carolmalaysia,: in response to SarcasticBimbo I want the facts, not opinions which is what we get on the networks.”
Every intuition gets tarnished along the way by some ill informed or by some selfish individuals who have become corrupted by self-gratification, undisciplined individuals or false information. It is the human condition to make a bad judgment on occasion. Peter Greene and “moesone2015 ignore the GIVEN as a premise to bash the Church.
Peter Greene throws out so many misconceptions which appears to be rooted in predjucdice. Add to that moeone 2015
“Cardinal Dolan takes a dig at Trump, says MLK would remind us no country is a ‘hole’“Timothy Cardinal Dolan used Monday’s Martin Luther King Jr. holiday to denounce President Trump’s reported comments about immigrants from “shithole countries.”
“Rev. King, my fellow pastor, we miss you more than ever,” New York’s Archbishop tweeted. “You so powerfully upheld the dignity of every human person, made in God’s image and likeness. You would remind us today that no country is a `hole,’ no person unworthy of respect.”
Cardinal Dolan defends comments about Trump, argues he has critics on both sides.
In life people often have to chose the lesser between two evils. People who are looking to criticize an ideology because of their prejudice will find dung in some crevasse or crack if they are determined to find it.
The Pope speaks infallibly only when he speaks of Dogma. Individuals are free to express and believe as their informed conscience dictates without being punished or ostracized. Of course if one blasphemes he/she is in trouble with God not the Pope.
You who make rash statements /judgments about the popes and the Church leadership, please study history more closely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
Pope Pius the 12rh Pious imply diplomacy
“The start of the pontificate of Pius XII occurred at the time of the Second World War and the Nazi Holocaust, which over the course of the war would see the murder of millions of Jews and others by Adolf Hitler’s Germany.[1] Pius employed diplomacy to aid the victims of the Nazis during the war and, through directing his Church to provide discreet aid to Jews and others, saved hundreds of thousands of lives.[2] Pius maintained links to the German Resistance, and shared intelligence with the Allies. His strongest public condemnation of genocide was, however, considered inadequate by the Allied Powers, while the Nazis viewed him as an Allied sympathizer who had dishonoured his policy of Vatican neutrality.[3]”
860,000 Lives Saved – The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/860-000-lives-saved...
The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives – more than all the international agencies put together.
As Carolmalaysia stated, “I want the facts, not opinions which is what we get on the networks.
Picking cherries seems to be in season. The Wikipedia article cited is Exhibit A on why actual history articles on it need to be taken with a few pounds of salt. It’s great for getting info on films and actors. But this one even begins with the disclaimer “The neutrality of this article is disputed.” Indeed, it is revisionist public relations, not history. But when one reads with rose colored glasses and a preconceived agenda, it can sooth someone’s soul. Some of the sentences are comedy gold: “The Holocaust was made possible by the German conquest of Europe. Pius XII attempted to stop this conquest.” Ergo, he was innocent, innocent, I tell ya. Or take this one: “Historian Susan Zuccotti argued that ‘Pius XII, the head of the Roman Catholic Church during the Second World War, did not speak out publicly against the destruction of the Jews. This fact is rarely contested, nor can it be. Evidence of a public protest, if it existed, would be easy to produce. It does not exist.'” Try writing that in an undergrad history paper and see how far it gets you.
His silence about Jews is only part of the story. His silence about priests and Catholics who were murdered proves he didn’t even look out for his own. It is estimated that at least 18% of the clergy in Poland was murdered. I wrote this about my birthplace of Unterfranken in Germany: “The civil courage and consistent resistance of the clergy, led by Bishop Matthias Ehrenfried, is a refreshing and tragic counterpoint to the lack of leadership exhibited by Pope Pius. During the Third Reich, of the 600 priests in the Würzburg Diocese, more than 200 were charged with crimes and 140 served time in jails and concentration camps. One who was sent to Dachau, Georg Häfner, was arrested for refusing a Catholic burial to a Nazi official, even after he administered last rights, because the official had divorced and remarried. Häfner was tortured, starved and died on August 20, 1942.” If Pius was silent about the murder of thousands of his priests and other theologians, does anyone really think he cared about Jews and others?
Pius XII’s papacy ended in 1958. That means he was in charge when his priests were instrumental in smuggling war criminals from Germany, Austria, Croatia, and other country’s to South America. They provided false documentation, paid for travel and shelter, and provided money for the fugitives to support themselves. He was the Vatican’s ambassador to Germany from 1917-1929. He knew what the threats were.
Here are some links to consider:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-documents-from-vatican-archives-show-pius-xii-ignored-reports-on-the-holocaust-1.8810353
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/pius-xii-attitude-towards-jews-will-remain-controversial-experts-say-618632
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-03/romes-rabbi-accuses-vatican-of-mishandling-opening-of-archives-on-pope-pius-xii
And as for the Cardinal Dolan remarks, saying something negative about the Idiot does not absolve him or the Church from actively supporting his administration’s policies on women’s health, vouchers, and policies that punish poor people.
Your Jewish virtual library reference was NOT FOUND when I clicked on your link.
That’s because it’s in the fantasy section.
🙂
Cardinal Dolan takes a dig at Trump, says MLK would remind us no country is a ‘hole’“
The above is a link but did not appear as a link in my comment,
Dear Diane…..I am a fan of your blog even thou most of the time what you report is so upsetting to me. The report today sent me into a rage. I am so angry the Catholic Church has sold out to a lier, a cheat, the most immoral person.
I was so mad, I sent a copy of your report with my point of view on this shameful action to the Catholic Diocese where I live. I should have asked you if I could use your report first. I do hope that it will not be a problem.
