John Ewing, president of Math for America, skewers the concept of “learning loss” in this article in Forbes.
I have been a fan of Dr. Ewing ever since I read his article “Mathematical Intimidation: Driven by the Data,” in which he eviscerated the idiotic idea of rating students by the test scores of their students. If you have not read it, you should.
In his latest essay, he shows how various interest groups, politicians, and pundits have used the idea of “learning loss” to promote reopening of schools, regardless of local conditions. The same concept is now used to promote the useless requirement of standardized testing in the midst of the pandemic.
You might say that he is the anti-Emily Oster; Oster is the Brown University economist who has written extensively about why schools should reopen and how young children are unlikely to catch or carry the coronavirus.
Ewing disagrees.
He writes:
With a mix of exasperation and despair, many writers (and quite a few politicians) have demanded that schools open for in person instruction during the pandemic. They are exasperated because they believe schools were closed unnecessarily, since children don’t get sick and schools don’t contribute to Covid’s spread. They despair because remote learning has led to disastrous “learning loss” for an entire generation of students.
But they are wrong about the science— schools do contribute to community spread—and they are wrong about the disaster as well. While remote learning surely affects students, we don’t know yet exactly how or how much. Learning loss isn’t a meaningful answer.
Early in the pandemic, people observed that children didn’t get sick as readily as adults. Children were tested much less often than adults. Asymptomatic spread was unknown or uncertain. Studies focused on sickness in schools rather than transmission, and they suggested that keeping schools open had few costs.
But this is wrong. A recent article in the German magazine Spiegel International details an Austrian study that shows schoolchildren are infected at the same rates as adults and quite efficiently spread Covid-19 to others. There are now many other studies that draw similar conclusions. A review of studies from a group of scientists and doctors in Sweden (disclosure: my brother is among them) links to 25 studies from around the world and provides summaries of each. The science is clear: Children become infected and spread covid-19 to their parents, grandparents, siblings, and next-door neighbors. Those infected get sick. Some have long-term complications. Some die. Opening schools costs lives. If you believe in science, you have to accept even uncomfortable truths.
Should we open them anyway? What about that disastrous learning loss? As the pandemic plays out, learning loss has become the focus of education policy. Research firms (McKinsey is the best known) publish reports that cite, with great precision, the number of months of learning loss; politicians and pundits hysterically lament a coming lost generation; parents and the public angrily demand a return to in person learning. Learning loss drives all this; it’s become the central educational feature of the pandemic.
But what’s it mean—”five months of learning loss”? What exactly is lost? Do students forget facts? Skills? Are memories erased? Can they find what’s lost? And what does “five months” mean? Yes, I know, it’s calculated from a mathematical formula, but formulas are only as good as the data and assumptions that go into them. Mathematics is not magic. What are the assumptions? What’s the data? Where does it come from? When people discuss learning loss, they generally don’t know the answers to any of these questions. And if the notion is so vague, how can it be so easily and precisely measured?
Of course, the term “learning loss” comes from the language of test enthusiasts. For them, learning is a substance that’s poured into students over time. One measures the accumulated substance by the number of correct answers on a test (standardized, usually multiple-choice). By administering two comparable tests at different moments in time, one measures success or failure for learning. An increase in correct responses is gain; a decrease is loss.
Learning loss is usually illustrated by the summer break. We are told that students experience about three months of loss each summer. Again, what’s this mean? If a student does more poorly on a test in September than in May, is learning really lost? Seems doubtful, or at least incomplete. Mathematicians know that stepping away from a topic for a while requires time to recollect the bits and pieces when you return. Those bits and pieces aren’t lost—they only require reassembling, and often the reassembling leads to greater understanding. Similar things occur in every subject, and in other areas of life as well, like riding a bike or playing the piano.
Learning is complicated. Plutarch famously wrote that minds are not vessels to be filled but fires to be kindled. Fires don’t leak. You don’t measure them in months. Learning loss is a calculation masquerading as a concept—a rather shallow, naïve, ridiculous concept.
