Michael Hiltzik is a columnist for the LA Times. Although supposedly a business columnist, he writes about cultural topics that shape our world. In this column, he takes issue with media bias against older people. As a woman approaching her 85th birthday, I share his view. Fifty years ago, I was physically vigorous, not so much now. But I know so much more now than I did when I was 35. I dare say I’m less impetuous, less likely to be caught up in fads, less likely to be fooled. I would rather be led by a wise person than a relatively youthful fascist like DeSantis or an old liar like Trump. Age is of far less consequence than character and beliefs. (I was going to say “convictions,” but that word favors Trump, who is probably going to have at least one conviction by November 2024, an unenviable record.)
Hiltzik writes:
The cry is heard that America has become a “gerontocracy.” That’s supposed to be bad, it’s argued, because our superannuated political leadership is out of touch with the electorate and blocking younger and (theoretically) more vigorous and intellectually vibrant leaders from taking their hour upon the stage.
Earlier this year, CNN called President Biden’s age a “hot topic.” Leaving aside that news organizations such as CNN have helped make it a hot topic, the real question is whether it’s anything more than that. The answer is no….
The gerontocracy critique also threatens to deprive us of our most experienced leaders. Rather than remove poor performers from their sinecures, the current fixation on age could remove from our political and economic structures men and women who have spent decades learning about the world and offering the wisdom born of long professional experience.
The U.S. State Department, for example, requires its professional foreign service staff to retire at 65, “when they are at the height of their wisdom and knowledge,” publishing executive and author Michael Clinton observed recently, a rule he attributed to “toxic ageism.” Some corporations require their top officers to retire at 60 or 65, while most are still willing to make a professional contribution….
Claims that a political gerontocracy is somehow undermining American democracy — the theme of so much political navel-gazing— simply don’t hold water. They depend on the notion that as we grow older, our political outlooks coalesce into something at odds with the public interest. Where’s the evidence for that?
It’s widely noted that Biden and his likeliest presidential challenger, Donald Trump, would be the oldest president if either wins election in 2024. Biden would be 82 on inauguration day 2025 and Trump nearly 80. Does that tell us anything about how their administration would unfold? Obviously not.
Biden would almost certainly run on his record of creating remarkably inclusive and progressive White House policies and overseeing an economy of job growth and economic expansion in the wake of the pandemic; Trump, judging from his most recent speeches, would continue to flog personal grievances based on his groundless claims of fraud in his 2020 loss…
Some of our political leaders have notched their most outstanding achievement at an age decades later than when conventional wisdom holds that they should have retired.
The questions raised about the physical and mental capacity of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), 89, didn’t apply to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), who compiled what might be the most successful record in House history by shepherding the Affordable Care Act through Congress in 2010 at 70 and Biden’s progressive policies to enactment after the age of 80….
As for whether older politicians are out of step with the younger members of the American electorate, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) didn’t seem to have much trouble connecting with youthful voters when he ran for president in the run-up to the 2016 election, at age 75.
Nor are there signs that the liberal Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has lost the youth vote because of her age, 73. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) seemed to have little trouble getting reelected in the last election, when they were, respectively, 80 and 89….
Quite plainly, the best guides to politicians’ adequacy are their words and actual performance in office. Few reach the highest echelons of American politics without leaving a record to be examined.
Republican presidential hopeful Nikki Haley, a former South Carolina governor, recently took a swipe at Biden’s age, remarking that he would be unlikely to live to the end of his next term.
Does that tell you anything about what she has to offer as an alternative? No; for that you’d have to delve into her positions on gun control (after a deadly school shooting in Nashville, she called for more metal detectors at schoolhouse doors but not more gun legislation) or abortion rights (she’s against them).
Who shows more mental acuity? Joe Biden, who occasionally stumbles over his words (apparently an artifact of his youthful stuttering)? Or Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), who recently called for a “national divorce,” i.e., secession by red states, at the age of 48?
Does the age of Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott explain his boasting about signing a 2021 law allowing almost any Texan to carry a gun in public — “No license or training is needed,” he bragged in a tweet. Abbott was 63 at the time, a relative spring chicken. How has that worked out for his Texas constituents?
