Mercedes Schneider reports that the Ohio Legislature passed a bill allowing teachers and staff to carry guns. The Governor has promised to sign it.
Teachers have repeatedly said that don’t want to be armed. Whatever weapon they carry will be far less powerful than an AR15 or other assault weapon that school shooters favor. They worry about accidents, crossfire, killing students or other teachers.
But Ohio teachers will be able to carry weapons and to get training, though not more than 24 hours of instruction in handling a weapon.
Schneider has questions, informed by her experience as a high school teacher:
The bill does not consider that many parents may not want their children attending a school in which one or more teachers have a loaded gun in the classroom. The bill does not require school officials to identify to parents exactly which teachers have loaded guns with them in their classrooms. The bill does not require teacher-arming districts to offer wary parents any alternative, such as immediate transfer to another school or non-packing district with transportation provided.
The bill does not require notifying parents of any safety precautions regarding having a loaded weapon in a classroom full of children.
The bill fails to consider any publicized safety protocol or any training for students or anyone else who must be in the classroom, day after day, with a loaded gun in the same room.
Is the teacher carrying a concealed weapon as that teacher works in close contact with students? Is it locked in a safe in the classroom? Who has access? Are the exact teachers “packing heat” kept a secret from parents and students? What if those teachers are discovered and publicized on social media? Do they then become marks by those who see it as a challenge to confront a teacher carrying a gun? Does it become a dangerous game to some students to try to steal the teacher’s gun? Does videoing the teacher’s gun become a social media challenge?
How will districts pay for the liability insurance? What companies will insure the 24-hour-trained, gun-toting teachers in rooms full of children?
She hopes Ohio will think some more about this decision.

Such a bill is the epitome of “Stupid””.” But then, that’s what right wing politicians do best.
LikeLiked by 1 person
AMEN, Joe, this bill is indeed the epitome of “STUPID.”
LikeLike
And this will stop the lunatics??? A serious addiction in need of serious cure.
LikeLiked by 1 person
the only change will be that now teachers will be blamed for actions or inaction instead of police officers
LikeLike
Here’s another proven idea.
Killer robots stationed in each room which become activated by the presence of any gun and shoot whoever possesses it.
I think Spot the robodog would probably do the job, except I,’d make the gun control fully autonomous.
LikeLike
By the way, Spot costs about $70k so add another $2k for an AR15 equipped Spot and multiply that by the number of classrooms and you get the cost to protect a given school.
A school with 50 classrooms would cost about $3.6 million to Spotify.
“Spot’s the name, spotting shooters is the game”
Just don’t tell the makers of the Robot (Boston Dynamics) what you plan to do because they don’t fancy the idea of SpotAR
LikeLike
And in his downtime. Spot could act as a teacher’s aid (getting the teacher a coffee, tutoring students in math, correcting papers,disciplining unruly students, etc)
LikeLike
Then again, if you had spot roaming the perimeter of the school with orders to shoot to kill anyone with a gun (even a plastic water pistol) maybe you’d only need one Spot.
LikeLike
Though this is satire, i’d bet there is some computer “scientist” working on such a plan at this very moment.
LikeLiked by 1 person
sadly, probably with Pentagon money
LikeLike
Ultimately the voters get the policies derived from whom they choose to vote for, for better or worse.
LikeLike
You are right. Elections matter. Vote for stupid, you get stupid.
LikeLike
Or sit out an election (or many, as in “Why bother to vote?”) & you get stupid.
LikeLike
Shame on Ohio. This state has been taken over by the right wing extremists and their toxic ideals.
LikeLike
The Ohio bill reduces the mandatory 150 hours to a mere 30 hours. Teachers are educators, not armed security. The state and districts are trying to put teachers in harm’s way so they can abrogate their responsibility to protect students and teachers. “HB99 puts my children and their teachers in danger by allowing their teachers to carry guns in the classroom with less training than a Little League umpire,” testified Ben Adams, a firefighter, paramedic and father of five. “It’s less training than you need to become a manicurist or a bus driver.”https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/arming-teachers-bill-ohio-peace-officer-training-hours-senate-house-opposition-buckeye-firearms-association-cincinnati-local-12-wkrc-tristate-ohio-kentucky-indiana-news
LikeLike
We need a nationwide Schoolout. Parents need to strike with teachers and students. Refuse to go to school until assault rifles are banned.