Of course, those who talk about learning loss might mean the absence of (new) learning. Fair enough. In the spring, remote teaching and learning were novel to both teachers and students. They struggled because remote instruction was an unfamiliar skill. Mastering skills takes practice and requires dedication. In the spring, everyone planned in two-week intervals, hoping the pandemic would soon be over, and dedication was in short supply. But remote instruction improved this fall, and while it’s very far from ideal, remote teaching and remote learning are much, much better … and getting better still. Kids are resilient. We don’t yet know how resilient they will be in the pandemic.
There remains an enormous problem of equity. Students who live in poverty are at a severe disadvantage in remote instruction. No internet, no computer, sometimes little parental support. But while the pandemic exacerbates this problem, it’s not the cause. We need to solve the equity problem permanently, not just in the pandemic. We had an opportunity to do so in the spring by providing free internet access and computing devices to every student in need. It would have been roundoff error in the stimulus package. It would have entailed massive logistical issues, but that’s what responsive governments do in times of crisis. Our politicians chose not to do so.
Should schools open for in person learning? Maybe. But not because of some ridiculous idea of learning loss. If schools choose to return to in person instruction, it’s because, like bars and restaurants, they serve a vital social and economic function. For younger children especially, the socialization afforded by schools is crucial for a child’s development. For parents, the childcare provided by schools allows them to work (or just to take a soul-saving break). The societal cost of eliminating these functions has been substantial.
We have to balance that cost against the sickness and death that will be caused by the opening of schools. Balancing livelihoods against lives can be agonizingly complicated. It requires clear, precise thinking. Above all, it requires putting the right things on each side of the scale … and learning loss isn’t one of them.
The “learning loss” concept is part and parcel of the “factory model of education of roughly a century ago. When the factory is shut down, it cannot make up for lost production without extraordinary means. This misconception of a social process is derived, I believe, from the attitude that education is something done to students, instead of with students.
I am not surprised that conservatives hold century old and debunked ideas to their bosoms, it seems to be somewhat of a flaw in their characters. That anyone else would buy such nonsense ids beyond the pale, as is pointed out above.
AMEN, Steve.
I love John Ewing. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Those high stakes testers who cry “Learning Loss” are indeed those SAME testing pundits who make $$$$$ from those horrid tests.
Student writing samples over time would yield more information about student learning than those high stakes tests do.
“Learning loss” is what happens when people like ponderosa and E.D. Hirsch get their way and “learning” becomes all about memorizing facts without the opportunity to explore and understand the context and the meaning of those facts and the relevance to one’s own life and the world we live in. If something is truly learned, it can’t be lost (absent brain damage, severe trauma or the like anyway). But memorization is not learning, it’s just developing techniques to keep something in memory as long as it is needed
Ask an actor to recite all the lines from a play they were in years ago and they probably can’t (movie actors, in fact, tend to memorize their lines only long enough to film a particular scene), but they will definitely remember all the nuances and feelings and complications of being that character, which is what the play is all about – you could program a computer to recite the lines.
Proponents of teaching subject area content knowledge are tired of this straw man argument regarding rote memorization. Get a clue.
Massachusetts state education officials are stating that they want their end of course tests to go on this spring…citing (surprise, surprise) that we’ve got to learn how much learning was lost.
They’ve got their talking points.
Learning loss is real. My students are learning only half of what they normally learn about world history. The Zoom format seems to reduce students’ threshold for academics and I’ve reduced the quantity of material accordingly. Ewing makes no sense to me.
Learning is far more complicated than input, in and output, out. Learning is complex, and people are not machines. Over the years I have watched foreign students that were very “behind” in learning make up for lost time and overcome the odds against them. Perhaps maturity and motivation play a part. I have observed 4th graders with a 1st grade education make amazing progress so that, by the time they graduate from high school, they are ready for college. Learning is not a lockstep, machine-like process.
I enjoyed the insightful “Mathematical Intimidation: Driven by the Data.” All administrators and politicians on education committees should have to read it so they stop using data as a “slave driver.” Our students are not widgets, and neither are teachers. Students deserve a comprehensive education including social sciences, science, humanities and the arts. We are selling them short by plunking them down in front of a computer with multiple choice reading and math questions as their steady learning diet. The results from such programs are mental starvation.
. “They are exasperated because they believe schools were closed unnecessarily, since children don’t get sick and schools don’t contribute to Covid’s spread.”