Ha, ha. Yes, better find a new word for convictions–but really a good op ed. Glad there is a discussion about age–Bidens generation gets it two ways-at one time they were accussed of being too young, now too old. And of course, this hits close to home with me. I wish so strongly we get back to the “belief” that for whom much is given, much is expected in return. So many thanks for sending Michael’s blog. I miss a lot of his.
PS-and then there is Feinstein and Grassley
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I don’t have any problem with age per se. Bernie Sanders, for instance, despite being 81 and having had a heart attack, is clearly in good shape both physically and mentally. I don’t even have a problem with the physical manifestations of age. Being in a wheelchair, for instance, would not be a bar to fitness.
But Biden and Feinstein are both clearly suffering cognitive effects. Feinstein is known to be on Alzheimer’s medication. Her staff say (off the record) that she has no clue where she is or what she’s doing half the time. Biden gets lost in the Rose Garden. He can barely make it through a prepared speech, even with a teleprompter and has no idea what to do when he loses track of where he is (and please don’t tell me it’s a stutter unless you can supply videos from his earlier days in politics showing similar levels of dysfunction – his current problems are absolutely not just stumbling over a word or two).
The thing is, we are in the primary season. There is plenty of time to find the best candidate. Why does it have to be Biden? There’s seriously no one better the Dems could come up with? Biden is really the best choice to run against Trump or DeSantis???
Why does it have to be Trump or DeSantis? There’s seriously no one better the Repubs could come up with? Trump or DeSantis is really the best choice to run against Biden???
Which one, Trump or DeSantis, do you believe has cognitive ability that is superior to Biden’s?
It’s amazing that Biden is doing the great job he is (which is better than Obama did, in my opinion) with cognitive decline. Biden must have started with such an incredibly high degree of cognitive ability that even with decline, he’s doing his job as president.
Feinstein is NOT doing her job. She needs to leave. There is no comparison whatsoever.
I had no qualms whatsoever about supporting John Fetterman over Mehmet Oz and I would do so again. Maybe you think Fetterman needs to step down so someone you believe is cognitively superior can take his place, but I disagree strongly.
Fetterman and Biden can do their jobs – Feinstein cannot.
I don’t give a rat’s rear who the Republicans nominate, but those two seem to be the most popular so far and the most responsive to their base, which is something the Democrats could learn from. Biden appeals to hardcore Democrats, but a lot of liberal-leaning people have serious doubts about him, especially young people upset with the Willow Project and other drilling and the lack of response to East Palestine.
Frankly, I don’t understand why the Democrats don’t want a lively primary competition. Why not go head-to-head to find the best candidate? If Biden won’t even debate lightweights like Williamson and RFK Jr., how’s he going to face the Republicans? Democrats have started spouting this notion that duking it out in the primaries somehow “damages” the candidate for the general, but that’s nonsense. Do you think anything will be revealed that the Republicans don’t already know and already plan to attack? Why not deal with it upfront?
In any case, a WaPo-ABC poll says that Biden is trailing both Trump and DeSantis, so the Dems might want to think about it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/07/biden-trump-desantis-2024-election-poll/70192303007/
Just my two cents, worth every penny. If I really cared about Democrats beating Republicans, personally I’d want the best possible Democratic candidate, but YMMV.
Bernie Sanders already endorsed Biden. Didn’t even wait to see who was going to challenge Biden. (Please don’t bash Bernie and accuse him of stupidity because he isn’t smart enough to understand those with superior knowledge who know that a lively primary season is the way to go.)
Most Americans don’t want a sitting president wasting time debating lightweights. It has the same value as test prep. If you have to judge a sitting president whose record you already know on a single night’s debate performance, then you aren’t planning to vote for him anyway.
I am not going to vote for Trump and I know that Trump can debate 100 other candidates and I still won’t vote for him. I find it hard to believe that even you believe that anyone’s mind is going to be changed because Biden debated a lightweight.
Some of us prefer Biden run the country, not prep for an election 18 months away.
Your poll comment is hilarious! You trust polls now? So when the next poll shows Biden ahead, you’ll advise he continue to refrain from debating?
Okay. Just don’t say you weren’t warned. And if Dems lose in 2024 because they ran the dead guy who isn’t nearly as popular as they think he is, don’t blame the left for it.
LOL! Your post was classic frenemy.
