Jeffrey Toobin wrote a scathing analysis of a recent speech by Attorney General Bill Barr in The New Yorker magazine. Like Betsy DeVos, his colleague in Trump’s Cabinet, Barr believes that religious schools should be supported with public funds and that the failure to do so is religious discrimination.
He writes:
William P. Barr just gave the worst speech by an Attorney General of the United States in modern history. Speaking at the University of Notre Dame last Friday, Barr took “religious liberty” as his subject, and he portrayed his fellow-believers as a beleaguered and oppressed minority. He was addressing, he said, “the force, fervor, and comprehensiveness of the assault on religion we are experiencing today. This is not decay; this is organized destruction.”
Historically illiterate, morally obtuse, and willfully misleading, the speech portrays religious people in the United States as beset by a hostile band of “secularists.” Actually, religion is thriving here (as it should be in a free society), but Barr claims the mantle of victimhood in order to press for a right-wing political agenda. In a potted history of the founding of the Republic, Barr said, “In the Framers’ view, free government was only suitable and sustainable for a religious people—a people who recognized that there was a transcendent moral order.” Not so. The Framers believed that free government was suitable for believers and nonbelievers alike. As Justice Hugo Black put it in 1961, “Neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. Neither can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against nonbelievers, and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.” But the real harm of Barr’s speech is not what it means for historical debates but what it portends for contemporary government policy.
The real giveaway of Barr’s agenda came near the end of his speech when he said, with curious vagueness, “Militant secularists today do not have a live-and-let-live spirit—they are not content to leave religious people alone to practice their faith. Instead, they seem to take a delight in compelling people to violate their conscience.” What’s he really talking about here? Barr and the Trump Administration want religious people who operate businesses to be allowed to discriminate against L.G.B.T.Q. people. The Trump Justice Department supported the Colorado bakers who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple (in a case that the Supreme Courtbasically ducked last year), but more such lawsuits are in the pipeline. Innkeepers, restaurant owners, and photographers are all using the free-exercise clause of the First Amendment to justify their refusal to serve gay customers. This is Barr’s idea of leaving “religious people alone to practice their faith.” The real beleaguered minorities here are gay people who are simply trying to be treated like everyone else, but Barr twists this story into one about oppression of believers.
The heart of Barr’s speech is devoted to a supposed war on religion in education. “Ground zero for these attacks on religion are the schools. To me, this is the most serious challenge to religious liberty,” he said. He asserted that the problem is “state policies designed to starve religious schools of generally available funds and encouraging students to choose secular options.” Again, Barr engages in a measure of vagueness to obscure his real subject. Historically, parochial schools have flourished largely outside of government supervision and, just as important, without government funding. This reflects the core meaning of the establishment clause, which enshrines the separation of church and state.
But, in recent years, a key tenet of the evangelical movement (and its supporters, like Barr) is an effort to get access to taxpayer dollars. In a major case before the Supreme Court this year, the Trump Administration is supporting religious parents who want to use a Montana state-tax-credit program to pay for their children’s religious schools. This effort is also a major priority of Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, who is pushing for the increased availability of taxpayer vouchers to pay for religious schools. Barr portrays these efforts as the free exercise of religion when, in fact, they are the establishment of religion; partisanship in the war between the religion clauses is one of the signatures of Trump’s tenure in office. Of course, the necessary corollary to providing government subsidies to religious schools is starving the public schools, which are open to all children, of funds.
Perhaps the most galling part of Barr’s speech, under current circumstances, is its hymn to the pious life. He denounces “moral chaos” and “irresponsible personal conduct” as well as “licentiousness—the unbridled pursuit of personal appetites at the expense of the common good.” By contrast, “religion helps teach, train, and habituate people to want what is good.” Throughout this lecture, one can only wonder if William Barr has ever actually met Donald Trump.

Barr is a very sick person.
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The timing of Barr’s speech is also interesting–just after Pat Robertson (long-time right-wing TV minister) deemed, in unwavering terms, Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds as going against God’s plan. CBK
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Nobody has less patriotism and Christianity than the Trump, Murdoch and Devos families.
Fox sells Barr’s religious victimhood.
There’s a grave omission in the post. The most significant William Barr agenda, solely because it affects more people than gay rights, is elimination of birth control.
