Texas passed a law requiring schools to post signs saying “In God We Trust” in schools.
A prankster in Florida is raising money to donate these signs to Texas schools/-but in Arabic.
Will these signs be allowed?
As he rode his bike Sunday, longtime political prankster Chaz Stevens ruminated on a law that was irking him: A Texas statute requiring schools to post donated signs with the United States motto, “In God We Trust.”
Texas legislators, Stevens thought, were trolling people who don’t believe in a Judeo-Christian God.
Now, Stevens wants to troll them back.
The South Florida activist had raised more than $14,000 as of Thursday evening to distribute “In God We Trust” signs to public schools across Texas. The catch? The phrase is in Arabic.
“My focus,” Stevens said, “was how do I game the state of Texas with the rules?”
The Arabic text is meant to invoke Islam and some Christians’ discomfort with that faith, Stevens said. He’s hoping for even one school to hang up the poster — in his view, making a point about applying the controversial statute evenly to people of any religion or no religion.
But Stevens, a self-described “staunch atheist,” is also prepared to try to turn a loss into a win. If a school rejects his poster, he said, he plans to file a lawsuit and use the court case to challenge the statute itself.
Stevens’ stunt, previously reported in the Dallas Morning News, joins a history of challenges to the national motto that courts have consistently rejected. It also adds fuel to a political firestorm that in recent years has turned schools in Republican-led states into culture-war battlegrounds. Fights are erupting over book banning, how race and gender are taught, and religious practice on school grounds as politicians clash over what it means to be an American and who gets to decide.
Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes (R), who sponsored the sign law, said Stevens’s Arabic posters do not meet the statute’s requirements and would not have to be posted in schools. He pointed to quotation marks around the phrase “In God We Trust” to suggest that a school only has to hang a donated sign with those words in English.
“That’s all they’re required to do,” Hughes said. “But they are free to post other signs in as many languages as they want to.”
The law, which took effect last year, mandates that public schools display “in a conspicuous place in each building of the school” a sign with the national motto if the poster was donated or purchased with private donations. The sign also must include the U.S. flag and the Texas flag, and it “may not depict” any other words or images. The law does not explicitly state that the national motto must be in English.
Given the Christian zealots who now control the U.S. Supreme Court, Sen. Hughes might prevail.
Will the bozo legislatures outlaw math? Mathematical notation is based on Arabic script. Much of our basic numeral system is based on the Arabic system.
legislators not legislatures
Could be both when we see another state enact another absurd, idiotic law like the Texas one.
No, but they might, as the Indiana House of Representatives and Gun Club once did (in 1897), pass a resolution establishing that it is possible to square the circle (and, incidentally, to give a precise decimal value to pi). But it was already known, of course, from the Bible, which is inerrant, that the mathematicians were wrong and pi has the value of 3.0:
Then he made the sea of cast metal. It was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference. 1 Kings 7:23.
Great point.
Algebra also comes to us from the Islamic world.
Maybe they should ban that too.
Texans fan go back to doing long division with Roman numerals.
If they indeed believe in long division.
But maybe like algebra, that is the math of Satan.
Many of the Founding Fathers that wrote and/or signed the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution would probably not agree with forcing signs that say “In God We Trust” be placed anywhere but a religious building called a church, where the worshipers Trust in God to take care of them and answer their prayers for anything, since some of the principle Founders were Deists, including George Washington. They believed in a God but not in the Trust part.
Thomas Paine wrote, “I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and in endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.”
And, “The widespread existence in 18th-century America of a school of religious thought called Deism complicates the actual beliefs of the Founders. Drawing from the scientific and philosophical work of such figures as Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Isaac Newton, and John Locke, Deists argued that human experience and rationality—rather than religious dogma and mystery—determine the validity of human beliefs. In his widely read The Age of Reason, Thomas Paine, the principal American exponent of Deism, called Christianity ‘a fable.'”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214
Then there’s the irrefutable fact that Christianity started as a Jewish Sect during Jesus Christ’s life and for a few hundred hears after his death. And during Christ’s life, many Jews followed Christ’s teaching since he also was Jewish. They didn’t start a new religion. Jesus himself even said as much.
Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”).
I wonder if Diane Ravitch has pinged your IP address yet to get a location. But, in your case, “Sock puppet Daedalus that Lloyd thinks is a troll of some kind”, I’d recommend pinging that IP address several times over several days to see if the same location keeps coming up or different ones each pink.
“March 4, 2021
Everything You Should Know About VPNs and Anonymous Torrenting”
https://www.hotbot.com/blog/everything-you-should-know-about-vpns-and-anonymous-torrenting/
Oh, and if I ever did work for the CIA, as a former US Marine, combat vet and patriot, that takes the oath to defend the US Constitution seriously against all enemies foreign (Russia’s rasPutin) and domestic (Traitor Trump and his supporters), I hope that I served in the Special Activities Division (known as SAD) with a field team, but of course I never did. And if I had, I could never admit it.
Wiccan Translation?
🙂
It’s not a bad idea. Especially since it seems they can’t read English.
Members of the Texas Legislature and Gun Club do practice something that they call “reading.” So, for example, they can read the phrase “promote the general welfare” in the Constitution and interpret that. It means, “Allow 18-year-old incels to buy weapons with which they can murder 100 people in 4 minutes’ time” and “Refuse women the right to control over their own reproduction.”
This is a catch-22 for the school district! I like that.
Also – why wouldn’t they. Even Texas probably has a policy about public documents being accessible in multiple languages (I’d bet for sure their tax collection forms are)
So, like book burning and their other craziness, the is Already a process in place for people to complain about a book or curriculum and, wait for it… “parents rights.”
Why don’t these board presidents and superintendents shut this people off at the podium, hand them the policy and procedure, say thanks, and move on to real business?
Instead, they fuel the fire of “the schools do x and we need to stop it?” The media and districts turn it into a controversy that is already resolved.
(Of course, in Missouri, some districts have banned some books instead of holding firm. Ironically, a couple do appear (haven’t read them but seen some images) might not be appropriate and someone could have complained individually previously. And, the police forces have said they’ve got better things to do than enforce this law.
and there are so many gods: how about a sign for each one
Plaster the walls with them! In the Papuan Pig Goddess We Trust!
Texas has a lot of Gulen schools
In Gulen We Trust?
Not all people that speak Arabic are Muslim. Some Arabs are Christian. Gulenists are followers of the Muslim cleric Fetullah Gulen. The attempt of this man to post In God We Trust in Arabic in Texas public Gulen schools does have an interesting aspect. Yes, people in Turkey do not speak Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Quran.
The response of the Gulen school leaders will not be dull.
This will play into the narrative of culture war. To oppose the motto crowd, we should be talking about real issues. Let the idiots talk about BS.
One can easily slide into narrative here. But it’s a TRUE NARRATIVE. We are engaged in a war between cultures–that of most young people today and that of the regressive, backward Repugnican right. That narrative of culture war is merely an accurate, real-time autobiography of the country at present.
There is no real question, for example, about whether one can have a gender that differs from one’s sex. That’s obvious. There are existence proofs of this all around us. The real question is who will win the culture war–those who haven’t grokked the difference between sex and gender or those who have. Same is true with religion. Increasingly, young people in the U.S. and Europe think any religion, but especially established, or state-supported, religion, is a crock. There are those who grok that it’s a crock and those who don’t.
These sorts of differences define periods of dramatic CULTURAL change such as the one we are going through now. To say that what is happening is a culture war is simply REPORTING.
cx: think that any
Bob: you know I agree with you on the culture war. Still, i sometimes think the right want us talking about these issues to avoid talking about their failures where government is concerned. My concern is the finite amount of time the individual citizen can spend on political discourse. I prefer to spend that time on convincing voters who is trying to steal their money and ignore their children
That makes sense.
Let’s mandate prayer in school. Every religion recognized in America gets five minutes. How long before the Right starts screaming murder?
The “In God We Trust” in Arabic idea and this one are both hilarious.
