Former President Trump will be sentenced by Judge Juan Marchan on July 11. What should be his punishment for the 34 counts on which the jury found him guilty?
Please offer your idea.
Here are a few suggestions.
My partner—a retired history teacher— thinks he should be required to spend 1,000 hours studying the Constitution, civics, and American history. She thinks the course should be taught by Liz Cheney and Jamie Raskin. Since neither has 500 hours to spare, their teaching could be supplemented by noted scholars and high school teachers. Trump would be tested periodically to measure his progress.
I think he should be sentenced to 1,000 hours of community service, working in facilities that serve the poorest and neediest in society. He might serve meals to the homeless. He might assist in places that care for the most severely disabled children and adults. He could change their diapers, clean up after them, do whatever staff asks him to do to ease their days. Maybe he would learn empathy.
What ideas do you have?
The winner will be announced before the actual sentencing on July 11.
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He should be denied any publicity, any public photo, any mention of his name or replication of his likeness anywhere in the US. That would hurt John Barron more than anything.
Trump doesn’t seem to understand that everything he says or does between now and July 11 may be taken into account by Judge Merchan at his sentencing. Someone ought to tell him.
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I think the idea of community service is a great one. Maybe split it up: 200 hours learning the Constitution/American History. 200 hours working in a public school. 200 hours learning ethics. 200 hours cleaning up after a natural disaster fueled by climate change. 200 hours in an Immigration Center.
He should not be allowed anywhere near children!
Exacto!
I want this guy in prison for violation of the Espionage Act in his handling of classified documents and willful sharing of these with people without security clearances. These scenarios are pretty funny, though. I would also like to see confiscation of his properties in partial restoration of the damage done by his incitement of the attack on the U.S. Capitol and attempt to prevent a lawful proceeding of the government from going forward.
Trump is a cad, a chronic liar, a completely amoral/immoral person. But this case was 100% selective prosecution, and the judge’s egregious misconduct will result in the verdicts being reversed on appeal. Here’s a detailed analysis of the case by a conservative former prosecutor. I preempt this blog’s usual method of responding to dissenting commenters (ad hominem) by noting that Andrew McCarthy supported Trump’s second impeachment after the January 6 riot; he believes that Trump should have been removed and permanently disqualified for any federal office.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/06/in-memory-of-justice/
a appellate court that rejects this case because it is “selective” prosecution? How else could this be, since each prosecution is based on the DA’s perception of whether he can get a conviction or not. This case was unique in that it was felonious because of a run for the presidency.
There is little doubt that a public alerted to this payoff would have sent HRC to the White House. What do we make of this?
It’s obvious that Roy did not read the linked essay or he did not comprehend it in the unlikely chance that he did read something outside the left-wing bubble. McCarthy points out that reporting the payoff/campaign expense – if it had been actually required – did not legally need to be disclosed until AFTER the election. As awful as Trump is – I fully acknowledge that fact – his not disclosing something that he was not required to disclose before the election did not affect the election outcome.
Campaign expenses are things like bumper stickers and facebook ads. Hush money is different. Calling paying someone to keep silent about an impropriety is not something I want my president to do.
If you knew me, you would know that I am literate, considerate, and kind. Your disparaging me suggests you do not share those values.
Roy, you may be a nice person, but like almost all commenters on this blog you rarely if ever access sources of information that don’t confirm the opinions you already have. And almost all commenters here – and Diane Ravitch herself – don’t care if a defendant has not had due process if they dislike that defendant. I’m an old-fashioned civil libertarian, i.e. not what some on the Right and even more on the Left are not.
How did Trump not get due process?
I had hoped you might enlighten me as to what is more selective about this prosecution than any other. My being stuck in a “left wing bubble” needs instruction.
Ben Carter: What you don’t know about the people on this blog could kill a million horses, and then some.
I don’t know everything I’d like to either, but I do know that. CBK
NYS Appellate court will deny his appeal and the highest NYS Court will not choose to review, there are no federal issues, he will refuse to pay his attorneys…
You are correct. It was a selective prosecution. 24 Grand Jurors selected Trump to be indicted because there was ample evidence that he committed crimes. Then, horror of horrors, a Jury of Trump’s peers chosen by the defense and prosecution, like most people in Florida Trump is a native of another state, they determined he was guilty on all counts. 34 for 34 is quite the win streak for the Donald. Biden and his DOJ were no where near the case, in fact they chose not to prosecute. The prosecutor nor the judge declared him guilty. A fair application of the law did that.
