Any day now, the Supreme Court will issue a crucial decision that defines or redefines the relationship between church and state. The “wall of separation” between church and state has long had many exceptions. Although there are state and regional differences, the state or federal government may pay for mandated services, for school transportation, for textbooks. What the public has never paid for is tuition for religious schools. The forthcoming decision may change that. The facts have not changed, but Trump added three new members who are likely to require the state to pay tuition at religious schools. We will see.
Jan Resseger explores this issue, reviewing an analysis by Kevin Welner, who is both an education policy scholar and a lawyer.
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The Washington Post’s Valerie Strauss recently published a warning about possible unforeseen consequences of the U.S. Supreme Court’s soon-to-be-released decision in a Maine school voucher case, Carson v. Makin. The Court is expected to release its decision by the end of June.
This is a First Amendment case about the entanglement of religion with government and government funding. Strauss warns: “In Carson v. Makin, the conservative majority of the Supreme Court is likely to require Maine officials to use public funding to subsidize religious teaching and proselytizing at schools that legally discriminate against people who don’t support their religious beliefs.”
Strauss refers readers to a May 12 policy brief, The Outsourcing of Discrimination: Another SCOTUS Earthquake?, by Kevin Welner, director of the National Education Policy Center at the University of Colorado. Welner explains why the Carson v. Makin, church-state case seems so complicated and confusing: “The First Amendment prohibits laws ‘respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ These two religion clauses have long existed in tension and in a balance. The Free Exercise Clause protects individuals’ right to practice their religion as they please, while the Establishment Clause keeps the government from (at least in some circumstances) favoring or disfavoring religion or religious institutions. But that balance has perished. A well-orchestrated push to lift the Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause above its Establishment Clause has seen a level of success enjoyed by few other legal-advocacy efforts.”
The issue in Carson v. Makin differs from a 2020 decision in Espinoza v. Montana, in which the U.S. Supreme Court found that, under the First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause, the state could not discriminate against a school based on its religious status. Carson v. Makin is about the school’s practice—the explicit teaching of religion, which the state of Maine currently prohibits.
Welner traces the history of church-state school voucher cases: “The legal landscape for vouchers supporting private religious schools has changed 180 degrees, corresponding to the shift in the makeup of justices on the Supreme Court. Vouchers for religious schools have moved from being broadly understood to be constitutionally forbidden in (the) 1970s to constitutionally allowed in 2003, via the Zelman v. Simmons-Harris (2002) decision, to now arguably constitutionally required, at least under the Montana circumstances.” Here Welner is referring to the 2020 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue.”
Many have believed that the recent “Free Exercise” decisions—the 2020 Espinoza decision and the decision the U.S. Supreme Court will release this month in Carson v. Makin—will have little real impact on state policy. The 2002 decision in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris—based on the old Establishment Clause definition of the separation of church and state—declared that as long as states awarded the voucher to the parents and not directly to the religious school and as long as the parents made the decision to use the voucher at the religious school, vouchers did not violate the separation of church and state. Following Zelman, most states which award vouchers have already been allowing them to flow to religious schools.
In his new brief, however, Kevin Welner worries that Carson v. Makin could potentially have serious implications when religious schools violate students’ rights protected in federal law. Welner also explores, with a focus on charter schools, how the policy implications would be different in politically blue and red states.

Just what America needs. . . for all to pay for indoctrination into Sky-Daddy faith belief systems. To hell with faith belief systems!
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If there were a hell, ofc.
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YEP!
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“L’enfer, c’est les Autres”…….Sartre
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Haaaa, Joe!!! LOL
Love me some Jean-Paul and Simone!
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Duane-
It’s better for you than for women. Girls are taught at religious schools to sacrifice their lives for a fetus. Sure, the widowers and the remaining motherless children suffer but,….
At Catholics for Choice, I recommend reading Jamie Manson’s, “How One Nun’s Excommunication Foreshadowed the Bishops’ Attack on Biden” (11-4-2021). It details what happens when a Catholic hospital follows accepted medical practice instead of a belief system. One in 6 U.S. hospitals are Catholic. (And, research showed they served no more indigent than other private hospitals.)
Catholic organizations are the U.S.’ 3rd largest employer. Protection of civil rights in the U.S. is screwed.
I doubt that Catholic men give much thought over the expanse of their lives about abortions they encouraged whereas, the Church tells the women to feel contrived guilt to the grave.