Glenda Chesbrough gwches@verizon.net
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Glenda,
Anything posted here is in the public domain.
Morally vacant and repulsive. Two of my closest friends, devout Catholics, left the church because an apparent preponderance of its clergy viewed children as sexual objects and acted upon this view.
What’s next, Catholic Church? I take no pleasure in the disgrace you’ve brought upon yourself. What are you going to do about this?
Prejudice has deep roots and goes back to year one AD and continues today.
The Catholic Church is not only encouraging people to keep the Commandments – the
basic two: Love God and your neighbor as yourself but is ever out to feed the poor with spiritual food and bodily food.
Though out the world the Church aims to bring comfort to the under trodden -letting them know that they are loved by God and their fellow man. Countless religious orders of priests, nuns, and lay people are out among the suffering to bring food for their soul and body. Africa, Asia, India, Korea, Vietnam – name the country suffering under some kind of tyranny, you will find dedicated people. People showing them how to feed themselves, digging wells, and building secure homes. The Maryknoll nuns established a hospital and nursing school for the people in S. Korea after the war.
My own brother is working among the poor in Venezuela to feed starving families and bring God’s message of Love and Hope. I visited Venezuela before Madura took office. The first night there, there was a gun battle between two rival gangs outside my window. The fear of bullets piercing the wall all but made my heart stop. The country reeked with poverty then. Now the health system has broken down; millions have left their country for jobs, food, and security. Yet the Church with its meager resources are there slaving away to bring comfort.
My brother helps support the nuns who daily cook a huge cauldron of stew for the people who travel hours over the mountains and and through the country side with their canister in hand to take back home to feed their families. In sweltering heat, periodic lost of power, contaminated water, a lack of gas, living in a little cell like room where thieves break in to steal what they can, my brother remains committed to helping the poor. Thieves even cut through the metal roof of the church to plunder what is not bolted down. Govt. mismanagement and corruption has caused a gas shortage. Russia and China are at VZ’s door for their oil.
John Dewey, even though he did not recognized organized religion, he respected it.
Dewey observed, “I have not been able to attach much importance to religion as a philosophic problem.” But in A Common Faith he attached a great deal of importance to it as a human need for otherness that resembles the needs satisfied by art and philosophy but goes beyond both to touch the human community and the experiences of friendship, brotherhood, and even the emotion so important to Dewey: love.”
Stop feeding your prejudices and open your minds to the Goodness around you.
To Mary D. So in your note, you are speaking for the Church . . . .
. . .all of what you say answers WHY so many of us are so offended, even disgusted . . . by those who, by their authoritative positions and by their acts, claim to speak for Christianity and the Catholic Church as a part of it. CBK
The sanctions of the Trump administration have driven Venezuela’s lack of medical supplies and food. We want their oil.
Maduro is inept and corrupt, but no one voted for Juan Guiadó. He was unable to muster even the support to lead a US sponsored coup.
Venezuelans have a right to self-determination, the same as we do.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/john-bolton-admits-us-backed-coup-venezuela-oil-not-democracy/5667083
Christine, Madura did not win the election. The election was rigid. Juan Guiado rightfully won the election. Madura is ruthless. 60 countries do not recognize Madura as president.
Just like Panama’s leader Manuel Noriega was found guilty this year of drug trafficking, money laundering and racketeering and sentenced to 40 years in prison. So too, Maduro and Current and Former Venezuelan Officials were indicted for partnering with the FARC to use cocaine as a Weapon to “Flood” the US. On March 26 of this year he was found guilty .
Madura is ruthless. He doesn’t care about the suffering people in VZ – no jobs, lack of food, poor health care, inflation up a million % – their money is worthless…
Maduro won with 67% of the vote. His opposition boycotted the election, lowering turnout far below the previous election.
Juan Guiadó was not his opponent, nor has he stood for election against Maduro since then.
Here’s a look at how the US has used drug trafficking in Latin America to achieve our ends. It’s a long, discomforting read, but here’s a few words to give you a bit of the flavor:
“The consequences of drug war capitalism and forever war for the masses—systematic human rights violations and impunity, plunder, deepened socio-economic inequality—were presented as ‘progress,’ ‘development,’ and ‘investment’ for Colombia.
“And all the while, cocaine production began to steadily rise. Today, the acreage devoted to coca production in Colombia is higher than in pre-Plan Colombia years. But the United States, in the words of General John Kelly, has a ‘special’ relationship with the Colombia that Uribismo created. Joe Biden continues to laud his work as ‘one of the architects’ of Plan Colombia. And it continues to serve as a prototype for Mexico and Central America.
“Decades ago, Franklin Delano Roosevelt allegedly expressed this type of special relationship in a more crass, direct way about Anastasio Samoza: ‘He may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.’ ”
https://nacla.org/news/2020/04/30/narco-state-allies
I get the rage over Catholic bishops bowing (in a sense) to Trump, and I’ve found myself hand-wringing more than once over Trump. But what’s the alternative? Are pro-life Catholics supposed to align themselves with Democrats who, in their platform, heartily approve of abortion? Who claim it as a human right? Or who just a couple months ago in my state (California) tried to pass a law that would have forced priests to break their seal of confession – a holy sacrament? Or who sue sisters because they refuse to go against their church’s teaching?
I also sympathize with the Bishops who see in this an opportunity for the US not to help themselves, but to help the children and families who fill their schools. The Catholic school is an arm of the New Evangelization.
Trump is only one man who will eventually go, but the ideas espoused by Democrats will persist for generations.
I am a proud Catholic. I really don’t know what else to say. Are you Catholic?? You know Biden and Pelosi are. Did they set up him if this is true? sad