School privatizer, Sean Fieler, funded the Femm App (ovulation charting- a method which has a 25% failure rate in the first year- Mayo Clinic). It is the preferred choice of Obria clinics (received $2.5 mil. from US Catholic bishops). Obria is rebranding to replace Planned Parenthood and is in line for tax funding. Condoms are not offered by Obria. (Rewire.News)
It’s not a coincidence that Koch-linked Manhattan Institute praises Catholic schools, that Fordham champions Catholic schools, that Gates-funded Bellwether advises ed reformers to reach out to churches to achieve their agenda in the South, that Gates gave the Cristo Rey Catholic charter school chain, $12 mil..
Theocracy Watch has the training manual of Catholic, Paul Weyrich, founder of the religious right, ALEC and the social Darwinist Koch Heritage Foundation. Barr and Leonard Leo (Federalist Society) are Catholic.
After the Great Irish hunger, Catholicism grew in Ireland. ($1 mil died of starvation while the Catholic Church did nothing politically to help and discouraged uprising.)
The economic deprivation created by concentrated wealth libertarians drives people to the evangelical and Catholic Churches.
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It’s also not a coincidence that Ukrainian oligarch Firtash (mentioned in hearings about the Trump administration) and supporter of Russia funded the Ukrainian Catholic University. Not a coincidence that Steve Bannon (Catholic) wants a location in Vatican City to get right wing politicians elected in Europe
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Linda: Is it my imagination, or do you have an obsessive concern with all-things-Catholic?
Besides overlooking that EVERYONE has a religious foundation and stance, even atheists, it seems to me that overkill of ANY religious group or personal stance puts the stink of “unreasonable and reactionary,” in this case, particularly about Catholicism, on what otherwise might be arguments well-worth listening to.
That is not to deny that, like ANY religious group, there are totalitarian factions adrift in the pews and at the podiums (its germane to tribal aspects of religion as such); and the Catholics are no different.
It’s THOSE FACTIONS, and not the Catholics as such that are the problem. I like to read most of your posts, so can you clean up your act in that regard? CBK
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Happy to clear it up.
Show me mainstream media that has over the past few years disparaged Catholicism as it has evangelicals like Jerry Falwell. I grant evangelicals say outlandish things that operate as a hook for news coverage.
Media has self-limited its criticism to priest pedophilia and cover-up, ignoring the real damage to democracy from prosperity Catholics. Last week, the AFT collaborated with TPM on an article. Readers were left without information about Sean Fieler, Frank Hanna, Rex Sinquefield. and the major religious group receiving almost all state voucher money without public transparency about how it is spent. The situation was reminiscent of the Media Matters article that omitted, the Waltons and Bill Gates.
Do you disagree that if Leonard Leo, Paul Weyrich and Willam Barr were evangelical, media readers and listeners would know?
How many people erroneously assume that the religious right was founded by evangelicals instead of a Catholic linked to the Koch’s?
Because evangelicals are easily parodied, the level of their influence is magnified by media, while Catholic influence never gets a mention.
The real power, smart enough to deliver and not to say the ridiculous (noted exception Princeton’s Robert George) e.g. the Federalist Society, governs us and our courts (Gorsuch).
On the national level, LDS is statistically insignificant which is the reason I don’t write about them nor the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc. faiths.
I loathe the effective political influence driven by religion because it denies me my rights and denies my nation the Constitutional separation of church and state. Diane posted about the legal team of evangelicals available to parse language for religious case wins- Liberty. Rhetorically, where was the info about Napa Institute’s legal group which performs the same service?
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Linda Thank you for your response. However, I still see “broad-brushing” in your response; the justification seems to be that we do it to evangelicals so we should do it to Catholics also whose reactionary, dogmatic, and volatile right-wing seems to be getting a pass.
BTW, the Catholic schools I’ve known about over the decades hold high standards in all subjects and follow the State guidelines and requirements for their curriculum. The difference is that they ALSO have catechism; and with parents’ approval, the children observe and attend-to religious symbols during school hours (the one’s I have observed).
Also, and with Montessori and some other private schooling, a “good Catholic education” was truly fine and was around long before the right-wingers, neo-conservatives, libertarian and kleptocratic capitalist entrepreneurs got hold of it. CBK
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When U.S. Catholic bishops give $2.5 mil. to organizations fighting for American democracy instead of to Obria clinics…
Yes, Catherine, you understand my pov. Fifty per cent of the nation is Catholic and evangelical combined. They have a political alliance that elects Republicans. Exposing only 1/2 of the threat is dishonest and especially dangerous in this climate of authoritarianism.
