Bob Shepherd is a polymath who worked in the education industry for decades and was recently a teacher in Florida. He spent many years developing standardized tests. He has written often about their poor quality, their lack of reliability and validity.
In this post, he explains why he has reached these conclusions:
The dirty secret of the standardized testing industry is the breathtakingly low quality of the tests themselves. I worked in the educational publishing industry at very high levels for more than twenty years. I have produced materials for all the major textbook publishers and most of the standardized test publishers, and I know from experience that quality control processes in the standardized testing industry have dropped to such low levels that the tests, these days, are typically extraordinarily sloppy and neither reliable nor valid. They typically have not been subjected to anything like the validation and standardization procedures used, in the past, with intelligence tests, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills, and so on. The mathematics tests are marginally better than are the tests in ELA, US History, and Science, but they are not great. The tests in English Language Arts are truly appalling. A few comments about those:
The new state and national standardized tests in ELA are invalid.
First, much of attainment in ELA consists of world knowledge–knowledge of what–the stuff of declarative memories of subject matter. What are fables and parables, in what ways are they similar, and in what ways do they differ? What are the similarities and differences between science fiction and fantasy? What are the parts of a metaphor? How does a metaphor work? What is metonymy? What are the parts of a metonymy? How does it differ from synecdoche? What is American Gothic? What are its standard motifs? How is it related to European Romanticism and Gothic literature? How does it differ? Who are its practitioners? Who were Henry David Thoreau and Mary Shelley and what major work did each write and why is that work significant? What is a couplet? terza rima? a sonnet? What is dactylic hexameter? What is deconstruction? What is reader response? the New Criticism? What does it mean to begin in medias res? What is a dialectical organizational scheme? a reductio ad absurdum? an archetype? a Bildungsroman? a correlative conjunction? a kenning? What’s the difference between Naturalism and Realism? Who the heck was Samuel Johnson, and why did he suggest kicking that rock? Why shouldn’t maidens go to Carterhaugh? And so on. The so-called “standards” being tested cover ALMOST NO declarative knowledge and so miss much of what constitutes attainment in this subject. Imagine a test of biology that left out almost all world knowledge and covered only biology “skills” like–I don’t know–slide-staining ability–and you’ll get what I mean here. This has been a MAJOR problem with all of these summative standardized tests in ELA since their inception. They are almost entirely content free. They don’t assess what students ought to know. Instead, they test, supposedly, a lot of abstract “skills”–the stuff on the Gates/Coleman Common [sic] Core [sic] bullet list, but they don’t even do that.
Second, much of attainment in ELA involves mastery of procedural knowledge–knowledge of what to do. E.g.: How do you format a Works Cited page? How do you plan the plot of a standard short story? What step-by-step procedure could you follow to do that? How do you create melody in your speaking voice? How do you revise to create sentence variety or to emphasize a particular point? What specific procedures can you carry out to accomplish these things? But the authors of these “standards” didn’t think that concretely, in terms of specific, concrete, step-by-step procedural knowledge. Instead, in imitation of the lowest-common-denominator-group-think state “standards” that preceded theirs, they chose to deal in vague, poorly conceived abstractions. The “standards” being tested define skills so vaguely and so generally that they cannot, as written, be sufficiently operationalized, to be VALIDLY tested. They literally CANNOT be, as in, this is an impossibility on the level of building a perpetual motion machine or squaring the circle. Given, for example, the extraordinarily wide variety of types of narratives (jokes, news stories, oral histories, tall tales, etc.) and the enormous number of skills that it requires to produce narratives of various kinds (writing believable dialogue, developing a conflict, characterization via action, characterization via foils, showing not telling, establishing a point of view, using speaker’s tags properly, etc.), there can be no single question or prompt that tests for narrative writing ability IN GENERAL. This is a broad problem wtih the standardized ELA tests. Typically, they ask one or two multiple-choice questions per “standard.” But what one or two multiple-choice questions could you ask to find out if a student is able, IN GENERAL, to “make inferences from text” (the first of the many literature “standards” at each grade level in the Gates/Coleman bullet list)? Obviously, you can’t. There are three very different kinds of inference–induction, deduction, and abduction–and whole sciences devoted to problems in each, and texts vary so considerably, and types of inferences from texts do as well, that no such testing of GENERAL “inferring from texts” ability is even remotely possible. A moment’s clear, careful thought should make this OBVIOUS. So it is with most of the “standards” on the Gates/Coleman bullet list. And, of course, all this invalidity of testing for each “standard” can’t add up to overall validity, so, the tests do not even validly test for what they purport to test for.
Third, nothing that students do on these exams even remotely resembles what real readers and writers do with real texts in the real world. Ipso facto, the tests cannot be valid tests of actual reading and writing. People read for one of two reasons—to find out what an author thinks or knows about a subject or to have an interesting, engaging, significant vicarious experience. The tests, and the curricula based on them, don’t help students to do either. Imagine, for example, that you wish to respond to this post, but instead of agreeing or disagreeing with what I’ve said and explaining why, you are limited to explaining how my use of figurative language (the tests are a miasma) affected the tone and mood of my post. See what I mean? But that’s precisely the kind of thing that the writing prompts on the Common [sic] Core [sic] ELA tests do and the kind of thing that one finds, now, in ELA courseware. This whole testing enterprise has trivialized responding to texts and therefore education in the English language arts generally. The modeling of curricula on the all-important tests has replaced normal interaction with texts with such freakish, contorted, scholastic fiddle faddle. English teachers should long ago have called BS on this.
He wrote to explain why all standardized tests are not equally invalid:
Standardized tests are not all the same, so talk about “standardized tests” in general tends to commit what linguistic philosophers call a “category error”—a type of logical fallacy. George Lakoff wrote a book about categorization called Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things. He took the title from the classification system for nouns of the indigenous Australian language Dyribal. One of the noun categories in this language includes words referring to women, things with which one does violence (such as spears), phenomena that can kill (fire), and dangerous animals (such as snakes and scorpions). What makes this category bizarre to our ears is that the things in the category don’t actually share significant, defining characteristics. Women and things associated with them are not all dangerous. Speaking of all things balan (this category in the Dyribal language) therefore doesn’t make sense. The same is true of the phrase “standardized test.” It lumps together objects that are DIFFERENT FROM one another in profoundly important ways. Imagine a category, “ziblac,” that includes greyhound buses, a mole on Socrates’s forehead, shoelaces, Pegasus, and the square roots of negative numbers.” What could you say that was intelligible about things in the category “ziblac”? Well, nothing. Talking about ziblacs would inevitably involve committing category errors—assuming that things are similar because they share a category name when, in fact, they aren’t. If you say, “You can ride ziblacs” or “Ziblacs are imaginary” or “Ziblacs don’t exist,” you will often be spouting nonsense. Yes, some ziblacs belong to the class of things you can ride (greyhound buses, Pegasus), but some do not (shoelaces, imaginary numbers), and you can’t actually ride Pegasus because Pegasus exists only in stories. Some are imaginary (Pegasus, imaginary numbers), but they are imaginary in very different senses of the term. And some don’t exist (Pegasus, the mole on Socrates’s forehead), but don’t exist in very different ways (the former because it’s fictional, the latter because Socrates died a long time ago). When we talk of “standardized tests,” we are using such an ill-defined category, and a lot of nonsense follows from that fact.