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Having grown up in Catholic K-12 schools I believe I have a firm foundation in what they are about. . . and I rejected that before I was out of that K-12 schooling.
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Bull on Hell
If Heaven’s full
Of “righteous” race
Then I am bull
On other place
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Fascism and medieval superstition are a match made in, well, . . . both are all about belief in and abject submission to an all-powerful authority.
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Putin gave us Trump. Trump gave us this court. This court will take us back to the glory years of the mid-1700s.
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IF the U.S. continues as a democratic country, then in a few years, because of the education of young people and demographic changes in the country, Repugnicans cease to exist. Therefore, if they are to maintain power, Republicans have to a) undermine voting mechanisms and b) establish a nationalist national curriculum and fundamentalist madrassas throughout the country to indoctrinate a new generation. For this reason, I’m done with my traditional live-and-let-be-looney attitude toward traditional religious superstition. It will be used as THE major weapon to bring fascism to America, and for this reason, it must be exposed. My take.
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I’m also done with the “But you should be nice and more respectful” argument about religious belief. Religions make empirical claims about the universe. Why should those claims, and those claims alone, get a pass? Why should it be the case that ONLY those should be passed over in silence, however looney they are? Sorry. I don’t buy it. If I make the claim that injecting bleach is a cure for cancer, that aliens built the pyramids, that a wafer turns into God’s body, that a virgin gave birth, that we go live in a golden city in the sky when we die, I am not being reality-based. All are equally crazy and indefensible.
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And, ofc, the crazy, ancient superstitions don’t stop with claims about the nature of the physical world. Nope. They are also filled with abominable ancient ideas about good and evil, right and wrong, that will become law should these superstitions regain political ascendancy.
https://flipboard.com/topic/sexeducation/belmar-school-board-member-says-homosexuality-is-a-sin/a-YZnQbAj4Si2J7spwYcn–Q%3Aa%3A3334031507-e980e0f0e5%2Ftapinto.net
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Agree- there can be no respect for the religious in religions where their leaders succeed in taking away civil rights. Religious sects deserve condemnation when their churches politick for a conservative
agenda that is anti-woman, anti-science, anti- gay and anti-Black.
Religious freedom and freedom from its coercion- A Jewish group has filed an objection to a state’s abortion ban, citing the Talmud’s acceptance of abortion.
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There is an essential reason that the freedoms of religion, speech, the press and of assembly are put together in the first amendment. One can’t exercise one without the other. That’s why the conflation of the second amendment with individual rights so dishonest, dangerous and should be unconstitutional. The first was about individual freedoms/civil liberties, the second was was about creating legal means for people to own firearms to provide non-centralized collective national defense.
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Agree completely that the demand by religious faith believers that their fairy tale beliefs should be given the type of credence and deference that we give to rationo-logical scientific thinking is absurd.
Believe what you want but don’t try to foist your religious BS onto everyone else. And do not expect others to pay for your insane religious beliefs nor give them the time of day.
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It would be a lie for me to show respect to these beliefs. I do not respect them any more than I respect the idea that global warming is a Chinese hoax or that seeing a clock that reads 11:11 means that “you need to pay attention to your intuition today. ” And it would be false, a lie, for me to behave otherwise, and I try, I really do, not to say things I know to be false except in jest. I think that the organized religions are childish wish fulfillment that we really should have outgrown. However, I am utterly fascinated by religions, have spent a lot of my life studying them, and really care about the questions that religions raise and so facilely answer (typically with answers that predate modern moral and scientific understanding). I will doubtless die still not understanding people’s ability to rationalize continued adherence to utter craziness from the infancy of our species.
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The thing that upsets me most about religions, aside from the use of religion to justify horrific acts (e.g., Patriarch Kirill’s recent claim that the invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukraine allows Pride parades), is that I really, really care about the questions that religion pretends to answer, and those pretend answers stand in the way of careful thought, including speculative thought, about the questions. Oh, we already know the answer to that. God got mad because people were building a tower to heaven and scattered the people and gave them differing languages to confuse them. LMAO. OK. It’s an entertaining story, but LIKE THE REST OF THIS STUFF, it’s JUST a story of a kind that sounded plausible to VERY ignorant people living a VERY long time ago.