It’s gravely wrong and takes the nation backwards for taxpayers to foot the bill for the schools that send students to D.C. wearing MAGA hats to parade against abortions, schools that deny employment to unmarried pregnant women, schools that use gender identity to deny jobs, and schools that model patriarchy.
The conservative alliance, over the past few decades, has erased from curriculum, topics like worker protection legislation/advocacy and democracy. Teachers (in Catholic schools many fewer are unionized) are in a fight for the nation’s Constitution, fair compensation for workers, etc. There are wealthy Catholic men and organizations that plot to destroy the common good and women’s rights.
The fact that by some measurement system, Catholic schools are judged “good” distracts from the larger paramount picture. BTW- Figlio’s study found no advantage from vouchers in Ohio. Journalists found an advantage to vouchers in other states- funding for parishes.
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“They have a political alliance that elects Republicans. ”
They may have much more power than we ever thought.
An enigmatic conservative Christian group known as the Family wields enormous influence in Washington, D.C., in pursuit of its global ambitions.
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Mate and Linda And THAT’s a VERY BAD FACTION within the Catholic Church. Powerful or not, it’s not the entire Church. Please stop referring to factions as the entire Catholic Church. CBK
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Huh, the members of the Family are not Catholics. It’s Christian.
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Mate Don’t get what you mean, but that’s okay. CBK
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Linda Sigh . . . . CBK
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Catherine,
You dismiss as a minority “faction”, the US Bishops Council, an all male church leadership group who uses the church coffers to influence political decisions.
If there’s an extremist faction within the church, the Church likely thinks it is the women who believe in birth control.
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Linda,
The Catholic Church does indeed have an all-male hierarchy, but there are many Catholics who don’t agree with the views of the hierarchy. Some are lapsed Catholics, some are practicing Catholics. It would be best if you stopped lambasting an entire religion. Don’t lambaste all Catholics, or all Muslims, or all Jews.
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… painting a picture where the powerful drivers in a national organization are cast as peripheral?
An analogy-
Free speech at a blog occurred in an evangelical-governed nation. Valid comments were made about political gains emanating from self–identified evangelical groups that adversely affected the nation. Separate from those groups, “good” evangelical people (who had no power nor organizational resources) took offense at the comments. They found comfort in the idea that they as individuals were the true representatives of evangelicals, possibly rationalizing that they, in their small spheres, did good work for God. (Can substitute any Muslim or other religious group e.g. Taliban.)
It’s profoundly sad to witness a defense (circling wagons), instead of identification of what effective change has been made by “good” representatives in redirecting the organization at the regional or national level – a listing with something simple like a petition that resulted in a local religious leader refusing to approve $2.5 mil. for a rhythm clinic without millions for UnKoch activities, a petition asking a religious leader to stand in a work action picket line, etc.
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Linda Take it to the church. Here, you should change your language, if you don’t change your views of the Church. Here, you are broad-brushing ALL Catholics by what I (and many others) agree is corrupt, even cancerous, about it. CBK
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Catherine-
Your allegation lacks substantiation and validity.
I have an obligation to religious leaders and others who advance social justice in behalf of the vulnerable, clergy like Rev. Barber, the Pastors of Texas Children and Pope Francis to uncover and make known threats to their agenda. Lloyd Lofthouse, in another thread, reported about the Koch network attacks against Pope Francis.
You continue to assert that the the anti-labor, anti-women’s rights groups are “factions”, in an attempt to portray them as diminished in effect. Provide support for the argument. Your best tack for the pro-labor part is Pope Francis except he is under grave attack from formidable Americans within the church.
Cite an article that informs about the influencing groups within the Catholic Church who have had success making the case for pharmaceutical birth control.
Diane can choose to delete my reporting that Seton Network was co-founded by a KIPP “pioneer” and a 35 year old former TFA’er and, that Cristo Rey received $12 mil. from Bill Gates’ foundation.
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First, I argued that they are de facto factions because they don’t define the entire body of the Church, including me, and to offset your Catholic bashing here on this site, which I find extremely offensive. (And BTW it diminishes your own arguments.)
