Essayist Joseph Epstein wrote an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal insisting that Dr. Jill Biden should stop calling herself “Dr.” He objected to the use of the term “Dr.” for anyone who is not an M.D.
His essay set off a furor in the media. The topic “trended” on Twitter (meaning it was one of the most widely cited of the day), and it was written up in major newspapers.
Epstein wrote:
Madame First Lady—Mrs. Biden—Jill—kiddo: a bit of advice on what may seem like a small but I think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance you might drop the “Dr.” before your name? “Dr. Jill Biden” sounds and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. Your degree is, I believe, an Ed.D., a doctor of education, earned at the University of Delaware through a dissertation with the unpromising title “Student Retention at the Community College Level: Meeting Students’ Needs.” A wise man once said that no one should call himself “Dr.” unless he has delivered a child. Think about it, Dr. Jill, and forthwith drop the doc.
I taught at Northwestern University for 30 years without a doctorate or any advanced degree. I have only a B.A. in absentia from the University of Chicago—in absentia because I took my final examination on a pool table at Headquarters Company, Fort Hood, Texas, while serving in the peacetime Army in the late 1950s. I do have an honorary doctorate, though I have to report that the president of the school that awarded it was fired the year after I received it, not, I hope, for allowing my honorary doctorate. During my years as a university teacher I was sometimes addressed, usually on the phone, as “Dr. Epstein.” On such occasions it was all I could do not to reply, “Read two chapters of Henry James and get into bed. I’ll be right over.”
I was also often addressed as Dr. during the years I was editor of the American Scholar, the quarterly magazine of Phi Beta Kappa. Let me quickly insert that I am also not a member of Phi Beta Kappa, except by marriage. Many of those who so addressed me, I noted, were scientists. I also received a fair amount of correspondence from people who appended the initials Ph.D. to their names atop their letterheads, and have twice seen PHD on vanity license plates, which struck me as pathetic. In contemporary universities, in the social sciences and humanities, calling oneself Dr. is thought bush league.
Many years ago–back in the early 1960s–I worked alongside Joseph Epstein at a small magazine called The New Leader. He had a wicked sense of humor and was fast with a snappy wisecrack. Over the years, we lost touch, but I still remember the fun we had writing jazzy headlines for dull articles (“Five Minutes to Midnight in _____” [insert name of country].
I disagree with his putdown of Jill Biden. If people have earned a doctorate, they can call themselves Dr. What’s the point of working for years to earn a doctorate if you can’t use the title? As for his reference to her dissertation topic, I feel certain that he never read it and cannot judge whether it was or was not valuable. His words show how little he thinks of community colleges and their students and faculty.
Dr. Biden is not a good target for ridicule. She is a woman who radiates integrity, empathy, and intelligence. She has earned the right to call herself Dr. Biden.
The best comment I have seen on this flap appeared on Fred Klonsky’s blog, quoting Glen Brown. The gist: 70% of instructors in higher education are adjuncts, not paid a living wage. That’s a true scandal.
To be precise, they are all Doctors, and to be precise, medical doctors are Physicians. That is their correct designation. ________________________________
I don’t think anyone should be called the First Lady. That title belongs to Eve.
And certainly not Jill Biden. She’s Joe’s second wife.
Touche x 2.
I am so witing for the day when we have a First Gentleman.
Oh yes!
I’m glad you’re “witing with me, Bob. Argh! cx: waiting
I’m horrified by how often I make such mistakes! It gives me comfort that others do, too. LOL.
You are a sick man! Joe’s first wife died and Jill stepped in to be the mother to his children. She is highly respected and much more intelligent than you are.
Eve’s title is “Imaginary Lady”.
Jill stepped in after leaving her devoted husband who was Joe’s friend behind. Joe smashed up Jill’s husbands corvette while driving then stole the mans wife. Jill Biden is not a role model for women.
I guess Jill’s “devoted” 1st husband suffers from the same problem as Trump; both are sore losers and both cannot get over losing to Biden.
That personal comment sucks.
I believe those “facts” are disputed.
Seems like all the education deformers are running for the dark corners like cock roaches do when the lights come on. There are a few brave cock roaches who will linger to taunt and to taint the food in the cupboard, but they eventually die a disinfectant death. Time to get out the RAID and exterminate the whole disgusting lot of them. They have been allowed to run free and forage for far too long. All of these articles on education the past few weeks are a desperate attempt to stomp out teachers unions and put a stake through the heart of public education. Dr. Jill Biden has the ability to shine a very bright spotlight on all that has been done to decimate public education and divert the funds. “They” are taunting because they know their end is likely near.
I generally find it annoying and embarrassing whenever I see people encouraging others to address them by an honorific, whether it be “Dr.,” “Lord,” “the Honorable,” or anything else.
Exceptions including but not limited to: my own personal medical physicians, Julius “Dr. J” Erving, and the late Mac “Dr. John” Rebennack.
There’s Queen Elizabeth II, referred to as Your Majesty. 🙂
I wonder if Dr. Brown’s dissertation was a treatise about Cream Soda or the more obscure Cel-Ray.
And can anyone tell me in what subject did Professor Irwin Corey earn his degree.
I forgot about Dr. Pepper.
Jealous
I feel the same qbout “Sir” Michael Barber of McKinsey and Pearson, author of “Deliverology.”
I agree about the performance artist “Sir” Michael Barber of McKinsey and Pearson, author of “Deliverology.” The AERA statement is online, supporting Dr. Biden. They wasted no time.
I normally don’t get infuriated, but I am infuriated this time! Higher education is a very raw nerve for me.
The usual bit of American culture putting down intellectualism and higher learning. As Spiro Agnew once said, “We DON’T need a nation of intellectuals!” No wonder America is where it is, in part.
Keep the title, Dr. Biden. You earned it through hard work and disciplined study, and you, your students, and society are the better for it! No, I’m not crazy about your husband, but my politics have nothing to do with your educational status, which is admirable. I’d offer the same respect to any GOP member with significant higher educational status as well.
My grandparents and parents settled their lives here so that their descendants would have a better life through education. They worked hard so that their children would have a better everything as an upcoming new generation. My grandparents would not have been able to complete their public school education in Sicily as Mussolini closed many schools in order to seize the tax revenues and funnel them into the military to support the evil German axis. Mussolini deprived hundreds of thousands of Italians of an education, and in the end, he was dragged to death and got what he deserved! Fascism did not win out. You could not recognize his face literally from the death photos. What a bastard!
Nonetheless, my parents, in spite of their own issues, emphasized education to us kids since we were born, and they were not kidding. They wanted us to have the education they were never able to achieve for various reasons, most legitimate, some not so much.
I am not at all saying that success should not be found without college education, because college is not for everyone; it has become inaccessible financially, an elitist move that is destructive and that should be outlawed by providing universal higher education paid for with fair taxation.
But let’s not EVER downplay the value and virtues of being educated . . . Unless you want to transform the United States into a banana republic.