Finally, Donald wins a popular vote.
I accessed the link but was able to read only about the first paragraph – I would have had to join the conservative organization that published the article to read it all. I did look for other articles, and one I found based its opinion that the conviction is reversible based this on targeting Michael Cohen as a liar. I find this rich as no one can hold a candle to Donald Trump when it comes to lying. The problem I see in this is that everything Cohen described was corroborated by previous witnesses. Cohen admitted his lies and paid the price – something Trump is incapable of doing.
Don Corley,
The jury didn’t have to believe Cohen’s testimony. The documents were clear. Trump paid $130,000 to silence a woman he had sex with at a time when his wife was tending to their newborn. Trump had Cohen pay the money to avoid the bad publicity in the weeks before the election. Paying her hush money is not a crime. Interfering in the election results is a felony.
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I think he should be required to complete boot camp/basic training as a private in the US Army
Your moment of Zen:
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Trump should provide 1,000 hours of services–in the following ways:
1- Ten weeks (40 hours per week = 400 hours) tending to the needs of disabled soldiers and veterans at their bedsides or while they are undergoing physical therapy.
2- Service at soup kitchens in the Bronx and Brooklyn ( 200 hours) providing meals directly to those in need.
3- Hands-on service to those in homeless shelters (200 hours) throughout NYC.
4- Working alongside and talking with other men and women picking up trash in the parks (200 hours).
Upon completion of each of these assignments–writing 1,000 word essays describing the experiences and what value he took away from them, as well as issuing public service announcements honoring veterans and on behalf of people struggling to get by from day to day.
Trump would have to hire someone to write the essays for him just as, according to Mary Trump, he hired someone to take his SATs. Can you imagine The Idiot taking an SAT? ROFL.
I’m opposed to having Trump do community service. Someone would have to supervise him and he’d be a nightmare. No one should be so afflicted.
He should be required to prepare and teach a semester-long course in Constitutional Law at NYU. Given his dearth of knowledge on that subject, he should be required to meet with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for however many hours they feel are needed to properly inform himself on this topic. And he should also be requires to compose a scholarly paper detailing the experience, which would be published in the NY Times and would allow comments from readers to be posted.
This is like saying that a centipede should be required to write a Calculus textbook. LOL.
Since he’s a disruptive child with with severe learning disabilities, and, perhaps, incorrigible, his confinement should begin with no access to any media, a room with no mirrors and no visitors, piped into his room commentary from people he screwed, disparaged and insulted, with Muslim calls to prayer five times a day … and his current and x-wives should be consulted in assessing punishment.
I would suggest that he face prison since he is unrepentant. My good friend and compatriot thinks he should be exonerated and Biden put in prison. Go figure, he watches Fox News.
I think he should have some jail time – at least 7 months but less than 12 months. Then his release must include community service and Constitution/civics lessons. The community service must include wearing an orange jump suit and walking along the state highways picking up the trash for at least 8 hours a day for 240 hours.
He must also pay all court fees and fines and not be allowed to use any donation money to pay for it. And since being a convicted felon, he can not do any business within the state of New York. His ‘brand’ must be taken off all building within the state as well.
daryl in the cell 7×03 clip the walking dead (youtube.com)
We’re on easy street
And it feels so sweet
‘Cause the world is but a treat
When you’re on easy street
And we’re breakin’ out the good champagne
We’re sittin’ pretty on the gravy train
And when we sing every sweet refrain repeats
Right here on easy street
Since he is a disruptive child and probably incorrigible, no access to any media, no mirrors, no visitors, commentary from people he cheated, lied to and screw should be piped in his confinement and contact with him should be with immigrants.
A nice additional touch in such confinement would be to give him a phone with no service….
or a bull horn with no batteries…
All these but on prison release.
Are you a convicted felon? An adjudged rapist? A career criminal conman and serial predator? An utter moron? Profoundly ignorant? Facing another sixty plus felony charges?