Second, you reveal a dangerous selective ignorance in saying that I am attempting to portray the “anti-” groups in the Church “as diminished in effect.” I stated in earlier note that I am opposed to those factions. And lack of critical thought: Even if I were trying to so-portray, how would you know my motivations?
On those grounds, I’ll not read any more of your posts to me. It’s a waste of time because it points to endless Trump-like logical fallacies and needless controversy, rather than reasonable discourse. CBK
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Linda BTW, as there are factions in religious institutions, so religious institutions are commonly factions that operate in a constitutional democracy. For how factions are given treatment in a democracy, see the Federalist Papers, particularly 8 and 10–but they are all quite informative for any citizen in a democracy to read. CBK
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You are correct that I speculated and attributed to you a reason for what I perceive to be the unusual labeling – the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops as a faction of the Catholic Church.
Faction defined, “a group of people in an organization working in a common cause against the main body”.
Without assignment of motivation or specification of one religion, I will speculate that a collective of leaders who have authority to make liturgical and administrative decisions and to authorize funding, who are in a chain of command that is not by mandate, a democratic process, likely view themselves as the main body.
Please note that my communication style is democratic and review yours, for the same.
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Linda The Church is (late as usual) going through severe change–in its own language, we are dealing with our own evil–it ain’t pretty. And its extreme (and even backward, in my view) forces deserve the open criticism it is receiving from “outsiders.”
That said, and without drawing away from the totalitarian thrusts and the consolidation of power of interior groups within it (groups which I loathe), the other “wing” of the problem is their and other groups’ acceptance in the Halls of Congress and in the States. Without that acceptance and loss of federal oversight, extreme groups cannot gain the power they obviously want, and that will destroy the U.S. as we know it.
Again, the Federalist Papers show how the very structure of the tri-part government (and other institutions) is built to “wash out” extreme factions (that would destroy the “baby” if left alone) and allow truth to emerge.
Religious and other kinds of factions will ALWAYS be with us (Jefferson knew this well–he read history in its original languages). But if their tempering does not come from within, then it must come from the qualified operations of the Democratic Constitutional Government. If we don’t get that tempering there, we won’t get it. CBK
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Catherine
Thank you for your comment’s insight.
Stephen F. Schreck’s view about fundamental change in the religious group with which he is familiar (the one with the most influence in terms of numbers and political connection), merits a read if there are those not already familiar with his writing.
He was on the board of the Catholic Alliance for the Common Good and he was a former director of the Institute on Policy Research and… at the Catholic University of America. He describes a situation unlike what has preceded it.
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Linda The change that’s going on is massive and has its roots in very old and too-varied philosophical meaning. We’re working on it. CBK
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No one hopes more than I do for the success of institutions fighting for democracy, reduction in income inequality and for dignity for workers and the vulnerable in society.
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Barr’s speech sounds like a warmup for the Supreme Court case brought forward by the Koch-funded Cause of Action Institute. The Cause of Action Institute is notorious for filing lawsuits against regulations that inhibit “free market” activities–which now extends to tearing down all walls of separation between church and state. This case supported by Koch-supported ventures, including the following amici curiae brief on behalf of Americans for Prosperity and Yes. Every Kid to secure tax-supported vouchers for religious education.
“The Montana Constitution includes a “Blaine Amendment” that prohibits state “appropriation or payment” to sectarian schools. The Montana Supreme Court’s recent ruling, striking down a facially neutral school-choice program, demonstrates that Blaine Amendments are fundamentally incompatible with the First and Fourteenth Amendments.”
“Although the Montana school-choice program did not directly fund sectarian schools, and thus might have escaped constitutional review, the Montana Supreme Court construed its amendment to require excision of any possibility that religion may receive a public benefit.”
In this lawsuit, the question before the US Supreme Court is:
“Does it violate the Religion Clauses or Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution to invalidate a generally available and religiously neutral student-aid program simply because the program affords students the choice of attending religious schools?”
