Rep. Lauren Boebert, a Trump Republican from Colorado, apparently never took a class in civics, government or history and is an embarrassment to the Congress in which she serves. She won her primary on Tuesday. Boebert is a high school dropout who earned her GED in 2020, according to Wikipedia. She is a born-again Christian and a strident advocate of guns; she and her husband own a restaurant—Shooters Grill in Rifle, Colorado,where staff are encouraged to carry guns. From the following report, which appeared in the Washington Post, it is certain that she is ignorant about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers.
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.)…says she is “tired” of the U.S. separation of church and state, a long-standing concept stemming from a “stinking letter” penned by one of the Founding Fathers.
Speaking at a religious service Sunday in Colorado, she told worshipers: “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”
She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.
The Constitution’s First Amendment, which states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” has been widely interpreted to mean the separation of church and state — although the phrase is not explicitly used.
Gwen Calais-Haase, a political scientist at Harvard University, told The Washington Post that Boebert’s interpretation of the Constitution was “false, misleading and dangerous.” Calais-Haase said she was “extremely worried about the environment of misinformation that extremist politicians take advantage of for their own gains.”
Steven K. Green, a professor of law and affiliated professor of history and religious studies at Willamette University, agreed, saying, “Rep. Boebert is wrong on both matters.”
“While the phrase separation of church and state does not appear verbatim in the Constitution, neither do many accepted constitutional principles such as separation of powers, judicial review, executive privilege, or the right to marry and parental rights, no doubt rights that Rep. Boebert cherishes,” wrote Green, the author of “Separating Church and State: A History.”
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This begs so many obvious predictable responses.
She’s an idiot.
She couldn’t pass a citizenship test (but most Americans wouldn’t… have you seen one of those?) (Not to mention what it costs an immigrant applicant).
Whose religion?
If the church directs the government? Any church..Eastern… Islamic… Jewish… Mormon… Jim Jones’ Peoele’s Church.
All.predictable.
But was should SCARE everyone is people vote for this woman!
When she’s gone they still vote.
That’s where schools need to get our act together!
Why would anyone in their right mind decide in that Pearson, a failing company from Great Britain, be the architect of the US Citizenship test? https://longmanhomeusa.com/blog/considering-the-new-citizenship-exam/ BTW, Pearson and Longman are now Pearson/Longman. We know that Pearson plays gatekeeper to make money by failing people to make more money. Maybe elected representatives should have to pass the test?
For context, she’s from a deep-red kinda-outback district in a reliably blue state. CO voted HRC in ’16, Biden in ’20, by decent margins. Their Senators are both Dems; their House Reps are divided 3 Reps/ 3 Dems [and AFAIK neither of the other 2 Rep Congressmen are awful?]
She’s like the Elise Stefanik of CO. As a person raised in NYS I’m ashamed of Stefanik, sorry she has a platform for her assholularness, but glad she’s not what NYS is all about.
Diane First impression, pun intended: OMG.
But these scholars are oh-so-right, which makes Boebert not only misinformed but, as an elected politician, extremely dangerous (pun intended again). She will capture with her loud stupidity, every self-described religious person who also didn’t somehow gain a good civics education.
I do wish, however, that these political scientists would also state the fact that EDUCATION is not stated but is also implicit in the very idea of democracy.
“Power in the People” (demo krasis) suggests that, if democracy is to work, “The People” (who vote and make decisions) have to understand what the freedoms of democracy mean (as distinct from other forms of government and from religion [ahem]), and what the heck they are doing about it, in the first place. Also, “freedom of speech” is not about saying whatever is our impulse du jour but rather implies a listener and a DIALOGUE where higher viewpoints and horizons are potential to for the gain of all speakers and hearers.
The whole of education over the last 100+ years (at least in the US) can be depicted as the push-back of excellent teachers against the forces that have drained out of education its fuller set of meanings, leaving only what meets with capitalist-only and undeveloped personal (tribal) principles. Trump and Boebert are merely fine examples of this warped and dangerous movement of thought. CBK
Love, love your pun on “extremely dangerous,” CBK!!!
Bob Aw, . . . shucks. Thanks. CBK
Here’s another funny I picked up from the comment thread at the WaPo article: they’re calling Boebert “Notorious GED.”
HAAAAA!!!!
