Seth Abramson is a veteran journalist. He writes here about why MAGA is trying to push Biden out of the race: He’s the best candidate against Trump.
He begins:
Let’s cut to the chase: President Joe Biden is not going to end his 2024 campaign over a single poor debate performance, any more than Donald Trump did in 2020 after a first-in-the-cycle debate performance that voters conclusively told pollsters was worse than the one yesterday by this sitting president.
President Biden will stay in the race not simply because he’s already the nominee; not simply because there’s no mechanism to force him to exit; not simply because major media’s and politicos’ hyperventilating response to his debate performance yesterday—about 40% of voters appear to think he won the debate, and only 5% said it changed their vote (a sentiment unlikely to survive beyond a day in any case)—fails to take into account that the president had a cold, is a lifelong stutterer, performed much better as the debate went along, told a fraction of the number of lies his rival did, and saw his intermittent “old man” optics repeatedly belied by his conspicuous command of facts, policy, and history (check the transcript of the debate if you doubt this); no, Joe Biden will not step away from the 2024 election cycle because it would hand the presidency, beyond any doubt, to a confirmed rapist, serial sexual assailant, active insurrectionist, convicted felon, pathological liar, malignant narcissistic sociopath, gleeful adulterer, career criminal, unrepentant con man, traitorous would-be U.S. dictator, misogynist, antisemite, racist, homophobe, transphobe, Islamophobe, and budding war criminal.
Why would a Biden exit ensure a Trump victory?
Let us zoom through some reasons:
(1) Nobody now polls, or has ever polled, better against Trump than Biden. Rightly or not, it appears that at present American independents prefer one particular old white man to Donald Trump over any other option available to them. It is true now, and it was true in 2018 when Joe Biden first floated a presidential run and behind the scenes Trump and his team concluded that Biden was the biggest threat to his re-election. Team Trump thought so then—and turned out to be right—and it thinks so still. Why? Because all the polls say so. No poll has anyone else close to Trump, and Republicans are well aware of this.
(2) Biden has beat Trump before. Even if we ignore polls, we cannot ignore results. Joe Biden beat the pants off Trump in the popular vote and Electoral College in 2020, and the results weren’t that close. Biden picked up states Democrats thought they couldn’t get, more than doubled Hillary Clinton’s popular-vote margin over Trump, and did all this while, well, old. Was he less old in 2020 than today? Yes, of course. But he was still a stutterer who sometimes loses his train of thought, misspeaks, and underperforms in many debates and interviews. Nevertheless, voters decided that they liked him, trusted him, and believed he’d surrounded himself with great advisers. Which he did.
(3) Biden has had—unlike Trump—a successful presidency. Nonpartisan historians now universally rank President Biden in the Top 20 presidents ever. Yes, really; feel free to Google it. They do this because the Biden administration has gotten results, even when and as they have not been widely reported by the media. But the results are there even if you’re not a historian: inflation is easing, the economy is healthy, crime is down, COVID-19 is under control, we’re out of Afghanistan, NATO is stronger than ever, and the Executive Order the president just signed on the border has clearly had a major and immediate effect on reducing border crossings. Unemployment’s low and Biden has avoided any major scandals. Foreign leaders like him and trust him. By comparison, nonpartisan historians universally rank Donald Trump among the worst five presidents in American history due to his rank incompetence, deceit, corruption, and moral depravity. Why would the Democrats trade a Top 20 president for some as-yet unnamed pol who is untested on the national stage and has no POTUS track record?
Please open the link and finish reading.

Can you show me any evidence that it’s MAGA that wants Biden to step aside? Every article I’ve seen saying that has been written by a liberal/progressive. I haven’t seen anything from MAGA. but I’m open to being shown otherwise.
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It’s definitely an assumption. Everything everyone writes on this topic is heavy on assumptions. My assumptions are: (1) Maga presumably likes chaos, so for that reason it probably likes the idea of Biden stepping aside; but (2) MAGA also loves the idea of a matchup against the guy who performed like Biden did in the last debate.
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Wrong. https://wapo.st/3XUOzhT
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Well , I said it was an assumption!
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There IS evidence that Biden was the Democrat most likely to defeat Trump. Biden is the only politician who has beaten Trump! Trump wiped the floor with all the top Republicans in 2016 primary. But what’s more shocking is Trump ALSO wiped the floor with all the Republicans in 2024, when he was the OLD guy who incited insurrection, took home top secret documents and refused to give them back, and presided over the thriving (but mostly for the rich) economy Obama left him by making the economy MORE thriving for those rich folks and giving them an enormous tax cut that blew up the deficit and hurt everyone else. Not to mention the crazy ideas Trump had about covid at a time when America sorely needed some real leadership. Does Trump winning the Republican primary this year “prove” that the RNC is in the tank for Trump? Or is Trump an extremely hard candidate to beat, even after his lies and terrible leadership were out there for voters to see?
Trump himself knew this in 2018 when his state department facilitated Trump crony Rudy Giuliani’s pressure campaign to have Ukraine smear Biden before Biden was even a candidate! Once Biden declared, Trump risked his presidency and committed an impeachable offense, extorting Ukraine, for the sole purpose of forcing Zelensky to smear Biden publicly. What scared Trump so much about Biden that he’d extort help from a foreign leader, especially when Biden seemed the LEAST likely to even win the primary?