Then there is a place for you atop the Repugnican Party ticket! We at the Greying Old Party are looking for more folks JUST LIKE YOU!
A very funny collection of reactions to the verdict:
https://open.substack.com/pub/statuskuo/p/just-for-xeets-and-giggles-060124?r=rls8&utm_medium=ios
ROFL!!!
favorite: the one with the string
Thanks so much for providing this link, Diane! My favorite is the following video because, except for also shouting “Thank You New Yorkers!” (who know him best,) I responded the very same way, but I live in a community that supports tRump heavily so I didn’t hear any of my neighbors reacting like that. https://x.com/i/status/1796323838164111605
Part of me feels guilty for the schadenfreude, but I think it differs when someone has brought calamity upon themselves, what they did negatively impacted so many innocent people and when justice is finally served (sort of like the convictions of key Nazis in Nuremberg.)
Since he has so little respect for women I think his community service should be in women’s shelters forcing him to see what happens to women who are trafficked, abused, beaten. He should be forced to feed them, find help for them, find them jobs, find them housing, the necessary clothing and training to accomplish these things. At night he should be forced to watch the Billy Bush tapes that caused Billy Bush to lose his career. I could go on and on!
Trump should be nowhere near abused and/or homeless women. Or women period. He is a serial predator.
put an orange vest on him and he could pick up litter in Central Park
I freaking love this one.
I like the ideas mentioned here, but 1000 hours is peanuts –not even two months! At the very minimum, I think tRump should be given a prison sentence for the same amount of time that was given to Michael Cohen for his involvement in this scam on voters, which was 3 years. During that time, in a regular NY prison, his phone/Internet access should be denied so he that he cannot tweet lies to the public or look up flattering, untruthful reports about himself. If he follows all rules & gets parole for good behavior, then he could be required to engage in community service for 1000 hours –but at the very minimum, because I think it would take a lot more time for him to actually learn the important lessons he should get from doing that.
And, like Michael Cohen, who was fined $50,00, tRump should be fined a very significant amount of money for his part in heisting the election.
Also, someone needs to make sure he does not fall asleep or try to change the subject when involved in community service lessons, like those from Cheney & Obama on the Constitution. That’s because I read recently that someone who worked with him in the WH (from his Cabinet, I think?) reported tRump had abruptly complained about being bored by an important discussion about China and then changed the subject…
My math differs on the 1000 hours because I didn’t see the lessons from community service as being just a 40 hour work week. Since prison time is a round the clock punishment for 24 hours a day, on that schedule, 1000 hours would only amount to six weeks. I think he’s really got to have BOTH intensive experiences, plus a large fine, to be able to get anything out of it –especially when you consider that whatever he gets, it’s going to be tempered by special treatment, such as the Secret Service detail for life…
BTW, he could get that 1000 hours of community service in six weeks by being required to live in an actual homeless shelter –which is pure hell, even the nicest ones, because there are sooo many rules that people often feel like they’re being treated like incorrigible adolescents.
Remember how Republicans were ALL IN with regard to the Vietnam War and now all say that it was a bad idea? Remember how the same thing happened with the Second Iraq War?
Well, the same will be true of Trump. They all secretly know that he is a POS. And the time will come when they will all say this openly, aloud.
Mike Johnson, boy Christian, loves him some serial philandering, adulterous Donnie Boy.
The cynicism and hypocrisy know no limits–from the sanctimonious Supine Court to the treacherous republican pols who are willing to spread Trump’s poison. When do we awaken from this nightmare?
When, indeed. Little did I think when I was 16 that we would be in such a place in my age. The young people coming up give me hope, though.
We will all know one day that Joe Biden’s cognitive impairment was serious early in his first term as President. So Bob Shepherd has faith in young people – the same young people who take the side of Hamas, who know almost nothing about history, who are mostly unwilling and often disruptive high school students – as he himself has written here many times.