It is and will remain DOCTOR Jill Biden . . .
Also, I can never hear any discussion of this issue without thinking of the Maestro from Seinfeld.
Good ones Professor Fletp. To Drs J and John, I would add Hackenbush.
Great episode. ha!
True! I LOVED that one, especially because it was played by the Animal House Niedermeier actor. (Remember him? “Killed by his own troops in Viet Nam!:)
Funny, that occurred to me out of the blue a few months ago. “Wait, is the Maestro the ‘Pledge Pin!’ guy from Animal House?”
Somehow Joseph Epstein reminds me of this guy —
It doesn’t take a Viennese coke freak to discern that Mr. Joseph Epstein is rueful about not have earned a doctorate degree. Shame on the WSJ for indulging him in this public projection of his private shame.
Excellent point Swami Rosenthal.
Dr. Wenothis also concurs with your astute diagnosis.
Thank you, Fred. Best regards to Dr. Wenothis. I use his work literally all the time. Must be why I never do any of my own.
Thanks to everyone for not pointing out that “doctorate degree” is somewhere between inartful and incorrect. Dr. P. Dan Tick pointed out that I should have written either “doctorate” or “doctoral degree.”
Dr. P Dan Tick! lol!
PhDesire
Doctor envy
PhDesire:
“Please, do send me
Doc attire”
Bingo.
I can’t decide if it’s sad or funny watching the liberals dance in unison on cue to any and all right-wing provocation. OMG! Some random right-wing nutcase no one has ever heard of said Jill Biden shouldn’t be called doctor! Let’s all forget that there’s a pandemic and 40 million people facing eviction in winter and food bank lines stretching for miles so that we can focus on the real outrage!
Yes, yes, it takes a lot of work to get a Ph.D. and people should be recognized. But it also takes a lot of work to slave for Amazon 10 hours a day with 20 minutes for lunch and 2 minute bathroom breaks twice a day (and a half hour unpaid wait in the security line). What recognition do those people get?
This is a preview of what the post-Trump, post-pandemic news cycle will look like.
It must be a real struggle for you buy a bunch of bananas without thinking of the underpaid workers who harvest them. Or how about watching a game of kids’ soccer without thinking of the “neighborhood” games with balls made out of rags in a refugee camp? How do you managed to deal with all that angst?
Or the poor dinosaurs who died valiantly to provide us with oil!
Your point is well taken. I, for one, am prone to attend to distractions such as Epstein’s bilge.
I agree. 🙂
random right-wing nutcase no one has ever heard of
Joseph Epstein? You have to be kidding, right? He is a quite famous public intellectual.
Can we assume his fame put him in the WSJ? I bet VC Royster, former editor of that newspaper in a more formal time, would never have let it pass muster.
The editor of the WSJ vigorously defends the piece and says the critics are engaged in “cancel culture.”
You are right, Bob.
Joseph Epstein is a widely published public public intellectual. He was the editor of The American Scholar for many years, in its glory days.
And glorious it was. That publication was a great read!
I can’t decide if its sad or funny that YOU can’t see what Epstein and the other deformers are trying to do. Dr. Jill Biden has enormous influence in who will become the next Sec of Ed. This isn’t really about her degree….it’s about a desperate attempt to keep degrading teachers (most women!), demonizing unions and the continual bleeding of public education funds. It’s about maintaining greed and power of the rich by sucking dry public education. This “blip” will be gone by the end of the day and the Repugnicans will attack another democratic institution by weeks end….it’s their way. The only thing the Liberals are doing is pointing out the lies, desperation and hypocrisy…..Fact Checking for the masses who will listen.
You used to have valid points in discussion, but it seems that lately, you have gone to provocation as a form of entertainment. It’s really sad to see you do this. Maybe you are experiencing a mental Covid fatigue?
Thank you for this reply. It is incomprehensible to me why this person would make these posts, and I wonder if the account of a true progressive has been hacked and these are from a right wing troll.
I think a true progressive might have written something like this:
“I can’t decide if it’s sad or funny watching this temper-tantrum throwing right winger so provoked that Jill Biden is referred to as “Dr.” Let’s all forget that there’s a pandemic and 40 million people facing eviction in winter and food bank lines stretching for miles so that we can focus on the real outrage of Jill Biden being called “Dr.”.
Yes, yes, it takes a lot of work to get a medical degree and a medical doctor is not the same as a doctor of philosophy. But it also takes a lot of work to slave for Amazon 10 hours a day with 20 minutes for lunch and 2 minute bathroom breaks twice a day (and a half hour unpaid wait in the security line). What recognition do those people get?”
I can understand why this poster isn’t triggered when she reads offensive, WSJ op eds by right wingers. But since those offensive WSJ op eds don’t trigger her, why is she so powerfully triggered when someone criticizes an offensive WSJ op ed?
It makes no sense. I get that offensive or sexist or racist or xenophobic attacks on a woman by a rabid right wing Trump supporter might not trigger someone, but it is really weird that what triggers them so powerfully is that someone else criticizes those offensive or sexist or racist or xenophobic attacks!
Who is triggered only by criticism of offensive sexist op eds instead of the offensive sexist op ed itself?
I so often disagree with folks here that it is refreshing to read something that makes sense. I have often been annoyed at the constant reference as Dr. for Jill Biden. I have know many highly educated individuals who only referenced such degrees after their names and then reluctantly or modestly. She is certainly no better than the majority.
“…it is refreshing to read something that makes sense. I have often been annoyed at the constant reference as Dr. for Jill Biden.”
But you just said you thought it was refreshing to read something that makes sense, so your annoyance at the reference to Dr. is wrong because you should be annoyed — in fact you should be outraged — about the Amazon workers who work 10 hours a day with 20 minutes for lunch and 2 minute bathroom breaks twice a day. And you should be annoyed — in fact you should be outraged — about the fact that there is a pandemic and 40 million people facing eviction in winter and food bank lines stretching for miles because of President Trump’s mismanagement.
Are you outraged at that, or just at the use of “Dr.”?
By denigrating PhDs and by keeping people at a non-living wage at Amazon, it further holds down Amazon workers – and most people – from traveling the path towards a PhD, and THAT is exactly what the ruling class wants. Dots connected . . . .
I respect Dr. Biden’s title, but greater media coverage should focus on labor rights and distribution of wealth as Jeff Bezos makes his workers bend down so that he can relieve himself every day with every dollar he makes. He’s a monster. Putting Biden down for her title but exalting Bezos and enabling him is exactly how the ruling class has oriented itself towards. Not too shabby . . .
For centuries, the original “Doctors of Philosophy” (PhD) was only applied to university scholars in the classic liberal arts and sciences. They alone carried the title of Dr. Using Dr. for medical doctors is a relatively modern phenomena initiated by the medical profession in the 1800’s. When medical doctors decided they wanted the prestige associated with physician, they appropriated the title for themselves.