Biden was Teflon Joe in 2020 – the Republicans screamed “Burisma” and “Hunter” like they screamed “Benghazi” and “her emails”, but people LIKED Biden. The lie that Biden was as corrupt as HRC did not stick no matter how many times it was launched.
The Trump campaign is still scared of Biden. None of their attacks have worked and they have amplified the “Biden is a vegetable” attack since Biden won the 2020 nomination. Our resident purveyor of Republican propaganda is proof of that. That “vegetable” Biden just happened to preside over the most successful administrations in recent history, so it didn’t have much success in convincing voters. It was damaging, however, because it meant that a single debate fail like Biden had could be twisted into the narrative that Biden is cognitively unfit to be president. Which is weird because Biden IS president and his administration is going so well that Bernie Sanders and AOC made very early endorsements for Biden’s re-election instead of doing what everyone expected them to do and waiting.
Now I realize folks here who hate Biden believe that Bernie Sanders and AOC just lack their superior judgement – these Biden-haters have been telling us Biden is a vegetable for 4 years, and those nasty progressives went ahead and endorsed Biden’s re-election. The reason the NYT hates Biden is likely why they were so hard on Bernie Sanders — Biden is too progressive, and if AOC and Bernie wanted him to be re-elected, the people who hate Bernie and progressives will stop it.
It’s interesting the call for Biden to step down is coming from the corporate Dems that progressives hate. Maybe the progressives will eventually join in. Because they won’t have a choice, even though they were the ones who wanted Biden to have a 2nd term.
Biden’s cognition is declining. But Bernie Sanders and AOC believed he should run for another term because despite that decline, Biden was running an exemplary presidency.
I always said that AOC and Bernie are truth tellers while the person who has been telling us that Biden is a vegetable has often posted falsehoods to defend Putin. But whatever. The Biden-haters and Bernie/AOC haters will get what they want with the help of the NYT.
Before the debate, the right wing (and Biden haters here) were always pushing the narrative that Biden was a vegetable. Now that the corporate Dems have taken over their mantle, they don’t post here much, but they are absolutely still shouting about Biden’s dementia on every right wing news outlet.
Bernie Sanders and AOC knew Biden was the best hope of defeating Trump. Although now that the NYT has permanently damaged Biden and clearly intends to continue until Biden steps down, Biden’s chances of winning tanked. Which is a win-win for Trump. Either he gets the weaker Biden replacement nominee who he will swat away like he swatted away Republican challengers. Or Biden will be mortally wounded.
I would replace Biden with a ham sandwich if I thought the sandwich could beat Trump. But the best shot was an old and slow Biden who performed awfully at the first debate, but whose debate failure was the same 2 day story every Republican’s debate fail is. That didn’t happen so we are probably screwed.
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“I would replace Biden with a ham sandwich if I thought it could beat Trump.”
That’s all you needed to say.
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thank you nycpublicschoolparent!
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They don’t. Abramson is spinning madly. Check out https://wapo.st/3XUOzhT
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Are you kidding? In what world would it be smart for MAGAland to start announcing that Biden should step aside? Did you read the article?
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Trump has consistently led over Biden in most polls for quite a while. Since the debate, his lead has increased. Why would MAGA want Biden to step aside?
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Seth Abramson explained, in case you didn’t read his article, that Biden polls better against Trump than any other Democrat. Same was true in 2020, when tried to coerce Zelensky to dig up dirt on Biden. He was the strongest Democrat against Trump.
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Then Democrats are in more trouble than simply switching horses midstream can fix because Biden is losing to Trump by significant margins in nearly every poll. If Biden is the best polling Democrat, that suggests that Democrats can’t beat Trump. If I were a Democrat, I’d be worried about that.
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Polls change all the time.
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I am PROFOUNDLY worried about that.
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Even though I believe Biden will win, we can’t afford to be complacent.
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If I were a MAGAt looking at Biden’s polling numbers, I would not be wanting him to step aside.
BTW, way, way back in 2020, Biden’s people were so concerned about his age and general appearance that he ran the weirdest presidential campaign in history–nicknamed the “basement campaign” because he rarely, rarely appeared in public. Way back then, four years ago, I said that this was because of Biden’s age. People age at differing rates. Joe is a great man. He has been a great president. I would take him, as he is, with the team he has in place, over the utterly despicable Trump any day. It’s difficult to imagine anything WORSE than another Trump presidency. But I cannot believe that we are still arguing about Biden’s age. Just look at the man and listen to him speak. Watch him walk. He looks and acts much older than his years.
There is no shame in this. I used to run sprawling and complex editorial operations. I could not do this today. It’s simply the fact. I am older. Some things I could do in the past are beyond me today. It’s simply being in touch with reality to acknowledge that.
But I’ll take the Biden figurehead presidency over that of the bloviating blowhard buffoonish criminal, predatory traitor to his country ANY DAY.
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I agree with you, Bob. Iden has aged on the job, as do all Presidents. If the alternative is Trump, I would vote for Biden, regardless of his age. I’m older than Biden and I know my gait has slowed. I can’t walk as energetically as I used to.