Please note that there are many VERY DIFFERENT definitions of what “standardized test” means. The usual technical definition from decades ago was “a test that had been standardized, or normalized.” This means that the raw scores on the test had been converted to express them in terms of ”standard scores”–their number of standard deviations from the mean. You do this by starting with the raw score on a test, subtracting the population mean from it, and then dividing the difference by the population standard deviation. The result is a Z-score (or a T-score if the mean is taken to be 50 and the standard deviation is taken to be 10). People do this kind of “standardizing,” or “normalization,” in order to compare scores across students and subpopulations. Let’s call this “Standardized Test Definition 1.” Many measures converted in such a way yield a so-called “bell curve” because they deal with characteristics at that are normally distributed. An IQ test is supposed to be a test of this type. The Stanford 10 is such a Standardized Test, Definition 1.
Another, much broader definition is “any test that is given in a consistent form, following consistent procedures.” Let’s call this “Standardized Test Definition 2.” To understand how dramatically this definition of “standardized test” differs from the first one, consider the following distinction: A norm-referenced test is one in which student performance is ranked based on comparison with the scores of his or her peers, using normalized, or standardized, scores.. One of the reasons for standardized scores as per Definition 1, above, is to do such comparisons to norms. A criterion-referenced test is one in which student performance is ranked based on some absolute criterion—knowledge or mastery of some set of facts or skills. Which kind of scoring one does depends on what one is interested in—how the student compares with other students (norm-referenced) or whether the student has achieved some absolute “standard”—has or has not demonstrated knowledge of some set of facts or some skill (criterion-referenced). So, Standardized Test Type 2 is a much broader category, and includes both norm-referenced tests and criterion-referenced tests. In fact, any test can be looked at in the norm-referenced or criterion-referenced way, but which one does makes a big difference. In the case of criterion-referenced tests, one is interested in whether little Johnny knows that 2 + 2 = 4. In the case of norm-referenced tests, one is interested in whether little Johnny is more or less likely than students in general to know that 2 +_2 = 4. The score for a criterion-referenced test is supposed to measure absolute attainment. The score for a norm-referenced test is supposed to measure relative attainment. When states first started giving mandated state tests, a big argument given for these is that they needed to know whether students were achieving absolute standards, not just how they compared to other students. So, these state tests were supposed to be criterion-referenced tests, in which the reported was a measure of absolute attainment rather than relative attainment, which brings us to a third definition.
Yet another definition of “Standardized Test” is “any test that [supposedly] measures attainment of some standard.” Let’s call this “Standardized Test Definition 3.” This brings us to a MAJOR source of category error in discussions of standardized testing. The “standards” that Standardized Tests, Definition 3 supposedly measure vary enormously because some types of items on standards lists, like the CC$$, are easily assessed both reliably (yielding the same results over repeated administrations or across variant forms) and validly (actually measuring what they purport to measure), and some are not. In general, Math standards, for example, contain a lot more reliably and validly assessable items (the student knows his or her times table for positive integers through 12 x 12) than do ELA standards, which tend to be much more vague and broad (e.g., the student will be able to draw inferences from texts). As a result, the problems with the “standardized” state Math tests tend to be quite different from the problems with the state ELA tests, and when people speak of “standardized tests” in general, they are talking about very different things. Deformers simply assume that is people have paid a dedicated testing company to produce a test, that test will reliably and validly test its state standards. This is demonstrably NOT TRUE of the state tests in ELA for a lot of reasons, many of which I have discussed here: https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2020/03/19/why-we-need-to-end-high-stakes-standardized-testing-now/. Basically, the state ELA tests are a scam.
Understanding why the state ELA tests are a scam requires detailed knowledge of the tests themselves, which proponents of the tests either don’t have or have but aren’t going to talk about because such proponents are owned by or work for the testing industry. Education deformers and journalists and politicians tend, in my experience, to be EXTRAORDINARILY NAÏVE about this. Their assumption that the ELA tests validly measure what they purport to measure is disastrously wrong.
Which leads me to a final point: Critiques of the state standardized tests are often dismissed by Ed Deformers as crackpot, fringe stuff, and that’s easy for them to do, alas, because some of the critiques are. For example, I’ve read on this blog comments from some folks to the effect that intellectual capabilities and accomplishments can’t be “measured.” The argument seems to be based on the clear differences between “measurement” as applied to physical quantities like temperature and height and “measurement” as applied to intellectual capabilities and accomplishments. The crackpot idea is that the former is possible, and the latter is not. However, t is OBVIOUSLY possible to measure some intellectual capabilities and accomplishments very precisely. I can find out, for example, very precisely how many Kanji (Japanese logograms) you know, if any, or whether you can name the most famous works by Henry David Thoreau and Mary Shelley and George Eliot and T.S. Eliot. If you choose to disdain the use of the term “measurement” to refer to assessment of such knowledge, that’s simply an argument about semantics, and making such arguments gives opponents of state standardized testing a bad name—such folks get lumped together, by Ed Deformers, with folks who make such fringe arguments.
Like it or not, measurement has a very precise meaning which actually derives from the physical sciences.
So to claim that that challenging the use of the term when it is applied to standardized tests and learning is a crackpot idea demonstrates a misunderstanding of what measurement is.
As Duane Swacker (certainly no crackpot) has pointed out many times, if standardized tests are measuring something, those who are making that claim should be able to specify precisely what it is they are measuring and also specify the standard unit or units of measurement. If they can’t do that, they are not performing true measurements.
The reason is actually very simple. Science is all about independent replication. If one cannot even say/specify what it is that needs to be replicated, there is no way that one can independently replicate a result. If one requires the particular standardized test that was originally used to replicate the result, it’s not independent replication and therefore not science.
And that some crackpot Deformers label as crackpots those who challenge the use of the term measurement by developers and users of standardized testing is irrelevant.
Flat Earthers undoubtedly label anyone who believes the Earth is round a crackpot, but so what?
Now, now, folks…the term “crackpot” isn’t very collegial, is it?
The pot calling the kettle cracked—there has to be a poem in there somewhere (she hopes expectantly).
Deformers ARE crackpots.
They are science fakers.
A big part of the reason the Deformers (eg, think tank wankers and the billionaires who fund them) have been able to run roughshod over teachers, principals and other actual education experts is that far too few have been willing to call them what they are: crackpots.
For example, anyone who actually believes that VAM is legitimate science or even legitimate use of statistics is a crackpot.
And a stupid crackpot at that.
Imagine if rather than implementing VAM on a national scale as was done, the inventors and proponents of VAM (William Sanders, Eric Hanushek etAl) had instead been laughed right out of academia (as was deserved).
Thank Arne and Bill for VAM being imposed on everyone without evidence, other than studies on cows.
When it comes to education, Bill Gates and Arne Duncan are way out of their leagues (software and basketball, respectively)
And even within their own leagues, neither was particularly good.