Mr Epstein and the WSJ have shown their ignorance about PhDs in a clumsy attempt to denigrate professional educators (mostly women) and set-up Jill Biden for right wing ridicule.
Interesting, so actually it’s the medical doctors are the ones who misuse the title!
Adam Grant, of ‘Give and Take’ fame, really surprised me with an out-of-character, but apt, searing attack on this op-ed: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/yes-women-doctorates-should-called-dr-adam-grant/
Grant’s piece made me LOL!
Wonderful rebuttal!
The topic “trended” on Twitter”
Ha ha ha .
What a surprise.
I’m agnostic to the question generally, but I am pretty sure that no one who takes Twitter seriously should be address as Doctor
Dr. Twitter
Doctor Twitter and his potion
Sells elixir, magic potion
Urges you to buy his stuff
Couched in hype and other fluff
Doctor Twitter (2)
Twending on Twitter
With vacuous glitter
And snake-oil and spin
The “Doctor” is in
I used to call my Principal “Doc ______,” which struck the right note, I think, whimsical, but respectful.
Epstein is of what is considered to be the neoconservative school of thought. While he is an excellent writer, he overtly and sometimes surreptitiously bashes anything he considers to be leftist. Despite the fact he works in higher education, like so many conservatives, he can also be anti-intellectual and a smug sexist. In his view Dr. Jill Biden, now in the spotlight, is fair game for his criticism.
If the Wall Street Journal has had any pieces that included Dr. Henry Kissinger, then they are not being consistent. I’m assuming that Henry Kissinger never got an M.D. My memory is that many media sources referred to him as Dr. Henry Kissinger.
While we are on the subject of Kissinger,” Doctor” Strangelove was not an MD either.
But he was a nut, but I don’t think that is generally what people mean by Doctor.
🙂
“Doctor” Henry Kissinger : “Power is the great aphrodisiac”
Exactly right!
Dr. Kissinger never delivered a baby.
Joseph Epstein: “no one should call himself Dr. unless he has delivered a child.”
Monica Hesse in the Washington Post: “If he wants to get technical about it, Biden did deliver a child, out of her own uterus.”
One of the Washington Post columnists noted that the Trump administration frequently refers to its Trade Advisor “Dr. Peter Navarro,” who has never delivered a baby. The WSJ never ridiculed Dr. Navarro!
Yes, Joseph Epstein has a lot of chutzpah. Clearly he never cared about white Republican men using the title “Dr.” but when he saw a chance to attack a relative of Biden, it triggered him.
Funny, the WSJ posted a link on Twitter to its editorial guidelines.
“In the newsroom, the @WSJ refers to those with doctoral degrees using the honorific “Dr.” if the person so desires.
Here’s our newsroom style-guide on the matter.
on.wsj.com/37gHiy9
This newsroom rule applies to PhDs and others, such as EdDs, for example.”
So the WSJ has no problem using Dr. for any field. Why the hypocrisy?
To belittle the soon-to-be First Lady.
Kissinger delivered bombs TO babies.
“Doctor” Kissinger, I presume?
Henry is a lobstetrician
Delivers babies bombs
Lobbing bombs is his position
With keenness and aplomb
“Doctor” Kissinger (take 2)
Henry is a lobstetrician
Delivers babies bombs
Lobbing bombs from safe position
With keenness and aplomb
That’s a good one re Dr Kissinger the lobstetrician.
I had a high school teacher who used to say that Kissinger’s thesis on Klemens von Metternich was all wrong. He never told us whether it was a doctoral or a master’s thesis.
A country that has gone as far as ours has down the road toward idiocracy (46.9 percent of the electorate voted for Trump in 2020) could do a lot worse than using the appellation “Dr.” to show respect for learning and the learned.
We love you, Dr. Jill!
Oh, and btw, we love you, Dr. Ravitch, as well!!!
I’m envious that you knew Joseph Epstein!!! When I was a lad, I was an avid reader of The American Scholar and LOVED reading him.
Of course, learning is a lifetime undertaking (or, has become all too obvious to me, a multi-lifetime undertaking), and someone who has assiduously applied herself to learning, throughout a life–someone like, say, our own Dr. Ravitch, will leave a lot of newly minted Ph.D.’s in the dust when it comes to learning!
And, btw, student retention in community college is an enormous and pressing problem!!! Much praise to Dr. Jill for tackling it!
I wonder if Dr. Brown’s dissertation was a treatise about Cream Soda or the more obscure Cel-Ray.
And can anyone tell me in what subject did Professor Irwin Corey earn his degree.
Regrettably, I have been following this story and, up to now, have been able to resist commenting on it. But in this forum, well, please allow me to bloviate.
In the early 1990s, I was an undergraduate at Hampshire College shoulders deep in a concentration (my Division II, in Hampshire parlance) on Russian and Soviet Studies. One book that is de rigueur for anyone working in that field is James Billington’s magisterial “The Icon and the Axe: An Interpretive Study of Russian Culture.” Mr. Billington (1929-2018) was named the 13th Librarian of Congress in 1987, a position he held until 2015. Sometime in this period, perhaps in 1993, the Library launched a magazine called “Civilization,” which was the Library’s version of “Smithsonian” magazine, as media critics and press releases at the time characterized it. Anyway, shortly after the announcement that the magazine would begin publishing, I received a come-on to subscribe, and I did.
From the beginning, I was ambivalent. It’s important to remember that this was a fraught moment in the early-90s culture wars (which were raging fiercely not just at Hampshire, but across the Five College System, i.e. Smith, Mt. Holyoke, the University of Massachusetts, and Amherst, not to mention on campuses nationwide), and any one periodical presuming to speak about “Civilization” (which many people not entirely incorrectly assumed meant a valorization of “Western Civilization” and a trivialization of all others) was presuming a bit too much. A few months into my subscription, the magazine published an essay by Joseph Epstein called, I’m fairly certain, “Call Me Mister.” As you have probably inferred from its title, it was a defense of titles and honorifics in which Epstein outlined his reasons for insisting that his students at Northwestern address him as “Mr. Epstein” rather than by his first name–which was, incidentally, the custom at Hampshire.
I found the piece enormously off-putting. It was smug, self-aggrandizing, and really, in my view at the time and since, pretty much pointless. I have the good fortune (or misfortune, depending on your view of these things) to possess a photographic memory. But the content and nature of my memory doesn’t figure here–I remember this piece because it annoyed the hell out of me. Not to put too fine a point on it, or risk profaning the temple of this comment forum, I though Epstein was a pompous ass.
So when I saw the Wall Street Op-Ed Epstein wrote trending on Twitter and Facebook, I figured, what the hell. Generally, I try not to invest time in outrage markets, so to speak; if you’ll allow me to extend this metaphor a couple of inches further, I find outrage in social media a volatile commodity with at best meager returns on investment. Still, a sufficient number of people that I respect called attention to it that I figured I should take a look.