I wonder if Brain-Dead Boebert knows that there isn’t one church or religious sect in the United States. She must be talking about her church.
Her profile lists her as a Christian but doesn’t identify which sect.
“Estimations show there are more than 200 Christian denominations in the U.S. and a staggering 45,000 globally, according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity.”
“Followers of Jesus span the globe. But the global body of more than 2 billion Christians is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist — the list goes on. … A cursory look shows that differences in belief, power grabs and corruption all had a part to play.”
https://www.livescience.com/christianity-denominations.html
So, it is apparent that Brain-Dead Boebert is talking about the Christian sect she belongs to and she thinks her sect should grab power and control the country.
It’s also apparent that Brain-Dead Boebert isn’t referring to the other religions in the US. She’s talking about the sect she belongs to.
That means there are more than 200 other Christian denominations in the U.S. only make up about 70% of the population, that do not count. The other 30% belong to other religions or are atheists.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
If Brain-Dead Boebert’s Christian sect is lumped under Evangelical Christians, that sect make up about 25%, or 1 in 4 Christians, in the U.S.
“In the United States, evangelicalism is a movement among Protestant Christians who believe in the necessity of being born again, emphasize the importance of evangelism, and affirm traditional Protestant teachings on the authority as well as the historicity of the Bible. Comprising nearly a quarter of the US population, evangelicals are a diverse group drawn from a variety of denominational backgrounds, including Baptist, Mennonite, Methodist, Holiness, Pentecostal, Reformed and nondenominational churches”
I wonder what Evangelical denomination Brain-Dead Boebert belongs to that she thinks should rule the United States.
Lloyd, Love it:
“It’s also apparent that Brain-Dead Boebert” isn’t referring to the other religions in the US. She’s talking about the sect she belongs to.
ENTER: an historical replay of our own version of the religious wars, which is exactly WHY secularity (not secularism) is so essential to whatever peace we can have in the world.
As an aside, that Texas group of Christians that comes up here sometimes, and that understands the above, knows what’s going on with Boebert. CBK
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blockquote>The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”
She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.”
“Gwen Calais-Haase, a political scientist at Harvard University, told The Washington Post that Boebert’s interpretation of the Constitution was “false, misleading and dangerous.”
Ya think?
Naw, can’t be Aunt B
The Born again nitwit
A born again nitwit
An nitwit that’s squared
To which even idyit
Can not be compared
SomeDam and Lloyd . . . where was a good abortion when we needed one.
(did I write that?) CBK.
Lloyd,
Does your comment beg the question, “Which religious sects are working to break down separation of church and state and then, with that information, should the ones that are politically successful be named or should they receive the protection of anonymity?
Linda There is seeded in EVERY un-tempered selfish, controlling person the seeds of totalitarianism. All religions are “peopled” with all sorts of developmental moments, stumped, misguided, really screwy, and/or famously decent tracks.
With that in mind, I think your focus is way off target . . . and that doesn’t include my earlier comments about both agreements AND noted bias, efforts to mislead, and extremism. CBK
Yes, Linda. Someone on the comment thread at the WaPo article wanted to blame all on Evangelists— trying to say the Establishment Clause had something to do with anti-Catholicism [an anachronism], but the main message was ‘she’s trying to push her religion down our throats.’ My response was along the lines of, yes but… she has nothing to fear from non-Christian religions, they’re under 5% of the population despite all the recent immigration from Asia/ So Asia/ N Africa etc. All “she” [Boebert & her like] has to do is convince us their fundamentalist sect = “Christianity.” And that 30% fundamentalists are one thing, but keep in mind that at least half of Catholics are joined at the hip– evangelists joined hands with them decades ago & work with them on the key issues they have in common– anti-abortion, anti-same-sex marriage, anti-LGBTQ, anti-contraception. [Plus Catholics have USCCB hierarchy pushing for publicly-funded religious schools, not to mention billionaire Leonard Leo running the Federalist Society we have to thank for 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS] That bumps the combo up to at least 40%.
But we need to keep this in perspective. It’s only 40% of church-going, observant, religious voters. They are frankly dropping like flies. 53% of the populace doesn’t even belong to a church, temple, or mosque. Americans self-identifying as Christians dropped from 75% to 63% just in the last decade– during the same period, “religiously unaffiliated” grew by 10%. So I think we have reason to hope.