In 2022, if a conservative Democrat who hates progressives claimed they were being “helpful” when they spent all of their time warning the country, and especially Pennsylvania voters, about the serious cognitive decline of John Fetterman, using terms about how Fetterman was “dead” and incompetent, would anyone really believe that they were amplifying the narrative that Fetterman was a cognitive vegetable because they wanted to be “helpful” so Democrats could win?
At least when the right wing Republicans were pushing all the nasty attacks about Fetterman being a cognitive vegetable, they weren’t pretending they really cared about helping the Democrats win the Senate seat in Pennsylvania. They were honest about their only goal being to defeat the Democrat and help the right wing Republican Oz win.
What I don’t understand is why everyone doesn’t see what is obvious to me. That you aren’t trying to help, that your intention is to push false right wing narratives so the Democrat loses.
But it would take a lot of chutzpah for someone who devoted so much of their time amplifying what a cognitive vegetable Fetterman was to say “don’t blame me when Fetterman loses because people were afraid to vote for the cognitive vegetable”.
Of course, I understand why someone who pretended they were warning that Fetterman was a cognitive vegetable would say “don’t blame me”.
It’s a double win for them. They get to absolve themselves of responsibility for helping legitimize Republican lies, and they get to once again remind people that Fetterman is a cognitive vegetable.
You do that all wow, it’s a double win — you absolve yourself of responsibility and get to once again remind people that Fetterman is a vegetable.
Classic frenemy! I think we would have to have cognitive issues ourselves to believe you are trying to do anything but damage Biden.
Bernie Sanders endorsed Biden. Enough said.
Why do you keep bringing up Fetterman? I haven’t said a word about him.
If you want to think Biden is not suffering cognitive decline, that’s your prerogative, of course. By all means, nominate him, cheer him on. It’s no skin off my back. Just don’t say you weren’t warned if you find yourself saying “President Trump” again in 18 months. (Or whatever other Republican gets their nomination.) The left is trying to warn you, so you have no grounds to blame us if exactly what we say will happen comes to pass.
As for Bernie, he told us a while ago that there would come a time when we’d have to stop following him. I have.
I officially declare a conclusion to the exchange between Dienne and NYCPSP. ALL future comments will go into moderation
BTW, how do you think I’m “damaging” Biden? Do you really think I’m saying anything that the Republicans (and most independents and even a lot of Dems) aren’t? Do you think you can deny the problem by blaming it on people saying it? That’s as whack as Trump pretending he could end COVID by not testing for it.
Denying a problem doesn’t make it go away. Not that I care, but if Dems do actually want to win this, they need to get ahead of the problem. At the very least, have Biden submit himself for cognitive testing and make the results public. What are they worried about? If he doesn’t have dementia, he’ll pass and the naysayers will be put in their places. Are you confident he’d pass?
I prefer Biden to Trump (a narcissistic sociopath) or DeSantis (a fascist), regardless of their scores on cognitive tests.
The question is, why is Biden your choice now? We’re still in the primaries. You honestly think he’s the best candidate to beat either Trump or DeSantis??? Why not get him tested and, if the tests show what people are saying, then find a different candidate?
Biden is my choice because he has had a very successful presidency. He has made some mistakes: the exit from Afghanistan was a disaster and should have been staged with dignity and proper exit routes for all who wanted out. Biden has also been a zero on education. Many of us were led to believe that he would diminish federal support for charters and free kids from the federal testing mandate. He didn’t. And Cardona is the Invisible Secretary of Education. He should be speaking out every day to support teachers and students. Silence.
You’ve given two really big negatives about his presidency, but haven’t stated what you think he has been successful at. He hasn’t raised the minimum wage. He hasn’t provided a public option – or even pursued one since he campaigned on it. He hasn’t lowered Medicare age (in fact, he’s busily working on privatizing it). He never gave us the full $2,000 he promised (and, no, the promise was indeed for $2,000, not $1,400 + the previous $600 to make $2,000). His climate legislation sounds good on the surface, but it has been a give away to corporations, including the fossil fuel industry – in fact, it required giving 62 million acres of land a year to the fossil fuel industry before green measures could be enacted. He’s opened up more wilderness for drilling. The Willow Project. The disastrous catastrophe in East Palestine and his lack of response to it (just after he broke a rail strike, the demands of which could have prevented that tragedy). His infrastructure bill was hugely watered down and, again, a giveaway to the corporations. I’m sure New York City alone has a trillion dollars a year of infrastructure needs – I know Chicago does. He failed to codify Roe as he promised he would. He made a meager, paltry attempt to cancel student loan debt, knowing Republicans would undermine it.