After I read it (up to this point, I assumed this was an unsigned editorial, as they so often are, even in papers of record), I found myself wondering, “Who wrote this tripe?” When I scrolled up, whose name did I find? Joseph Epstein! Under the circumstances, I think I can safely describe the Wall Street Journal piece, if nothing else, as rank hypocrisy.
But all of that said, I must ask: Who are you, Joseph Epstein, to call Jill Biden “kiddo”?
For the record, I really don’t have a horse in the honorific race. My father was a PhD who gently but firmly eschewed the title of doctor. So, as above (e.g. my thesis advisor, Joanna Hubbs, PhD, was “Joanna” to me), did my professors at Hampshire. But if you’ve earned the title and want to use it, good for you. You earned it–and that’s all anyone really needs to know about your or Jill Biden’s decision to go by doctor.
Just sayin’.
Ed: I thought, not “I though.” Three copyediting passes, and still I missed it.
It is so satisfying have the opportunity to read the words bloviate, smug, pompous ass, tripe, and rank hypocrisy used so well. Scrumpdillyicious, even! The only word missing was lickspittle, which Ambrose Bierce defined, appropriately in this case, “A useful functionary, not infrequently found editing a newspaper.”
GregB,
You would appreciate Ruth Marcus’ opinion piece in the Washington Post today. Headline is: “Barr failed at his job. His bootlicking resignation letter made that clear.”
This sentence in her article is especially apt:
“Fawning is too mild an adjective to describe this remarkable document. The word lickspittle has been understandably overused during the Trump years, but Barr’s letter demands its redeployment.”
Hahahaha! Thanks Greg. It happens I regularly post quotes from “The Devil’s Dictionary” and “Write It Right” on my own blog. I got onto Bierce’s stories as a young teen (after seeing “Incident at Owl Creek Bridge” on a rerun of “The Twilight Zone”) and have been reading him since.
I must join with the ignorant in not knowing who Epstein is. I am sure that many people who have a jaded view of intellectual accomplishment and who eschewed association with such activity might look down on those who have completed courses that they themselves disdained. Still, I see a problem.
I wish to allude to a down-to-earth film we all have seen: Bambi. In that erstwhile piece of literature, Thumper observes a shaky Bambi as he gets to his feet for the first time:
“He ain’t very steady, is he mommy?”
“Thumper, what did your father say?”
“If ya can’t say anything good don’t say nothing at all.”
“Thank you, Thumper”
Epstein needs to listen to Thumper’s father.
Thank you, Ray. Thumper is more my speed.
First I want to make it clear that I don’t hold a Ph.D, a MD, a Doctor of Divinity, a JD or any other “Doctorate”. I do have an AB, a MA (history), and a MEd (Educational Leadership) which represent over 60 hours of post graduate education. I have always tried to follow l what I was taught at Calvin University in Grand Rapids that it is a scholar’s responsibility to live a life of “Lifelong Learning” so I actually have another 40+ graduate hours in subjects as diverse as statistics, business law, trends in higher education, etc.
I have never put the letters Dr. in front of my name, nor would I now. However when I persisted in using Mr. before my name. However, my dean and the president of the college I was an adjunct at insisted that I use Prof (Professor) before my signature and for publications. I feel fine using that honorarium as it reflects my status as an academic without denoting that I hold a PhD.
That said, I find nothing wrong with Dr Jill Biden using Dr before her name. She earned that doctorate. At least this time we have a “First Lady” who is highly educated and has spent much of her life teaching, which is not a highly paid profession, but is truly a public service to her state and our nation. She at least doesn’t have a record of past violations of our immigration laws. Being a model and a trophy wife doesn’t require an advanced degree, that just requires good genes that gave her a desirable body.
I do object to the tendency of some self appointed “leaders” using the “Dr” before their name because they have been granted a honorary doctorate form some institution of higher education. They are among the right wingers who are making a big deal out of the fact that Joe Biden’s wife is Dr Jill Biden. She earned her degree they didn’t! But they just can’t stop throwing dirt. This is a tempest in a tea pot! The easiest way to deal with this is to just let it pass. If you have to do something report people who repost this BS to the social media.
Please don’t keep this non-issue from being re-posted and re-posted. You can start by not re-posting my comments.
Exactly. There is a huge difference between earning a PhD and receiving an honorary degree because you are famous or gave a lot of money to an institution.
Honorary degrees may flow from major accomplishments, in addition to having an earned PhD.
Have you also recently checked on how many honorary degrees Dr. Diane Ravitch has?
I earned a Ph.D. in the History of American Education from Columbia University in 1975.
I only want to be called “Dr.” when the guys in the same room or the guys quoted in the same article are called “Dr.”
I have been in articles in the NY Times where the guys were “Dr.” and I was “Ms.” or no title at all. Pure sexism.
As I get older, I don’t really care what people call me.
“Diane” is good enough for me.
‘I only want to be called “Dr.” when the guys in the same room or the guys quoted in the same article are called “Dr.” ‘
…or in more common/vulgar terms when there is an implied, pissing contest going on.
Laura,
See Diane Ravitch’s post above. Diane earned a PhD and the right to be called Dr. if she chooses to do so. This is not about people being awarded HONORARY degrees.
Receiving an honorary degree has no relationship to earning a PhD. I should have clarified that honorary degrees are awarded to many very admirable and accomplished people, as well as many famous ones and rich ones like Mark Zuckerberg. That STILL doesn’t make the recipients a PhD., which is something earned by academic scholarship.
Someone who receives an honorary degree has the right to be called “Dr.” not because of their honorary degree but because they ALSO earned a PhD.
If Joseph Epstein cannot point to an editorial he wrote where he publicly demanded that everyone stop calling Henry Kissinger “Dr. Kissinger” because Kissinger hadn’t delivered any babies, then he should be forced to answer as to why he didn’t care about this until a woman whose husband defeated his beloved Trump used the title “Dr.”.
Epstein must provide an answer as to why in his decades of writing he has not chided the Council on Foreign Relations for referring to Henry Kissinger as Dr. Kissinger when Kissinger hasn’t delivered babies.
From CFR website:
“Henry A. Kissinger Chair for U.S. Foreign Policy
Established in 2000, this chair is named in honor of Dr. Kissinger, the fifty-sixth secretary of state of the United States and a member of the Council’s Board of Directors from 1977 to 1981, as a tribute to his contributions to the country and the Council on Foreign Relations.”
Here is the Yale University library website for the “Henry A. Kissinger Papers”:
“Collection Contents
The papers consist of correspondence, memoranda, writings, speeches, photographs and other material that document the career of the diplomat, author and foreign policy expert and scholar Henry A. Kissinger. Dr. Kissinger served as United States secretary of state from 1973 to 1977 and as assistant to the president for national security affairs (national security advisor) from 1969 to 1975.
Part II (MS 1981) documents Dr. Kissinger’s pre-government, government, and post-government careers.”
