A group of scholars collaborated to write a paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research that studies how teachers affect student height. It is a wonderful and humorous takedown of the Raj Chetty et al thesis that the effects of a single teacher in the early grades may determine a student’s future lifetime earnings, her likelihood graduating from college, live in higher SES neighborhoods, as well as avoid teen pregnancy.
When the Chetty study was announced in 2011, a front-page article in the New York Times said:
WASHINGTON — Elementary- and middle-school teachers who help raise their students’ standardized-test scores seem to have a wide-ranging, lasting positive effect on those students’ lives beyond academics, including lower teenage-pregnancy rates and greater college matriculation and adult earnings, according to a new study that tracked 2.5 million students over 20 years.
The paper, by Raj Chetty and John N. Friedman of Harvard and Jonah E. Rockoff of Columbia, all economists, examines a larger number of students over a longer period of time with more in-depth data than many earlier studies, allowing for a deeper look at how much the quality of individual teachers matters over the long term.
“That test scores help you get more education, and that more education has an earnings effect — that makes sense to a lot of people,” said Robert H. Meyer, director of the Value-Added Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, which studies teacher measurement but was not involved in this study. “This study skips the stages, and shows differences in teachers mean differences in earnings.”
The study, which the economics professors have presented to colleagues in more than a dozen seminars over the past year and plan to submit to a journal, is the largest look yet at the controversial “value-added ratings,” which measure the impact individual teachers have on student test scores. It is likely to influence the roiling national debates about the importance of quality teachers and how best to measure that quality.
Many school districts, including those in Washington and Houston, have begun to use value-added metrics to influence decisions on hiring, pay and even firing….
Replacing a poor teacher with an average one would raise a single classroom’s lifetime earnings by about $266,000, the economists estimate. Multiply that by a career’s worth of classrooms.
“If you leave a low value-added teacher in your school for 10 years, rather than replacing him with an average teacher, you are hypothetically talking about $2.5 million in lost income,” said Professor Friedman, one of the coauthors…
The authors argue that school districts should use value-added measures in evaluations, and to remove the lowest performers, despite the disruption and uncertainty involved.
“The message is to fire people sooner rather than later,” Professor Friedman said.
Professor Chetty acknowledged, “Of course there are going to be mistakes — teachers who get fired who do not deserve to get fired.” But he said that using value-added scores would lead to fewer mistakes, not more.
President Obama hailed the Chetty study in his 2012 State of the Union address.
Value-added teacher evaluation, that is, basing the evaluation of teachers on the rise or fall of their students’ test scores, was a central feature of Arne Duncan’s Race to the Top when it was unveiled in 2010. States had to agree to adopt it if they wanted to be eligible for Race to the Top funding.
When the Los Angeles Times published a value-added ranking of thousands of teachers, teachers said the rankings were filled with error, but Duncan said those who complained were afraid to learn the truth. In Florida, teacher evaluations may be based on the rise or fall of the scores of students that the teachers had never taught, in subjects they had never taught. (About 70% of teachers do not teach subjects that are tested annually to provide fodder for these ratings.) When this nutty process was challenged inn court by Florida teachers, the judge ruled that the practice might be unfair but it was not unconstitutional.
The fundamental claim of VAM (value-added modeling or measurement) has been repeatedly challenged, most notably by economist Moshe Adler. When put into law, as it was in most states, it was found to be useless, because only tiny percentages of teachers were identified as ineffective, and even the validity of the ratings of that 1-3% was dubious. The use of VAM was frozen by a judge in New Mexico, then tossed out earlier this year by a new Democratic governor. It was banned by a judge in Houston. A large experiment funded by the Gates Foundation intended to demonstrate the value of VAM produced negative results.
Now comes economic research to test the validity of linking teacher evaluation and student height.
Marianne Bitler, Sean Corcoran, Thurston Domina, and Emily Penner wrote:
NBER Working Paper No. 26480
Issued in November 2019
NBER Program(s):Program on Children, Economics of Education Program
Estimates of teacher “value-added” suggest teachers vary substantially in their ability to promote student learning. Prompted by this finding, many states and school districts have adopted value-added measures as indicators of teacher job performance. In this paper, we conduct a new test of the validity of value-added models. Using administrative student data from New York City, we apply commonly estimated value-added models to an outcome teachers cannot plausibly affect: student height. We find the standard deviation of teacher effects on height is nearly as large as that for math and reading achievement, raising obvious questions about validity. Subsequent analysis finds these “effects” are largely spurious variation (noise), rather than bias resulting from sorting on unobserved factors related to achievement. Given the difficulty of differentiating signal from noise in real-world teacher effect estimates, this paper serves as a cautionary tale for their use in practice.
Nothing, such as the core scientific notion of falsification (asking and seeking evidence for what would prove a hypothesis wrong– and certainly not contradictory evidence, stops ideologues in pursuit of their goal. That might reveal inconvenient truths.
indeed!