This is so like Repugnicans–take a few nutso kids and blow them up into a movement. So, for example, a couple of moronic 20-year-olds in Portland who liked to dress up like Neo from the Matrix and break stuff the Repugnicans blew up into some huge movement–Antifa. ROFL. The research done by Pew shows that on every important issue–guns, abortion, religion, race, LGBTQ rights, immigration, and so on–the Repugnicans have lost the young people. They will soon go the way of the Know Nothings, such is so, so appropriate.
And I’ll take the elderly Biden and his incredibly competent administration over the buffoon and traitor and career criminal and sexual predator Trump any day of the week and twice on either Sabbath. ROFL. It’s so tragically hilarious that the fundy Christian Bozos and Bozettes went all Trumpanzee, given that Trump epitomizes everything that is not Christlike, including, emphatically, all seven deadly sins.
Trump, who worships only Trump. And the money that he bilks his faithful for. This is the greatest con he’s come up with in a lifetime of conning people. Much bigger than his fake universities and fake charities.
Remember the Kurds, who helped us defeat ISIS? Tell them how cognitively together Donnie, the Idiot, is, after most of them–our allies–were SLAUGHTERED because Donnie decided, in the middle of the night, unilaterally, to pull out of Northern Syria and leave it to Assad and the Russians. Tell THEM what a great guy he is. The move was so egregious that his brilliant and capable SECDEF, James Mattis, resigned over it. And he did this over the objections of every member of his own Joint Chiefs. The guy is a buffoon, and he is Putin’s dog. It is shameful that you support him. The Biden administration doesn’t pull shit like this. But Donnie did again and again and again. He’s an idiot, and a traitor, and it is shameful to support him.
Why would Glorious Leader Who Shines More Orange Than Does the Sun do such a terrible thing? Well, that’s easy. It’s what his handler, Putin, wanted. Traitor. Donald Trump is a traitor to his country.
I am fully aware of Trump’s faults, and I hope he never becomes President again. But you have written numerous times about how awful your high school students were in the last phase of your teaching career, but you now lionize that generation as the moral superiors for the rest of us. Absurd.
I have NOT, EMPHATICALLY NOT, written about how “awful” my high-school students were. I have written numerous times that high-school kids are still children, even if they think of themselves as adults, and that they are extremely emotionally fragile and VOLATILE. I have written that a high-school kid’s will is the wind’s will, that they are capricious and can turn on a dime. I have also written that the parts of their brains that do planning and control–that exercise an editorial function over their actions–are not fully in place yet. NONE OF THAT is saying that they are “awful.” It’s saying that they are going through adolescence, which is what it is.
This is not “lionizing” that generation, either. I am simply reporting the facts. Pew does this research, and it shows that people under 20 are on the opposite side from the Republicans on every issue. Every one. Often by substantial majorities. And here’s the thing: there is a LOT of political science research that shows that people’s political leanings tend to be stable over the life cycle. In other words, there is a tidal wave coming that is going to wash Repugnicanism away. This will be cleansing, to be sure.
“I am fully aware of Trump’s faults, and I hope he never becomes President again.”
So, you are supporting Biden in the upcoming election?
High-school kids are emotionally labile and volatile. And they lack grown-up editors of their behavior. This doesn’t make them “awful” except in the root sense, in that this pupating that they go through inspires awe. It doesn’t make them awful; it makes them still children, whatever anyone might think to the contrary.
Betsy Kinney: With regard to your comments to Bob:
Look up “nuance” on dictionary.com, and then make two columns on a sheet of paper. Label one column “Good” and the other column “Bad.” Then start writing. Then look up “absolutist.” It’s a start. CBK
This is slightly off topic, but I think people should see what is being promoted on the internet.
In my opinion the orange monkey should already be in prison.
Trump convicted: Sham trial sparks massive public support
Something huge just happened: Dems convicted Trump of 34 ginned-up “felonies” in a sham trial run by a corrupt judge. This just unleashed a massive wave of support for Trump, even among those who don’t like him.
People are now saying everywhere how they’re going to vote against the corrupt Dems and put Trump in power just in the hopes that he can dismantle the corrupt establishment…
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Just remember, social media is not a scientific poll. Actual participants on twitter are down and Truth social is simply perused by the Trump crime syndicate. It amazes me how readily the media accepts the Trump Campaign’s claim of raising 50 million after every single claim of crowd sizes has been debunked. Once the bloviating has run out of steam, the panic of traditional Republicans will become loud and clear.