If Epstein can’t provide any evidence that he publicly condemned Kissinger, that is evidence that he doesn’t care about this issue, but Epstein does care about attacking and demeaning anyone who is associated with the man who defeated Donald Trump.
Epstein seems to be similar to most rabid Trump supporters. They don’t care about truth or consistency — they will say and do anything that helps legitimize Trump and that helps them undermine anyone who opposes their beloved Trump.
If the use of the term “Dr.” bothered Epstein, he had 50 years of a loud bully pulpit to publicly write about this issue that he claims is so important to him. This is the height of hypocrisy for a small-minded man who is throwing a temper tantrum because his beloved Trump was defeated. Epstein is a sore loser, similar to Trump, which is probably why he admires Trump so much.
This.
One of the most delightful guys I ever knew was a man named Hank White. He ran a company that made devices that were put out to sea to measure the temperature of the ocean and beam the data to satellites. He had been in the service, learned to scuba dive with Jacques Cousteau, run the American Oceanographic institute, and gone bankrupt several times before starting the company I mentioned above. All without much formal schooling.
There are many people who are great folks with an informal education. There are a great many others whose degrees have led them to be important to me as educators and important to society as researchers. Neither of the two groups got on each others’ nerves in the past. Why can’t we all learn to get along with each other without this snipping?
This Epstein needs to get over the election. Let us all try to get along.
A full column in the WSJ about a PH.D who is fully devoted to community college students . . . . what is Mr. Epstein afraid of? Is it scary that someone who understands the education system and the struggling middle class may have influence on education policy?
Go Dr. Biden!!
good piece.
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What always bugs me is watching some hearing in Congress or other legislative body where there’s a nameplate that says, “Honorable” before the person’s name. I thought (oh, silly me!) that these people are elected, beholden to constituents &, thus, are public servants. What makes them “honorable?”
Most of them are exactly the opposite.
Speaking of which, where’s lindsay graham hiding out these days?
“Speaking of which, where’s lindsay graham hiding out these days?”
Funny you should ask. I have been wondering the same thing.
He has a big walk-in closet.
I resist calling anyone in K-12 education “Doctor” mainly because of the hierarchical nature of the title. Were someone to demand that I call them Dr. So&So, I’d let them know I’ll do that when they address me as “Master Swacker”. Hell, I’m a “master” three times over in English and once in Spanish. According to the Missouri Dept of Conservation I’m a Master Trout Fisherman for having caught not one but two trout 24 inches or longer and/or that weighed 6 pounds. I’m also a master upholsterer and last and least in the English category I’m a Master Adminimal having gotten a MaEd in Adminimalism and being state certified. Now in Spanish I am considered and addressed as Maestro when I teach in my classes. So unless the PhD or EdD has four doctorates I tend to disregard their request.
You did not even mention your extensive knowledge of all the good floats in Missouri and where the fish are. Too modest, I say.
Oh, there are a lot of floats that I haven’t done as there are just so many excellent rivers to canoe. Be that as it may, some things cannot be disclosed. . . if you know what I mean. It’d be like telling someone where you got the morels. No can do!
I don’t think Ed.D should result in the title of “doctor.”
The Ph. in Ph.D is a reference to “philosophy.” Education is not a cogent and coherent topic that has the ability to have a sustained philosophy to attain. It’s ridiculed from the associates degree on up on campuses. It’s a non-major major. To this day, quality teachers are haphazardly found and distributed throughout localities. There is no Ed program that produces better teachers than any other Ed program. It’s an Ed.D rather than a Ph.D because it’s not as rigorous. Any rigor is imposed
not by the course of study but by the particular student. There is no there there in Education as a field of study as practiced on campuses. Ed departments are not known as bastions of the higher mind, nor are they known as hothouses of the intellect. Education programs are professional certification programs that academia took on board sometime in the last century, among other such things, as ways to find revenue. It used to be that a rigorous engagement with an actual topic and field of study at least through the MA level was what qualified one, basically, to become a teacher. That system likely produced as many actually good teachers as haphazardly as the normalization of education departments. It’s a lightweight degree. Everybody knows it. All of that is lost in the Jill Biden non-controversy.
In my master’s program, from a highly reputable college, the amount of reading, theory and papers and discussions were “rigorous” – by any standard.
My undergraduate degree was not in education – teaching was a career change. The education communities that I am involved in (including this blog) certainly could be considered “hothouses of intellect.”
Eh…
Re: “A wise man once said that no one should call himself “Dr.” unless he has delivered a child. ” — I thought only females could deliver children.
Oh Dienne at it again with the bizarre virtue signaling that NYC parent rightly identifies as an odd mix of trolling and misplaced ire.
Your trademark 🙄
&…12 hours later, it’s back to dienne, again.
You know, looking back on all the comments here, I can’t believe that this topic necessarily warranted 90 comments. (I include myself, here.)
Yes–let’s be worried about all the people who are unemployed, who are sick or who will be sickened &, perhaps, die because people won’t wear masks, follow guidelines, stay at home. Healthcare workers who have been pushed beyond the brink, more U.S. food insecurity than ever.
As I’ve said here before, I know Dienne, & she is a wonderful, caring, extremely brilliant woman, & I don’t think her ire is “misplaced.”
Especially not in terms of the current state of the world.
(&, no, I’m the one who has always been calling 45 it {original creds to bethree–it45}, so I know Dienne is NOT an it fan.)
Finally, Left Coast said it best (hope I don’t misquote you!):
“Education is wounded. Pressure must be applied.”
Yes, we must apply pressure.
Dumping on Dienne is a popular sport.
It’s a lot like Twitter.
SomeDAM Poet, why would you say “Dumping on Dienne is a popular sport”?
That sounds like something one of Joseph Epstein’s defenders would say — “Look at all these posts at Diane Ravitch’s blog dumping on Joseph Epstein (including from SomeDAM Poet). Dumping on Joseph Epstein is a popular sport.”
When someone like Joseph Epstein or Dienne go out of their way to chide or attack those who don’t meet their criteria of virtue, it is perfectly acceptable for people to respond. It isn’t “dumping on them”, to reply and point out hypocrisy. I never understood it when the far right claims that by criticizing Epstein, we are infringing on his “free speech” right to say whatever offensive thing he wants and we are not allowed to reply with criticism because we would be “dumping on him” if we did. Mischaracterizing a reasonable reply to an offensive post as “dumping on” the person is a way to silence opposition.
When someone says something intentionally provocative and condescending, they should expect a reply. There is nothing wrong with replying to an offensive remark. There is no rule that says some special people are allowed to write condescending op eds or post condescending comments and the rest of us must silently accept it because the person saying it is smarter and better than they are.
And if you decide what I just wrote is too offensive, you are free to respond to it. I won’t demand silence from you because anything other than silence makes you guilty of “dumping on” me. You are RESPONDING to me because you are offended by something I wrote above. And that is – or should be – fine, as long as you don’t use nasty names and abusive language. And I don’t believe any of the replies here – either to Joseph Epstein’s op ed or the condescending comment – do.
retiredbutmissedthekids says: “I don’t think her ire is “misplaced.'”