Gates produced crappy software and Duncan played in a backwater basketball league (Australia’s National league)
I was accused of not being very “collegial” when having a conversation with an ed policy employee. Perhaps I was being called the crackpot.
I’m still hoping for a crackpot poem…usually we have one by now. 🙂
I have one about cracked bells. Will that do?
Crackbells
The Gates of Hell
Are leaved with gold
And Billy’s bell
Is loudly tolled
But bell is cracked
As we can see
Cuz Bill hijacked
Our liberty
Very good. For whom the Bill tolls.
So, specifically, what are standardized tests measuring?
And what is the unit of measurement?
And the answer cannot be in terms of the specific test . For example, a “point” on a particular test is not a valid measurement unit because it depends on that particular test and there is no way to create a one to one correspondence to a point on an entirely different test.
Compare that to an actual measurement of something like speed. Whether one measures speed with an odometer or radar gun (two entirely different methods), one gets the same result (within the error of the instruments) because one is measuring precisely the same thing in both cases and WHAT one is measuring does not depend on the particular method used . And even if the instruments give results in different units (one in km/he and the other in mile/hr), the two measurements can be converted one to the other because there is a precisely define one to one correspondence between the different units.
The is not just semantics because in science, words have very specific meanings — and for a very good reason.
As soon as one relaxes that requirement , it becomes impossible to do science.
Here’s a good example of something that is NOT true replication and therefore not science (even though it sounds ” sciencey”):
Simply rerunning computer code that implements a particular scientific model.
Of course the output will be identical for the same inputs. It means absolutely nothing and is actually a waste of time.
Doing science would involved coming up with an independent model for the process under study, writing new computer code to implement that model and then comparing the outputs of the different code for the same inputs.
Thank you for the detailed and researched commentary, Bob.
Can you speak to the definition of the tests that the acting DOE head in the Biden administration is putting on schools this year? Same old, same old or something new? There is talk of this year’s tests being used to “inform” educators about the impact of covid on student learning. I am very curious to know whether or not these tests will be used to compare populations geographically or make a comparison to their own past performance.
Great to start the day in Bob’s classroom learning from elegant precision about the bete noire of standardized testing. As I read the text, I kept thinking back to ED Hirsch’s 1987 ‘Cutural Literacy’ with its compendium of items whose knowledge defined a literate individual. Lots of singular items disconnected from each other; no context for their use, only taught and tested for surface meaning…wondering if you too see an origin for the CCSS partly in this landmark of nonsense.
Thank you for your astute insights into the scam of standardized testing. I have been fighting these callous, inaccurate “summations” of young people since the 1970s. When a teacher works with non-standard students like ELLs and appreciates the unique perspective these young people bring, it is hurtful to see them get cut off at the knees and shaken by such an inaccurate tool as a standardized test. My job was always to help students build on their success, and these tests do the opposite to ELLs. I have to wonder how Miguel Cardona can still believe in the value of such false instruments. Standardized testing is another form of corporate welfare, and they do not serve the best interests of students, particularly those that do not fit the standardized mold.
Standardized testing as corporate welfare. Very astute and accurate observation! And a good talking point to use with people who don’t follow issue. Let’s make standardized testing the political equivalent of the $1,000 dollar screwdriver and $600 toilet seats on military aircraft.
“I have to wonder how Miguel Cardona can still believe in the value of such false instruments.”
The Biden Administration is stacking the US Department of Education with the same cast of ed reformers from the same think tanks and foundations who have run US public education for the last 20 years.
I don’t think one can get a bigger DC ed policy job without being a member in good standing of the ed reform echo chamber.
I don’t think “Miguel Cardona” is making any of these decisions. How would he be? He was in Connecticut actually running a school district. He wouldn’t know any of these people.
Dr. Cardona is not currently making the decisions, but he is not opposed to inflicting standardized tests on the same type of population that I served. I see the harm in the tests, but he remains “neutral” to standardized testing.
Good stuff, Mr. Sheperd. So I’m wondering if “they” developed the perfect standardized test that actually measured what it is supposed to, would that be okay? So how do we determine what students in a particular grade or the end of high school should know and be able to do? Who could do that? Or in other words, are acceptable standardized tests possible?
They don’t actually specify precisely what the tests are supposed to be measuring because they can’t.
The truth is , they have only a very vague idea what it is that they claim to be measuring, so they label it with a similarly vague term like “learning” or “achievement” which basically means anything they want it to mean. (Like Humpty Dumpty in that regard)
Their logic is actually circular.
Q: what does the standardized test measure?
A: learning.
Q: and what is learning?
A: What(ever) the test measures.
Its actually hilarious.
Chuck Jordan Of course, I don’t speak for Bob, and I’ll be interested to hear his response to your pertinent questions.
That said, his rich analysis reflects two long-standing, rooted, but related problems in education and even, more generally, in our understanding of science and critical analyses themselves.
(1) The centuries-old degenerative effects of scientific positivism on all fields . . . and so in education, which draws from all of those fields.
As Bob’s note reflects at several points, briefly, instead of science being a critical method with defined terms that, BTW, can be adapted to any data, “science” has become confused with ONLY the data of the natural and physical sciences, with some obligatory bowing to the science of statistics.
That confusion leaves all human sciences out in left field, so to speak; and it leaves the arts and humanities, literature and, in some minds, history, even further away from anything real, of import, testable (by positivist methods) or worth funding.
For education, this warped philosophical underpinning bleeds its way into all “stakeholders” minds and leaves anything that concerns the whole child and their FULL development . . . at best, table-leavings in the thought of the powers that be and, at worst, drummed out of the “critical” aspects of education.
(2) The above half-light situation (badly-understood “science” but with the other essential lights gone missing) has become married to money and the tech industry . . . and is now the House of Limited Horizons where corporate America has set up its capitalist activities.
If deformers, Gates, et al don’t consciousness exploit the two-fold problem with its pervasive propaganda, they are doing everything a conscious exploiter would do to advance their oh-so-shallow and culturally corrosive cause.
Thanks to Bob for an excellent essay. CBK
What did you think of Carranza advocating Opt Out before he resigned.
And what do we know of the new NYC Chancellor?
All I know is this.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/school-superintendent-celebrated-promotion-with-extravagant-gala/
I think Carranza was great to support opting out of unnecessary tests. I don’t know anything about the new chancellor.
Diane,
I totally agree!
DeBlasio hasn’t kept any of his education promises!
It says it all that you base your judgement on a NY Post article about her birthday party.
If the NY Post did an article about how much the PTA at Stuy charged parents who are so poor that their kids qualify for free and reduced lunches to attend their Spring Feasts and their Galas and Auctions, would FLERP! believe it just proved that Stuy is filled with out of touch affluent parent who can afford paying thousands of dollars for test pep classes and that’s why they assumed that $111 or $90 was a small amount for their parents to pay, or did it prove some deeper corruption to FLERP!? After all, FLERP! seems to be certain that what is significant is not what people do with their lives, but how much a party they sponsor costs attendees.
Somehow the outrage at $111 isn’t there when public schools and charter schools charge significantly more per head in order to exclude the parents they do not want to attend.
I didn’t say I based my judgment on it. I said it’s all I know about her.