Some professor at Gorden Theological Seminary studied this and concluded that there were approximately 39,000 different Christian denominations. Whew. When people ask me if I believe in God, I say, “Which one?” But even within this one religion, my Lord, many more varieties than Heinz or flavors than Baskin Robbins, by several orders of magnitude.
And people generally won’t kill you over your choice of ketchup. Though someone recently DID kill a Subway worker for too much mayonnaise.
cx: Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary
Bob: arguably each congregation in churches that only loosely associate with other churches would qualify as a denomination. If you ever hang around people in a church, you discover that major differences exist in both eschatology and ethics. All that’s Baptist is not Baptist.
Lloyd, Linda, and CBK– if I might strike a middle road, I think Lloyd is muddying the issue by speaking of 200 Christian denominations in this context [the # of religious sects that want to bend the law in their direction]. Pew has Evangelicals at 1 in 4; I’ve read other sources calling it 1 in 3, so we’re talking at leat 50+ of those 200 sects. Then you have “1” sect [RC] that’s close to 20% of the religious populace. Acknowledging that RCs split about 50-50 conservative-liberal, that’s 10% conservative RC’s pushing against church-state separation, equivalent to 20 sects numerically. Total = 70 church-over-state sects, or 35+ % of all Christians.
Self-identifying Christians these days have decreased to 63% of Americans. 35% of them are in-your-face church-over-state “religious freedom” types, which still only amounts to 22% of US voters. There’s another 41% non-aggressive Christians, plus you’ve got 30% non-religious; total 93%… 7% left over, hmm. 4-5% are non-Christians. I guess there’s another 2%-3% “I don’t know”s, who presumably do not place church above Constitution.
So it’s the 22%-folks [Boebert included] who are fighting to batter down Jefferson’s wall between church and state. We could look at them as the rigid ideologues unlikely to respond to any argument. Why waste agita on them?
I’m thinking it would be more productive to focus political persuasion on the rest of the Republican vote. The popular vote in 2016 was 49% Rep; in 2020 it was 48% Rep. Assuming 22% religious nutjobs, there are another 27%-28% Rep voters who are “merely” 1%-10% income-level types hoping for tax breaks, or working/ middle-class mistakenly thinking Reps can boost the economy [plus a few libertarians, the true small-gov believers]. The middle group could be appealed to.
But mainly we need to get out the damn Dem vote, which is already a 51%-52% popular majority. And between now & ‘22/ ’24 elections, push all our Dem elected officials toward anything that can make a difference. But what would that be? We talk about getting rid of the filibuster, but how would that be accomplished given our numbers in the Senate?
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Your middle ground, focused on seats in pews, ignores the funding and apparatuses of a sect(s) that implements right wing policy by influencing legislation and filling courts with conservatives.
I recognize you like to find solace with your statistics which, btw, accompanied the decisions in Roe, Biel, Kennedy, Espinosa, Makin, etc., all of which happened in the past two years, refuting 50 or more years of precedent. Be truthful about Pew’s 63%. The U.S. power structure is largely White.
A person doesn’t need to try very hard to find an example of a country that has faithful, apolitical poor people (and, their fellow citizens who aren’t faithful) stuck by their faith in a power structure that keeps them poor.
The Gates-funded study at Georgetown Catholic University which you described as broad brush in an earlier comment is a strategic plan. The report identified poor, the religious and STEM students as inclined toward authoritarianism. We see in the comments at this blog that the religious predictably want an immunity card for their religion. Your framing is along the same lines, we can ignore the tentacles of the Church into every part of the political process because ….
Linda As I have said here many times before, the Church as well as the fascist oligarchs among us, are overreaching, most evident in the present cabal at the Supreme Court.
However, the religious among us already have an “immunity card” insofar as we all have the freedom to exercise it. It’s called the U. S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. CBK
Linda– I do love researching stats. It’s like working on a puzzle. But truth be told, the main reason I do it is because my mind (unlike Diane’s) doesn’t “cut to the chase.” I have to crawl all over related info to figure out my own take, what makes sense to me, etc. Consider them an invitation to add more/ countering info. [I think you do.] Because I’m aware I may be missing something obvious 😉 Case in point, in re-reading my post above, I saw there’s a hole there: I’m treating the “Republican vote” as though it reflects the breakdown of population by religion—gotta be wrong on that.