Sorry, but I’m just not seeing any resounding successes, other than, he’s simply not Trump, which I guess is enough these days?
Biden has invested more in attacking climate change than any president in history. I know about the Willow Project and environmental objections to it, but the transition from fossil fuels to clean energy won’t happen all at once.
The unemployment rate is at a very low point. I think it’s 3.5%, which is full employment.
He won the passage of a huge investment in infrastructure to replace our crumbling bridges, tunnels, and roads.
He defended Ukraine against Russian aggression with the coordinated support of NATO.
Whatever he is for, the GOP is against. When Trump was president, he opposed the very mention of climate change.
Trump talked about infrastructure but did nothing.
Biden has pursued a New Deal agenda, but has been opposed by Republicans.
With a razor-thin majority in both houses of Congress, his accomplishments have been amazing.
I trust him.
I wish he would replace silent Cardona.
I hope that Democrats win a blow-out victory against GOP fascism in 2024.
How many roads, bridges and tunnels near you have been (are being) replaced? Few if any here.
Biden’s job record is just replacing previous jobs now that COVID is “over”. Most of them are low wage and people can’t make ends meet. Inflation has grossly exceeded wage increases. Housing alone has nearly doubled. Health insurance deductibles make health care unaffordable for over half the country. Food prices have sky rocketed. Gas is still $1.50 more expensive near me than it was a year and a half ago.
I don’t want to get into ukraine again except to say that, as they face the above conditions, most Americans don’t see it like you do. We’re paying for ukrainian pensions while we can’t heat our homes. People are mad about that. Ignore it at your peril.
And, again you bring up Trump, when Biden isn’t running against him yet. The race is still to find the best Democratic candidate. Is he really the best the Dems can do?
Biden is a successful president.
No one in the GOP lineup is his equal. Trump is far and away the front runner. Do you prefer Pence? Tim Scott? Nikki Haley?
In the real world, these are the choices. I prefer Biden over all of them.
Since when are Pence, Scott or Haley Democrats? I’ve made my question clear and you keep deflecting with Republicans. The Republicans aren’t relevant until next summer. Now is the time to pick the best Democrat. Are you seriously saying Biden is the best choice among Democrats?
Biden is the President. Anyone who wants to challenge him can run in the primaries. I will support the Democratic candidate. I can’t think of anyone better qualified than Biden. The point I made in my previous comment was that the election will come down to the Democratic candidate vs. the Republican candidate. Given a likely choice between Biden and any of the Republicans who are running, my vote is for Biden.
Washington DC has been, and will always be, a tough place to get things done. What Biden has done effectively is maintain enough relationships to get legislative action. Has this been ideal? No, and it never will be. The one policy that Obama effectively carried out, albeit through executive action, was a small caveat in a budget plan that allowed solar energy to become competitive. The Republicans tried to focus on one failed company, Solyndra, as proof that Obama’;s energy policy was a failure. Yet, today green energy is growing exponentially. Obama had very little success with Congress, beyond a watered down ACA, as a young charismatic President. I don’t see potential Democratic presidential candidates who can move a divided Congress the way Biden has. George Will used to say that the greatest myth in American politics is the Imperial Presidency that voters fall for every four years, this is one of the few things Mr. WIll and I would agree on. The key to the future of this country is thoroughly defeating an autocratic Republican Party with the hopes that what comes out of the ashes is a party that follows the will of the people. This means the focus of progressives should be on state legislatures and Congress. Much that Biden has not gotten done is due to an autocratic movement that wants to burn everything down. Although Biden’s administration has not achieved many of the progressive goals I would like, he remains the most progressive administration since LBJ. The result of Biden’s policies will take years to realize and could never happen if we continue to, as Voltaire implied, “make perfect the enemy of the good.”