FLERP!,
What kind of excuse is that? “All I know” is what I read in the NY Post? That’s the excuse that the insurrectionists used for why they believed that their attempt to remove Biden and replace him with Trump was correct. All they know is that they read that Biden stole the election. They could even link to some “news source” that said that.
There were dozens of articles you could have linked to about this person, and you CHOSE that “all you know” would be one from the NY Post.
Oh crap, I’m just like the insurrectionists!
FLERP! LOL! CBK
All I know is what I read in the NY Post!
When a senior administrator has her employees organize a $45k over-the-top gala to celebrate her birthday and promotion—at which she is delivered onstage via a glass elevator and appear wearing a tiara and glitter dress—it suggests a shaky grasp of ethics and terrible judgment. That’s not promising, in my view.
But on the other hand, it is the only news story I’ve ever seen about her, and the fact it was in the NY Post means the real takeaway is I’m like the insurrectionists.
NYC public school parent Just fyi, I didn’t read FLERP’s note in the same way you did. That is, where I thought FLERP was qualifying his/her comment by showing its limitations up front, an insurrectionist’s mentality would be saying “this is what I know, and that’s all there is to know about it.” FWIW. CBK
CBK,
There are many articles that include a lot more information about this woman beyond her tiara — FLERP! chose to link to the NY Post’s usual attempt to smear DOE employees appointed by Carranza as a way to undermine Carranza. Don’t you know that all non-white DOE employees just want to use the system to their financial advantage, while all white DOE employees who complain about these supposedly greedy and inept non-white DOE employees who have risen higher than they have are victims of anti-white racism.
A bunch of DOE employees had a party which actually happens a lot. They did not use school funds for the party, they used their own. But the haters still had to find something to discredit them — she wore a tiara! While I don’t favor tiaras myself, the idea that someone would belittle a person because they happen to believe that other people’s fashion choices are just too tacky for words is really disgusting. The judgemental nastiness of the tiara remark says it all. There is a kind of disgusting snobbery where wearing outrageously expensive high heeled shoes or snob-approved designer clothes is fine, but a tiara and “glitter dress” (read: not snob-approved) is bad.
What I dislike about this is that it’s about hate. This isn’t about “judgement” — it is about a snobbery. If only this Bronx African American woman had held her party at a fancy downtown location with designer clothes that meets snob-approval, having attendees pay twice as much would have been fine.
No one questions the judgement of a charter school CEO who walks around in designer clothes or shoes that may cost multiple times the cost of a voluntary ticket. $111 is suddenly a huge amount of money to the same people who don’t complain when PTAs charge even more for access to their events.
FLERP! linked to the nastiest story possible about this woman. Why? Because “it’s all he/she knew?”
Ironic that now everyone mourns Carranza after they have spent 3 years minimizing every good thing he did to focus only on the much smaller number of missteps he took because something he said was not suitably politically correct??
NYC public school parent I think you missed my point . . . but that’s okay. CBK
CBK,
I understood your point. I think you missed what FLERP!’s innuendo was all about.
I don’t understand why you missed it when FLERP! made it very clear what the intent of his/her original link to the NY Post story was all about:
“When a senior administrator has her employees organize a $45k over-the-top gala to celebrate her birthday and promotion—at which she is delivered onstage via a glass elevator and appear wearing a tiara and glitter dress—it suggests a shaky grasp of ethics and terrible judgment. That’s not promising, in my view.”
Ironic because what most people would think is a shaky grasp of ethics and terrible judgement is a school official releasing the private records of a 6 year old child to smear him publicly with the intent to ruin his life as punishment because that child told the truth and the school official didn’t like that the truth reflected negatively on her.
My own vision of what a shaky grasp of ethics is would certainly include a school official devoting enormous amounts of time and effort to help Betsy DeVos get confirmed because that school official’s billionaire funders like DeVos. Or maybe it’s just “terrible judgement” when a school official believes that Betsy DeVos’ confirmation as Secretary of Education will be so good for the most vulnerable children in this country that the school official spends enormous effort giving speeches and press interviews and writing op eds endorsing DeVos. Believing the poor kids needed Betsy DeVos to make their lives better demonstrates “terrible judgement” and working to insure that Betsy DeVos is empowered to do whatever she wants is “terrible judgement.”
But wearing a tiara and a glitter dress? That is a style choice. It doesn’t hurt children. And one has to have a shaky grasp of ethics or terrible judgement to believe that wearing a tiara and glitter dress should be used to demonize a school administrator. Double standard.
NYC public school parent Apparently, you did not get my point. The point was, I try not to make a judgment on something important via what you are calling innuendo. Perhaps my “issue” is projecting onto others a critical attitude about what judgments, or postponements of them, we make. CBK
“When a senior administrator has her employees organize a $45k over-the-top gala to celebrate her birthday and promotion—at which she is delivered onstage via a glass elevator and appear wearing a tiara and glitter dress—it suggests a shaky grasp of ethics and terrible judgment. That’s not promising, in my view.”
I defer to your wisdom. FLERP! posted the above comment in which he/she acknowledged exactly their intent when they posted the NY Post article. But apparently I am misreading this, so feel free to educate me.
The NY Post is an incredibly biased source that (as I showed below) looks for whatever negative take they can find regarding unions and public schools.
When people post — as I did below — citations from the anti-teachers’ union anti-public school NY Post with an “all I know is this”, it seems rather disingenuous for that person to disavow that there was any negative intent. After all, all they know is that the reliable NY Post said it and they felt it would be helpful for readers of this blog to know.
CBK,
Here is what Jamaal Bowman says about her, but I’m sure that the characterization that was presented by FLERP! was intended to be more “fair and balanced” since it was based what was in the NY Post! She did wear a tiara after all.
“Representative Jamaal Bowman, a former middle school principal in the Bronx who was elected to Congress last year, said he was “overjoyed” by Ms. Porter’s appointment, describing her as a “visionary” who “lives and breathes equity.”
“I’m just excited about her tackling issues like the school-to-prison pipeline and bringing more of a focus on restorative justice into our schools, bringing more social workers and counselors than cops into our schools, our schools being much more culturally responsive and anti-racist,” he said.”
NYC Well, we want to, but cannot know everything about everything; and so we should all be so willing to “up front” the particularity of our ignorance especially in public forums. Maybe the Tierra thing was a flopped joke and not meant to make her look like a self-absorbed idiot, politically-speaking.
BTW, you should see our gay-pride parades here in California (pre-pandemic) . . . Tierra’s galore, and then everyone goes back to regular living, whatever THAT means. How about we get on with it? CBK
CBK,
In the past we have agreed on how these kinds of insidious mischaracterizations of progressives are promoted in the right wing media until they became a talking point of both sides and “even the liberal NYT” acknowledges how terrible this progressive leader is.
I’m actually astonished that you think FLERP!’s intent at posting an 18 month old NY Post article that was a complete smear attempt was a good faith effort to enlighten “schoolgal” who asked “What do we know of the new NYC Chancellor?” Really?
Did you read anything at all in that NY Post article that was useful? The ONLY thing we learned from the NY Post link is that this woman has a shaky grasp of ethics and terrible judgement. Period. That is the entirety of the article.