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Thanks for providing insights for readers like me into the processes of your analyses. It’s helpful in understanding. I often find what you write interesting. Have you found studies about abstract thinking or the Myer Briggs personality profile (sensors v. intuitors) provide any descriptions of value to you?
Citing a personal note about me, I laughed when a commenter described my writing as so stilted he assumed English was my 2nd language. I most definitely didn’t self-analyze that as one of my flaws.
Although, it is fair. I was mocked yesterday for asking if the person had affected the repair. “Is it fixed,” would have been more American.
Religious Tolerance Ends When Religions Become Intolerant
I find your religious adherence to this adage intolereligiont.
Great punch line from German comic: I’m all for tolerance. When a hippie gets his head bashed in by the cops, he tolerates it!
Jon-
The religious expect immunity cards for their religious sects while those sects take away civil rights..
I lived in Grand Junction, Colorado, (known on the other (eastern) side of the Rockies as “Grand Junkyard”) for about eighteen months in 1998 and 1999. That the voters of that city and environs would send an imbecile like Boebert to Congress surprises me not one bit.
Some years ago I experienced camera difficulty on Grand Mesa and ended up down inGrand Junction with a guy working on it who had been raised in Dyersburg, TN.
To some extent, I bet Brobert’s election is the result of the strange alliance between long-time residents and new migrants. People are moving in our time based on their politics
Absolutely, Roy, and well observed. Even in the short time I was there, I noticed the trend you described well underway. That’s why I left. But Grand Mesa is something else, isn’t it? I spent a lot of time up there riding my bike.
Did you ever do any mountain biking in and around Moab?
When I lived in Salt Lake in the eighties and nineties, i spent a lot of time hiking and biking around that area.
It’s quite amazing, though it has changed a lot over the years, especially since the first time I was there in 1980, before mountain bikes even existed. Back then , Moab was still a depressed mining town.
Hiking, but not mountain biking. I went over to Moab several times during my sojourn in Grand Junction. A dazzling place, which I’d wanted to see since I read Edward Abbey’s books while in high school. I did a lot of mountain and road biking on the Grand Mesa, and the area around Fruita, Colorado, just east of Grand Junction.
I was also fond of Ed Abbey’s writing. Still am. Desert Solitaire and Down the River are two of my favorites.
I spent many a glorious day getting lost in the fins of the Fiery Furnace at Arches and did several extended mountain bike trips in Canyonlands (one on the Schaefer trail, which switchbacks down the shear cliff from Island in the sky to the White Rim of the Colorado river and another weeklong jeep supported sojourn into the Maze District). I also spent Christmas day in Arches once, one
But I never made it over to Grand Mesa, which sounds quite spectacular.
Just writing about it gives me an urge to go back to Moab, but in the back of my mind, I also fear seeing the inevitable outcome of subsequent Syphilization, as Abbey called it.
All To my note above, add that “freedom of speech” is also tacitly related to the washing out of extreme factions that comes up in several of the “Federalist Papers.”
That “washing out” is tacitly embedded in the machinations of slow but thoughtful, even bureaucratic, government and law. This and other forms of discourse, however, are understood by course religionists, e.g., Boebert, as the falderal of the “elite.”
She and Margorie should make great friends as they both quite literally suck. I wonder if either one read the headlines across the nation today. CBK
She’s probably going to lose that restaurant soon. The building’s new owner has informed her that her lease will not be renewed.
https://www.salon.com/2022/06/23/lauren-boeberts-shooters-restaurant-kicked-out-after-new-landlord-cites-moral-imperative-report_partner/
She already lost something far more important: her mind.
Tell me Grasshopper, how can one lose what one has never had?
In the absence of knowledge about her earlier history, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt.
But maybe I was wrong to do so.
Always remember, Grasshopper, that kind of stupidity cannot be faked. It is genuine and deep (or, I guess, shallow in this case).
“Boebert is a high school dropout who earned her GED in 2020, according to Wikipedia.”
And so what?
Look, Boebert is a right-wing nut job and we probably don’t agree on the time of day (not that any of you will notice that sentence), but when you demean people based on education, what most of the country hears is elitist scorn for “stupid” people and, to put it mildly, it alienates an awful lot of potential voters.