Carolmalaysia: Someone on one of the talk shows said this rather pithy statement (paraphrased):
Trump’s trial was extremely unfair . . . and Trump was not treated with equal justice by any means. He received every advantage and much more than anyone who came to trial before him. CBK
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1. Miss Demeanor
2. Ivana Sparkle
3. Miss Fortune
4. Cheeto DeVine
5. Miss Appropriation
6. Tangerina Glamorphous
7. Miss Take
8. Miss Trial
9. Miss Ogynist
10. Cray-Cray Zee Moist
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11. Anita S. Cape
12. Mara Lardo
13. Goldie Showers
14. Bianka Rupt
15. Ima-Raye Cyst
Thanks for the laugh!
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He shits in his pants and the stench is hell;
His cronies in Congress can’t stand the smell.
But they all describe it as Chanel.
Exactly
BTW, rumors are that exactly this happens regularly. It’s one of the reasons for his reputed terrible smell.
I’ll play. Let him drink bleach. I hear that works.
In all seriousness, though, these cases are more publicly sensitive than the Rosenbergs. His sentencing must take into account his age and the insanity he should have plead. He should merely be made to pay a small fine for this one, and the president should magnanimously pardon him immediately thereafter. It’s not a conspiracy, after all. No Jewish space lasers to see here. The United States government’s judicial system and its executive branch are each much bigger than Donald J Trump. Have faith.
The bleach is supposed to be injected, “kinda like a cleaning.” ROFL.
Rolling on the floor after writing plead instead of pleaded.
I do the same kind of thing all the time. How I wish WP had an edit feature for comments, as on the iPhone.
Leftcoast: Do you really think Trump wouldn’t find a way to turn even THAT around to his MAGA perceived benefit? CBK
The most disgusting thing about Trump’s trials is that in the most serious one–the one that deals with the fact that Trump violated the Espionage Act multiple times–Trump has a hack partisan judge who is slow walking the whole thing in a blatant attempt to just make it go away. This is revolting, and she is not fit to be on the bench.
Bob: Even SHE is will have to do better to compete with those on the biggest court in the land in the race for the title: “Best In Show: Moral Degradation.” CBK
I think, like the writer Hamilton Nolan, that he should be treated just like the averaged (not upper class) person convicted of a felony, no better. Perhaps, as Nolan also suggests, he should be incarcerated in the nearby privately run prison near Mar a Lago in FL, where, I assume, most of the prisoners are poor and not white. Probably a real hell-hole. However, my prediction is that he will “never pay a dime and never do the time”, except for his lawyer’s fees, of course.
Yes. Trump is subject to the “Just Us” system, not to the Justice system that the rest of us are subject to.
Along with the hours of community service, since he understands the country and our Constitution so little, he should be forced to take some basic high school courses in Civics, US History and the Constitution with a final paper and final exam for each one.
Trump is no more capable of taking a high-school course and writing a paper than I am of controlling the lightning in the sky.
Bob: You can’t control lightening in the sky . . . . ? CBK
In my years as a teacher, I had a few students who were cognitively challenged, but none as much so as Donald Trump is. The man can barely read. He is PROFOUNDLY ignorant about almost everything. I doubt that he has read a book in his entire adult life (or in his childhood, for that matter).
I admit I would not enjoy having him as a student – the challenge would be far, far beyond my abilities to teach just about everyone. I do agree about his complete ignorance and his apparent enjoyment of it. My suggestion was more along the lines of “pie in the sky”.
How about 1,000 hours dealing with a course on the Constitution taught by attorney’s from BOTH sides of the aisle especially Alan Dreshowitz?
Dre show it z and Donnie could reminisce about the great times at Epstein’s.
Trump Talked About What Having Sex With Ivanka Might Be Like, Ex-Staffer Claims (yahoo.com)
Bob,
Isn’t that called satyriasis?
Indeed. He is, as Kelly said, a very sick man.
Bob,
I don’t know if you heard it but Trump has been telling anyone who listens that he wanted to testify and the judge wouldn’t let him.
The judge urged him to testify.
His pants must be on fire.