In fact, if “all we know” is the article, by rights we should be questioning the judgement and integrity of Jamaal Bowman who apparently was willing to overlook all the bad things about this educator that are the entirety of the “helpful” NY Post article.
Did you read my links below? Imagine if someone asked me about the teachers union in NY State and I posted “all I know” is this NY Post article about how the union would sacrifice children to pursue their goals to allow lazy teachers to sit at home and pretend to teach.
I thought we both understood the disingenuousness of those kinds of replies.
I’m sure there are positives and negatives about the new Chancellor, but posting that NY Post hit piece was not an attempt to discuss them. Just like my posting a NY Post hit piece on the teachers’ union would not be a sign I wanted to have a real discussion about the pros and cons of re-opening schools.
How many times have you typed “FLERP!” in this comment thread?
^^If a parent who knows almost nothing about the standardized testing debate asks for information, if I give her this link from the NY Post and say “all I know is this”, you SHOULD be questioning my motives:
“NY education leaders are exploiting the pandemic to drop all school standards”
“Schoolchildren have gotten the short end of every stick all pandemic long, from unpredictable closures and virtual learning to stressed-out teachers and a wholesale dropping of standards and accountability. But the New York state teachers’ union is eager to hide the bad news by killing standardized exams.”
How many times did “he who must not be named” attack my writing style or make snarky comments instead of actually addressing the criticisms I made because “he who must not be named” gratuitously posted a NY Post hit job on the new Chancellor?
So much easier to post a snarky response instead of simply acknowledging that the NY Post hit job on the new Chancellor was the wrong way to “inform” people who wanted to know more about the new Chancellor.
Do you also doubt the judgement and integrity of Jamaal Bowman who thinks the new Chancellor is very good?
I don’t have any reason to doubt Jamaal Bowman’s integrity but I certainly don’t defer to his judgment, and I’m not impressed by a string of buzzwords like “equity” and “restorative justice” and “culturally responsive” and “anti-racism.” I’ll wait and make my own judgment, but I’m not optimistic.
NYC I think you, and this whole discussion, still point to the loss of Walter Cronkite.
IOW, . . . it points to the questioner’s and reader’s ability and willingness to check further (non-echo-chamber) resources themselves, especially where their own judgments are needed in an issue or about a person. this takes someone who can stand or even invites nuance.
I suppose overall, the greater WE, at least in the US, are in-between those who are and do, and those who aren’t and don’t. For the later, I saw an interview yesterday between a CNN reporter and an election denier. The denier, a not-kooky-looking youngish blonde woman, said she believed the pillow-guy over a series of judges any day. So they’re out there . . . and where literary images speak much louder than philosophical treatises, or even critically referenced field writings transposed into common language.
But NYC Flerp’s response to your note, about being like the insurrectionists, WAS funny. Also, I don’t live in New York . . . so my interests don’t demand that I follow up on every link, purported fact, or apparent innuendo, nor do my time limitations. Can we leave it now? Maybe I should be sorry I even responded . . . ? CBK
CBK, probably should just save yourself and denounce me and my comments.
FLERP I shouldn’t even be in this argument in the first place. It’s not like it’s religion or something . . . . (is humor the same thing as snark?) CBK
That is always the question.
I have no idea whether the new school Chancellor will be good or bad.
But I know for a fact that judging her based on hit jobs in the NY Post isn’t making any real attempt to learn about her.
You’ve already voiced your strong opinion about her and you are welcome to it. I don’t know why you get so defensive if someone calls out the news source that is the basis for your “informed” opinion, but you have every right to inform yourself by reading the news sources you find trustworthy and fair-minded.
CBK says: “But NYC [he who must not be named]’s response to your note, about being like the insurrectionists, WAS funny.”
Yes, very funny. Notice I’m not debating whether it was funny or not.
Here is what I wrote that caused someone to make a “funny” response:
“‘All I know” is what I read in the NY Post? That’s the excuse that the insurrectionists used for why they believed that their attempt to remove Biden and replace him with Trump was correct. All they know is that they read that Biden stole the election. They could even link to some “news source” that said that.
There were dozens of articles you could have linked to about this person, and you CHOSE that “all you know” would be one from the NY Post.”
I stand by my comment, which is something I feel pretty strongly about — the idea that people don’t have to defend beliefs anymore as long as they can cite that they read it somewhere.
But who wants to discuss that when it’s much more fun to link to one sided articles from anti public school right wing news sources that demonize public educators and then post snarky comments when someone calls it out?
Look, I get that being snarky is fun and makes people laugh. Frankly, Rush Limbaugh made a hugely successful career at being funny that way — I remember when Rush began to get famous decades ago and plenty of people who didn’t agree with his politics enjoyed him for how funny he was.
(Before “he who must not be named” attacks me and tries to make a snarky comment accusing me of saying he is “just like Rush Limbaugh”, let me state for the record that is NOT what I am doing and this reference is not about “he who must not be named”.)
But snark is also used to deflect from having to defend the offensive things people are implying. When someone challenges that offensive comment, snarky replies are used to deflect.
I can’t recall a single time that Diane Ravitch has replied to a comment using snark or has written a post filled with snark. That is not her style. She defends her positions with argument and fact, not snark. That’s why I read this blog. I would not be interested in reading an education blog full of snark, just like I never did enjoy Rush Limbaugh even in those early days when other people found him funny.
NYC . . . .sigh . . . . (cbk)
Never mind what I wrote above defending the public school educator that Jamaal Bowman admires from being demonized by the NY Post.
CBK, you probably should just save yourself and denounce me and my comments.
I apologize for defending Meisha Porter. I should be denounced because she is clearly just as terrible as the informative NY Post article that “he who may not be named” so helpfully posted says she is.
How dare I disagree? Denounce me!
Iposted this wonderful piece at OpEd https://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Combating-Standardized-Tes-in-Best_Web_OpEds-Education_Education-Funding_Education-Testing_Educational-Crisis-210226-767.html#comment785937
with this intro ( cannot use more than 92 characters to introduce a link)
” ‘The dirty secret of the standardized testing industry is the breathtakingly low quality of the tests themselves.’ says Bob Shepherd who worked in the education publishing industry for decades, developing standardized tests, writing often about their poor quality, lack of reliability &validity. He explains:’Please note that there are many VERY DIFFERENT definitions of what “standardized test”means.; Understanding why the state ELA tests are a scam requires detailed knowledge of the tests themselves, which proponents of the tests either don’t have but aren’t going to talk about because such proponents are owned by or work for the testing industry. Education deformers, journalists & politicians tend, in my experience, to be EXTRAORDINARILY NAÏVE about this. Their assumption that the ELA tests validly measure what they purport to measure is disastrously wrong.” Read, learn the the truth!
and as a comment I quoted: “This is a must read. Here is his final point: ” \Critiques of the state standardized tests are often dismissed by Ed Deformers as crackpot, fringe stuff, and that’s easy for them to do, alas, because some of the critiques are. For example, I’ve read on this blog comments from some folks to the effect that intellectual capabilities and accomplishments can’t be “measured.” The argument seems to be based on the clear differences between “measurement” as applied to physical quantities like temperature and height and “measurement” as applied to intellectual capabilities and accomplishments. The crackpot idea is that the former is possible, and the latter is not. However, t is OBVIOUSLY possible to measure some intellectual capabilities and accomplishments very precisely. I can find out, for example, very precisely how many Kanji (Japanese logograms) you know, if any, or whether you can name the most famous works by Henry David Thoreau and Mary Shelley and George Eliot and T.S. Eliot. If you choose to disdain the use of the term “measurement” to refer to assessment of such knowledge, that’s simply an argument about semantics, and making such arguments gives opponents of state standardized testing a bad namesuch folks get lumped together, by Ed Deformers, with folks who make such fringe arguments.”