They also believe global warning is a hoax, because it’s snowing.
It seems only fair to ask, “What are they thinking?” as area schools get ready to re-open. Having taught in three school districts, I wouldn’t want to be in any school right now. I’ll never forget my first week of teaching, when I ended up on Friday with strep, and nearly collapsed driving home. I learned lots of teachers get sick from all the “bugs” kids bring to school early in the year. This year that bug could be deadly. Coronavirus is picked up readily by kids and easily passed to adults—who tend to get sicker than the kids. Why some officials want to risk the lives of kids, teachers, and other school employees—and their families when they take it home–just to adhere to an artificial schedule, is beyond me.
from my column: “School Startup–What’s the Hurry?”
People need to stop believing in junk science and junk theories. Outcomes based on mathematical data can be easily skewed and there is a whole cottage industry ($$$$) propping it up. People generally want to hear what makes their life “more palatable” instead of listening to the truth and facts that may make their life more of an “uncomfortable truth”.
The best way to overcome “learning loss”: have an interest in the world around you and start figuring things out. I just did a Google search on influential people who had no formal education. Won’t bore you with the links, but some interesting things came up. If you’re worried about “learning loss,” give a kid some books and ask them to seek out ones of their own.
I frequently find myself yelling at the TV or car radio whenever reporters ask the Question:”What about learning loss?” Having worked in two IB schools I developed a real appreciation of the fact that many in public education simply do not understand how, what, and why children learn. Simply pouring curricula into the tabula rasa has never worked yet we continue to try it. I love the Plutarch quote…says it all.
You are wrong. The mind is a tabula rasa for adults to write upon.
Some years ago I used to help my Uncle Ed fill the silo. The routine was repeated all day for two or three days, then it was over, and the first cool breeze of autumn was generally there to remind you that this was the reason you were putting food by for the cows to eat when winter came. An entire year would pass until this ritual was repeated. For some reason, we knew how to do it again. No “learning loss.” Instead, we would have this feeling that we were back in a familiar place: the hum of the tractor, the roar of the sliage chopper, the rush of wind around you as the tractor went into road gear.
If there is evidence of “learning loss” that shows up on tests in the fall or at any other time, perhaps this just shows what any old farmer would know, that you only remember when you have the things you did before re-awakened by repeating the activity.
Further corroboration of the wealthy’s fear -the ruling class deposed.
The self-appointed, billionaire-funded education experts upped the ante from the talking point, “loss of learning”. One of its spokespersons, Macke Raymond, publicly claimed, “Kids are going feral”.
I presume the pronouncement is an extension of the propaganda (disguised as research) that touts religious schools as ideal trainers for student self-discipline.
The kids were “going feral” before Covid. Common Bore (and the evil tests) drove the kids into a frenzied madness especially at the MS age. Ask me how I know…….my local MS (that my children attended) was like a psych ward in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. Teens will do anything to escape boredom and nonsensical dreck disguised as en education.
Apologies to SDP, Bob, Fred and others who do this so well.
Feral kids running wild
Scream the hucksters
Who should be reviled
Well done.
Perhaps it is time to think about how important traditional schools are to student’s learning. If we can get by with online classes for a year without any significant impact on students, we night want to shorten the time that students are legally required to attend school or have high school only last three years instead of four.
In this thoughtful exposing of the concept of learning loss by John Ewing, he left unexposed a dangerous assumption that vaccination means that a vaccinated person will not transport COVID to others.
Science cannot yet assert that vaccination means the vaccinated will not spread COVID.
“Anti-Emily, there’s no place like home.”
Make no mistake. The concept of learning loss is being promoted by economists and the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
Economists Eric A. Hanushek and Ludger Woessmann are at it again, and with ample references to Chetty and the Heckman curve (promoted to impact investors).
From the Forward to “The Economic Impacts of Learning Losses.”
“While the precise learning losses are not yet known, existing research suggests that the students in grades 1-12 affected by the closures might expect some 3 percent lower income over their entire lifetimes. For nations, the lower long-term growth related to such losses might yield an average of 1.5 percent lower annual GDP for the remainder of the century. These economic losses would grow if schools are unable to re-start quickly.”