If Trump’s maw is open, he is either inhaling junk food or lying or both. The guy is literally a pathological liar. He cannot speak about any subject without lying about it. He’s not well psychologically. He is twisted and sick and dangerous. He should be in an institution for the criminally insane.
I think Cadet Bone Spurs Traitor Trump should spend, however long it takes in what’s known as the “fat boys platoon” at MCRD San Diego, California or Parris Island South Carolina.
When recruits in Marine Corps boot camp are so weak they can’t do what most recruits do while training in boot camp for 13 weeks, they are assigned to the “fat boys platoon”, where all they do is exercise about 16 hours a day, sweating buckets, until they past the fitness test that shows they are ready to return to regular boot camp training and drills.
The Marine Corps would probably assign the meanest E8, 30-year combat vet lifer, who fears nothing and no one, someone who eats rattlesnakes for snacks, who is also a never Trump Marine, to be in charge of his get fit training.
There was one recruit in my boot camp platoon who couldn’t even climb the knotted rope who was sent there. It took him an entire year to finally pass the fitness test before he was transferred to a regular recruit platoon and finally finished boot camp.
When I was on my way home from Vietnam, I ran into him as he was arriving and getting off the same passenger jet that was going to fly the group I was with home. We talked.
That’s all, just the fat boys platoon until Cadet Bone Supports can pass that strength test. Then he can return to the media spotlight, back to spreading hate and lies.
This is a wonderful idea! How does one protest his having to learn about the government he wants to lead.
Is there a Trappist monastery on St Helena?
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Anything that would shut him TF up.
GITMO! He could hold a rally for himself.
I can just hear him telling the other detainees, “Nobody has done more for jihadists than Trump.”
It’s hard for me to say, really.
We’ve all been punished for so long now, and things keep getting WORSE. I mean, I thought Ronald Reagan was bad 40 years ago. And, in 2004 I hit the steep streets of the old mining city of Scranton, PA, canvassing last minute for John Kerry. (The thought of another 4 years of George W. was just too much to bear.)
What kind of 21st century “Reconstruction” era will undo the damage that’s been inflicted on our nation? Will I even still be walking this planet when the destruction is somehow undone?
A leader (or leaders) can be punished. But what about the sea of fellow citizens around us who are all in on this MAGA madness? Still!
Our country went seriously off the rails decades ago. I couldn’t sleep the other night and was catching up on a pile of New Yorkers next to my bed. There was a brilliant and deeply disturbing article about the pollution of “forever chemicals” and the genesis of how these endless toxins came to be deeply embedded inside all of our bodies. (I’ll try to post the link below.) As far back as the 1970s the 3M corporation knew just how bad this chemical disaster would be.
Yet, corporations have gotten a pass year after year while our government, our public schools….us (!) get the blame. My God, that’s one hell of a bait and switch.
Trump, like other famous demagogues in history, will eventually pass away. But the poison he’s left behind will live on. He tapped a deep and dangerous vein and it ain’t going away.
Maybe a future “truth commission” of some sort could start the healing?
Sorry, to be a party pooper, folks. Guess I’ll head for my porch, a cold beer and the first evening of June.
Let’s hope for better times…for all of us.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/05/27/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-toxic
It could take until 2026 for a decision to be made by the appellate court.
Justice delayed. Justice denied.
Just Us served.
Yes, but unlike with the civil lawsuits, he’s considered to be a convicted criminal now, so that doesn’t mean he can spend his time just waiting out a decision on the appeal and doing whatever the hell he wants. I read that he’ll have to start serving whatever sentence he gets on July 11th shortly there after, as will be stipulated then by the judge.
All I have heard is that now, as a convicted felon, he cannot legally own or possess a gun. How I wish that the judge would at least give him some token prison time. And having him do community service in the form of wearing an orange suit and picking up trash on the side of the road would be a superb reminder that we are a nation of laws.
But we aren’t, are we? If you are poor and black and are selling single cigarettes on a street corner or poor and black and twelve years old and playing with a toy water pistol, then the police will show up to administer capital punishment to you then and there. If you are a Bubba or Bubbette who heeded Trump’s call to storm the Capitol, you go to prison. If you are Epstein, you get supervised release for six months. If you are Trump, you get endless appeals, it seems, and judges you appointed who will do everything they can to ensure that your case doesn’t go to trial. The Just Us System.