My husband grew up dirt poor in Ghana and wasn’t able to complete high school. My roommate got into gang issues/trouble with the law and chose to drop out. My best friend was thrown out of his family at age 14 because of being gay – he eventually got his high school equivalency. Those are three of the kindest and also sharpest people I know. But I guess to you folks, they’re just uneducated, unworthy deplorables, right?
And for the record, my husband has voted Democrat in every election since he got his citizenship in 2009 but even he’s disgusted with them and may not vote Democrat this year. My roommate doesn’t vote at all as nothing changes for him no matter which party is in charge (he’s Puerto Rican if that matters). My best friend was a life-long Republican up until 2016 when he couldn’t stomach Trump and voted Libertarian (are you upset that his third-party vote “pulled votes from Trump”?); he voted Green in 2020. He’s a self-described southern redneck, which I guess automatically makes him evil.
Why would dienne77 say that every single “self-described southern redneck” is evil?
dienne77, why do you believe your friend is so evil just because he is working class and southern? What is wrong with you?
You are the one who brought up a belief that your “southern redneck” friend would be considered evil. That is very revealing that your mind went there, and no one else’s did.
Trump often uses that kind of language too, to lie. “Other people say this…” is a very typical way Trump used in order to amplify an abhorrent or dishonest lie he wanted people to believe.
We don’t say your friend is evil. You did.
Your husband is disgusted with Alexandria Ocasia Cortez? With the squad? They “disgust” him?
I don’t know why you consider all southern rednecks evil, but if you keep posting that you consider all southern rednecks evil, you should justify your attack on southern rednecks with evidence.
And if you were just projecting your own beliefs on other people, then own them. You see evil in places where no one else but far right racists do, and you never see evil in folks like Boebert or Trump.
Calling people who foment hate “nut jobs”? Was Hitler a “nut job”? Yet you never use words like “nut jobs” to refer to Dems — you pull no punches in pushing the false narrative that Dems are a huge danger to this country.
Boebert is more than a nut job. She is representative of a political party that you normalize and condone and your attacks only on Democrats empower.
Boebert opines on the Constitution. She is very stupid. Her comments were stupid.
As Forest Gump said, “Stupid is as stupid does” or a version of that
“Stupid is as stupid says”
Dienne, there is a difference between being uneducated and being stupid. An uneducated person can get educated. Stupid is probably forever. Boebert is stupid.
Lots of uneducated people are responsible, kind and decent. Most of the ELL parents I have known fall into that category. Lack of education does not imply lack of ethics. We have also seen many educated people that are morally repugnant.
Cruz, DeSantis, Hawley and other dangerous people have Ivy League degrees.
Diane and All THIS MORNING we are seeing the power of oligarchs, CEO’s, other corporate interests in the decisions in the Supreme Court. They are limiting the power of government agencies to regulate carbon emissions and many other issues that influence PUBLIC well-being not only here, but worldwide. The power, of course, returns to Congress, which is mostly blocked by . . . guess what . . . oligarchs, CEO’s, and other corporate interests. CBK
This is yet another reactionary decision. Allows big biz to pollute the environment. No thought to the future.
Question:
Is the Court majority evil or stupid? Or both?
retired teacher “Lots of uneducated people are responsible, kind and decent. Most of the ELL parents I have known fall into that category. Lack of education does not imply lack of ethics. We have also seen many educated people that are morally repugnant.”
You are talking about my own mother. She was not very well-educated by today’s standards, but she was a highly moral person: “responsible, kind, and decent.” That’s education, but not in what we think of education today? If that’s the case, the logic goes, people who are immoral but have a “good education” today, may have just never had a good family or other influences outside of formal education where ethics is sporadic at best and “thin” anyway . . . then there’s TV and movies and video games when they are not at school. Also, I’ve seen people grown up in horrible backgrounds who turn out to be highly sensitive and ethically minded.
The upshot is that I think your note reflects what “education” means, but in a broader context that includes many years being socialized and “cultured” in a family setting, and influences that occur outside of what might we mean by formal education today, meaning K-12 and beyond and where the arts, literature, history, and social sciences are reduced in the curriculum in favor of STEM and filling in bubble blanks. (That might say allot about what’s missing today.)