A president is not a god. There were a lot of things FDR didn’t get done either and most of his New Deal policies excluded African American, yet he is considered among the most successful presidents in history. While fighting a Civil War that led to the end of slavery, Lincoln established many policies that helped move America toward the inequalities of the Gilded Age. Biden has moved an otherwise ineffective legislature to actually legislate. The infrastructure bill, the Inflation Act ( that is actually a climate bill), a significant COLA for Social security, a chips act, and, not to mention, funding that temporarily reduced the number of children in poverty helping millions get through the pandemic. So you only got $1400 dollars instead of $2000? We live in a democratic republic that requires compromise. Much of the mess we are dealing with now comes from a Republican Party that does not want to compromise, yet Biden quietly worked behind the scenes to get things done. Biden has been the most effective president in my adult lifetime because he has moved many dials that few thought could be moved. Is he perfect, no. Is his education policy stuck in the “bipartisan” mire, yes. Is immigration still a mess, certainly. Although I like how the bench in the Democratic Party is developing, I don’t see a candidate who could swim with Washingtons sharks as well as Biden.
My greatest frustration in these decades of bad federal education policy is that none of the administrations of the “standards” era have stopped to reflect and see that this effort has been a failure. The Department of Education simply continues about its merry way going to the same sources with the same wrong headed policies.
I know. And it’s no coincidence that those same boneheaded “sources” are also “sources” of major campaign donations. And they contribute to both major parties.
Lotta gold in them thar hills.
I used to rail about having to vote for the lesser of two evils, but have since softened my tone. If my viewpoint opposes that of another and both sides have thought out and discussed their ideas; then compromise is necessary. Crucial, really, in a democracy.
But education is an area that crosses that boundary. Without a sound education that includes components in civics and critical thinking; powerful interests can easily sway public opinion. Selfishness, rigidity, and “might makes right” becomes the norm.
I’m a big fan of the podcast, The Problem with Jon Stewart. In one episode Jon Stewart interviews Cardona. At the end, Stewart said he thinks we should focus on the basics in kindergarten, reading and math. He said no recess. Now I typically agree with Jon, but I almost threw my phone after that comment that was basically made by someone who was uninformed on the issue of learning. The misinformation propagated by the education mediasphere is deep and wide. I tried to reach out to Stewart to no avail. I think he would be one who could be turned.
Jon Stewart is wonderful and super smart. I was on his TV show twice. Where we totally disagreed was that he believed that “the problem” with the schools is unions. But he listens. I wish I knew how to get in touch with him. The video of him smacking down Tucker Carlson several years back is priceless.
what I find compelling about Jon Stewart is that he is dogged in showing a light on corruption and he is open minded. I think him, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and many on the daily show might be the most important interviewers we have now. It think he would listen if we convinced him to have a conversation with those who work in the schools. He said in the podcast I mention that he wants to take on education.
Dienne– “Stumbling over a word or two” is not necessarily to be expected of one who stuttered in youth. I’m no expert on what is, but I suspect lingering effects vary widely among individuals. Let’s just compare young Biden to old Biden.
There are plenty of videos at youtube, CSPAN, et al of Biden speech throughout his career. I browsed a few from ’73, ’87, ’93, ’97 and noticed these things. Frequent slurring and rushing one word into the next. Often re-phrases, corrects, or even repeats a few words at beginning of sentence or mid-sentence. Occasionally, slight stutter on initial consonant [e.g., “m-managing”]. His volume tends to go down during the rephrasing/ repeating, which suggests buying time to get control of his speech. He also seemed to deliberately pace himself by periodically interjecting a wide smile and pausing. [These are all subtle things, but if it’s a long delivery, fast forward to near-end and they are more pronounced. Also: they are far more noticeable in encounters with press, or in speeches to the general public, than in addresses to smaller groups, e.g. appearances at colleges or at conferences of experts.]
I compared to recent videos. The same mannerisms are more frequent now. But the most salient difference is in what I think must be energy level. His intensity is the same, but his volume is somewhat lower, his delivery a little slower [it was never fast]. I didn’t come across examples of losing place & taking excess time to recover it, but I don’t doubt it. The thing is, as a frequent CSPAN viewer I see examples of this very regularly among Congressmen of varying ages delivering remarks from prepared pieces.
Post a video of young Biden you think is comparable.