I really, really, really hold that the judge has enough spine to give him an actually onerous sentence. But I also really, really, really hoped that Muller would have the spine to recommend that the DOJ bring charges against this career con man and traitor and seditionist and sexual predator.
I agree completely, Bob. I really want to see a bold, dedicated judge give him jail time because his entire life, he’s had all the advantages that regular people rarely, if ever, get and without severe consequences for 34 guilty verdicts, I don’t think that he (and his undereducated cult) will learn a thing about what equal justice under the law truly is. Otherwise, he’ll have no reason to even attempt to change his ways.
Unless he’s treated by the courts like he’s really no more deserving of special treatment than the rest of us, he’ll just keep trying to pull off the same kinds of egregious behaviors, over and over again, which by now he probably sees as being reserved for just him.
Since he already said what’s in store for America if he ever gets into office again (G-d forbid), clearly there is way too much at stake now. The fate of our country is riding on him rerceiving appropriate consequences for his treasonous actions, such as election interference, as well as a multitude of other failures to adhere to, uphold and support the Constitution.
I think this case is especially important because it might be the only relevant litigation to get through our court system before people vote in November, and since it’s a state case, if still elected, he could not pardon himself, so he will remain a convicted felon for life. This should not be just in name only. The ramifications of it really matter, such as his not being allowed to enter 37 foreign countries as a felon now: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-s-felony-conviction-now-means-he-s-banned-from-a-host-of-countries-including-canada-and-uk/ar-BB1npLIq
From your mouth to G-d’s ears!
I like your partner’s suggestion. It builds off of the crimes he’s committed. He shows no regard whatsoever for the rule of law and structure of our society. Whether this is due to a lack of education in these areas, a general sense of disdain for the principles, or a mix of both is inconsequential. The punishment fits the crime.
While I think the idea of having Raskin and Cheney involved is both funny and somewhat fitting; I think it unwise. It adds an element of politics which would rightly be construed as partisan. There’s a faction of the Republican base that understands and respects the verdict. Let’s not push it. He broke the law. Yes: others have broken it. But he got caught. End of story.
”I think tRump should be given a prison sentence for the same amount of time that was given to Michael Cohen for his involvement in this scam on voters, which was 3 years. During that time, in a regular NY prison, his phone/Internet access should be denied so he that he cannot tweet lies to the public or look up flattering, untruthful reports about himself.”
Honestly; this, in my mind makes sense. Why should Cohen have been made to suffer the consequences more than the person who was directing his actions?
”Nobody is above the law”. If this is true; then put some teeth to it.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
When Nixon was pardoned it had been over 100 years since the first and only attempt at Andrew Johnson’s impeachment. I figured this was a one off. Since that time two Presidents, Reagan and Bush, were in the room to approve a scheme to ignore Congressional statute while claiming they were not giving arms for hostages. The second president, H.W., pardoned all of the convicted and indicted criminals involved with the plot to stop the DOJ from getting access to his diaries that later confirmed his involvement. A third, albeit questionable, impeachment followed with the next president. And his successor, “W” does not travel abroad for fear of being arrested as a war criminal who started a war on false pretenses then approved torture, enhanced interrogation is not a thing. This has all happened in my life time. Perhaps the American people should look closely at the leaders we have chosen and why we choose them. Those who would dismiss this as conspiracy theory should simply look at the significant credible historical writing on all of these events. The US is in trouble because too many of us ignore the importance of giving good people power over the lure of charisma. Part of Biden’s current struggle comes from a perspective that he simply is not compelling enough (This is why he was rejected previously as a serious presidential candidate). I hope this fever breaks, but I’m not so certain it will.
There is no way to rid the country of blatant stupidity.
Trump verdict supercharges Republicans
06/02/24
Former President Trump’s guilty verdict in his New York City hush money trial is supercharging Republican enthusiasm, as his base rallies around him in the aftermath of Thursday’s historic verdict.