In addition to Americans for Prosperity and Yes. Every kid., this case is supported by:
Agudath Israel of America; Alliance for Choice in Education; American Center for Law and Justice ; Arizona Christian School Tuition Organization et al.; Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, et al.; Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence; Center for Education Reform, et al.; Christian Legal Society, et al.; EdChoice, et al.; Forge Youth Mentoring; Foundation for Moral Law; Georgia Goal Scholarship Program, Inc.; Independence Institute; Jerry and Kathy Armstrong, et al.; Jewish Coalition for Religious Liberty; Justice and Freedom Fund et al.; Liberty Justice Center and American Federation for Children, et al.; Mackinac Center for Public Policy; Montana Catholic School Parents, et al.; Montana Family Foundation; Opportunity Scholarship Fund; Pioneer Institute, Inc.; Rusty Bowers, Speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives, et al.; Senators Steve Daines, et al.; States of Oklahoma, et al.; The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty ; The Cato Institute; The Honorable Scott Walker; and The Rutherford Institute.
Two other briefs amicus curiae should be noted. One was filed by 131 Current and Former State Legislators (The names of these supporters are listed on the last page of the document. They represent 28 different states. The states with the most supporters are Colorado (17), South Dakota (10), South Carolina (9), New Mexico (7), Kansas (6), followed by Arkansas, Pennsylvania, and Texas (5 each state).
Last but not least is the brief amicus curiae of the United States, filed by lawyers in the US Department of Justice on behalf of public funding of religious education.
This is to say that Attorney General William Barr and Trump’s Department of Justice clearly favor the use of public funds for religious education. I think that Barr’s speech at Notre Dame was timed to alert Trump/Devos religious loyalists that he, Trump, and Devos fully support repeal of the Blaine amendments, tax supported vouchers for religious education and other aspects of the case at the Supreme Court. https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-1195/116295/20190918175731796_18-1195tsacUnitedStates.pdf filed.
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I think that Barr’s speech at Notre Dame was timed to alert Trump/Devos religious loyalists that he, Trump, and DeVos fully support repeal of the Blaine amendments, tax supported vouchers for religious education and other aspects of the case at the Supreme Court.
Exactly. Why do right-wing extremists support a man as obviously vile and ignorant as Trump is? Because he affords them the opportunity to circumvent the people and carry out their totalitarian and rapacious agendas.
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Trump’s very incompetence and amorality is useful to them, very, very useful.
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cx: are useful, ofc
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Thanks for listing of the organizations. In a better world, the organizations would be mandated to list funders.
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Jesus, we have a zealot in the AG’s office.
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Ponderosa Do you think Barr is really a religious zealot, or just political hack with a law degree? CBK
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I think he’s a Bannon/Scalia/Alito clone: a dyspeptic Franco-esque Catholic extremist.
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Ponderosa-
Personal curiosity – Why do you think media has been so late to connect Barr, Bannon, Alito, Scalia, Leonard Leo, etc., to their shared Catholic dogma? In contrast, media eagerly cast Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham, Jay Sekulow etc. as evangelicals. The two religions have about equal shares of the population.
Is there an explanation for why public education’s advocates ignored the well-funded and well-connected scheme to divert public money for Catholic schools? Rhetorically, how complicit is the Catholic hierarchy in the prosperity Catholic’s plot?
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Linda Good grief. Listen to yourself. CBK
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Pope Francis doesn’t appear to characterize his opposition in America (prosperity Catholics) as a “good grief” kind of “faction” problem.
They deny his standing and teachings, give awards in his predecessor’s name, refuse to contribute to the Vatican’s expenses, promote books against him,… all about which, he has commented.
Catherine-
We’ll agree to disagree about the significance of 60% of white Catholics voting for Trump, the U.S. Bishops Council spending $2.5 mil. for Obria clinics, a Catholic charter school chain spreading to almost one-half the states (many receiving tax money), the rebellion of the politically effective, wealthy, prosperity Catholics who oppose labor rights and Leonard Leo’s Federalist Society court stacking.
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On the other hand, you could say that the US people elected Trump, but then it’s not clear at all if Americans should feel guilty about it, or that all Americans suck.
Btw, I am also baptized Catholic.
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Máté Wierdl: I am also baptized Catholic. So was I. I am part of the fallen away club.
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Neither the majority of black people nor the majority of latinx Catholics voted for Trump.
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Linda I have to say: you just don’t get it. It’s not even about Catholics per se–it’s about an uncritical way of arguing for or against something. CBK
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An argumentation tutorial about overstatement from a commenter summarizing with the words “cancerous” and “corrupt”?
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So, it doesn’t matter to people like Putin and Barr that Trump is a lowlife. He’s a useful idiot.