But a President brings with him his knowledge, experience, wisdom and a team. Biden has an excellent team, working to improve the lives of ordinary Americans. Trump’s team will Foment hate and division, as he does, and he will appoint more reactionary justices to the Supreme Court.
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Exactly right
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Have you ever noticed how weird Joe Biden’s eyes look? This guy has had a lot of Botox.
And have you noticed how combover Donnie stands? It looks pretty clear that he is wearing a back brace and, I suspect, adult diapers.
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I had a friend who recently passed away. The day she died, her Facebook picture was of her 20+ years earlier. Our beloved blog host Diane Ravitch, in contrast, posts pictures of herself as she looks today. Beautiful as always. But older. I cannot look upon her except with joy. What a wonderful person.
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I found a stack of old driver’s licenses with pictures of my dad. He aged! But he was still more put together than 95% of people when it came to cognition the day he died at 89. Biden doesn’t sound much different than he did 4 years ago. I can’t imagine our allies want a senile old man leading this country any more than they appear able to stomach Trump. Yeah, Biden is getting up there, but he manages to keep a schedule that most of us “elderly” couldn’t. I doubt our allies see Biden as the better of a bad bargain.
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I read not long ago that he typically puts in a three-hour workday, according to insiders at the WH.
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Trump took more vacation time (golfing) than any other President. He spent hours every day watching Faux News.
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I have not read that nor do I believe it. You are demonstrating how such gossip gets spread. What do insiders in the WH have to gain by spreading such rumors. I w outdated assume they would have to be really close to the President to be aware of how he spends his time behind closed doors. Somebody is trying to compare his work habits with Trump’s documented poor work habits.
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Biden traveled to Europe twice in one week. Then flew from Europe to LA. That’s a killer schedule.
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I wish I had saved the piece. I found it credible, and it fit with other things I had noticed–how old he looks in public appearances, his choice to run an almost public-appearance-free campaign in 2020. I will see if I can find it.
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Bob,
Please read the 9 am post. You will change your mind, I think.
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Thanks, Diane. Will do.
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Maybe others here aren’t finding aging as challenging as I am. I KNOW that I am not up to the same level of responsibility and activity that I was when I was 50. And I am fine with that. I understand that with my age comes certain limitations.
I am really surprised that many don’t seem to see what I do when I watch Biden. He seems to me REALLY aged.
A lot goes on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. Kennedy taking drugs and consorting with mobsters and sleeping with under-age interns. I don’t know if, when I read the reports that Joe routinely screams and curses at staff, if they are true.
But I know this. An aged, screaming Biden if as much better than Trump as eating pumpkin pie is better than drinking battery acid.
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When I make kimchi, I let it ferment on a countertop for three days. Then I refrigerate it. Well, I just forgot to refrigerate it on the third day, and by the fourth, it was covered with Kam yeast and had to be discarded–the whole batch wasted. This is not the sort of thing I would have forgotten a few years ago. It’s a sign of my aging. But in my case, the worst that happens is that I have to make a batch of kimchi over again.
At the last big publishing house I worked at, part of the charter was that the CEO had to resign at 72. Ageism or sense? I look at myself and say, sense. I look at Diane and say, ageism.
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I was the one who first posted that interview with Richardson to your site, Diane! I have long been a huge fan of her and of Christiane Amanpour.
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Thank you, Bob.
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The story was in Axios. They interviewed “two top aides” who said that Biden is “dependably engaged” only between the hours of 10 AM and 4 PM. The same story, in the version I read, said that aides try to keep his work within that time frame and to limit the serious stuff to no more than three hours. This is not at all surprising. He’s 81 years old, and for some people, that is a truly advanced age. He looks and sounds to me like a guy in his 90s.
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But he has accomplished great legislation with a narrow majority. He gets a lot accomplished from 10-4.
Trump accomplished nothing other than a tax cut for the 1% and corporations.
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I agree. I fully support this administration. It’s as preferable to a second Trump administration as a nice Sunday dinner with family is to colon cancer.
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So one story. “Dependably engaged” for six hours straight, serious stuff kept to three hours. And what is he doing the other waking hours? Stuffing his face with hamburgers? Come on, Bob. I would be firing those aides. Actually, they should have left the administration with their obvious concerns over Biden’s ability to lead and spread the word openly, not leaked it.
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I have no idea. Sleeping? Resting? Having lunch with Jill?
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So your automatic assumption is that no more government business is handled after those six hours. I bet he has an early supper and hits the sack no later than nine after an evening of TV watching. Seriously?!
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I have said many times that the business of governing is done by a team, not by the man alone. So, no. I did not make that assumption or assert such a crazy notion. And, if you read my comments, I said that they TRY to schedule things between those hours, according to insiders in the administration. They are not always successful, as we saw during the utter debacle that was the debate.
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Bob: You mean as distinct from Trump’s staffing with the likes of Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Stephen Miller, Mike Flynn, the daughter and son-in-law, Marjorie Taylor Green-type people and one-horse religious zealots . . . and others who are okay with killing corporate regulations that curb climate change and keep morally degenerate companies from poisoning our children’s food, water, and air, and . . . fill in the blank.
Hmmmm, . . . whom should I vote for? CBK
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Exactly what I mean. A second Trump administration will see even worse. The return of Stephen Goebbels Miller, ofc, but also people like Matt Gaetz who have the moral scruples of parasitic wasp larvae.