Should we be rethinking the credentialing requirements for teachers as well? If there is no loss for students from being taught by untrained teachers, why make the teachers jump through irrelevant hoops? As GregB put it, if your worried about “untrained teachers” give a kid some books and ask them to seek out ones of their own.
Since my name was taken in vain here, nowhere have I ever written “untrained teachers.” Nowhere. Trained, educated teachers–I will admit I would focus more on subject matter than process–are essential. My comment was not meant that giving kids books would replace them. In extraordinary times, I believe the simplest measures are essential. Some of the best educational experiences I had were reading a lot in the summers and on extended vacations and then having good teachers who helped me connect them to other issues. What we should be rethinking, in my view, is the concept of giving teachers autonomy, treating and paying them like the professionals they are, and given the latitude to experiment with their best ideas without the fear of being judged by each failure or less-than-perfect outcome. To paraphrase my friend, free the teachers AND the children.
…my friend, Duane…
GregB,
I certainly agree that you did not talk about untrained teachers. I took your post to be about formal education write large. When you said ” I just did a Google search on influential people who had no formal education. Won’t bore you with the links, but some interesting things came up. If you’re worried about “learning loss,” give a kid some books and ask them to seek out ones of their own.” I took it me mean that formal education was not really all that important.
Just as I did in the fall, I will be in my classroom in the spring. I understand that many here do not think education is important enough to risk there lives. I am not among you.
Raj Chetty experienced learning loss as a child and that’s why he’s so stupid.
Hanushek’s interests appear to be selective. Does he care about the “economic losses” to Main Street when corporate reformers dictate education schemes?
Hoover’s Hanushek spews out “learning loss” blather and his wife, Macke Raymond’s talking point is “kids going feral”. One might surmise the motivation is service to the ruling class say, for example, Walton heirs.
teaching economist:
“Just as I did in the fall, I will be in my classroom in the spring. I understand that many here do not think education is important enough to risk there (sic) lives. I am not among you.”
teaching economist, perhaps those who “do not think education is important enough to risk there (sic) lives” are those who do not want to risk the lives of their loved ones–teachers who live with families, husbands/wives, children of their own, elderly parents. Or–& consider this, please–teachers who do not want their children to be orphaned, or teachers who don’t want their immune-comprised students risking their lives (& a # of special education students have health issues). Or teachers who don’t want the class para-pros risking their lives.
Perhaps teaching in college is less risky (since we have seen so many young people engaged in risky behavior, perhaps not–so I guess you are willing to risk your life &, therefore, are very courageous). I know, though, that I have a niece I dearly love who, unfortunately, lives in guv. Dim Reynolds’ state (where schools stayed closed, then opened, then closed, again, then reopened–for one week, before winter break–then closed for a 2-week winter break &, according to Dim, will probably open again. The niece teaches 1st Grade, & she has a sped. student in her class who takes his mask on/off, on/off (just like the schools opening & closing!). Further, he has been deemed incapable of wiping his own nose, so the one of the parapro’s jobs is…wiping his nose! How safe for her & her family! While she deals w/that, my niece is dealing w/the # of other children in her class taking their masks on/off or wearing below their noses, or falling to their chins…whatever. Meanwhile, her preteen son (in the same school district) does remote learning. Another (adult) who lives in the home has several health issues.
In the meantime, in the area in which I live, there are people who have had family gatherings or left town &, yes, their children will be back in class. & so on & so forth in the rest of the country (did you see the packed airports on the nightly news?)
And then there’s that new strain of covid…
Gee, t.e., I think the teachers should all be in school, in person. & risk everyone’s lives.
& I dare Raj Chetty & Emily Oster to become elementary/middle school teachers. Pandemic or no, they wouldn’t touch the job (nor could either of them successfully do it) with a ten foot pole (exceeding the social distancing guidelines).
Retired,
My post was not about the risks to faculty and staff from teaching in the classroom, but rather the gains to students from being in the classroom with a certified teacher. The post here and comments here suggest that the gains from being in the classroom with a certified teacher for a year are very minimal. This is independent of the risks from being in the classroom for students, faculty, and staff.
After the pandemic is over, the gains from being in the classroom will still, in the view of those that post here, be minimal. Augment online learning with a few books and all will be the same as in person instruction by certified teachers.