A teacher was publicly called ineffective by the Los Angeles Times and was so upset he jumped off a bridge. They effectively called him a worthless loser in the damn newspaper. And as a result, he died of heartbreak. He is dead. How many other teachers suffered the same pain and lived through it? For what? For what, damn it!
Say his name: Roberto Riguelas
Roberto Riguelas.
How many other teachers also committed suicide or had their careers and lives destroyed.
People like Harvard’s John Friedman who said “The message is to fire people sooner rather than later” based on VAM should have been fired long ago.
But Harvard is a clown school, so that will never happen.
“Harv Ed Pee-er Review”
The Harvard Pee-er Review
Is really something new
Replacing edu journal
With Harvard Edu urinal
Here’s Duncan with a patronizing, scolding speech promoting VAM scores as a valid measure of teachers:
“Consider the words of two other teachers who ranked among L.A.’s lowest performers — according to the analysis. Instead of being defensive, one of them was quoted saying:
“Obviously what I need to do is to look at what I’m doing and take some steps to make sure something changes.” He also advocated sharing the data with parents to keep him and his colleagues “on their toes a little bit more.”
When another teacher saw her low score, she asked, “What do I need to do to bring my average up?”
Such responses, I believe, are real courage in action and I see that from teachers everywhere.”
Anyone who objects in any way to a Duncan gimmick or fad is by definition “being defensive” and those who go along are “courageous”
One really can’t exaggerate how bad he was at his job. Awful.
He should apologize, but he has never, not once, changed his position on any of the junk he pushed so I don’t imagine that will happen.
https://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/secretary-arne-duncans-remarks-statehouse-convention-center-little-rock-arkansas
Duncan doubles down on everything he did wrong
exactly
“Double Down”
Double down on standards
Double down on test
Double down on man-years
Prepping for a mess
Double down on Duncan
Double down on Gates
Double down on sunken
Ships and broken fates
Double down on flailing
Double down on rot
Double down on failing
Failing’s all they’ve got
Only there was no way to bring the average student scores up any more than there was a way to bring the average student height up. If my employer or a Times reporter had asked me what I thought about low scores, knowing full well there was nothing I could do, I would have said I needed to improve too, a survival response in the face of an attack.
Ruined lives. That is and will always be Obama’s unforgivable legacy.
And now Obama is playing his Academy Award winning Russian part, interfering in the election.
and he is not alone when he gets on his high horse and speaks endlessly about how ‘right’ he is: the reformer club truly loves his kind of ‘courage…’
Arne Duncan is the poster boy for the Duncan-Kludger Effect
“The Duncan-Kludger Effect” (after an effect of similar name: Dunning-Kruger)
The Duncan-Kludger Effect
Is rife with school “reform”
Where thinking has been checked
And chutzpah is the norm
I would suggest that turning all public policy over to economics professors speaks volumes on what ed reformers value and respect.
You don’t really need to know any more than that.
This link between teachers and height might prompt some administors I have known to pay some incompetent non-profit half my salary for a student stretcher.
While I don’t question your conclusion, Roy, if I may make a minor correction:
“This link between teachers and height might prompt some ADMINIMALS I have known to pay some incompetent non-profit half my salary for a student stretcher.
VAM is WRONG but still used to rate teachers in Ohio, Tennessee and other states. The economists and bean counters who are clueless about education insist on VAM nonsense.
They might be clueless about education, but at this late date they can not claim cluelessness about about the worthlessness of VAM.
To stick with their claims after all the evidence to the contrary is just plain dishonest.
Even without this study the fact that a $266,000 difference in lifetime earnings for a class (30 students?) should have signaled the worthless nature of the “evidence.” What’s a lifetime of earnings? 40 years?(We should all be so lucky!) All for approximately $200 more a year?
How about a study on the correlation of test scores and weight? 🙂
It’s actually much worse because Cherry only got his results ” through Chetty-picking, which basically renders his claims meaningless.
See Moshe Adler’s analysis.
Good idea.
There is money to be made on “VAM Watchers (TM)”
Exactly right! Such a hullabaloo over such a small bit of money.
I seem to remember reading that the impact a teacher may have on student scores is between 1% to 14% or somewhere in that range in a study from statisticians. How can they justify firing teachers on such unscientific, flimsy evidence? Do we live in a world where the only truth is anything out of the mouths of the 1%? What happened to justice? The correlation between student behavior and student performance is far greater than so-called VAM. Maybe we should all invest in student stretchers in this upside down world.
“Replacing a poor teacher with an average one would raise a single classroom’s lifetime earnings by about $266,000, the economists estimate.”
This is total horse manure. This is, of course, based on the assumption that a teacher is mostly responsible for student scores. This is pure fictitious nonsense from the calculations of some economist that assumes students are static widgets. As SomeDam would say: garbage in=garbage out. There are too many variables in the lives of students to come to this absurd conclusion.