Susan I don’t think Gates and many others are “crackpots” when it comes to their support for eradicating diseases, and other medical concerns. However, I think there’s plenty of evidence that they deserve the title CRACKPOT when it comes to understanding education.
BTW, I appreciate your notes here. CBK
Bob Shepherd makes so many good points here. Thank you.
I did have some questions because I also think test questions that supposedly test “knowledge” are problematic also:
“What is metonymy? What are the parts of a metonymy? How does it differ from synecdoche? What is American Gothic? What are its standard motifs? How is it related to European Romanticism and Gothic literature? How does it differ? Who are its practitioners? Who were Henry David Thoreau and Mary Shelley and what major work did each write and why is that work significant?”
Who decides what “knowledge” is necessary and what isn’t? I had to look up “metonymy”. Does that mean a private high school student who was taught that definition is more knowledgeable?
I took those Iowa Basic standardized tests in the early 1970s and I always scored high because they didn’t test “knowledge”. My entire K-12 social studies was studying American History over and over and we read the “literature” that was in our Wide Horizons reading book. But I knew how to learn, which should be more important than whether I knew an approved number of “facts”.
I do understand the original concept behind having a standardized test. Decades ago, there were overlooked kids who supposedly didn’t have the right “knowledge” because of their backgrounds, but had a the real knowledge necessary to read and answer reading comprehension questions. One of the problems is that in trying to make reading comprehension questions “better”, they simply made them idiotic and incomprehensible, but because having idiotic and incomprehensible questions benefited the ed reform agenda, that was okay.
Standardized tests are a terrible way to judge students and even worse way to judge teachers. But classroom grades alone are also a flawed way to judge students. If standardized exams were designed without the political agenda, they could be a useful tool – when used along with classroom grades – to give one more reference point about a student.
And judging teachers by their students’ test scores is truly idiotic. However, there should be better ways to evaluate teachers because there are a few (very few) teachers who should not be teaching and when there are, no one wants to remove them or even require them to do better, and that’s part of the problem.
Do any of you know a charter school teacher who champions standardized testing? Do you know what charter school teachers think of standardized testing? Or do they just go along for the ride, voicing no opinion, to keep their jobs?.
Mr. Shepherd knows what he’s talking about. The one thing the tests will tell us is from which socioeconomic level the kids tested come. They are extraordinarily expensive and have caused curriculum to be greatly narrowed.
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FLERP! I don’t know how to express a “Like” on comments posted here, but I will just type, here & now, that I would press “Like” to all your comments above.
(Especially, “Oh, crap, I’m just like the insurrectionists!”)
All I know is this:
NY Post, December 7, 2020.
“By bending to teachers union, de Blasio repeatedly fails NY schoolchildren
“Combine Hizzoner’s foolish solicitude for the union with understandable but uninformed fear on the part of teachers and some parents, and an unfortunate theme emerges: Children suffered grievously owing to the irresponsibility of adults upon whom they rely.
The UFT’s demands have left kids dependent on a damaging patchwork of remote instruction, which began in the 2019-20 year and continued into this year. Meanwhile, many of the city’s charter, private and religious schools mounted effective remote instruction last spring and used the summer months to sharpen their online-education infrastructure and/or design safe procedures for in-person re-opening.”
NY Post, January 23, 2021.
“NY education leaders are exploiting the pandemic to drop all school standards”
“Schoolchildren have gotten the short end of every stick all pandemic long, from unpredictable closures and virtual learning to stressed-out teachers and a wholesale dropping of standards and accountability. But the New York state teachers’ union is eager to hide the bad news by killing standardized exams.”
retiredbutmissthekids, I will try to link to more stories from the NY Post since you find them so helpful in the discussions here.
You can do it on the WordPress app. And I just liked your comment.
Painting all standardized tests with the same broad brush is a mistake. Bob made it very clear that the root of the problem with the Common Core ELA tests is the vague and very subjective learning standards that test developers are forced to use. The incompatibility of these standards with the objective MC testing format produce invalid and unreliable scores that have zero value.
No knowledgeable educator thinks that standardized tests can be used to “measure” learning in the same way we can measure the height or weight of a student. They can be used to determine whether or not a student gained knowledge or skills regarding objective and age appropriate standards. There is a reason that we hear virtually no complaints or outrage over the grade 4 and 8 science tests federally mandated under NCLB and now ESSA
I agree with this nuanced view. I have the greatest respect for Bob who – as you point out – addresses this issue which is more complicated than “all tests are bad”. It’s why I find Bob’s posts so informative.
I can only speak from a parent perspective, but I don’t think the “all testing is bad” argument is one that very persuasive with parents. I understand that it’s difficult to talk about the nuances of this, but I wish there was a concerted effort to make the nuanced arguments against standardized testing to parents and the rest of the public. I think that the ed reformers benefit and are delighted that this issue is presented as “anti-testing” versus “pro-testing” because it’s easier for them to attack the idea of rejecting all testing, period, than to defend the kinds of tests they are pushing which parents do not like. And they never have to defend the kinds of testing they are pushing — they just have to say that abolishing all testing period forever is a bad idea.
Some very excellent points here; and though many teachers are parents, we seem to lose sight of that perspective. The perception (aka “reality”) that teachers are anti testing is certainly not helping the image of our profession. Opposing the misuse of test scores to threaten and punish schools is a little less nuanced argument and one that teachers should be focusing on. Teachers are already getting a lot of emotional criticism regarding our hesitancy or refusal to reopen schools for in person instruction. Given the tennuos condition of public education, complaining about testing this year just seems to be an unwise choice.
In the era of click bait, sound bites, and tweeting, making nuanced arguments that change popular opinion is very difficult if not impossible. Regarding CC testing teachers are really in a no win situation given the fact that superficial and quasi intuitive arguments for testing this year will beat nuance every time in the eyes of parents and taxpayers.
I wonder why Bob spent so much time in the testing industry.
“However, it is OBVIOUSLY possible to measure some intellectual capabilities ”
The first question that needs to be asked is not whether it’s possible to measure “some intellectual capabilities” but whether the intellectual capabilities we can measure are worth measuring—especially in education.
Bob suggests that measuring in case of testing in education is supposed to be different from measuring is science. But the evaluation of test scores (especially in case of a standardized test) is done the same way as with scientific data, like statistics is used to make charts. So we are using scientific methods to evaluate supposedly non-scientific data. How do we know that this is a valid process?