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Bottom line…there is no one who has the name recognition or the track record to become the Democratic nominee. Period. If Biden loses, the only people to blame will be the leadership of the Democratic party. We eat our own. The Republicans are able to unite behind a creature that is not and has never been presidential material, and we can’t unite behind the most successful Democratic president since Roosevelt. It is far too late in the game to be second guessing our nominee.My God! If a Democrat chose groceries the way they waffle over Biden, they would never get out of the store. In the end, this election is not about Biden but about whether we want to remain a democracy.
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Republicans have extremely low standards. They are not interested in governance. They are interested in nongovernance and raw power and sticking it to anyone not like them–to members of minority groups, to the poor, to gays and lesbians and trans persons, to immigrants and foreigners, to Non Christians. They are into the whole personality cult around the Glorious Leader thing because they worship raw power. So, yeah, they are willing to rally around a Fuehrer. We should not aspire to be like them in any of this.
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To rally around Biden is to vote for democracy. Any other choice at this point is like a vote for Trump. No party has ever won the presidency that changed horses this late according to Heather Cox Richardson. Keep questioning Biden’s fitness and give the race to Trump. The choice is this–autocracy or democracy.
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Nate Silver calls for Biden to resign after ‘incoherent’ comments in ABC interview (msn.com)
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The broken leg problem – by Nate Silver – Silver Bulletin
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And I am supposed to find this article compelling?
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Well, yes, because the author is the leading pollster and political prognosticator in the United States and earns his living following all the polls and collating the data and making predictions based on these. Well, yes, because he knows what he is doing and isn’t simply spouting opinions. Well, yes, because he is going about this as scientifically as one can.
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Nate Silver’s website:
Polls | FiveThirtyEight
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Gee, he forgot to examine the historical data that says if we switch horses now we will lose.
What is his track record of successful predictions? On what basis has he decided that Biden will drop out?
I am with Fetterman. If by some chance Biden becomes unable to govern after he is elected, we will end up with the most qualified candidate, Kamala Harris. If he stepped down before the election, I’m not sure the old boys club would choose her. Yeah, there is plenty of misogyny to go around, not to mention bias if not out and out racism.
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In summary, Nate Silver’s track record demonstrates his proficiency in using probabilistic and statistical modeling to understand complex social systems, including elections.
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Silver has a long history of predicting state presidential outcomes with almost 100 percent accuracy. I posted the details on this in a comment, but that comment is in moderation. Suffice it to say that his history of correct prognostication is unequaled and truly amazing.
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Agree with you about the misogyny. Perhaps Joe should resign and make her president now. THEN, she can run for reelection.
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Does no one get it that the more talking heads and politicians bemoan Biden’s supposed incompetence to lead, the more the little guy wonders as well? What do you think the chances are that the pols can all get behind one alternative candidate in time to mount a successful campaign? Just where is this groundswell of support going to come from? I hate to tell you, but the Messiah ain’t waiting in the wings. We have a candidate who has lead the country for almost four years with phenomenal success. We have a candidate who has a proven track record and is a staunch supporter of democratic governance.
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Again, my argument is that everyone who would have voted for Biden would vote for, say, Harris, and that some people who would not have voted for Biden–young people in particular–would also vote for Harris and that, therefore, we would have a better chance of beating Trump if Biden dropped out in favor of her. I don’t think Dems would lose votes by making this move. I do think that they would gain some. And democracy itself is at stake.
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You sure have a lot of confidence in the Democrats to immediately unite behind a candidate. The Black caucus has indicated that the only choice should be Kamala. All those guys salivating in the wings are going to immediately acquiesce? In your dreams.
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Again, I think that the Dems who are going to vote for Biden are going to vote for whoever the candidate is. And if that candidate is Harris, she will galvanize the youth vote by being the first woman and the black vote because blacks know how freaking awesome she is.
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I am amused that you think that the democrats can agree on a candidate in the few days that they have. I am not amused that you think that that decision should be left to a select few, and we don’t have time for a contested convention, which is still a poor substitute for the primary process. For now, let’s just all keep harping on Biden’s incompetence, a winning strategy against the Trump machine.
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I’m all about the precautionary principle here. Trump must be defeated. That is the sine qua non. I think that the best way to do that is for Kamala to step into the role, for the reasons stated. I do not think that Biden, who looks and sounds like a guy in freaking hospice, is going to galvanize young voters and undecideds and independent voters to come to the polls. And if he doesn’t, we lose and the unspeakable happens.
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“…Biden, who looks and sounds like a guy in freaking hospice…”
That’s why they hid Roosevelt’s disabilities. Heaven forbid that he should be judged on the basis of his appearance in a wheelchair. Biden has a poor and badly managed debate appearance, and you are ready to declare him near death. I’m sure the NYT would appreciate your commentary.
I would vote for Kamala, but for the reasons I have already stated, I’m not at all sure she could win, and if the Black vote is already leaving Biden despite Kamala Harris presence on the ticket, why would they come back if she was the head of it?
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Biden has a poor and badly managed debate appearance, and you are ready to declare him near death.