Here’s your scumbag president flipping off our female astronauts who just did the spacewalk because one of them had corrected him to say that they weren’t the first women to walk in space. Of course, the astronaut just did this in order, modestly, not to claim credit that wasn’t hers. But Trump’s reaction is entirely in keeping with the lowlife creep he is. His poor bruised baby ego couldn’t stand this correction, and because he has no editor, no filter, he responded.
Teachers will be familiar with the very kind of thing that Trump does in this video. Middle-school students do precisely the same thing. They think it smart that the gesture is plausibly deniable. That’s Trump all over. He’s narcissistic and childish. That we should even have to wonder whether flipping off our astronauts was, indeed, his intention is really telling, isn’t it?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4823553/trump-flips-women-astronauts&fbclid=IwAR2P0Sd32rEfYyYcROU-bULI6PfLm4sLVac1xiS2P6WU8sx9zTlSJODKhDw
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Bob Shepherd I didn’t catch Trump’s potential flipping-off of the astronauts. But the telling thing is that it wouldn’t surprise me AT ALL–as it’s in keeping with his potty-mouth, and with his shallow-aggressively destructive comportment about all things good and worthwhile. CBK
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See the video clip
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Thanks for the video.
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He [Barr] denounces “moral chaos” and “irresponsible personal conduct” as well as “licentiousness—the unbridled pursuit of personal appetites at the expense of the common good.”
It must be hard to be a Trump supporter and denounce “irresponsible personal conduct” and the “unbridled pursuit of personal appetites”. He just described Trump.
Is Barr’s mind that corrupted that he can’t see corruption when it is so brazenly put out daily? OR is he just a liar who enjoys the spotlight and the accompanying amount of money?
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carolmalaysia Barr is broad-brushing the entire Democratic Party with the paint of “depravity and immorality.” It’s intentional and a false polemic, rife with logical fallacies (at least): aka: lies.
Also, it’s an old Republican (and religious right) political tactic (trick) brought forward at the service of today’s really depraved and immoral.
The TACTIC: the not-so-subtle transformation of our freedoms that are built-in to our founding documents into what is the lowest form of expression of those freedoms (we have courts and jails for those low-life folks), but then then “painted” onto all-things-democratic, regardless that, . . guess what, republicans AND democrats and many other political factions fill our pews on Sundays and live an exemplary moral life.
The POLITICAL CONVENIENCE and what we must recognize for ourselves: The absence in Barr’s argument of the value of our freedoms, and the expressions of that value in those who, whether democratic or republican, are made of better stuff, like whistle-blowers, and generally the millions of honorable people who fill this land, who live their honor every day, and who don’t need a bullhorn to prove it. CBK
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Each patriarchal statement from Barr means fewer millennials and women will be Catholics. Each of his statements also means fewer Republican voters.
In March of this year, the entire board (11 women) resigned from the Vatican women’s magazine citing the reason that there was a campaign against them and a scheme to put them under the control of men. They said, “We can no longer remain silent”.
The question is how long the women of the American Catholic Church will allow the U.S. Catholic bishops to use their church contributions to undermine the equality of women and the foundation of American democracy.
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Linda The Catholics are late-comers (having been around centuries longer than “protestant” churches, and having led the pack in sinfulness on many fronts); but know there are “factions” working on it from within the Church–just like most other religious institutions, if not all. CBK
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I confirmed what you wrote through an article at National Catholic Reporter, 9-23-2019
“Women walking together away from the church…The religious right already denies the teaching authority of Pope Francis…The schism to worry about is the one where women leave the church.”
The people of the religious right are irrational zealots. Their hypocrisy is the tell that they will no more change than the Taliban will.
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Linda The schism within the Catholic Church is not the equivalent of the Catholic Church, or of “all things Catholic.” It’s the baby and the bathwater thing? CBK
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American churches, synagogues etc. are the congregations. If congregants support the denial of constitutional rights of American citizens- indeed it is the baby and the bathwater analogy.
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“William Barr took ‘religious liberty’ as his subject, and he portrayed his fellow-believers as a beleaguered and oppressed minority.”
Who are Barr’s “fellow-believers”? Depending on that answer, it may be true that those “fellow-believers” are a minority.
