Michael Podhorzer is a political analyst who has worked for the AFL-CIO. His is a widely respected voice thanks to the depth of his knowledge and wisdom. He maintains here that the MAGA movement is more aligned with the Confederacy than most people realize. He posted this piece soon after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states could not remove Trump from their ballots even though he participated in an insurrection.
I am posting it in part. Open the link to read it all.
Podhorzer writes:
Note: A version of this piece was published at The Washington Monthly.
The Supreme Court rejected Colorado’s decision to keep Trump off the ballot. Ahead of the ruling, many constitutional scholars and historians made strong legal arguments that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment disqualifies Trump from holding public office again. Others argued that if the Supreme Court upheld a Colorado high court ruling it would compromise the legitimacy of our democratic process.
Here, I want to use this episode to show how the debate itself was really about the legitimacy of America itself.
Since the January 6, 2021, insurrection, there has been speculation about whether America might break apart as it did in 1861. Some even fear that removing Trump from the ballot will ignite a new civil war. But when we describe what happened in the 19th century and what we fear coming now as a “Civil War,” we undermine the legitimacy of the American nation. We put the secessionists then—and the MAGA movement now—on an equal footing with the legitimate American government. By doing so, we not only mislabel the threats that Trump and MAGA represent, but also underestimate their dangers.
The original designation of the military engagement from 1861 through 1865 was the “War of Rebellion.” This wasn’t just the Union’s perspective; the Confederate States understood themselves to be seceding to form an independent “slaveholding republic.” They called themselves “rebels.” It was not a civil war in which combatants fought to control one nation.
The leaders of what I call the Red Nation, which has 10 of the 11 Confederate states at its core, consistently reveal that they do not recognize the legitimacy of the United States. (See the Appendix of my post on “The Two Nations of America” for more on how I define Red Nation.) They continue to be in the same relationship with America today as the Confederate states were before the War of Rebellion—unwilling to acceptthe legitimacy of the federal government, even if, in most periods, they have acquiesced to its superior force.

When the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, it was obvious why Section 3 was included. When a nation cannot disqualify from public office those who have sought to destroy it, it casts doubt on its own legitimacy. That is especially true of the unrepentant Trump. Even Confederate generals admitted they lost by swearing allegiance to the United States. Trump still insists that he didn’t lose. Meanwhile, most Republicans dodge whether President Joe Biden won the election legitimately by grudgingly acknowledging that Biden is president.
The MAGA faction is not “conservative,” and even calling it “extremist” misses the point dangerously. Those advocating for conservative and even extreme policies should be welcome in a democratic polity. But those acting in ways that reject legitimately constituted authority are neither conservative nor extreme. They are criminal. Thus, if we hope to be a single America, then we must acknowledge that those who claim that the 2020 election was stolen, decry the prosecution of Trump as a crime, call those convicted for their January 6 crimes “political hostages,” and claim that the Rio Grande is Texas’s to defend and not the federal government’s, do not recognize the legitimacy of the United States. They, like their Confederate ancestors, are not patriots.

When the Constitution was ratified in 1788, the free states saw it as most of us do today—enshrining a government for a unified nation. To the enslaving states, however, the Constitution did not create a single nation. Rather, as Texas Governor Gregg Abbott and two dozen other Red States say, it is merely a “compact” among the states. Due to the gravity of threats from abroad (Britain, France, Spain) and at home (Native Americans and enslaved people), the enslaving states agreed to a mutual defense pact (the Constitution) only insofar as they were confident that it protected their “peculiar institution.”
At Appomattox, Virginia, in 1865, the Confederates did not surrender so much as acknowledge that their best hope to preserve their “way of life” was not on the battlefield where they were badly outmatched but in a campaign of terror against Reconstruction. Once the South had made Reconstruction too costly to continue, it enacted Jim Crow Constitutions and updated its forced labor economy. This is a well-told story, for example, in Heather Cox Richardson’s How the South Won the Civil War.
Our devotion to an “America” that strives to be a “government of the people, by the people, for the people” has never been accepted by the Confederate faction, which has always been (and remains) committed to theocracy. We believe that the warrant for government is “the consent of the governed”; they believe its legitimacy is God-given….
Cutting the Branches, Leaving the Roots
Consider Germany, which is rightly credited for taking responsibility for the Holocaust. Last summer, I visited Berlin and saw how robust these efforts have been. For example, the sidewalks in residential neighborhoods have been broken up by Stolpersteine—stumble blocks—which call attention to the homes the Nazis stole from Jews and, where known, the fate of those Jews. But it’s not as if there aren’t similar landmarks commemorating our past, including the Legacy Museum/Lynching Memorialin Montgomery, Alabama, the National Center for Civil and Human Rights in Atlanta, Georgia, and the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C.
No, the real difference is exactly the difference between conceptualizing today’s toxic politics as “civil war” or “polarization” instead of a rebellion. In Germany, the idea that there would be monuments or streets named after Adolf Hitler or his generals is unthinkable. No popular culture there valorizes those who fought for the Führer or waxes nostalgic for a lost way of life. There’s no bawdy comedy, The Dukes of Bavaria…
Please open the link to read this provocative article in full.