I have been saying ever since 2020 that Biden looks and acts extremely elderly. The debate performance was but one example. His people carefully shield him from too much facetime in public for this very reason, and they have been doing that for years now. There is a reason why he ran a “basement campaign.” We saw that reason the other night in the debate and then in the interview with George Stephanopoulus. But it’s quite evident every time he speaks. A year ago, I wrote in comments here that he looks and speaks like a person in his 90s. People age at different rates. I have some experience of this. My mother was a homecare nurse for elderly people, and she would often have me go spend time with them, keep them company. She had one patient who, at 102, was sharp as a tack. She had others who were totally failing in their early 70s.
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One can fail mentally in many ways and still have wisdom. Biden should step down. Harris should take his place. And he should be appointed a senior advisor to her. In fact, I think that our chief executive could do with a witan–a council of wise old folks.
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Speduktr,
I disagree. I believe our allies are terrified of another Trump term.
He wants to withdraw from NATO at a time when Putin threatens members of NATO. Trump will abandon Ukraine, which frees Putin to pursue his expansionist agenda. Trump doesn’t care about climate change. Our allies do. Trump is a nativist and an isolationist. Europeans want the U.S. to stand with them against resurgent fascism.
They also consider Trump to be an egomaniac and a know-nothing.
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I really worded my comment poorly. I totally agree with you. I meant to indicate that our allies support of Biden and their dislike and distrust of Trump couldn’t be more obvious. I got too cute.
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Our allies think that Trump is a fool.
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They also think he’s a dangerous idiot.
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We can only hope that all the independent and uncommitted voters will forget Biden’s absolutely horrific performance during the first debate. I was shocked at how poorly he did, I was not expecting such a disastrous flop from him. It’s a tough call, so many Democrats are calling for him to step down. Of course the one who should step down is Trump. He should step down and go away from the public scene forever.
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In other words, we can only hope they’ll ignore what they saw like Trump hopes they’ll forget Jan.6. Fat chance.
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Why is everyone so hung up on Biden’s poor debate ? I don’ t think I have ever voted for someone because they were a good debater. Frankly, Biden’s track record has been far superior to any president for which I have been eligible to vote. (It was so long ago that I think I had to be 21.)
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Good morning Diane and everyone,
I don’t know why the Biden campaign doesn’t create an ad compiling video of every outrageous thing Trump has said from being a dictator on day 1 to punishing women for getting abortions. People have to continually watch those words coming straight out of his mouth – not some narrator saying what Trump said.
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Democrats should go on the attack with Trump’s own lies and insane comments.
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This is precisely what needs to happen, but Democratic campaign people always namby pamby things, always are afraid to go on the attack. This is why Gore lost, btw. Because everything he said was platitudes because he was freaking too much of a coward to speak plain what he actually wanted and thought. Cowards lose. The Biden marketing team is made up of cowards.
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The Lincoln Project has been doing that since December 17, 2019. All the Democrats have to do is use the same videos repeatedly with ADs. The work has already been done.
The Lincoln Project
The founders of The Lincoln Project are Never Trump conservatives that want the Republican Party back after getting rid of Traitor Trump and his lunatic MAGA Christian Nationalist cult. One of the founders even ended up divorcing his wife, Kellyanne Conway, because of Traitor Trump.
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Mamie Krupczak AllegrettiDo you have any idea what 22 hours of air time would cost Biden. Besides that I throw up after 30 seconds of Trump .
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Diane,
You’re making a fool of yourself by continuing to deny – explicitly and implicitly – that Joe Biden has suffered serious cognitive decline, more than enough decline that he is not functioning as President on a full-time basis. This isn’t a MAGA position – left-wing outlets like The New Republic, The Nation, and others want Biden to voluntarily retire from the race for this reason. They also think that Biden is now not electable. The New York Times subscriber base is 91% Democratic voting; peruse a few dozen reader comments for any piece regarding Biden and 98+% of the liberal commenters want Biden to step aside. Nothing I write here is a defense of Trump, who I wish would also leave public life.
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And here we go. If you want to know why Democrats lose, this comment is all you need to read.
Let me explain one thing: If Biden is replaced, Trump wins. Let me repeat it: If Biden is replaced, Democrats lose.
What a bunch of wussies I’m reading. This is why Democrats lose – they panic and fold. NO ONE who replaces Biden will win (unless Trump dies – not likely). Donald Trump – whoremonger, serial fabulist, felon, insane monster – has managed to expose the bloody underbelly of the Republican electorate. Understand one thing – the election of Donald Trump will end this country. END this country. The Constitution will be tossed aside as an undesirable encumbrance on the dictator’s bloodlust and whims. NOTHING you have always relied on in this country will survive. No protection of the law, no help for the poor, no education, no allies (Ukraine and Europe will fall), and the reaction of the U.S. will not be to stand in proud defiance of the dark side. It will be to watch passively as the tanks roll in from the East. The body count will easily exceed World War II’s.
The European continent will be overrun by Russian troops. And let me remind those old enough to remember: When Germany fell, their troops desperately tried to surrender to American troops. They knew the Russians would slaughter them. That’s Russia, and that’s Putin.
One thing you may not know – when the Russian troops were fighting and shooting the Nazis, there was ANOTHER line of Russian soldiers behind the front line with THEIR guns trained on their OWN troops, ready to kill their fellow soldiers if they flagged in their slaughter.