LikeLike
Everyone is exhausted. I don’t think parents and teachers have the energy – or money.
LikeLike
Sure, why not? Give teachers yet another hat to wear. Too much time on their hands.
“How many Hats?”
How many hats
Can one teacher wear?
How many cats
Can live on a stair?
How many dogs
Can live with the cats?
How many frogs
Can live in the hats?
How many jobs
Can one teacher do?
How many knobs
Will turn them to blue?
How many twits
Can turn out the laws?
How many writs
Are reason to pause?
LikeLike
The word backfire comes to mind.
LikeLike
Yes. Excellent idea. Let’s all start carrying machine guns. And when young children go on field trips let’s surround them with an ever vigilant army of tanks and armored school staff – so that the lunatics can’t get to them.
All, just to protect anyone’s right to buy a gun.
A self created “living in a war zone” paradigm – created by a capitalistic society gone mad.
Profits over peace.
LikeLike
I think the oscillating machine gun from hell that Walter White used in the final episode of Breaking Bad would work quite well.
The teachers and students could train to hit the deck when acertain alarm sounded, leaving on the shooter vulnerable.
The beauty is that the whole process would be automated obviating the need for teachers to do anything.
LikeLike
The Mythbuster guys tested the idea and ruled that it actually works.
LikeLike
If only our legislators had a little more imagination — or at least watched more Netflix
LikeLike
Yes – perfect planning. In addition we should create a tunnel – 2 school system, similar to what Gus Fring (in Better Call Saul) has created in his neighborhood. We could have a fake school the children enter . . . then travel under the tunnel to the real school where they spend the day. The bad guys will target the fake school, not knowing where they children really are.
LikeLike
And schools could buy a portable version for field trips that could be stashed in the trunk of a car and actuated exactly as Walter White did with the press of a clicker.
LikeLike
Yes, the fake school idea definitely has a lot of potential.
And maybe mobile fake schools combined with real schools on railroad tracks that regularly get moved around — like the plan for the MX missile, so the Ruskies wouldn’t know where the real missiles were on any given day.
LikeLike
The beauty is that the details of these ideas have already been worked out, so we know they would work with 200% certainty.
But we’d better call Saul, cuz we know our legislators are never going to be able to make any of this happen.
LikeLike
Or how about this?
We contract with the Romulans or Harry Potter (whoever gives the lower bid) to produce a cloaking device for students and/or entire classrooms or schools.
And photon torpedoes might be helpful as a backup.
LikeLike
As ridiculous as our exchange was…. in my mind the idea of arming teachers – or thinking of fortifying schools to the extent that it fully protects children from people with machine guns – is almost as ludicrous as our exchange.
Elementary schools are starting to go on field trips again . . . which is vital to child development.
What then? Where are the locked doors? What about recess? Outdoor learning?
Should the right to play outside and in and around your community ……. not be more important than right to stockpile machine guns?
What would James Madison have written in the 2nd amendment if he could have foreseen the future technology of weapons?
LikeLike
Or maybe we can just use a StarTrek transporter to transport the shooter to outer space like Captain Kirk did to NOMAD just before it had a fatal ” logic error” breakdown and exploded.
Or alternatively, transport an entire class to safety.
Why focus exclusively on arming teachers when there are so many alternatives that are just as (if not more) likely to actually work?
LikeLike
“Almost as ridiculous”?
I’d have to say their idea to give teachers guns is easily as — if not more — ridiculous.
At least the Walter White oscillating machine gun has been tested by Mythbusters and deemed “not a myth”.
Can the same be said about arming teachers?
I bet the Mythbusters would have a field day with that one.
LikeLike
Most teachers that have worked in public schools do not want to be responsible for carrying a gun. I have taught in elementary, middle and high school. Students are like dust. They are everywhere!