Great idea. If every religion gets five minutes of prayer, that should take about two hours of class time. We can honor religious freedom while dumbing down kids.
Pretty soon, they will all be voting for Cruz the Ooze and A-butt!
There are apparently 221 recognized religions in the US so that means about 18 hours of prayer a day assuming five minutes per sect. Two generations of this and we can be assured that the entire South is totally and irreparably too stupid to survive.
That’s hilarious!
Expat
They already are too stupid to survive.
Hilarious, Expat!
Will they allow “In Satan we Trust” ?
The folks who insisted on putting a creche on the lawn of the Florida statehouse for Christmas now have to deal with having an equivalent installation by the Church of Satan, which features beer cans. Bret K. surely must approve of that alternative.
If it up to Brett, it would be “In Ebriation We Trust””
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/31/1120239381/texas-in-god-we-trust-arabic-signs-chaz-stevens?utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1XH6X_nGEBeQv_6f3KJf1vErBuGm9RVMsEqBprp1EhBa2L0ft6cw-S9QQ
Speaks volumes
How to Change a Lightbulb:
OMG Bob this is hilarious. Everyone should read it.
Gosh, thanks, Ginny!
On another matter, I have a question for the esteemed attendees of this salon:
Will our “Just Us” system allow Jabba the Trump slither away again, unscathed? Will the Teflon Don slide once more? Your thoughts?
The threat of potential violence in the wake of Trump’s conviction is no doubt bracing for law enforcement as it views this from the top.
He has to first be indicted before he us convicted.
And even if he were both indocted and convicted, it would be appealed znd eventually end up at the Supreme Court, where all laws go to die.
Taint going to happen.
Zero probability.
It’s all bark, no bite. Look what happened after all the revolutionary, successionist rhetoric leading up to the January 6th fiasco. Zip. The morons climbed back into their holes. The DOJ proceeded with its investigations, charges, and prosecutions.
It’s like a law of Nature.
Rocks fall down due to gravity and no matter what anyone claims, Presidents ARE above the law. And critically, so is the Supreme Court and has been ever since Chief Justice Marshall unilaterally claimed the power to declare laws and convictions unConstitutionsl.
Is the Supreme Court majority a bunch of religiously motivated hacks?
Was Jeffrey Epstein a victim of involuntary suicide?
Is the President above the law?
Are green plants green?
Is the Supreme Court above the law?
First question: They are motivated by more than just their tribal religious mythology. Second: it was entirely predictable that a guy with this much dope on that many powerful people wouldn’t survive to tell his tale. Third: Wouldn’t it be nice to think that the law is something more than whatever suits the whims of the rich and powerful this week? Fourth: They are perceived as such by a great many creatures, including the Third Chimpanzee.
Is the President above the law is not even a meaningful question when the Supreme Court can decide the law is whatever they want it to be.
Preach it, Brother SomeDAM!
We would be much better off if the Supreme Court were replaced by an AI expert system based on a neural network that had been trained on the Constitution and legal precedent.
It would be much less arbitrary then tgd current system.
The current Supreme Court is not arbitrary. It is politicized to agree with whatever Republicans prefer.
Amazing that they turned down Trump’s efforts to overturn the election, just because there was no evidence.
To say nothing of much more intelligent.
The Supreme Court decisions are arbitrary as far as the Constitution and precedent are concerned.
It does not matter what either of those say.
Utah has had this same law on the books for years.
Re: He will slither and all this bounce off of him – and potential for violence – until the bona fide Republicans have the gumption to stand up and speak. In the “history will show” department – these white men will go down in history as the real traitors. They are enablers, co-dependent, and spineless.
It is an embarrassment to see once respected whether you agree with them or not Senators and Representatives who say nothing or dance around a reporters question. Not one has stood up and said, “Stop it!” to the exPres or to the crazy people with guns and placards.
once respected whether you agree with them or not Senators and Representatives”
Which ones?
Respected by whom?
Surely night Aretha Franklin.
Not by Aretha
Haaaa!