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Bob-
Thanks for your point about “respect”. Without thinking, I used the rhetoric of the right wing. The accurate wording for my view was live and let live. But, since the parents’ children are involved and they are vulnerable…?
A study showed that, by a very wide margin, children raised in conservative religions remain in the sects as adults. Those raised in liberal sects leave at higher rates.
Greg-
Thanks for your insight about the context of the 1st amendment as contrasted with the 2nd amendment.
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One of the things that shocks me about adults’ religious beliefs is that they express certainty about these even though they are perfectly well aware that had they been born into a family with differing beliefs, somewhere else on the globe, they would be equally certain about those. This ought to be so freaking obvious. There have been and are many thousands of these religious belief systems, incompatible with one another, fervently held by their adherents, and except as fate would have it, interchangeable. That this fact doesn’t seem to bother the religious shows the extent to which it is all just wish fulfillment fantasy.
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The contradictory belief that stands above all others is the belief by the practitioners of many religions that “We are God’s Chosen People (GM –GodMark)
God’s Chosen
God chose only us
So, you can take a bus
To anywhere but here
Cuz God was very clear
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Sorry, gotta run so I can catch Trump’s remarks at the Faith and Freedom Conference!
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I just read what Trump said. He said that he is a victim of the radical left’s witch hunt.
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I have faith that Trump will continue to exercise his freedom to extort large amounts of cash from his followers.
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I enjoyed reading your judeo-Christian essay. I know this is off the subject, but it struck me that lol was becoming a lot like Selah in the psalms.
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Haaaa!!!! Yes. Every time that occurs, you are supposed to stop and blow loudly on a kazoo, though it can be a placeholder for a short ocarina quintet.
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THANK YOU, Bob! Love your article.
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Gosh. Thanks, Yvonne.
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Sorry, but it’s the 21st century. It’s time we threw off the childish nonsense. As the Bible says, “When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” –1 Corin. 13:11 (or as Trump would have it, One Corinthian–lol)
Religion is a childish fantasy. Time to put away childish things.
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Things I Worry About: How Alternative Fact Worldviews Enable Fascism
George Santayana, in Reason in Religion, makes the argument that religion serves the same sort of purposes that poetry does and that, while not literally true,* is nonetheless elevating. William James, in Varieties of Religious Experience, makes a pragmatic argument for religion, saying that what matters is not its literal truth** (on that he agrees with Santayana) but, rather, the consequences of belief, which he considers to be mostly positive. He points out that when you look at the teachings and actions of a saint in any of the world’s major religions, these are similar and life-affirming: Be kind and generous to other people. Don’t hurt them. Be humble. Care for the infirm and needy. Don’t be greedy. And so on. Aldus Huxley makes the same ecumenical point, at length, in his book The Perennial Philosophy. Kurt Vonnegut had a soft spot for religion and made the claim that when Marx called religion “the opiate of the people,” he didn’t mean that that was a bad thing. Life is hard, Vonnegut tells us, and people need pain relievers. His were his Pall Malls.
My own inclination is to say, look, religions make empirical claims about us, the world, the universe, ultimate matters, for which there is not a scintilla, not a jot, of evidence, and it simply doesn’t make any sense–it just isn’t reasonable–to believe things for which there is no evidence. Consider this statement: There is an intelligent species in the Proxima Centauri star system that communicates with hyphae and reproduces via spores, like mushrooms on Earth. What is the truth value of that proposition? Well, clearly, there is no reason whatsoever to think it true. It COULD BE true, but there is no reason to believe that it IS true. There simply is no relevant evidence for the truth of that specific claim (though there is ample evidence that life is abundant beyond our fragile blue planet).
My take: Speculation is fine, but do the adult thing, when you are speculating, and admit that like a science fiction writer, you are simply trying on possibilities. Don’t take wild-ass speculations all that seriously, though, because the truth matters. It really does. It matters, for example, that undocumented immigrants to the United States have very low crime rates and are not “hordes of rapists and murderers.”
In general, I have been inclined, like Vonnegut, throughout most of my life, to a live-and-let-live attitude about people’s religious beliefs, but as I witness the quotidian reality that right-wing extremists like Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson can barely open their mouths without claiming that God is on their side, I am becoming more and more inclined to say, look, grow up. Throw off the superstition. You might have a lot of knowledge about what your religion thinks about God, for example, but you don’t have ANY actual knowledge about God. You just don’t. And you certainly don’t know that He (or whatever) wants people to vote for Donald Trump and to ship asylum seekers to Mexico and to keep women from controlling their own bodies. If you claim that you have such knowledge, actual knowledge, then you are just lying, and ironically, most religions tell us that lying is a bad thing indeed.