It is “misplaced” because instead of directing her “ire” at Joseph Epstein for his offensive comments, she directs her “ire” at those who are criticizing his comments.
Really? That’s your reply? If it makes your day a little brighter to post snarky mean girl level replies when I invited you to disagree with me, have at it. The hypocrisy speaks for itself.
I’m talking the Dienne bait because it tastes good, makes sense, and is harmless. I think it’s okay to respect the title of PhD when a Doctorate is earned and still pay attention what direly needs to be paid attention to, which is what Dienne points out. Attacking her as a troller makes no sense here, unless you do not care about those who are struggling. It hurts to hear the truth, doesn’t it? It really hurts.
The topic—whether Dr. Biden should be called “Dr.”—attracted national attention. People have the capacity to feel pain about the terrible injustices in our society and the world without forgoing the ability to think about other subjects. Are you saying we can’t laugh at a comedy or a joke because there is injustice in the world? Please.
I said the opposite. Close reading, please. I have said on this post that we can and should both recognize the importance of Dr. Biden’s title and the importance of working class issues. One does not or should not exclude the other. Personally, I’d rather spend a lot more of my efforts fighting poverty than advocating for a title, if I really had to boil it down to and calculate the allocation of time, energy, talent, and money. But certainly both issues have merit. And I won’t recognize Dienne as a troll for making her point.
Maybe look up styles of APA usage of titles. NO, Jill by virtue of simply being a woman, doesn’t become qualified to use a title. She has a Ed.D. So she is Jill Biden, Ed.D. NOT Dr Jill Biden. Look it up…APA.
Thank you! Plus, I don’t care if you’re a man or a woman, or how many degrees you have… you’re a egotistic douchebag if you feel like you need to put doctor in front of your name.
“you’re a egotistic douchebag if you feel like you need to put doctor in front of your name.”
Why would you draw such a conclusion? In some circumstances, titles are useful because as soon as you use them, a degree of respect is expressed and felt. And respect is really important sometimes: when you are in a doctor’s office, it’s important that you respect the doctor’s advice, when you are in a college classroom, it’s important to believe what the prof is claiming, etc.
In case of Jill Biden it’s seems really useful to use Dr so that people immediately have the impression, she is not “just a wife”.
Titles may also have important psychological effects on those who are addressed by them. They feel trusted and respected, and this may give them the confidence needed to give professional opinion or teach, etc.
Generic dismissal of titles is not really wise. They serve a purpose sometimes.
I agree with you, Máté. For me, it’s a basic matter of courtesy and decency to initially address any MD or PhD as Dr. I do so with people who are 30 years younger than me. They will let me know if they prefer to be addressed otherwise. I address friends by their first names in private and as Dr. in public. If my comfort level with a PhD is high, I mockingly address them as pinheads in private and none has taken offense. Some even quickly respond with, “you don’t have to call me that.”
I address the man I most admire by his first name in private as well as in conversation with his friends. But in public discourse, he will always be Dr. When I did not know Dr. Ravitch, on the few occasions I met her, I addressed her as Dr. That’s unthinkable now, but I would never be so familiar if I were to speak to or introduce her in a public forum. It seems to me that people who are not MDs or PhDs (or EdDs) who get upset up by the fact that the people who have these degrees might prefer to be called Dr. in public–after all, these degrees are not handed out like Halloween candy, they are earned–are the ones who need to reassess their own lives. Being respectful of another’s accomplishments is just proper etiquette, not a reason for being inappropriately sanctimonious.
And if we’re going to be picky, shouldn’t that be “…an egotistical…”? Didn’t even need to a doctorate in English to catch that one!
Under the Wall Street Journal’s editorial guidelines (which I posted in comments last night), anyone with an earned doctorate may be called “Dr.,” if they choose, regardless of their field.
What you should be truly agitated about is the practice of calling children “scholars,” which is common in no-excuses charter schools. How can a kindergartner be a scholar? Or for that matter, any child who has never engaged in scholarship.
That one has always made my teeth hurt
Why would APA dictate how we address each other? Personally, I think it’s silly to make reference to once profession in names, but it’s even sillier to try to distinguish between doctorates. The origin of the word doctor is teacher and teacher has also been used in the sense of being the master of something. So using doctor to address somebody with a doctorate in education is completely appropriate: she is a master of her subject.
Man having a heart attack… Quote: Is there a doctor in the house?
Jill Biden… Quote: I’m a doctor
That’s your narrow understanding of the word doctor. In such situations, many professionals could be called for help besides MDs, for example nurses or even lifeguards. Jill Biden, along with everybody else, would immediately understand what a call for a doctor in case of a heart attack means.
I gather you are not a fan of homonyms either . . . .
Sorry, Flerp! I just saw your “Pledge Pin” (Is that a “PLEDGE PIN?!”–getting spit on Flounder’s face) Niedermaier question–yes, indeed, Maestro & Niedermaier actor –Mark Metcalf.
Hope you catch this.
I think Jill Biden deserves credit and recognition for completing her doctorate.
She has inspired me to start using my title. Henceforth please refer to me as ABD Smith.
Thank you.
Alll But Delusional?
Thanks, ABD.
Are you related to ACB?
These days I’m more closely related to ADD
Touché.
Fred–you’re a very funny guy! Glad you’re on the blog!
I do not understand at all what could be the problem with the dissertation topic.
Epstein was expressing his condescension for community colleges as a topic worthy of study.
Which makes him ignorant at best.
“Which makes him ignorant at best.”
…and that’s being extraordinarily kind.
Mr. (not doctor, as he readily admits) Epstein is a fine wordsmith, so perhaps he should look at the etymology of “doctor,” which, in its original and truest sense, refers to someone qualified to teach. Dr. Biden has earned a doctorate and is, accordingly, teaching, a profession she seems to be quite good at, in which women have long distinguished themselves. Mr. Epstein, you may address Jill Biden as Doctor Biden.
I don’t normally come back and read the abuse that gets heaped on me for the crime of dissenting with the holy wisdom of the august members of this site, but for whatever reason, I did this time. And in 111 other comments, not one person, even among those heaping abuse on me, was able to address my actual point.
What makes a person with a doctorate somehow worthier of recognition and honorariums than a person without? Getting a doctorate is hard, yes, but no harder than working for Amazon or on a farm or driving a truck or any of the other things that keep our country running on a daily basis (things which, incidentally, the average “Doctor” couldn’t survive a day doing). Does having the leisure and the money to pursue a life of the mind somehow make someone a better person than someone whose circumstances force them to labor with their body?