The problem is that the data obtained via a test is unlike the data we get in science. In science, the data reflects reality while the data obtained in educational tests is highly questionable. For example, many kids are nervous during taking a test and hence their answers will not reflect what they really know. So if the data doesn’t reflect reality, how can any method, scientific or not, massage it so that reality somehow appears from them?
I submit that in a class where the teacher has an intense personal interaction with every student, the teacher gains enough information about each student to make tests unnecessary. Not only the teacher can predict the outcome of a test but can also tell which student will underperform on the test compared to what she really knows. Can any method of test evaluation come this close to reflect reality?
I do not see the value of tests in education, and to me, trying to measure knowledge appears to be too unreliable and complicated to be worthwhile, so I guess call me a crackpot.
Standardized tests have benefits that extend beyond the fool’s errand of accurately “measuring” knowledge. The benefits can only be derived with objective standards that are age appropriate. Objective standards and tests in math, science, and history provide a focus for teachers, forming the framework for curricula and preventing coursework that would otherwise be at the whim of the teacher. Standardized tests also provide a point of focus and motivation for students. New York’s Regents exams are an excellent example of such standardized exams; ask any high schooler and they can tell you their scores, often with the pride of achievement.
I think standardized medical board exams have benefits. And I have no problem with the idea that they “measure” something. But it will be interesting when the “standardized tests are meaningless” reaches tests like medical boards, if it hasn’t already.
My guess is that medical boards and law exams test what was taught in medical school and in law school.
They may not be graded on a curve.
But I can’t say for sure since I have never taken one.
The standardized tests required in K-12 schools often have no connection to what was taught in school; oftentimes they are guessing games. Some questions have two right answers. I have seen questions that had no right answer. They are social constructs of dubious validity and reliability.
Their hidden agenda is to replace the teachers’ judgment with decisions made by test publishers, which are allegedly “objective.”
It’s a bad way to judge children and their abilities.
Fair argument if cabined to K-12. But that’s a far cry from “standardized tests are meaningless” or “standardized tests measure nothing except income.” Because most of us (even on this blog) trust standardized tests in some contexts, such as medicine or law. Although not everyone does—some argue that medical board exams, bar exams, and certainly entrance exams like the MCAT and LSAT should be abolished because they have a negative disparate impact on certain group categories.
Whenever I think of good lawyering, I remember my courses in logic, and then helping someone prepare for the LSAT. Passing that test is certainly not sufficient for a good lawyer made, but it certainly is a necessary background to have for that profession.
I think K-12 is a quite different animal, so to speak however, where we are preparing people with general and developmental knowledge, to become as human as they can, and to prepare to live in a civilized culture, and not yet for the specifics of a profession.
In my personal experience with those tests, back in the mid-50’s, I remember wondering why they didn’t tell me what I missed so I could learn it. I never found out and I never asked, but it was as simple as that. I was shy and our classes were overflowing with students . . . some of us shared a seat at times. CBK
I do not think anybody would make such sweeping statements like “standardized tests are meaningless”. Nobody denies the existence of professional standards and the possible need to test the familiarity with them, plus people’s expertise here is mostly in education.
Lol, Mate, you need to read the comments here more closely.
All Common Core exams (PARCC, SBAC, Questar) are “criterion-referenced”. That is, scores purport to “measure” student performance against a fixed set of learning standards. Unlike in science and engineering, these “measures” and the corresponding “cut scores” which determine proficiency levels are completely arbitrary and judgmental. So these tests “measure” whatever the test makers want them to “measure”. If they were valid and reliable, PARCC, SBAC, and NYS Questar scores would be interchangeable; they are not. This is problematic as far as validity and reliability are concerned.
Even if the cut scores were “thoughtfully” determined, those tests are invalid. See nervous testtakers, etc.
As you note, the “cut scores” (the difference between a 3 and a 4, or the difference between “basic” and “proficient” are completely subjective.
On the Common Core tests, the cut scores were set artificially high so that most kids would be scored as “failing.”
This was done because of a dogmatic belief in “high standards” and “if you set the bar higher, kids will try harder.”
All nonsense.
But tests don’t reflect reality, hence kids are proud of possibly questionable high scores and other kids are embarrassed about questionable low scores. Thoughtful, slow thinkers usually score low.
Even in math, whatever you test is rarely the reason for teaching and learning math. On math tests, they test for technologies, formulas, and people get the impression that’s what math is, collection of formulas and techniques they never ever use in their lives.
In my opinion tests are simply the implicit admission of the fact that teachers teach too many kids to be able to suitably interact with each of them to find out what they know.
Again and again and again: scores on tests rank people (kids against kids) and something (knowledge against knowledge), and these things are rarely rankable. Most things, in fact, cannot be ranked. Do we run around saying
Yesterday I tested myself and I found that I love mom 60 out of 100. So mom (or I?) failed. I have to love mom more tomorrow. I also think mom has to be more lovable, but she says, it’s my fault I just have to do better on the test next time.
I read the 2nd Harry Potter book last and it scored 82 out of 100. Since the first book scored 84 out of 100, I liked it more.
But apparently it’s OK to say
I solved 60 out 100 math problems in 100 minutes on the ACT, so I dunno math, and college has to wait at least a year.
I recalled the first names of only 7 presidents out of 10, so I have to study all weekend long.
I messed up 4 grammatical terminologies out of 10 on the test and now I’ll spend the Spring break studying grammar, so I have to cancel my original plan of reading one book per day during the break.
I was so nervous on my Spanish test that I remembered the English translation of only half of the words. I don’t know what to do since I am always nervous on tests.
I think we are used to giving tests so much that we don’t question the sense of them. Not only that, we rank and rate stuff all the time, without thinking about whether rating and ranking make sense in the context.
Teachers who advocate against all testing are undermining the credibility of the profession.
That’s a brave statement, RATT, and on the verge of being insulting.
In any case, what I am against is scoring and giving grades. Ranking is a mistake. If tests in education are not evaluating a scientific object (and that’s what Bob said), they shouldn’t be evaluated using the methods that are used to evaluate science data.
I meant “If tests in education are not testing a scientific object …”
The only tests that educators should support are those that give immediate diagnostic information about the students’ needs and progress.
They should opposed tests that have no diagnostic value, which is, all the federally mandated tests.
Mate,
I agree with you about nervous test takers and the like, but that doesn’t make all tests useless or invalid, it just makes a test something that is useful as one standard among many to use.
With regards to medical licensing, board tests have to be PASSED. Period. There is a minimum proficiency, but a student who passes with a higher score is not considered a better doctor based entirely on the score on their medical board exam. And as far as I know, someone can’t study and walk into the boards and pass the exam and hang out a sign they are a doctor. They have to show that they have had coursework and certification that they have had time working in a medical facility under the supervision of “teachers” – those in medical schools who are responsible for for their education.
You are right that it would be ridiculous if anyone who could pass the medical boards could become a doctor — no need to spend money on medical school, just hire someone who can teach you enough to pass a written exam!
But flerp! is right that most people don’t have a problem with the knowledge that their doctor also had to prove they met the minimum proficiency to pass a test, even if they may be nervous.