Increasingly, our politics seems to me to be driven by ignorance and superstition, and so, increasingly, I’ve become allergic to both.
That said, there is much, much that we do not understand about ultimate realities. We are MOSTLY ignorant, and that’s built into our perceptual and cognitive makeup, into the limitations that our perceptual and cognitive apparatus imposes on what we have access to and what we can understand. So, I’m also equally impatient with dogmatic materialist determinists, and my blood boils when people like Richard Dawkins or Daniel Dennett refer to themselves as “the Brights.” No, they are practitioners of the religion of Scientism, and Scientism isn’t science.
In short, in this time of “alternative facts” from the right, it’s important, I think, for saner, wiser people to insist on actual facts and to stand up against worldviews in which empirical propositions for which there is no empirical evidence whatsoever are claimed to be true. Open that door, and anything goes. What’s true becomes a matter of who has the power to enforce it. That’s the world of alternative facts, and in that direction lies the fascism that I think we are precipitously sliding into.
*Santayana is wrong about poetry. Sometimes it is quite literally true, and sometimes a writer thinks a poem true, even if it isn’t. For example, Hesiod and the poets whom we collectively refer to as Homer doubtless thought that while they were taking liberties–poetic license we now call it–the general outlines of what they were saying were factual.
**In fact, James wants us to redefine truth as the following attribute of some propositions: that believing them has positive consequences for us. That’s a pretty radical notion, but I’m not here going to go into why I reject it except as a sometimes workable but sometimes extremely misleading rule of thumb.
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I have some sentimental attachment to some aspects of Catholicism. That is not a defense on the merits, but it explains why I sometimes pull punches when I talk about religion generally and that religion specifically.
And of course in actual face-to-face conversations, I don’t like to upset or offend people who are believers, so I will avoid that when possible.
There are a lot of very bad things that one could say about religion.
They’ve all been said before.
There are two positive things I can think of to say about religion.
First, I do think that religious services are, for a great many people, the only occasion they pause to think about things like kindness, forgiveness, moral obligations, and other “non-worldly” things. That seems like a good thing.
Second, as a practical matter, I’ve always thought a great way to get a good crowd at one’s funeral is to go to church. That’s an automatic funeral crowd. “Did you hear FLERP! died?” “Oh, no, that’s terrible. When’s the service?”
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Well, I can see your point, Flerp, as long as no women are losing their lives, no unwanted children are in homes where there’s not enough food to go around (Ireland during the Great Hunger when 1,000,000 Irish died of starvation), and as long as men and women aren’t being taught that women are 2nd class citizens.
Btw- the author James Patterson is in the news. It seems likely that he learned, in his conservative religious home, his view that White men are the victims of sexism and racism. He appears to lack the self-awareness that he might have gained after acknowledging a few years ago that there wasn’t much equality for women in his church.
Allegedly, Patterson funded campaigns for Rick Perry and Mitch McConnell.
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LOL!!!
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Flerp-
“It’s all been said,” I assume that’s a ploy to stop discussion or as excuse to close one’s mind. The state Catholic Conferences are happy to hear discussion closed and they are pleased with the work of their influencers and writers in media, “pulling their punches.”
I don’t want to live under theocracy. You’re o.k. with it. Got it and I understand your reasoning. The church doesn’t politick to take away your rights and it encourages voting for a GOP that enacts racist policies.
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Lol, it’s not a “ploy,” Linda. I’m just saying that everybody knows the case against religion. Christopher Hitchens covered it well, I think.
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I read his big book on the subject and wasn’t terribly impressed. My take: Hitchens got the obvious stuff, but he was far too certain about things himself–his skepticism wasn’t skeptical enough.
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The debate on whether the Catholic Church has been a force for good, with Hitchens and Stephen Fry on the “no” side, is good watching.
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Hitchens died, pre-Trump. The off-setting balance to the loss of civil rights is, contemplation in the pews about non-worldly things. It’s a poor trade-off.
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This case is an essential part of a revolution that the current court is effecting.
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While democrats sit around saying, “We couldn’t possibly do something so drastic as to expand the court; that just wouldn’t be nice,” this court will decide democracy into oblivion. Say bye now. Bye, Democracy! Bye bye!