THAT’s Russia. That’s Trump’s best friend. And they’ll kill Trump the second he becomes a burden and not a sucker. Right now they love him because he’s their agent, their stooge. But Russians don’t waste time on the useless, and Trump will be expendable.
So are we, under Trump. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone except himself. Not Eric, not Don Jr., and certainly not Melania.
And most definitely NOT YOU.
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Good thing France and the UK have a Nuclear deterrent.
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Yeah. Us.
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Exactly right, JSR
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Now now the ‘Lawyer’ who told us about the integrity of the Federal Court System is now in a panic. I have been in a Panic since Bush v Gore.
But the point was Europe can no longer rely on the US to stand up against Putin.
No back slapping intended.
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Europe can no longer rely on us.
Point well made, Joel. This will definitely be the case if Trump is reelected. All the gods forbid.
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Oooh! Scare quotes.
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jsrtheta: And the administrative state . . . another thing that most/all of us use every day as a part of the political air that we breathe. The laws and practices that govern it are OUR source of order and power.
So much that we all TAKE FOR GRANTED will disappear down the Trump rabbit hole . . while we all watch our freedoms die. CBK
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You can repeat your opening claim as much as you want, only Harris is beating Biden in head to head polling against Trump…without lifting a finger. (Just as Sanders was back in 2020 before the DNC and Clyburn sandbagged him when he won CA & NV).
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Over at Lawyers, Guns & Money they talk about the ideal Democratic candidate as “Johnny Unbeatable”.
This is the candidate who dominates in every head-to-head race according to polls.
“Johnny Unbeatable” doesn’t exist, because the second he enters a race for real his poll numbers plummet precipitously.
Michelle Obama is Johnny Unbeatable. Polls without consequence are simply mental masturbation.
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Forget Michelle Obama. She is not going to enter the race.
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Intetesting that I mention Harris and you come back with a slam against Michelle Obama. I would never accuse anyone of being racist, or sexist, or sexist-racist, but if you read a newspaper occasionally instead of obscure blogs about guns & money, you might have noticed they’re two different people. And one is one of only two elected national officials in the USA.
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“I would never accuse anyone of being racist, or sexist, or sexist-racist, but if you read a newspaper occasionally instead of obscure blogs about guns & money, you might have noticed they’re two different people.”
Lawyers, Guns & Money” is not an “obscure” blog.
You could learn a lot if you read it. But I don’t think that’s your aim.
Btw, protesting too much gives the lie to your statement.
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😂 Harris ≠ Obama, is the point.
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You had a point?
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I think the fool here is Wendy Watson.
Let’s have a real publicly televised physical and mental cognitive test for both candidates with doctors who are independent voters who do not belong to either major party after a grand jury investigation to determine that those doctors are not biased and can’t be bullied by Traitor Trump.
Both candidates have no say who those doctors turn out to be. Even if they used military doctors, that wouldn’t work because the more than 70% of the officers in the US military are never Trumpers.
I’d bet that Traitor Trump would fail both tests while Biden would pass with considerations for what’s mentally and physically health for two men at their age.
Biden is 81
Trump is 78
Biden lives a healthy lifestyle and exercised
Trump doesn’t. Traitor Trump may be three years younger, but his body is 10 years older than Biden’s.
There also needs to be drug tests before every debate to determine that both candidates are not on steroids and/or cognitive enhancers, cocaine and other illegally dangerous drugs.
I think Biden would agree, but Traitor Trump wouldn’t. He’d lie and tell his MAGA cult of Christian Nationalist lunatics that the tests would be rigged so he’d fail.
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Not really what grand juries do, or are supposed to do.
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Biden refused to take a cognitive exam as part of his most recent annual physical exam. Use common sense and ask yourself why, because after the recent debate Biden’s greatest political liability is the widely held belief that he has suffered major cognitive decline. If Biden could pass an independently conducted cognitive exam, he would do so this week and release the results to the public.
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In thrall to a crook.
So, so sad.
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Who is in thrall to a crook? I’ve said that I wish Trump would also leave public life.
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OK but the Biden team won’t let it happen, leaning on a year and a half old medical check-up. Why not? Gee, I wonder….
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The fool has said in his or her heart that Diane Ravitch is a fool.
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Diane Ravitch recently wrote here – after the debate – that she believes Joe Biden is cognitively fit enough to serve another four year term. You have clearly indicated that you disagree with her. Is your friendship with her not strong enough to survive good faith disagreement?
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Yes
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There have been times when Diane and I do not agree about something, but I disagree with her at my peril because a) she is brilliant and b) she is compassionate and c) she knows a lot and d) if she and I disagree, she might be right and I might be wrong. LOL. My admiration for Diane knows no bounds.
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And the fact is that we are not that much in disagreement. We both emphatically think that a second Trump presidency would be a nightmare, a catastrophe for the United States and for the world. I have long contended here that Joe Biden is showing signs of extreme age and should have stepped down in favor of a younger candidate. However, I have also argued that given the practical realities, elderly Biden is far, far, far more preferable than is Trump. Why? Because a presidency isn’t a single person. It’s a team. And obviously, the Biden team has been delivering good governance. Trump is a seditionist and a traitor, a Russian stooge, Putin’s lapdog, who mocks our military and intelligence communities. There is no choice between these two. On this she and I emphatically agree.