Let’s hold up Obama as the epitome of “young” leadership. Sure Obama was cool, a general nice guy, down to earth, very polite and mannerly and very statesman-like. He came into a crisis and then hired on an administration of “young” leadership to oversee the financial crisis and bring “hope and change”. What did we get? The banks got a slap on the wrist for causing the housing crisis and good people lost their homes (the banks are at their game, still). Arne Duncan came in and disrespected teachers/parents and “reformed” education through the tech industry. Emmanuel was a disaster then went back to Chicago and closed schools. The tech industry was granted the rights to everything and is now out of control. Sure, we got ACA (RomneyCare) which has really not delivered anything but more privatization of healthcare at the expense of those funding it…the taxpayers.
Sorry….I’ll take Bernie Sanders, Senator Whitehouse, Elizabeth Warren, or even a Joe Manchin (in a pinch) over some young buck any day!
We have a simple method of determining fitness to serve in elected office, the ballot box, we should widen access, automatic absentee ballot, explore voting by cell phone, voter registration with a high school diploma- not the current Republican attempts to narrow access
In the red states, dozens of laws have been passed to narrow access to the vote.
The attack on gerontocracy” is entirely political, helped by a complicit media.
Why are there never questions about Trump’s age? Rupert Murdoch is 92!! 92! Why isn’t there a constant clamor for him to hand over all power? Bernie’s age wasn’t an issue, but had he been the Dem candidate running against a younger Republican, age would be presented as the vital issue of the day.
Age is as phony an issue as the deficit. If Pete Buttigieg was running against Trump, age would never be mentioned, and Buttigieg would be excoriated for bringing it up, just like Mondale did with Reagan. The right wing tried to get so many negative things to stick to Biden, and they finally got the media to bite on “age”, even though Trump demonstrates at every single appearance how old and deluded he is.
Age is very important if the Democrat is old. Age is absolutely irrelevant if the Republican is old.
The deficit is irrelevant if a Republican runs it sky high. The deficit is very important if a Democrat doesn’t make it disappear.
If you tell me the candidates, I can tell you whether the media will decide “age” is of vital importance. If you tell me which party has the presidency, I can tell you whether the media will decide “the deficit” is of vital importance or irrelevant. Or unemployment. Or inflation.
Yeah, the deficit gets important but somehow not the fact that the Democrats are the only ones who reduce its rate of growth. It balloons with the Republicans. It is beyond me how someone can look at what Biden has accomplished and say he has done a poor job. Why is it that the media picks up talking points to delegitimize a very successful president?
The right wing media reports right wing talking points. The so-called liberal media reports right wing talking points with a disclaimer that “Democrats disagree”.
And sometimes we are guilty ourselves because we blame the Democrats for not getting their message out. We amplify the narrative of their incompetency, which voters hear, too.
I do it myself. But sometimes I see that the Democrats have tried over and over again to get their own narratives out — and their own narratives happen to be true! — and at most they are a one day story and forgotten (no follow up) while the media reports endlessly about whatever the right wing narrative is.
I now criticize the incompetency of the so-called liberal news media, not the candidates. The “NYT pitchbot” twitter feed is incredible. He posts fake NYT headlines that satirize the reporting the so-called liberal media (especially certain prominent “highly respected” journalists) does, and then he posts brand new NYT articles that could have been one of his satirical headlines! It’s funny except it’s completely depressing and discouraging. The actually NYT headlines are sometimes more satirical that his fake ones, but they are viewed as truth. Which is why the Dems can’t get any positive messages out.
Diane: in a comment on another thread, you mentioned an upcoming book. Did I read that right?
I am working for a guy who is 80. We are building him a house. He is doing the plumbing, sweating beautiful copper joints.
Trust me. 85 is nothing. My Daddy had a first cousin. He hurt himself real bad when he was 95. He fell off the barn roof while he was fixing it. Stayed off his feet for a couple of days.
I lost my good friend, Rod, at 72 last weekend. Liver cancer. It ain’t how old you are; it’s what gets wrong with you.
Thanks, Roy, I’m working on memoirs. Mine.