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Democrats can’t expand the Court unless they have a filibuster proof majority of 60.
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They could use the nuclear option and change the filibuster rule, but they would have to have Manchin and Sinema on board.
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Yes, the nuclear option. But what will the Republicans do when they take control?
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They won’t care about the niceties was the Democrats did. They will expand the Court and pack it with the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz and Homer Simpson because this court isn’t right-wing enough for them.
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cx: as the Democrats did
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The new astonishing phenomenon detected on the Shroud QKVCS (paste the title in the search bar for genmirror.com/ytp, and tap Enter… see, the first of two results!)
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By virtue of the fact that the shroud denoted within the abovenoted is in the possession of the said “Holy See”, doesn’t mean that the relic rightfully belongs to the See!… indeed, it’s come to my attention that the present owners of the shroud have come by way of it through FALSE PRETENSES, and that its RIGHTFUL OWNERS have been denied control by way of the manipulation (and destruction) of the histor(ic) records associated with the artifact!
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For simply, the artifact that belonged to Joseph… that was then reclaimed by the followers of Jesus Christ to prepare Christ for burial!… was not a part of Rome’s APOSTATE SPIRITUAL DECEPTION! The shroud has been taken under false pretenses, to give credence to the false Roman church, spoken of by Apostle Paul before His death. And should be reclaimed by the “SPIRITUAL DESCEDENTS” of Joseph and of those who were commissioned by God to fulfill a NON-CATHOLIC DUTY to bury our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ… and such, were not a part of Satan’s FALSE CHURCH, fabricated by the BRUTAL and MURDEROUS “Holy Roman Empire”! The relic belongs to the TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ, who lived according to Christ’s CLEAR MESSAGE of LOVE… and not to those who began Satanic-led “ANTI-CHRIST CRUSADES” that put to death both believers and non-believers alike! The relic belongs to TRUE CHRISTIANS!… and to, and for, CHRISTIAN POSTERITY!
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To conclude… miracles are yet to be manifest by the artifact… and its disposition is to be decided by God (as there is nothing hidden, that won’t be made known!)!
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lol
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I laughed. I cried.
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Hi, Bob!…
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What’s your view of the contents of the cited video?
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The shroud is a fake, plain and simple.
To hell with “TRUE CHRISTIANS”. (Obviously a metaphorical statement)
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Legal decisions reflect the interests and bias of judges making the decisions. SCOTUS is now an overwhelmingly Christian organization. Unfortunately, sending public money to religious groups will likely fund discrimination against marginalized groups. It was all much clearer and more democratic when decisions were based on the notion of separation of church and state. We will see a lot of court battles over a pro-religion decision as a result.
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So we are heading up into the Cumberland Mountains the other day and passed a sign for Holly Springs Baptist Church. Typical medium sized church. Right across the road was a sign placed by the US Forest Service: “Think before you burn.”
The church and the state.
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Ideology blinds people, even Justices of SCOTUS.
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Justice is blind. Congress is deaf. The SCOTUS Justices are dumb.
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LCT,
Justice is not blind. It fully sees the value in $$$$.
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I think religion should be a personal decision, not a public one. The founding fathers eschewed the concept of a state religion. They acknowledged the concept of a God without a lot of specific details. Religion is largely divisive. We have too much division in our people already. Public education shouldn’t be about a particular religious perspective. It strives to bring diverse students together and provide opportunities for tolerance and mutual respect. I spent my whole career striving to build bridges, not burning them down.
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I just thought the juxtaposition was sublime. It could mean whatever you wanted depending on what you believe. Choose any angle you want.
The fact of history is that what we call freedom arrived in Europe contemporary with the assertion of empirical truth. Ergo, the wall between church and state described by the founding folks.
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exactly
It’s rare. It’s rare historically. It’s rare around the globe now. The USUAL state of affairs is that the secular and religious powers are one and absolute.
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Or a secular government that dominates thought Stalin-style or unifies state with ethnic hostility. I think the most dominant variety of tyranny is supported by the dominant religion.
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Roy,
I always thought Southern Baptists came out of the idea that religion wasn’t dictated down from the top by people telling you how to be. And yet – back in the 1980s – it morphed into the opposite of what it used to be. A religion where the powerful tell all Southern Baptists what they must believe, support, and do.