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She is so brilliant that she changed her mind about almost everything she used to believe. That sounds much more like a tribalist who shifted many positions for psychological reasons – to fit in with her new tribe – and who has the zeal of a convert, like an atheist who becomes an evangelical Christian. It’s a free country, so we all have the right to do that.
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She paid attention to the evidence. That’s what smart people do. They follow the evidence. Duh.
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The rightwingers hate to have lost you, Diane! They haven’t gotten over it.
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Strange thing about our times, Bob. If you decide you were wrong and admit your error, you will be denounced as a bad person who became a zealot. Like an atheist who discovers God. The antidote is to be a mindless zealot who never questions her beliefs.
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Ben Woodley,
You don’t know what you are talking about. Which of my books have you read? My fundamental beliefs have never changed. I have never believed in panaceas or miracle cures in education. I turned against privatization and punitive high-stakes testing because both were tried and failed to fix anything.
My deep belief in the importance of an education grounded in literature, history, science, and mathematics has never changed.
Some people stubbornly cling to failed ideas. I do not.
What do you do when the things you advocated don’t work?
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maybe you should keep watching…
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Perhaps this is what has to happen. We have to have our Fascism stage under Return of The Thing, uh, Donald Trump, and the Trumpy Extreme Court Just Asses and this has to be a wrenching and horrific nightmare, an utter catastrophe of epic proportions, to bring the country to its senses. We are Germany in 1932. Perhaps we have to go through horror before we can become a sane Social Democracy like Germany today.
And what rough beast, it’s hour come ’round at last, . . .
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Germany would still be a fascist white supremacist country if the US and other western democracies had not bombed them, invaded their country, and set up a new government.
I’d like to think Canada would invade us and take over if Trump and the Republicans turn us into a Putin-democracy, but I am not holding my breath.
We are more likely to become Putin’s Russia than Germany. No one will oppose our great leader in the great “democracy” the Republicans have established. Don’t you know that Putin is only in power because he wins democratic elections?
Unless a benign dictator wants to leave a legacy of democracy, or a foreign military disbands the government, this country will be as appealing as Russia. Where will the new promised land for seekers of democracy and freedom be?
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As of 11 March 2024 the US Department of Defense fiscal year 2025 (FY2025) budget request was $849.8 billion
We have 1.3 million troops.
State Department data on military expenditures from 2009 to 2019 shows that the US has spent as much on its defense as the next 11 top-spending countries combined. China had the next-highest expenditure, investing, on average, less than 30% of what the US allocates. India, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the United Kingdom trail further behind.
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We are overwhelmingly powerful. And it’s important that we stay that way.
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The US and Russia are extremely unlike one another. Americans are extremely independent. Russians have never known anything but autocratic rule and are quite comfortable with it. It’s not even apples and oranges. It’s apples and shoelaces or something like that.
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I’ve often thought this very thing, Bob. Unfortunately.
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Gee now why did I forget about the Lincoln Project? Probably because I rarely if ever see one of their ads.
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I rarely see any ads supporting or attacking either candidate. Maybe it’s because I don’t watch tv. I get a fair number of YouTube pop-up ads from Biden asking for money (“I’m Joe Biden, let’s cut the malarkey!”), but that’s about it.
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There aren’t many, if any, ads running on TV.
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Jsrtheta,
No ads in states that are dependably red or blue.
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It’s July. No one’s running anything because they are bright enough not to run ads when no one is watching.
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Clyburn said today that he supports the idea of a “mini-primary” in the event Biden decides to step aside. I have no idea what a mini-primary is, but it really does feel like the dam is breaking.
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I’d have to agree. Clyburn was Biden’s strong ally.
Unfortunately, he was the only strong candidate against Trump.
Should have demanded he would only commit to one term.
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Only strong candidate against Trump? I guess you never saw Bernie Sanders’s 2020 head to head polling against then-POTUS. You might have heard of Sanders. He whipped Biden’s butt in the CA. and NV primaries, but the DNC pretended the results weren’t in until Clyburn could wire SC for Joe, nudging Buttigieg & Klobuchar to drop out.
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As they say, as Nevada and California go, so goes the nation.
Oh, wait…
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Meaning, “oh wait, SC is a bellwether?” #nonsequitor
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You could use a basic introduction to logic.
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Could not disagree anymore. Maga? How about nearly liberal media. Why would we want Biden to leave? He was Teflon with a pandemic, mail in voting, drop boxes, voter fraud, stiffing machines and more. He does not have that cover now. NYC parent where does your kid go to schoo ? You are as lost as Biden. Whoever thinks Harris is the answer has no sense of politics . Michelle is only shot. No world Biden beats Trump. Diane is wrong because Biden were a republican this cover she is showing would be all gone .
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dear god, girl, take your meds…
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These popups may as well be bots.
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‘We have never been here as a country’: Historian Heather Cox Richardson puts Trump immunity ruling into perspective (msn.com)
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She’s exactly right…we have never been here before, exactly, though during the spring and summer of 1864 Ulysses S. Grant felt compelled to keep pushing toward Richmond no matter the cost because there was real fear that Lincoln would lose the election in November, which would likely have changed things / including the outcome of the Civil War – significantly.