Also, a couple of years back, I visited a high school teacher’s classroom where he had examples of mathematics, science, history, and literature, and expectations of students from back in the 40’s and 50’s where those expectations were clearly much higher than his time of teaching when I visited there (about 15 years ago).
Thank you for reminding me of my mother. CBK
D77: you are correct. We should not disparage those who have taken a different path. It pushes them into the lap of the extremists.
I would add, however, that the lack of education in a public figure robs that representative of certain knowledge he must obtain somewhere else, often at the cost of some other activities.
May we disparage people who take a path that takes away the rights of people who overwhelmingly liked the rights they had?
Donald Trump is an example of a person with degrees who is ignorant and dangerous
Trump’s degrees were almost certainly fraudulently obtained.
I’m sure he paid people to do his schoolwork for him.
The guy confuses “origins” with “oranges”, for Lard’s sake.
I have a theory (based on well established physics) that explains the fact that so many Republicans seem to live in an alternate reality with Anti-Constitutions and the like.
They actually live in a universe populated with antimatter (antiprotons, antielectrons, anti atoms, antimokecules, even antipeople, anti-Senators, antiJustices , antiPresidents and even antiConstitutions.
Most physicists believe that it is impossible for antimatter to exist for more than a very brief time in proximity with matter because, according to their theories, the two would annihilate, but I believe they are missing something from their theories that allows this to occur right here in the US.
Because it clearly IS occuring.
No multimillion dollar particle accelerator is necessary to see that.
What we have is anti-America existing right alongside America.
And though, for some yet unknown reason, mutual annihilation has not yet occurred, there is still a very distinct possibility that it might happen in the future. Perhaps due to an instability in the spacetime continuum brought on by an instability in people like Boebert.
I call it the Anti-Parallel Universe Theory (APUT)
A non-scientific explanation is that they live in a right wing bubble and surround themselves with misinformation, conspiracy theories and hateful rhetoric. Some of them are setting up gated right wing communities because they are so intolerant of the rest of us, and these “true believers” cut across socio-economic groups.
Well, your theory is certainly possible, but, with all due respect, think my theory is much more probable.
On second thought, maybe the two theories can actually be merged into a single scientific theory.
Your concept of a “bubble” may actually a real physical phenomenon that keeps the anti-matter and matter separated and hence prevents annihilation.
Perhaps we could work together on this Nobel worthy theory.
Intriguing theory, SomeDAM? But can’t this be explained by simple Stupidity/Wisdom Complementarity? It’s all in the observer. Trump actually looks a lot like Rambo. And Jesus loves his Ruger 10/22.
I have seen life size photos of Trump-as-Rambo at Trump venues like the NRA. The make-believe Trump has a slim, muscular body, not a big flabby stomach.
Welcome to the Alt Fact Universe! The Unverse? Inverse?
Ha ha ha
Or maybe the Antiverse
Or Nuttiverse or Craziverse
The Trumpiverse?
The DeSantiverse?
The DeSantiverse
DeSantiverse
Is Antiverse
Where everything is anti
A Nuttiverse
And Craziverse
Where everyone is ranty
The Trumpiverse
The Trumpiverse
Is Dumpiverse
Where everything’s a dump
A Dummiverse
And Bleachiverse
That oozes from the rump
OMG, SomeDAM. I think you’ve solved it!!!!
SDP: your theory sounds Hegelian to me, only without the synthesis.
I neglected anti-CRT, anti-masks and anti-vaccines
So embarrassed by this rep. Uneducated, unwilling to learn,racist, male supremacy, patriarchal, and unwilling to shut up.
Boebert is also tired of hearing about women’s voting rights because they aren’t in the Constitution. I’m curious how many women were in the congregation that she spoke to.
Boebert’s Bind
(Nothing lost, nothing brained)
I’m really losing patience
In national debate
With Goddamned separation
Between the Church and state
I’m also losing other stuff
Of every shape and kind
Of late, it’s getting really tough
Cuz, now I’ve lost my mind
A little under 82,000 people said “Yeah! That’s who I want representing me in Congress for the next two years! Because she’s done such a great job so far!”
These extremists wouldn’t be in power if people didn’t vote for them. There must be considerable numbers of these “deplorables” around the country.