(There was a Holly Springs Church in Georgia that was famous for its shape note singers – I wonder if that is the one you passed.)
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Someone should start up a Church of Abortion Performing Doctors so that the government cannot “discriminate” against it.
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Great Idea!!!
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How about a Wiccan church school? How about the Timothy Leary church school of mind expansion? Maybe atheists will sue when they see their tax dollars go to religious schools as it impedes their individual liberty. There will be lots of opportunity for lawyers to get rich from a pro-religious ruling.
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Yes agree. What about occult religious approaches, such as New Age, Satanism, Wicca, and Spiritualism. Who determines what religions are worthy of tax dollars?
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Every group that claims to be a religion will be eligible. Currently there are blatant tax frauds where someone claims to be a minister, rabbi or priest, making their place of worship (home) tax-free.
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See below
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Great idea!!
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I hereby find myself in contempt of Court.
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Haaaa!
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There is a great silver lining in the May 12 policy brief noted by Valerie Strauss that cannot be overlooked. The Court’s decision could cause the total collapse of charter schools in populous blue states. The most lucrative markets would likely dry up for charter grifters.
“If the applicants prevail, charter school laws will start to closely resemble laws creating private-school vouchers… California anti-discrimination law protects LGBTQ students, covering both sexual orientation and gender identity. It also has LGBTQ-inclusive state curricular standards. Would the state keep in place a charter school system if courts mandate that the system be utilized to fund discrimination?
Most likely, political support for charter schools would collapse among the state’s Demo-
cratic majority. In fact, following from the hypothesized legal outcomes, such blue-state
policymakers would likely feel compelled to move most or all discretionary educational services in-house—to be provided directly by government employees. That is, these states may repeal their charter-school laws.”
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To further my pessimism about this nation, I believe the fundamental mistake you make here is that in the future, reasonable administration of the law will still be a thing. I don’t think it will. The early Weimar judicial system was notorious for enforcing some laws with draconian zeal for the left while looking the other way for the right. We are seeing this here now with the outcome of the attempted kidnapping case of Gov. Whitmer in Michigan. I wasn’t in the courtroom, but I don’t understand how the knowledge of detailed plans to kidnap, tie up on a table, and possible sexually assault of a human being, much less a Democratic governor could lead to not guilty verdicts. What it tells me is that lying about what everyone sees is just a legal technicality that has nothing to do with objective reality. Laws are not written in stone under fascism. They are a form of legal Play-doh to shape whatever an ideology wants.
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Americans can’t have a high probability of hope when there is so much evidence to support your position.
Jefferson warned about priests aligned with despots.
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Yes. This is how far we have sunk. People can plot to kidnap, assault, and murder a governor or to overturn a lawful election and get away Scott-free. Oh, that’s just politics. I suppose that that makes sense if a) you believe that the concept of the rule of law is hilarious and b) you consider war politics by other means.
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I don’t know why we’re throwing the Whitmer kidnap conspiracy case into this tale of failed justice. 2 are convicted & in federal prison; 2 had hung juries, remain in jail & will be re-tried by prosecutors; 2 were acquitted. Another 8 are awaiting trial on state charges involving supplying materials to plotters. Informants and FBI undercover agents were involved from early on, thus foiling the plan, but stringing it along long enough to cast a dragnet. That alone– along with some unrelated charges against a couple of the agents— has made the case more difficult to prosecute successfully. It’s one thing to surveil/ wiretap etc, & another to plant undercover agents participating in planning meetings. Always raises the specter of entrapment and muddies the waters.
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And best yet, all classes are taught by the Spiritual Wives of Enlightened Master Bob himself!!!!
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Welner says “In a nutshell, the majority of Supreme Court justices may adopt a rule requiring that whenever a state decides to provide a service through a non-state employee (e.g. through a contracting mechanism), the state will face the highest level of judicial scrutiny if it discriminates against churches and church-affiliated service providers that infuse their beliefs into the provided services. (my emphasis)
He adds the kicker: “states that abhor such discrimination [discrimination against people because of, for example, their gender identity or sexual orientation (as we see with the private religious schools at issue in the Carson litigation)] may find themselves forced to pull back on private contracting to provide public services, ending policies that allow private operators of everything from social services like foster care to health care, to prisons and, as I explain… charter schools.”