While I spent most of my life in the Northeast, I now live in ultra-conservative district in North Florida that Matt Gaetz represents. While most are traditional conservatives, there is among some in this area there are some people that have not gotten over The Civil War, despite the fact that it took place over a hundred-fifty years ago. Strangely, these are often the MAGA maniacs that worship the elitist carpetbagger, DJT.
The South was more bipartisan before the election of LBJ. When he passed The Civil Rights Act of 1964, it became a rally cry for the polarization we face today. For some southerners it was a bridge too far. It led to increased polarization and resentment of federal government. We see this continuing resentment today in The Christian Nationalists that mix religion with politics, and in this part of Florida it is hard to travel more than ten blocks before encountering another evangelical church. They always claim to be protecting their “way of life,” but what they seek to protect is what they believe is their right to discriminate and segregate.
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Why’d you move to Florida?
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I moved here for a warmer climate and the fact that I could drive to Houston in a day. My daughter and her family lived near there at the time. Also, Florida was a purple state when I moved, not the right wing mecca of today.
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I moved to be near family, and yes, when I moved, it was a purple state.
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“A bridge too far”- the rights of women to reproductive freedom, where does that rank with right wing Christian and Catholic theocrats?
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Catholics are Christians.
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there is one difference between Germany post WWII and the states that were occupied following the civil war. That difference has to do with the administration of the post-war occupation.
In Germany, massive numbers of troops were stationed there deep into the decade after the war. Simultaneously, massive efforts were put into place to make the occupation zones of the U.S., France, and Britain thrive economically.
In contrast, Northern occupation armies were pared down to tiny forces that were unable to quell the slightest disturbance. In 1866, a race riot broke out in Memphis when Irish dock workers went on a rampage against black residents, the union occupation force was toothless. Unrepentant Confederate newspapers turned to stir the racist sentiment that would usher in the period without slavery, but with violence and white supremacy. In short, the north won the battles but lost the war in their unwillingness to see the revolution to its logical conclusion. Also the occupation assured through monetary policy deep into the Twentieth Century that the southern states were to be a third world country. Three generations after the civil war, southern boys who got an education went north to use it in business. In short, the north did little to curb racism except blame southerners for it. Behind the back, they continued to redline northern real estate and make back-scratching deals with southern racists until the Cold War shook us out of the locked arms of prejudice.
The moral of the story is that the Victor must help the vanquished after a conflict, or the vanquished will re-write history.
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Roy,
So wise. The victor must help the vanquish recover or experience bitterness, hatred and unending conflict.
If we had offered a Marshall Plan to Germany after World War 1, we would probably not have had WW2 20 years later.
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Hello Diane: Joe Scarborough (Morning Joe) is always shouting at the camera to Republicans that “you keep losing, so why do you keep supporting Donald Trump? Why do you keep self-destructing? Don’t you get it?”
But he seems to think that they just need to realize his point!, and things will get better, e.g., stay in the two-party structure and become nicer people, and more bi-partisan.
What HE doesn’t seem to realize is that the R mindset is, win at all costs; the “we the people” and “for-of-by the people” democratic ideas are anathema to their creed; and so if you cannot win this way, don’t become more civilized, . . . change the field, the goalposts, the rules or, again, cheat.
What looks to Joe like party suicide in a democracy is really a bid to take it all . . . apparently a long time struggle to reorganize around the fascist-oligarch power principle and to take over and own for themselves what’s left of the country. CBK
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Podhorzer Is up to his dirty tricks again. Democrats love to hate our Constitution. He is equating Trump supporters with the Confederacy, which, if democrats believe, which they will because they are in a cult, will justify any and all violence and tyranny to hand the Presidency of Dementia Joe.
Meanwhile, democrats openly disparage the Supreme Court and the Electoral College, which are written into the Constitution.
it is the democrat party’s lust for power that is a danger to our democracy.
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Not everybody is a big fan of the Constitution as it was originally written, like women who didn’t have the right to vote and, Black people who were given status as 3/5 of a human. Just curious, would Amy Comey Barrett have been a suffragette?
Given the power of Leonard Leo and the conservative SCOTUS majority, it is worth learning the history of the Catholic church’s ordination of black priests – check out the bio sketch of Charles Uncles (Wikipedia) “virulent racism”. “Historically, Black Americans have affiliated in far greater numbers with certain protestant denominations than with the Roman Catholic Church.”
The reason is given at “Desegregating the alter:…the Struggle for Black priests 1871-1960,” by Stephen J Ochs.
Not a big leap to understand why the American right wing Catholic Church wants the segregation academies made possible through school choice. We know what they think of women and how little their lives mean.
Maybe, you don’t like truth?
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All roads lead to Rome in Linda’s mind, LOL. If you don’t like the Constitution, amend it.
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Jacqui
I’m pretty sure that in my gerrymandered, red state I couldn’t get an amendment passed to get women the vote. The lawmakers won’t even protect the life of a woman from toxic shock syndrome when she has a dead fetus in utero.
You think your state, if it’s red would give women the vote? You think they would make a Black person’s vote equal to a White’s? The red states, currently, work to deny them voting rights altogether.
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