About 47 % of those who voted in 2020 .
They are actually “deployables” because Trump can deploy them for his various nefarious purposes, eg. (January) Sixurrection.
January Sixurrection
Sixurrection
Insurrection
Seeks inflection
In election
So true. They are highly suggestible to any fear mongering.
Madeline did it better.
Such genius!
I’d like to know more about the wolves who raised her. With luck, the offspring’s parents have been banded for research so that there can be follow-up.
Representative Boebert is right. There is no separation of church and state junk in the Constitution. It was just a stinking letter. I looked it up on the trusty internet. That’s how you research, sheeple! Founding Father Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter in 1802 to a Baptist church in Connecticut advocating a “wall of separation” using the Establishment Clause, so the internet says that’s what the Establishment Clause is because a Founding Father said it wascand the words of the Fathers are directly from God!!! Forget the Constitution, the Founding Fathers had nothing to do with that. The letter, not the Constitution is right. Except that the letter didn’t grant state establishment of religion to the Baptist church. So the letter is wrong.
America is all wrong, but America is always right!!!
Pay NO attention to the fact that in 1802, Jefferson was acting as a president and not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention. It doesn’t matter that the Constitution was already drafted and ratified in 1802. These are just stinking details. We have to recognize the importance of understanding with a critical something theory that U.S. history makes us all proud, never ashamed, because it stinks. God forget Canada! God bless America!
Sorry for the errors. I was feeling the old time fervor.
leftcoast If I get the irony in your argument, the point still remains that was made earlier here. That is, we can assume (and that assumption is supported by the stated experimental nature of democracy) the founding fathers wanted US to keep it . . . the democracy, that is, from generation to generation, so that the Constitution is set up to breathe with the movements of history. If we have even a modicum of understanding of OTHER kinds of governments, we probably want that too.
But to keep it, we have to have BOTH a freedom of religious expression AND a separation of powers not only in the three branches of government, but between those branches as secularly conceived and religious institutions, so that we are a law-constituted government, set of social institutions, and culture. This, even though there are lots of overlapping issues, as occur in family court, that always need to be dealt with in culture, again, in social institutions, and if needed, in the courts. The present conflict as in Boebert’s egregious misunderstanding of the place of religious influence in a democracy, COUPLED WITH EXTREME ATTACKS ON ALL-THING-RELIGIOUS FROM OTHER CAMPS (and here, from Linda) will not stand up for very long.
It follows, however, that, insofar as religious orders are many, and insofar as historically in Jefferson’s time (he read a bunch of history in original languages), AND in our time (example: the Middle East), those orders tend towards intolerance of the “others” in other religious orders . . . insofar as we are working on that principle, religious orders cannot govern “the people” as a whole (<–the call for ecumenism is in that problematic). A democracy CANNOT STAND as governed by one or even by a loving group of religious orders, especially if/when they dispense with secular law that governs ALL under the idea and the reach of principles of freedom and equality under that law. Not even in our dreams.
What seems missing, however, in the transition from then to today is (1) the CEO, oligarchic, and Wall Street (including international) self-dealing and capitalist-only interests and influences who, on their low-life principles, cannot “keep democracy” in fact or at the center of their concerns; and (2) the tech-fast communications situation we find ourselves in today where thoughtful people value their own ongoing education and where thoughtless people spread their ignorance at will.
Just some thoughts. (Linda still doesn’t “get it.”) CBK
As the spirit moves you, Brother Left!
Not exactly. The First Amendment provides for the separation of church and state and is, of course, part of the Constitution. (Madison was even more zealous about separating church and state than Jefferson.)
There is also the fact that Article VI forbids religious tests for office.
God blessed Amerigo Vespucci
And the separation of Church & State is all due to the letter “&”
Boebert is a genius compared to Donald Trump.
A bag of cement is a genius compared to Trump.
True, that.
The oranges of the investigation” is my favorite.
That makes a bag of cement look like Albert Einstein
The Oranges of Trump
The oranges of Trump
The NY City Dump
The oranges are there
The source of orange hair
The oranges of the investigation was the smocking gun.
The oranges of the investigation were the smoking beekeepers.
The oranges!!!!! And he says it over and over!!!! How does a speaker of English get to be 73 years old and not know the word “origins”?