I’m not sure I understand the problem. Why should publicly-funded services like prisons, charter schools, health care or foster care be farmed out to NGO’s that discriminate on religious grounds? The only reason they participate heavily in public service is because our social safety net is so freaking niggardly that it has to depend on “a thousand points of light” to pick up the slack.
“For states that are politically inclined to engage in such discrimination themselves, this outsourcing of discrimination may be an attractive approach.” UM, NO, and why should we let them? Guaranteed three out of every four states with that attitude are taking in far more fed services than they pay for, courtesy of the states which “abhor such discrimination.” This isn’t just about the [egregious] fracturing of the wall between church and state. And the consequent absurdity of protecting churches that discriminate against individuals from “discrimination” by the govt. It’s about taxation without representation!
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Ginny,
The motive behind privatization is to save money, which never happens because for-profit organizations must make a profit. Why do politicians support privatization? Campaign donations and ideology.
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Colonialism and theocracy are the ideologies
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“The only time my cyber education was interrupted was when I was in Diane’s school blogs.” – GEORGE MAYOR
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“I never let my Diane Schooling interfere with my education.” – MARK MAYOR
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“[Y]ou possess all the attributes of a demagogue; a screeching, horrible voice, a perverse, crossgrained nature and the language of the market-place. In you all is united which is needful for governing… and SCOTUSING.” – ARISTOPHANES MAYOR
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And as Ariana Grande once put it… NEXT!
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No REPLY required!
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Please get help, Mr. Mayor.
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Christ is my help!… and take those things out of ears!… it’s lessening your ability to hear, and to think! And, if these things aren’t washed, you can get an infection!
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Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Have a lovely evening!
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What on earth?
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No, not on earth.
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Bishop and Medieval Hate Monger Robert J. McManus just informed the Nativity School of Worcester, MA, that it can no longer call itself a Catholic school because it refused to stop flying BLM and Pride flags on the school grounds. Mass cannot be said nor sacraments administered on the school’s property. And, ofc, Minister of Hate McManus did this during Pride Month.
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Bishop McManus, the Red Beanie Meanie
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Pointing out facts like this–with the direct involvement of Catholic Church leadership, no less!–is considered by some to be religious bigotry. Not me, but they’re out there.
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That’s exactly my point. For some reason, large numbers of people think that religions should get a pass. In every other area of life, when people make ludicrous claims (e.g., Trump made China pay us billions in tariffs, CRT has taken over our classrooms, doctors are performing sex reassignment surgery based on notions gets got via social contagion), it’s OK to challenge those, but in this one case–if it’s a religious claim about us, the world, the universe, whatever–it’s exempt. It’s “a personal belief.” It’s impolite to challenge it. “Everyone has the right to his or her opinion.” And so on. But all that is simply varieties of excuse-making. People feel uncomfortable when their most indefensible ideas are challenged. They want an immunity card. So, I’m offering them a different kind of immunity: Don’t claim you KNOW that you will go to “heaven” when you die or that babies are born with Original Sin. Admit that you are indulging in unwarranted speculation–entertaining or comforting (to you) ideas for which there is PRECISELY ZERO evidence. Why? Because the truth actually matters.
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cx: doctors are performing sex reassignment surgery based on notions teens get via social contagion
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I feel that I’m not being clear about this. So, I’ll make another attempt. Suppose that a particular Christian denomination held the belief that “Ants read, write, understand, and speak English but hide this fact from humans.” It’s a statement about the world. It says that such and such is the case. But there is ZERO evidence for it. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that it’s false, so much as to make it almost certainly false. But if this is an “article of faith,” then it’s supposed to be–I don’t know–bad manners or something to challenge it. Well, religions are like that. They make lots and lots and lots of empirical claims about the universe for which there is no evidence and insist on the immunity of such claims from critique.
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Bob-
“Immunity card”- perfectly summarized.
I could be persuaded away from the following opinions… (1) I begin to seriously care about religious claims when they steer voting, impact government policies and laws and, when government funds religion.
(2) Relative to the two major religions, each sect needs a substantial segment within, that identifies itself as unwilling to impose their cockamamie on others and that organizes to achieve the result.
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Bob-
Many religious groupies scare me, for example, those who elevate suffering. A couple of illustrations- on Good Friday, climbing the steps on their knees in Mt. Adams, Cincinnati to reach Immaculate church and the self-flagellation allegedly tied to Opus Dei. When I hear the words, “we’re all sinners,” I think, oh no, they want to include others in this self-debasing and self-destructive drama.