There is no safe place to store weapons. Even a safe can be cracked by some smart, determined juvenile. Teachers are busy and generally overwhelmed. Even a gun on a teacher’s person would not be safe. While the teacher is carrying something, gun could be lifted by a student. This is a horrible, reckless plan!
LikeLike
The GOP just keeps coming up with stupid ideas for the public schools and public school teachers whom they hate. Where will the guns and ammo be stored or will the educators have the loaded guns strapped to their waists or ankles? Some schools already have armed guards and we know how that worked out, in Columbine, for example. Have armed guards ever prevented a mass shooting?
A strange thing about the Uvalde massacre is that the school district appeared to have its own dedicated police force: Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department. I guess the school police department was paid with school tax dollars or their own special tax stream? This is weird and unique to me? There are the Uvalde city police and the school district police department, two police forces.
LikeLike
Back when I was still teaching (to August 14, 2005), the district where I taught for 30 years wouldn’t even allow our campus security officers to carry firearms, let alone teachers.
The fear was that a student would take a firearm away from one of the CPOs or teachers and kill the CPO or teacher and/or other students with that firearm and then the school district would be held responsible and end up in court for letting the CPOs and teachers have firearms that might be taken away from them.
LikeLike
Lloyd, that shows the great divide between red and blue states. The blue states consider the potential harm. The red states don’t have much capacity to understand consequences.
LikeLike
A simple solution for simple minded Ohio legislators. Do we really think they asked those questions? Some very wise person said, and I’m paraphrasing—Intelligent people question themselves & often have doubts, but stupid people are sure of themselves & have no doubts. Very scary when those stupid people gain positions of authority.
LikeLike
Instead of arming teachers, we should flood schools with dogs. You know. Puppies. Little ones. Big white Pyrenees with their loving temperament. Basset Hounds with sympathy pouring off them like warm water from a fountain. Active lapdogs that jump into every lap. A guy enters the school with vile intent and leaves a blubbering mass of sentimental protoplasm
LikeLike
Utah has a worse law than this for the last 15 years. Teachers and other staff can conceal carry in schools. They do not have to tell anyone they are carrying (even school and district administrators). All they have to do is qualify for a concealed carry permit, which is extremely easy to obtain and has no training requirements.
Thankfully, no one has been injured, but no shootings have been stopped either. A Utah teacher did shot a toilet as she was adjusting her holster after using the restroom. Idaho has a similar law and a professor shot himself in the foot. During class.
LikeLike
Shooting a toilet is completely warranted.
Toilets are a big threat: Weapons of craps destruction.
LikeLike
That’s just insane.
It never ceases to amaze me when I read about this sort of stuff that Utah actually seems to be worse — more idiotic — now than when I left 25 years ago. And it was pretty crazy.
LikeLike
I am not against people having weapons in their home for protection. However, the research shows that if there are guns in the home, people in the home are more likely going to get shot than stopping a bad guy with a gun.
LikeLike
I knew a woman who kept a gun in her home for protection. Her 14-year-old shot and killed himself with it.
Yeah, she did a great job of protecting her family.
LikeLike
This also passed with disgusting requirements at the last minute regarding intimate examinations of young girls to “protect” those who want to participate in sports.
It is legalized sexual abuse and will traumatize children.
There is no requirement for men as stringent as this and I would think it violates Title IX.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1533263117911613440.html
LikeLike
And this year’s winner of Most Deplorable State Legislature is. . . .
LikeLike
Attention, Students. However, took Ms. Mcfeely’s Glock19, please return it to the office. Thank you. Go Panthers!
LikeLike
cx: Whoever
Yikes
LikeLike
OK. I was a teacher. I like teachers. How many of my colleagues would I have liked to see locked and loaded?
How about None.
LikeLike
MS. LORELEI [presses intercom button]: Could you send someone down to my room? I need to go back to the cafeteria. I just had lunchroom duty. I think I left my purse there with my Sig Sauer P365 in it.
FRONT DESK LADY: No prob. Ms. Lorelei. Don’t worry, honey. It happens. All the time.
LikeLike