The people the Democrats claim to support and represent watch these knee-jerk reactions and they see the classicism and the condescension of their “betters” looking down at the uneducated “deplorables”. If you want their votes in the future – and if you want to keep Trump and his ilk out of the Oval Office, I’d suggest foregoing outrage over titles like a bunch of English aristocrats and instead start getting outraged that people are starving and facing eviction in winter during a pandemic and our “betters” in Congress are headed home for vacations with their families and freezers full of gourmet ice cream.
I can definitely see that, and it makes sense. There’s discrimination and denigration in higher circles, and then there is massive, widespread, ingrained oppression in the general population. More dots connected.
Hello!
I will address your point “What makes a person with a doctorate somehow worthier of recognition and honorariums than a person without?” Nothing.
Now please point out where anyone said that people with doctorates are more worthy of recognition than a person without? You are more outraged about something that didn’t happen than you are that a right wing Trump-supporting op ed writer hypocritically attacked and demeaned Dr. Jill Biden for using a title that he was fine with Henry Kissinger and a host of other male right wingers using.
I am trying to understand why you would call uneducated people “deplorable” as you just did. I am trying to understand why you are pushing the same lie as the far right that democrats and progressives have said that people without education are deplorable.
In fact, EDUCATION had nothing to do with the Trump voters who were cited as deplorable. The “deplorables” were those who loved the racism and xenophobia and hate and violence. It had nothing to do with education. Why in the world are you angry that the democrats aren’t appealing to the voters who are attracted to hatred to non-whites and immigrants and are have threatened good progressives like AOC? Why are you angry that the “deplorables” who like appeals to violence against AOC aren’t supporting the democratic party? You really think the Democrats should change to appeal to those “deplorables”.
In fact, the democrat who cited the “deplorables” (which had nothing to do with their education) distinguished them from people who often did not have a lot of education and felt that the government was doing nothing for them.
The fact that you equated “deplorable” with uneducated folks reveals a lot about you. The democrats have never thought uneducated folks were deplorable. But that is certainly the narrative the right wing has pushed.
No one but you is insulting folks without education.
^^We Democrats believe that Jim Jordan is “deplorable” as are Mitch McConnell and other Republicans with “education” — from Trump’s children to Kushner to Matt Gaetz to Greg Gianfort. You seem to be suggesting that none of them are deplorable since they are all “educated”.
It would surprise those in their white bubble of “Biden is like Trump” privilege that there are people other than white folks without college education. You seem to be suggesting that democrats would consider African American voters without a college degree to be “deplorable” — and the fact that you think they are “deplorable” but college educated “Jim Jordan” is not “deplorable” is very revealing.
Sometimes it’s useful to use titles because they induce respect. If somebody talks about what’s happening in politics and she is introduced as Senator X Y, we then don’t have to think about whether what she is saying is authoritative. I also like to know that if somebody gives me an advice on Covid that that person is an MD and it spares me the time to get on google and conduct a tedious search whether what this person says is believable. If somebody talks to me about physics, …. If somebody talks to me about education in community colleges, ….
On the other hand, if Bill Gates talks about education policy, it should be a giveaway that we do not hear any titles associated with his name that would make what he is saying authoritative.
You miss the point, dienne. I can admire(or not) someone who has been awarded an academic degree for their academic pursuits and still be mighty glad that there are people who are farmers or auto mechanics. Neither has anything to do with whether I am outraged that a society like ours has so many people that are living on the edge whether through their own fault or not. That people’s preconceived notions about bootstraps and other such nonsense allow them to ignore the abysmal plight of so many is reprehensible. I did not realize that it was a requirement to spend every waking moment reflecting on the injustices of life.
My goodness, she is tiresome, isn’t she? “Heaps abuse” on our intelligence and logic for more than four years and still claims to be the victim. Just like her hero, the Idiot. And my comment above, among the 111, very clearly points out why this faux condescension and outrage is misplaced. It’s just not decent. To quote myself, “Being respectful of another’s accomplishments is just proper etiquette, not a reason for being inappropriately sanctimonious.” Decency, respect, etiquette. Quaint these days, I guess.
Since when it is forbidden for people to express outrage at sexist right wing hypocrisy because there is still poverty and many serious problems to address?
If that is the case, then is it also forbidden to express outrage at progressive critics of right wing hypocrisy because there is still poverty and many serious problems to address?
Is it also forbidden to express outrage at the underfunding of public schools if you spend your own money on private school tuition instead of donating it to a public school where most students live in poverty?
This kind of moral relativism is right wing propaganda. No one on the left can ever be perfect enough to criticize anything done by the far right – no matter how bad – because there is always some supposedly more important issue that should be talked about instead. AOC can’t talk about the Green New Deal anymore because she takes lyft or flies on an airplane. AOC can’t criticize horrible Trump policies that destroy our environment because she should be talking about kids living in horrible poverty. But if she starts talking about kids living in poverty, that isn’t allowed because she should be talking about the devastation caused by horrible environmental destruction. Change the subject, change the subject, whenever criticism of anything the far right does comes up.
This is sheer right wing propaganda used to shut down any criticism of their anti-progressive agenda. It doesn’t help the progressive movement at all, but it does normalize the far right and helps to empower it.
NYCpsp: Not to be nasty–just trying to tell you to not waste your valuable time–Dienne doesn’t read your responses, so writing 9 paragraphs to her is an effort in futility.
Everyone’s opinion is valuable, but your constant scolding (& even of SDP!) and unending commentary is/are tiresome. Please do yourself (& us) a favor & stop.
We are at “a site to discuss a better education for all,” not to interpret every meaning/intent of Dienne’s comments.
Thank you &, seriously, stay well, & happy holidays!
Agree . . .
retiredbutmissthekids,
Anytime someone starts out with the comment “Not to be nasty…” you can absolutely be certain that they want to be nasty.
I thought we were better than that on this blog, but I thought wrong.
I am sorry that offering up my opinion is “scolding”. I admit to writing much too long posts and I never demand anyone read them or respond. There is another person who often posts very long replies and often includes links, and I either ignore them or I read them and they are often interesting.
But, unlike retiredbutmissthekids, it never occurs to me to scold him for writing those posts.
And, unlike retiredbusmissthekids, I don’t excuse my intent to write something nasty by starting out “not to be nasty”.
I always invite anyone to reply to my posts or ignore them altogether. The idea that there are certain people whose wisdom is not allowed to be challenged (SDP) was not made to clear to me, but thank you, retiredbutmissthekids, for explaining that.
I recently had an exchange with John Merrow on his blog. I posted one of my too long replies, but he demonstrated the courtesy of reading and replying to it without needing to begin “Not to be nasty” and ignoring what I said in favor of scolding me for writing a reply that was too long or whose tone could have been better.
And I replied with my appreciation and apologized for my tone. Which he graciously accepted.
It appears that I expect too much here. Honestly, I’m just a random, unimportant parent of a kid in public school who will soon graduate. I’m starting to realize that I’m not welcome, and frankly, the more I am here and get these kinds of “Not to be nasty…” replies from teachers and retired teachers, the more I see why the public has become skeptical of unions. I have defended teachers’ unions for decades, but the more I stay on this blog, the less I support them, and I don’t want the nasty replies on this blog to influence me as I know that the teachers I meet IRL are not this way.