Trump’s political allies came out in force over the airwaves and social media, while grassroots supporters pulled out their pocketbooks. The GOP fundraising website WinRed even appeared to crash following the verdict…
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4697344-trump-verdict-republican-enthusiasm/
”The US is in trouble because too many of us ignore the importance of giving good people power over the lure of charisma”
The Apprentice made DJT famous. Many in our country are celebrity and entertainment obsessed. He not only can do no wrong; but rather can make others do the wrong for him.
And his successor, “W” does not travel abroad for fear of being arrested as a war criminal who started a war on false pretenses then approved torture, enhanced interrogation is not a thing. This has all happened in my life time. Perhap
Thank you for pointing that out. People forget. The families of the dead in Iraq as a result of Shrub’s illegal war don’t have that luxury. Shrub, the second most stupid person ever to sit in the Oval Office, paints his godawful sentimental pictures (His painting is up there with his statesmanship) and goes free. Our Just Us system at work. And ofc he paid no penalty for going AWOL from the limited service that Daddy arranged for him. He and Cadet Bone Spurs. Quite the pair.
100,000 dead because of him. But hey, you could sit and have a beer with him!
Right. You would not get within a mile of him and his exclusive country club brethren.
Trump’s Anthem
JAIL TO THE THIEF
I will never again be able to listen to a band play that tune without thinking of your wonderful alternative lyric!
Riddle Me This
Riddle me, riddle me, riddle me this . . .
Who am I?
I am. . . .
From New York
In the construction/building trades
I. . . .
Launder money for mobsters
Evade taxes
Do lots and lots and lots of big cash deals
Brag constantly about my wealth and my genius
Have the “best” of everything
Keep my tax returns and sources of income very, very secret
Have a violent temper
Have a thing for junk food
Demand loyalty oaths from subordinates, and if they
don’t deliver, get rid of them
Thrive on obsequiousness from those around me
Am constantly paranoid about betrayal
Constantly ridicule others
Constantly make up belittling nicknames and think that this is extraordinarily funny
Gesticulate a lot
Have two expressions: 1. utter rage and 2. smirk
Am casually and profoundly racist
Am extraordinarily narcissistic
Have a comb-over
Wear expensive, dapper suits
Am a serial abuser of women
Mangle the language
Am a bloviating blowhard
Cannot utter a sustained, coherent thought
Conduct business out of my “club”
Constantly complain about “fake news”
Am surrounded by dirty lawyers
Am subject to lots of investigations that don’t stick
Brag about how they will never catch up to me
Figured it out yet?
Gotti. John Gotti.
and Donald Trump
Yeah, I don’t know that there is any evidence that Gotti buried his ex wife in the rough on his golf course.
Yeah, the Dapper Dons also wore tent-sized coats purchased at the Fat Men’s Shop.
Can’t wait to find out how much Trump weighs when he’s processed.
My guess is north of 260 pounds–even if they let him take his make-up off.
Diane: Trump is as pure a poison as there ever was . . . as long as he is awake and interacting with–able to manipulate–others, even the people and situations you suggest. You cannot make a rotten apple fresh by putting it with fresh fruit. CBK
After seeing this I gave it great thought: First, Donald J. Trump is hereby sentenced to no longer be allowed to ride a golf cart and must carry his clubs whether he plays nine or eighteen holes at any course in America. Second, he is required to serve as a caddy for any player of color at any of his golf courses. Finally, he can no longer take a limo to his golf course in Palm Beach and must drive a Chevy Bolt.
Be placed in solitary confinement in a mirror house room for a total of 34 months. Bread, water and vegetables on the menu.
Whatever you do to the least of MINDS…Too many to ignore have noticed the signs of mental illness, related to behaviors. A full screening might reveal mental illness. The “punishment” for sick behavior could follow.
“You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; For whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
From everything I’ve read or seen on Donald Trump, I don’t believe there’s any chance that he will ever develop empathy. He is one of the most malignantly narcissistic people on this earth. I think he needs to spend time in a prison cell. If he continues to be belligerent and inflammatory, I hope the judge makes him spend a considerable time there. He is not above the law.
He should be required to clean up New York and pick up trash on the side of the road and make it great again. He should feed the poor and homeless. He should be required to learn another language.