The figure of $266,000 for a class of 26 students over their lifetime is pitifully small. It means about $10,000 per student over 40 years of work. I think that’s $250 a year per student. If the class has 30 students, it’s even less. Enough for a cup of coffee once a week.
And no fancy Starbuck’s coffee drink either!
Chettys “study” is complete junk. He only got his small income differential by cherry picking . He based it all on a supposed earnings differential at age 28, but conveniently disregarded the fact that there was no significant effect at age 30. After ignoring this, he then extrapolated the supposed earnings differential at age 28 far into the future.
Chetty is a perfect example of a mathturbator, someone who couches his work in completely meaningless statistics in order to impress the mathematically ignorant.
Anyone who knows anything about statistics can see that Chettys claims were nonsense.
It was a very big mistake for anyone to even acknowledge the small earnings differential claimed by Chetty because it was based on bogus assumptions and cherry picked data.
Moshe Adler laid all of this out quite clearly, but unfortunately, even members of the American Statistical Association who came out with their report on VAM neglected to make this crystal clear. Instead of specifically addressing Cherry’s bogus study, they pointed out the problems with VAM in general. This had the effect of watering down the impact of their report.
On the whole Academic statisticians (at Harvard and elsewhere) were completely silent about Chettys garbage.
If they had spoken up forcefully at the very beginning, VAM would probably never have gotten the foothold it did.
Chetty’s paper was published in December 2011. Duncan had already incorporated VAM into Race to the Top, which was announced in 2010. As you recall, states that wanted to compete for RTTT billions were required to mandate VAM for teachers and principals. It caused untold damage to lives and careers based on the spurious (and copyrighted) work of the late William Sanders, who kept his formulae a patented secret.
The problem is that, as you pointed out, Chetty’s claims were used by many people (including President Obama) to bolster the VAM and fire policy, which caused untold damage and is still causing damage.
If academic statisticians had criticized Chetty’s study as soon as itcame out, or at least as soon as Obama touted it in his state of the union, much of the VAMage caused by Duncan/Obama could have been mitigated (if not avoided entirely).
As a general rule, it is very bad for academics to remain silent on important matters like VAM. But it happens all too often because on the whole, academics don’t like to rock the boat. That’s actually ironic, since they are supposedly interested in truth.
Silence is always an option in the face of injustice and error. It is also cowardice.
Witness the many people on Trump’s staff who refuse to come forward and testify.
LOL. This is hilarious.
Oh, the irony that the Ed Deformers who push “data-driven” VAM, third-grade retention, college rankings, school grading, and so on accept such sloppy thinking about data!
Ed Deform is numerology. It’s a pseudoscience, like astrology or phrenology.
At the expense of the 99%, too many unethical economics and education professors pander to the rich. Their swarm could convince a person that evil has arrived in Riverdale..
“we apply commonly estimated value-added models to an outcome teachers cannot plausibly affect: student height. We find the standard deviation of teacher effects on height is nearly as large as that for math and reading achievement, raising obvious questions about validity.”
Oh,come now.
Everyone knows that “good” teachers (with high VAM scores) produce tall (and also beautiful) adults and “poor” teachers produce short (and ugly) ones.
That’s just common knowledge and common sense.
Who do these “researchers” think they are anyway, challenging VAManujan? ( aka, “The man who knew flimflamity”)
How about this comparison?
Compare school-age children that read an average of 10 books or more annually on their own when they were in school K-12, because they love to read; they are avid readers.
These avid readers that started young will, of course, keep reading throughout their lives.
This study will take into account college degrees earned after high school graduation and how much those people earned between the end of their school years and age 61 vs the same thing for K-12 kids with high test scores. Of course, some of the avid readers will also have high test scores.
How much do you want to bet that the avid readers no matter what their test scores were, end up with better jobs and better earnings in the long run.
They’re messing in the sandbox again.
“…the judge ruled that the practice might be unfair but it was not unconstitutional.”
Apparently the Florida constitution does not have laws that relate to fairness. This is certainly a wake up call to Floridians, who immediately called a constitutional convention to rectify this aspect of their constitution. Laws that are not necessarily fair should not be constitutional, and unfairness is a condition that can, at least in part, be mitigated by adding or subtracting in constitutional conventions.
If it violates equal protection under the law (which it does), it’s unconstitutional by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.
Of course, it’s no surprise that some Florida Judges would ignore the 14th Amendment which was enacted to protect African Americans (but applies to all Americans)
RT,
Fixing corruption in a state like Florida by holding a constitutional convention does not guarantee change for the better.
What changes will depend on who holds elected positions of power when a state or federal constitutional convention is held.
If the corrupt outnumber the honest, it is an easy bet that the corrupt will change the constitution to make corruption legal so they can steal more and get away with it.
This has been happening more in red states than in blue states.