Didn’t Plato, in his “Republic,” advocate for what we might call a gerontocracy due to their wisdom gained with age and experience? I have to confess that at times I have been concerned about Biden’s age, not due to his acuity, but because of the energy required to be President. Perhaps my greater concern is that there has not been adequate effort to build what Pelosi called a bench. I was thoroughly impressed by the performance of those on the January 6th and impeachment committees. I think the new minority leadership in the House shows that we have younger members ready to take leadership. The problem with electoral politics is the addiction that comes with power that causes people to stay too long. I think what needs to be encouraged among those in Washington is an awareness of their capacity. Feinstein is definitely struggling, McConnell has a serious heart condition, Grassly warned that IRS agents are going to show up at our doors with AR 15s for goodness sake…I’m 63 and retired in some part because I realized I was not sustaining the energy needed to run a school, and by most standards I would be considered in great shape. I hope I have the wisdom to contribute in other ways. All of this being said, Biden has done a great job and his experience is a big factor. We never really know the capacity of a president until he or, someday, she is in office. Agism should be avoided, but we have to be aware of the limits that come with age.
I have been very happy to hear that Biden spends virtually every weekend (when not traveling) at home in Delaware. Best medicine to avoid burnout/ exhaustion. Yet amazed that he can withstand so much flying/ traveling. Wikipedia shows 72 trips in 2022 alone [excluding Camp David, MD and DE], of which several were to other countries/ territories. Rather extraordinary for a 79/80 y.o.
Yes – Biden is amazing!
I can completely understand the fear that someone who is Biden’s age might be more likely to die before the end of his term.
But that’s not what the nasty innuendo about Biden’s age is all about. Instead, the innuendo claims that RIGHT NOW, Biden is an incompetent dolt who is too demented to be president.
There is this insidious criticism that is being pushed by the typical Dem haters. They don’t talk about Biden not finishing out his term. They talk about Biden’s so-called incompetency rendering Biden unfit for office, period.
That’s why Trump’s age isn’t talked about. Age isn’t about age – it is code word for saying that Biden is CURRENTLY incompetent, right now suffering cognitive effects, he can’t make it through a prepared speech even with a teleprompter, his high dysfunction is obvious to all.
I think the Republicans are still deeply afraid of having to run against Biden, just like they were in 2020. Biden is hard to smear – the public just never fell for the “Hunter Biden means Joe Biden is a crook” smears. Voters LIKE Joe Biden. And what’s even worse for the Republicans, they TRUST Joe Biden, and “trust” is money in the bank in politics.
Right wingers have been desperate to get voters to stop trusting Joe. Their attacks on his character didn’t work. So the new tactic is to scare voters into believing likeable Joe is just too demented and cognitively impaired to be president. That will only work if we let it. (as in conceding that Biden is very cognitively impaired, but…..)
“The problem with electoral politics is the addiction that comes with power. . . ”
That addiction is money.
The only reason to have a young president is if you’re making a Hollywood blockbuster about fighting terrorists who take over the White House or flying fighter jets to battle aliens from outer space. I discriminate openly against money. I would feel disgusted with myself if I ever voted for candidates because of age, physical appearance, gender, last name, race, religion, or anything other than their work histories and agendas. Young or old doesn’t matter. I make a conscious effort to discriminate only against billionaires, and that’s really because of their histories and agendas. I also don’t vote for movie stars or professional wrestlers. Comedians are okay. Anything, including gerontocracy, other than oligarchy is fine. Besides, the older I get, the better I am at multitasking. I can sneeze and pee at the same time! It’s awesome!
“Besides, the older I get, the better I am at multitasking. I can sneeze and pee at the same time! It’s awesome!”
I never thought of it that way! 🙂
I’d literally just echo what user ‘dienne77’ said. Feinstein is so impaired she can’t do her job. Neither can Joe Biden. Does anyone seriously think Joe Biden is making any major policy decisions? The guy can’t find a stage exit without help. Feinstein for all her experience, famously dressed down a crowd of children from the Sunrise Movement concerned about climate change. The look on these kids faces should be the look on every Democrat voters face.
So begin the attacks. For such an impaired guy, he has done a heck of a job getting things done.
I read an article that theorized a basic flaw in the Dems’ agenda:
They don’t trumpet their achievements.
So, even though people are taking advantage of and enjoying the benefits of the programs, they aren’t aware of exactly what it took to make it happen.