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“Pointing out facts like this–with the direct involvement of Catholic Church leadership, no less!–is considered by some to be religious bigotry.”
Not by me, GregB! I would add– “In Massachusetts, no less!”—except I’m aware that MA is a bastion of Irish Catholics. IMHO they are the hair up the a** of the US Catholic hierarchy. The only thing I can say in my church’s defense is that the hierarchy vs parish priests is like a school’s admin vs the teachers. The Bishops are authoritarian & political. But many parish priests find a way (like so many teachers on this blog) of closing the classroom door and teaching.
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So… ignore an altered U.S. pledge of allegiance recited in the schools and the organized bus trips from boys Catholic high schools to protest against abortion in D.C.? Ignore the right wing funding from the bishops and the voter turnout drives by the state Catholic Conferences? The U.S. has been there, done that. The result is Leonard Leo’s successes, Roe v Wade back at SCOTUS, Espinosa v Montana, Biel v St. James Catholic school, John Eastman, Kimberly Guilfoyle… From an article 7-28-2020, ” Guilfoyle Emerges as Trump’s Ambassador to Catholics.” Guilfoyle’s speech at the Stop the Steal was funded by Julie Fancelli (Fancelli’s high school isn’t listed but, her sibling went to Santa Fe Catholic High school in Florida). Fancelli gave more than $600,000 to the Jan. 6 rally.
Good to know the priests aren’t bound by the demand from their bishop that they not vote in the Democratic primaries, a prohibition authorized as legal by the state Catholic Conference. Who is going to pay for the priests’ defense if the command is questioned in court? Who’s going to pay for the defense if, “behind those closed doors,” the teachers are fired? Oh, that’s right, there are no civil rights so, no court to hear a defense.
Like Greg said, it’s not denial, it’s acquiescence.
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Off topic: Just as comedians tell us more about politics and governing than journalists, athletics are turning out to be just as important in public understanding of the Ukraine War. The former captain of the Russian national soccer team recently spoke out against the war, “These events are catastrophic. It’s horrific. I am not sure if I will be jailed or killed for this, but I am saying it as it is.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/15/former-footballer-igor-denisov-condemns-russias-war-in-ukraine
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Wow, in Putin’s police state, this is extraordinarily brave! I hope he will be OK!!!!!
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Wow. What a song! Chilling.
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Off-topic again: The recently released photo of Pence hiding from mob as daughter looked scared and wife closed the curtain should be the backdrop of every Democratic statement about January 6. Those people were scared for their lives and the Constitution and rightly so. Never let them rewrite that. Especially Mike Pence.
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The after-the-events switch in Pence’s mind that turned off the Jan. 6 threats to his family has its parallel in Ted Cruz who switched off Trump’s take down of his wife and father.
If I lived in the Pence or Cruz family, being protected, wouldn’t be the emotion I felt. That whole Biblical patriarchy thing rings hollow.
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Mike Pence’ss refusal to get into the armored car that was going to whisk him away from the Capitol is one of the most startling and heroic moments of 1/6. Would the car have kept him away from the Capitol to prevent the vote-count? He must have thought so.
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Interesting
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A more likely scenario than “heroism”, was Pence’s fear that if he got in the car he would be taken somewhere and murdered. Haven’t we read reports about a revolving door involving Trump allies and the Secret Service? Pence’s subsequent, after Jan. 6, unwillingness to take a forceful stance about the Big Lie, fits the scenario.
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The drivers of Pence’s car could have kept him in the car for hours and hours, allowing someone else friendlier to Trump to take charge.
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Pence might have welcomed forced temporary confinement. There’s been no sign that Pence wanted Trump out. A charge of treason for not counting the ballots, that was a problem on his radar during the whole legal analysis that played out in the days before Jan. 6.
IMO, the most likely scenario is he feared death in the car once it left the Capitol and witnesses wouldn’t be around.
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6-17-2022, Lindsay Graham, “You know what I liked about Trump? Everybody was afraid of him, including me…Don’t cross him…”
Trump made the fear real when he said he could kill a person on Fifth Ave. and get away with it.
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The U-Haul protestors in Idaho should be asked if they are anti-government. If they rely, “yes,” they should be denied tax-funded legal representation. If they are Christian conservatives, where are the legal teams from ADF, First Liberty Institute, Napa Institute and Christian Legal Society?
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