Tests can be used that way in education, also. I don’t think a teacher who gives math tests instead of evaluating a student’s classwork via some other method is a bad teacher. But I also admire teachers who are interested in what a student may be learning beyond a test score and would also evaluate them like that.
But teachers’ evaluations based on their personal judgement are no more perfect than tests. The issues are different, but I could cite many reasons why a teacher’s personal evaluation of a student based only on what they believe the student has demonstrated in the class without testing can also be flawed.
Exams doctors or pilots have to take are unlike the tests in education. For example, it’s completely in the purview of these tests to figure out how a surgeon or pilot would react in a stressful situation, and how quickly they can come up with a solution to the problems.
But I see no reason for kids to take stressful and timed tests, can you? While one way or another teachers have to figure out how much students know, and we can call this testing, but then I do not see why kids need to be ranked according to these tests, hence I do not see the justification for scores.
Obtaining high scores on tests is the wrong motivation to study any subject in K-12.
Standardized tests have deficits that outweigh their benefits. They are meant to replace, not supplement, the judgment of the teacher.
The question are often poorly worded, with more than one right answer.
The answers are sometimes wrong.
Read Daniel Koretz “Measuring Up” and “The Testing Charade” to learn how many errors are embedded in the testing process.
Why do you want your students to think that every question has only one right answer? Life isn’t like that.
I agree with you about all the flaws with the standardized tests. And it is absolutely outrageous that they are supposed to replace teachers’ judgements and not supplement them.
The misuse of these exams is atrocious.
But as a parent, I didn’t have the same knee jerk reaction to the Regents’ Exams (at least until some of them got taken over by the same flawed thinking as the state tests).
Teachers used Regents exam scores as one of many factors in evaluating a student – if they used those scores at all (that was a school-based decision). Colleges outside of some New York public colleges didn’t care about the scores on the Regents exam at all. And passing was passing.
I don’t really know the thinking about why 50 or 75 years ago someone decided some students in NY State would take those exams, and I have no doubt some questions were flawed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Iowa Tests that I took as a kid were also flawed. But it seems like the big problem isn’t that all tests have flaws (as Mate points out even classroom tests do), but that these tests were misused.
Standardized tests today are given only to public school students to show that their schools are failures. That is political. I continue to believe that if any of the ed reformers were asked to start demanding that students in private schools take the exact same tests — not their own version but the exact same tests — the ed reformers would stop promoting them and they would lose their validity.
I add to this discussion that issues around testing are not philosophical for me. Math is one of the most stressful subjects for students, and it certainly is the most stressful one for many. During my 35 years of teaching in college, I have found it extremely frustrating to meet students during office hours, verifying that the students completely understand the material, then seeing them getting a C on the test because of nervousness, slow thinking, etc. This is unacceptable. I have personally witnessed thousands of students who could not see the fruits of their hard labor due to the testing systems and how tests are evaluated. My claim to them that they learned the material well has been close to meaningless for them since they have grown up in a system where test scores mean everything in education.
The phrase, “Test on Friday” is one of the most powerful tools in the teacher’s toolbox. Kids respond to tests in a mostly positive way, especially when expectations are clear and the test is fair. They will experience a countless variety of tests across the 3 to 20 landscape – and beyond, including professional and vocational certification exams.
Here’s the money quote on this thread:
“But teachers’ evaluations based on their personal judgement are no more perfect than tests. The issues are different, but I could cite many reasons why a teacher’s personal evaluation of a student based only on what they believe the student has demonstrated in the class without testing can also be flawed.”
RageAgainstTheTestocracy Incredibly . . . in your note, you have left no reality-room to move between ABSOLUTELY PERFECT and TOTALLY FLAWED. Are you just finding out that teachers can make mistakes? Here’s the beginning of your note:
“Here’s the money quote on this thread: ‘But teachers’ evaluations based on their personal judgement are no more perfect than tests. . . . ‘”
I’m aghast at your regard for that quotation. Of course flaws happen. However, the difference between a professional teacher and a babysitter or test monitor is that the personal judgment of the teacher flows from training, care, and the wisdom that comes from a mastery of the material coupled with the experience of teaching that material in the context of keeping a wise-eye on the differences that students exhibit in their classrooms. It’s a profession? And a professional teacher loves and has been trained to teach, and builds and learns from their experience. Your note seems to assume that professionalism in teaching doesn’t matter.
The tester-reformers would make mere test monitors out of professional teachers. It’s amazing to me how little many think of teachers; and quotes like that just pile the xxxt higher on the profession that used to be honored. CBK
“Kids respond to tests in a mostly positive way,”
On planet Earth? No way.
CBK,
that was my quote and it was not being used to defend standardized testing.
That quote was about a world of schooling in which every single type of test was abolished and the student’s evaluation was based entirely on whatever non-testing the teacher decided was appropriate.
I might be misunderstanding RATT, but I think we both agree that the standardized tests as a means for evaluating teachers, or as a means of evaluating students, are terrible.
But that is different than being anti-testing period.
The problem is that what I consider “our side” is being portrayed as simply “anti-testing” period.
And I think by calling those opposed to the terrible state tests as simply “anti-testing” period – including classroom tests – it simply allows the pro-testing movement to easily distract from the important discussion that needs to be had about how meaningless the state tests are by turning the debate into one that favors the reformers.
NYC Okay, thanks. CBK
NYCPSP, the basic issue is the evaluation of the tests with scores because it allows ranking and its accuracy is questionable. To me, there is a clear choice between “60/100 points” and “you need to learn the concepts better, since you missed almost half of them, your grammar is good, it seems you make errors only accidentally and not because of lack of knowledge”. The first choice is unnecessary and has no educational value I can think of, not to mention its lack of accuracy. The verbal evaluation is accurate and is organic to the subject and the teacher-student relationship, hence easy to understand; it doesn’t try to pull in outside tools.
Agreed NYCP. Only one caveat: I’m ok with standardized tests that are age appropriate, objective, and transparent. NYS Regents exams and the grade 8 state science tests are examples, as well as AP and IB exams. Common Core (Next Gen) math and ELA fiascos included the trifecta of “bad”
Bad standards. Bad tests. Bad policy ( no transparency and mouse of scores to coerce threaten, and penalize schools and individual teachers.
“I’m ok with standardized tests that are age appropriate, objective, and transparent. NYS Regents exams and the grade 8 state science tests are examples, as well as AP and IB exams. ”
And students can’t wait to take them. That’s all they talk about all year long.
Mate
Actually, yes. The fore mentioned EOC exams are an extremely strong point of focus.
Mate,
I agree with many of your points and you are right that simply telling a student a score is useless.
I also think that there was a time when standardized testing was not used for political reasons and while that did not mean that they had problems, it did mean that they had some use – albeit minimal – just like many other educational tools served some use. But in my view, the fact that these tests have become political has meant that they no longer serve any use at all because they are designed not to be useful but to serve a political purpose.
I’ve said this many times, but if the most privileged private schools that Bill Gates and other reformers sent their kids to were forced to have their students take the same exams and have their results published for all to see, we would not have the same problems.