I will stop concerning myself with “educated” union teachers who have good benefits and instead start caring about people who are working for Amazon or on a farm or driving a truck or all of the people working in healthcare on the front lines of this pandemic instead of those who get to teach classes via zoom and know their healthcare is insured by their union membership.
As dienne77 points out, there are a lot of people who need help more than teachers or other professionals.
I can take the hint, retiredbutmissthekids, so you don’t even need to pretend not to be nasty. You neither want nor need the support of parents like me.
Hilarious comment, retired! You give a blanket pass to our sneering commentator who has, quite literally, never had a constructive comment to make (false equivalencies, whataboutism [remember the good old days of arguing Hillary/Obama/Biden are the equivalent of the Idiot], apologist for treasonous fascist authoritarianism, even attacks LeBron James for the IPromise school!). Literally not one. I suggest you go back four years and read the comments made prior to and immediately after the 2016 election as I did a few months ago. Please let me know how those fit into “a site to discuss a better education for all.” Please.
But NYPSP’s comments–which might be long for some and often, in my opinion, are too quick to apologize–are tiresome because they take the time to be clear and refute points in a categorical, thorough way. That’s a good one, retired. I don’t read them all, NYPSP, but please carry on if you choose to.
I finally shredded my diplomas a few days ago after enduring four years of anti-science, anti-expertise attitude in the US, and the constant rhetoric calling scientists’ responses “fake” or just a “hoax” or much much worse. I’d been “doxxed” about a month ago … for posting a reply to a factually inaccurate post by Dr. Scott Atlas, and had to take down my website and email for several weeks because of the sudden flood of hate mail. Then watching the whole debate with Dr. Jill Biden, feeling disgust one day (since I was never a “real doctor” and the country that we’ve made great again seems to have no need for any virologist to comment on the current pandemic, I took my diplomas to the shredder. Yes, I was depressed. Very depressed. Feeling like I wasted my life and career doing something useless to my fellow countrymen. Still reeling from it.
What does all of this say to anyone wanting to work in a STEM field?
It says that if you keep reading hate mail, you are going to get a really warped view of what a whole lot of people think. There are people out there who assume you are part of the elite crowd if you have more than a high school education, and if you went to any elite university with ivys at the top, you can’t possibly be trusted. Said but true. I for one want my virologists to know the h*** what they are talking about because they spent a whole lot of time, and still do, studying virology. Diane can probably tell you about hate mail. It’s just sad that people can be taken in by talking heads who haven’t the faintest idea what they are talking about.
I have an earned PhD from UT Austin. I completed a 300 page dissertation adding new knowledge to my field of endeavor. An EdD does not require a dissertation, therefore I do not acknowledge EdDs as a doctors even though they can legally and professionally use the honorific.
Wow, 300 pages. That’s a lot of new knowledge, Dr Pearson.
Don’t we refer to Martin Luther King as Doctor? People just like to complain 🤨
Honorary Doctorate degree is not the same as a doctorate degree, it is not a academic doctorate degree and should not call themselves doctor. Please.
Doctor means teacher, so every teacher can use Dr if they want to.
The use of the title “Dr.” for first lady Jill Biden must be placed in perspective. This title is used with several advanced degrees – most notably the M. D., for a practitioner of medicine; the Ph. D. for someone trained to perform advanced, original research, the Juris Doctor degree for practitioners of law and the Ed. D. for advanced practitioners in education. A Ph. D. may be earned in education, which prepares the recipient for research and teaching at the graduate level in the field. Mrs. Biden received an Ed.D. degree; having written a pathetic “dissertation/executive position paper” while her husband was a powerful politician in Delaware, whose state university conferred the degree on her. “Dr.” Jill’s “dissertation” is available on line at: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/jill_biden_dissertation.pdf. A review of this effort reveals many typos and math errors, demonstrating her ignorance and the carelessness of her faculty advisors, each of whom signed a statement: “I certify I have read this dissertation and that in my opinion it meets the academic and professional standards required by the University as a dissertation of the Doctor of Education.”
For example, Mrs. Biden’s paper shows she neither understands fractions nor basic arithmetic: “Three quarters of the class will be Caucasian; one quarter of the class will be African American . . . the remaining seats will be filled with students of Asian descent or non-resident aliens.” (Page 2) Mrs. Biden also described a “quintupling” of enrollment as a 230% increase: “‘By 1963, public and private two year headcount enrollment stood at 850,361. By 1980, enrollment had grown to 4,526,287. . . approximately a 230 percent increase in student attendance.'” (Page 13) Worse yet, the so-called “scholars” who guided her — were equally careless to allow these glaring mistakes to remain in the final draft of the paper.
The assumption is that because Mrs. Biden received a doctorate, her paper must have been a “dissertation.” It was merely an “executive position paper” with no original research, as is required for a true dissertation. Many attorneys receive the Juris Doctor degree, but few are presumptuous enough to misappropriate the “doctor’ title. Mrs. Biden’s degree was not the equivalent of a Ph.D, a medical degree, or even an advanced professional degree like a Juris Doctor degree in terms of its rigor. It is insufferably pretentious for Mrs. Biden to call herself “Dr.” and demonstrates the ignorance of journalists who incorrectly associate the “Dr.” title with the degree she received. Ignoring the shortcomings of her “scholarly treatise”, she should be referred to as Jill Biden, Ed.D. Even Dr. Seuss would be embarrassed — but amused because his “Dr.” title, which he conferred on himself, is as appropriate to use as “Dr. Jill’s”.
I completely disagree. Dr. Jill Biden deserves to be called Dr. Whether you agree or disagree with President Biden. President Biden will be a two term president and President Trump will be in prison. Go Dr. Jill Biden and Dr. Joe Biden!!
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Using Dr. to address someone is very misleading. Attorneys do not call themselves “Dr.”, nor should someone with a degree in education. Not that those who have put in the work for advanced degrees not have a special title, however when used in misleading scenarios to portray being an MD it causes issues. I have this currently in a court case-
I just graduated 🎓 with my Doctorate degree in Education Ed.D. and l refer to myself as Dr. However, let’s be clear l’m only a virtual teacher teaching middle school students and sometimes elementary students. As a general teacher l call myself Dr. to my students and educate them as to the many types of Doctors. As it comes to other teachers without Doctorate degrees l also refer to myself as Dr. Lastly, some of my teachers or others in my profession call me Mr. and l’m okay with it because most K-12 teachers don’t have Doctorate degrees but many have advanced degrees including Doctorates and Educational Specialist degrees which is at the Doctorate level. Everyone is different. Sometimes l refer as Dr. but he wants to be called by his first name. Ultimately you must be happy 😊 with who you are no matter what others say or what title they give you.