Exactly. Then there are those who are upset because he hasn’t gotten everything he would like (or they would like) and has has to make some compromises to get what he has. Very little gets done in politics that doesn’t involve compromise in a democratic society. Now if you favor unilateral action, well, vote for the fascists.
“For such an impaired guy, he has done a heck of a job getting things done.”
Exactly!!! And yet look at those here who are ALREADY parroting the specific memes that the Republicans have decided will work best to suppress enough Biden votes to carry the far right Republican over the line. And the Republicans really only have to win once, because once they have power again, they have no qualms about “shooting someone on Fifth Ave” if that’s required to keep it.
Are Dems ever going to have power again in Florida? Not for a long, long time, thanks to democracy supressing legislationl
Remember, it’s not about Biden’s age. The attacks are that Biden is incompetent NOW. He is a cognitive vegetable NOW. Biden is too impaired to be president NOW.
The right wing propaganda machine is very very good. Their target isn’t Fox News watchers – those folks are going to vote for Trump no matter what.
The target of right wing propaganda is those most likely to vote for Biden.
They want us to believe that the Republicans are telling the truth about Biden being a cognitive vegetable.
They want us to believe that Putin is telling the truth about decimating Ukraine “to fight Nazis.”
They want us to believe that Trump is telling the truth and all charges against him are “nothing burgers” that lying Dems and their media co-conspirators have invented.
Their main purpose to make right wing propaganda CREDIBLE. It doesn’t matter if we find it credible, we just have to treat the person spewing it as credible so that media can write endless stories about how credible people who just want to help the Dems win agree with Republicans that Biden is a cognitive vegetable.
For all that these concern trolls bash the Dems, even the most conservative Dems never joined in the smears that the Republicans kept making about John Fetterman being a cognitive vegetable. No self-described Dems were “concern trolling” here every day about how the Republicans are all telling the truth about Fetterman being a cognitive vegetable. No conservative Dems could be cited in news accounts to give credibility to the Republicans lies about Fetterman’s mental status.
There weren’t dozens of articles about how even many Democrats have “serious concerns” because Fetterman is the candidate and these Dems say that Republicans are absolutely correct that Fetterman is a cognitive vegetable.
If there had been, Fetterman would have lost. But Fetterman won because the ONLY people saying that Fetterman isn’t a viable candidate because he is a cognitive vegetables were partisan Republicans. So it had no legitimacy and the people who said that were not portrayed as “credible”.
A close friend of mine is of Japanese descent. He moved here as a 21 year old And has done very well for himself and family.
He loves the USA but, in the 40 years I’ve known him, has consistently lamented the lack of respect shown towards the elders. They should be honored and heeded. Saddens and surprises him to see it spreading in his home country, as well.
Thank you. G
Georganna Ahlfors, PhD
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Placitas, NM
”In this house we believe: no human is illegal, love is love, science is real, women’s rights are human rights, black lives matter, water is life, and kindness is everything.”
why is it okay for people to spew lies about Biden’s cognition here and completely misrepresent reality in order to smear someone they don’t like, but not ok for CNN to allow Trump to spew lies and completely represent reality in order to smear someone he doesn’t like? I think both are wrong. I think both are dangerous.
Chris Licht of CNN says “don’t blame me” and Biden haters here say “don’t blame me” and yet they amplify what isn’t true.
The CNN Trump show had 3.3 million viewers. Comments on this blog will be read by thousands of people. CNN violated the public trust by giving Trump an hour to spew lies and defame E. Jean Carroll (again). The network has not given that time to any other candidate. When the interviewer tried to correct him, he ignored her and talked over her. Even CNN’s media critic harshly criticized the program. It was free advertising for Trump.
On this blog, readers are free to comment as they wish. I do moderate comments. Sometimes I leave Trumpers on, other times—when they are vicious—I delete them.
I block pro-Putin comments, which I liken to pro-Stalin comments.
I block personal insults directed at me.
I have tried to stop the personal vendettas. There are two of them right now. One is between you and Dienne.
Dienne doesn’t like Biden. She has her reasons. I see no reason to prevent her from expressing them. Many Democrats have expressed the desire for a different candidate. That’s their view. That’s her view. It won’t change the outcome of the election.