The thing that cracks me up the most is that he actually says origins correctly once in the middle and it seems like he has actually realized his error, but then he goes back to saying oranges again.
It’s like he suddenly remembered and then just as suddenly forgot
Hilarious.
Some website was claiming that Boebert used to ply an honest profession.
Add to this saloonkeeper and standup comedian and you’re talking serious talent!
Cruz gave her campaign a lot of money. He saw talent.
Diane “Cruz . . . saw talent.” Now THAT’S a funny. CBK
lol
Which is why she knows her way around junk.
Most witty
Just like so many people are “tired of COVID.”
Which is why the virus is mutating & people are still getting sick.
People like Boebert are mutating and the COViD19 virus is getting sick and tired of it.
As am I.
LOL
LMAO!
This is from Boebert’s approved biography, which is featured on her website at the House of Representatives:
“Representative Boebert was raised in a Democrat household on welfare. Her senior year of high school, she earned an opportunity to serve as an assistant manager at her local McDonald’s. She made the difficult decision to drop out of school to help put food on her family’s table, realizing she could provide better for herself than the government ever could.”
A woman whose family survived because of welfare got a job whose wages and work conditions are decent because of Democratic regulations to help her family subsidize their welfare, and the lesson she learned is that she did it all with no government help?
Boebert is a favorite of the very worst right wing advocacy organizations. Those who fight against regulations protecting workers and the environment.
This paradox of receiving government aid and seeking to damn the government as ineffective is so prevalent that it bears psychological investigation.
When I was a boy, my father became ill and never worked again. I do not think I ever could have gone to college in the economic climate today. All my life I have felt a debt to the society that gave me a chance, and have sought to give back. But now it almost seems my society is vanishing, at least from around me. My society focuses on the potholes and ignores the road. And so, the potholes are not repaired.
And now, the government is once again putting the food on her table.
The federal government is the source of the income on her W-2?
She should return her salary to the taxpayers and her district should pass around a collection plate to fund her.
Amen, Sister Linda!
I always wanted to move to Colorado. If the people of Colorado elect people like her, I am now glad I stayed in New York. (I have the same feeling about Alaska & Sarah Palin).
My list of states where I could move or even visit gets shorter every day. It’s already gotten to the point where driving from New England to California requires going through Canada. I just hope Canada doesn’t get added to my list, although with their current leader, I’m not do sure. Then I’ll have to take a ferry through the Panama Canal.
Then, I’ll be a man a plan a canal Panama
But at least I don’t have to worry about coming up with a way to get to any southern states (except southern, CA) cuz they are all already on my list.
Make that ” scratched off my list”
Good call, SilverApple!
Stephen Miller is behind a move to strip away the Establishment Clause. Peter Greene covers this amazing turn of events to nullify the Constitution, by the originalists. Bet there’s a case in the queue already.
https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2022/06/maga-group-calls-for-end-of.html
Christine Your link: More proof that democracy can rot from within. Stephen Miller, Mark Meadows, etc., it’s a slow walk towards neo-tribalism. Apparently, they’ve learned nothing from history. CBK
Our Deliberately Godless Constitution —
America’s Founding Fathers refused to include God in the Constitution. At the very start of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, deist Benjamin Franklin asked whether or not to begin the Convention with a prayer — that was rejected by the delegates. When the writing of the Constitution was finished, Constitutional Convention Delegate Benjamin Rush got up and asked if it was intentional that God — let alone Jesus and Christianity — was left out of the Constitution. He received an affirmative response from our Founding Fathers and the other delegates. Founding Father John Adams said “the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” Progressives didn’t remove religion from schools or anywhere else — our Founding Fathers did that because they knew our nation would be torn apart with battles over which religion would be “America’s religion” and which religion people would be compelled to belong to, just as our Founding Fathers had been compelled to join the official government Anglican religion of England.
Instead, our Founding Fathers gave us the First Amendment that allows us freedom to belong to any religion we choose or to not belong to any religion. Their wisdom has worked very well for America, but now our Founding Fathers’ wisdom is under attack — as is so much of our Constitution — by “conservatives” who can’t stand that other Americans have the freedom to not share their ideology or religious beliefs.
Please don’t call the 6 person majority on SCOTUS “conservative.” They are not.They are radicals.