Lincoln won, and we know the rest. But.
We Americans have a generally poor understanding of our own history. Republicans seem to specialize in that.
Climate change is a dire threat to the U.S. and the world. So are Trump and Republicans and their “base.”
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If Biden is up to the challenge of another term, maybe he should host a good, old-fashioned press conference, broadcast live?
Open up to questions in a free and open way. I could see him saying, hey, he’s limiting how many zingers he’ll take about the debate and his cognitive ability. Then, go to it. Show he’s still got the goods to handle tough questions from professional journalists about the big world issues we’re up against.
In my opinion, if Biden can’t do that, he should step aside.
At this point, #46 needs to swing for the fences.
#45….he just lies and blusters his way through everything. If only I could never hear his name again.
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Biden would be relatable in a casual format like a “fireside chat.”
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Whatever the case, millions of young people – literally our future – are disengaging entirely from political life as two old white men kvetch about their golf handicaps.
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Yeah, that was a CRAZY part of that debate. Like, who cares.
There were these hugely important questions about child care and global warming and they’re talking about chasing a little white ball around perfectly manicured lawns.
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THIS
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One problem, Seth and Diane. MAGAts _want_ Biden to stay in the race. Since Seth’s screed doesn’t offer a kick of evidence to support the headline, try this: https://wapo.st/3XUOzhT
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The question is how did we get here. The question is with Biden’s record on the economy. Real median wages up higher than inflation. Up highest for the bottom 40% . But even up minimally above inflation up to 80th income percentile. While unemployment was below 4% for 28 months. A record going back to 1965. Before the military was added to the workforce by Reagan to lower the unemployment number. Where did they get the perception that the economy is terrible. After all near 70% tell pollsters they are doing okay ,to good but the National economy is terrible. People must be spending a lot of time traveling around the country talking to other people about the economy? And Trump can rant on immigrants and crime . It would seem in NYC an invasion of immigrants has lowered the crime rate, lower than any year Bloomberg was in office all the way back to 1960 when America was great. Similar story Nationally. So if people are not experiencing crime personally nor their acquaintances. How do we explain the disconnect. Turn on CBS local News at 5. Or after the Tony Awards. “Murders in Brownsville out of control” Followed by an interview with several residents. It would be helpful to point out that in NYC most of the murders are committed in poorer communities like Brownsville and always have been. but Murders are down in NYC 19% year to date and lower than any year Bloomberg was in office all the way back to 1960 even as the city has 1.5 million more people. If most crime is committed in underprivileged neighborhoods and crime is lower ; did it only drop on Park venue. Then the National media echos the local reports. As for the economy just yesterday in the NYT and as my head spun , I read the article before the Baker tweet. “America’s Divided Summer Economy Is Coming to an Airport or Hotel Near You””The gulf between higher- and lower-income consumers has been widening for years, but it is expected to show up especially clearly in travel this season.” As they highlight an airport worker who is falling behind. “Ms. Barber, 42, makes $19 per hour, 40 hours per week, driving a trash truck that cleans up after international flights. It is a difficult position: The tarmac is sweltering in the Southern summer sun; the rubbish bags are heavy. And while it’s poised to be a busy summer, Ms. Barber’s job is increasingly failing to pay the bills. Both prices and her home taxes are up notably, but she is making just $1 an hour more than she was when she started the gig five years ago.” Followed by “While that is not the standard experience — overall, wages for lower-income people have grown faster than inflation since at least late 2022 — it is a reminder that behind the averages, some people are falling behind.” Which begs the question why the article in the first place? There have always been poor people, people falling behind who can’t afford much. Most people will not get past the headline or first few paragraphs. Is it a wonder they tell pollsters they are doing fine but the economy sucks . Are more wealthy people traveling? I don’t think the truly wealthy ever stopped because of the economy. More Americans feel wealthy enough to travel . Creating records at TSA check points. But that is a story the Times will not tell. https://cepr.net/nyt-finds-atypical-low-wage-worker-to-tell-bad-economy-story/
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One element that hasn’t been given much consideration goes back to the 2020 election. Biden wasn’t nominated & elected to be a “champion leading us into the future” as much as the least objectionable person that could get things stabilized. There was a widespread assumption that he would only serve one term, govern without concern for re-election, and set the table for the next generation of younger leaders.
He largely accomplished the first two. Setting the table – not so much. Hence our current dilemma.
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Extremely well observed, Mr. Whitten
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If you look at Democratic voters AFTER an election–the folks who actually came out and voted for a Democrat for President, you will find that they belong to one of two groups: people who would have voted for the Democrat no matter who it was or who he or she was running against and voters who had to be galvanized by the Democratic candidate to come out to vote. Both groups are needed. A Democratic candidate can win if large numbers of people who have a tendency to sit the whole thing out get excited–young people, independents, and, alas, a lot of black people.
My worry is that a truly elderly guy like Joe Biden isn’t going to bring the folks who aren’t blue no matter what out to the polls, and those are needed in order to win, and if we don’t win this time, the unspeakable happens.
But, if Joe stays in, I’m with him because he has a good team and the fallback if he fails, Harris, is superb and the alternative is unthinkable, catastrophic.
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Agreed, Bob.
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