According to the Pew Forum report on the U.S. religious landscape, 70.6 percent of Americans are Christians and that includes the 20.8 percent that is Catholics, and William Barr is a Catholic. By definition, 20.8 percent of the population is a minority.
Non-Christian Faiths in the U.S. represent 5.9 percent of the population
Atheists represent 3.1 percent
Agonistics 4 percent.
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
But William Barr’s religous thinking does not represent the average Catholic.
“William Barr Is Neck-Deep in Extremist Catholic Institutions
His troubles don’t only involve his obeisance to Donald Trump. He’s a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won’t respect the separation of church and state.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/william-barr-notre-dame-secularism/
It is obvious to me that reading between the lines of Barr’s thinking, he wants his paranoid right-wing Catholic ideology to replace all other Christian demonizations and beliefs and considers anything outside of what he thinks as a threat.
I think Willam Barr is more dangerous than Donald Trump, who does not have a spiritual or religious bone in his body unless lust-and-greed is recognized as a Christian denomination.
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What William Barr and Betsy DeVos actually seek is the destruction of the teacher unions. After the teacher unions, they will come to destroy other public unions including fire and police. Why? To accumulate more money and enrich themselves, billionaires oppose any contrary force that could demand a more equitable distribution of America’s wealth. Barr is a tool for billionaires as is his boss.
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What is most important about Toobin’s piece is the observation that in the name of protecting the free exercise of religion (which is not in fact at risk), Barr and his ilk are promoting a violation of the Establishment Clause. It isn’t okay to claim that your religious freedom entitles you to mistreat people you disapprove of. And it certainly isn’t “Christian” to mistreat others.
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Yup. They are fighting to establish the “right” to discriminate against others based on your religious convictions. Under their theory, people may claim the right to discriminate against women, blacks, Muslims, Jews, gays, etc. because their religion says that is correct.
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I wish Barr would have to answer a few questions:
Do religious schools that are based in teaching the Muslim religion also deserve public funding? Do religious schools that offer the teachings of Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church deserve public funding?
Are you saying that if a Christian wants to refuse to serve Jewish people because they do not worship Jesus Christ, you want to allow them to do that? Because otherwise those Christians would be unable to freely practice their religion?
The media lets the far right get away with these kinds of things. If you want to know how co-opted the media is, just look at what happened this weekend.
HRC implied that Russia had used Jill Stein and would use Tulsi Gabbard as assets to help their candidate Trump win an election. The media turned it into a storm and demanded that all Democrats take a stand. Pete Buttigieg was criticized for not “answering the question” about this.
Now contrast this with what happened when Barr made some of the most reprehensible statements in that speech. Whereas HRC is a has-been, Barr has one of the most powerful jobs in this country.
So how many Republicans have been asked to go on record as to whether they support this? How many interviews with Republicans where the media didn’t even bother to ask them about this and make it into the controversy it should rightly be because the guy making this speech has one of the most powerful positions in this country! The statement that Christians are suffering greatly because they aren’t allowed to discriminate against non-Christians was not made by 2016 candidate Mike Huckabee or Rick Santorum who often make ugly statements about politicians and no Republicans are ever forced to go on record either condemning their reprehensible attacks or agreeing with it. It wasn’t a has-been former candidate for President, this statement was made by the CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE US.
And the media is more concerned with forcing Democrats to agree or not agree with a statement by a has-been candidate than forcing Republicans to go on record as to whether they agree with Barr or will condemn him.
That’s what we are up against. Republicans can say the most nasty, ugly things and the media will ignore it. Every Republican should be asked about what Barr said and whether they support their attorney general bashing non-Christians and saying he will use his power to make sure that Christians can discriminate against non-Christians all they want.
I want to hear if John Kasich thinks that is okay. Does Lindsay Graham think that is okay? Does Susan Collins?
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I don’t know about Tulsi Gabbard, but I’m inclined to believe that Jill Stein was a willing accomplice in blocking Hillary’s election for the benefit of Putin. When Mike Flynn got into trouble for sitting at Putin’s head table at a dinner in honor of the Kremlin’s media outlet, “Russia Today,” Jill Stein was seated at the same head table. Why did no one in the media call attention to her chumminess with the vile Vlad?
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I agree. And I also feel as if people misunderstand the word “asset” when it comes to espionage. It also includes “useful idiots” who don’t know they are being used and are loyal to their own country.
But the issue really is why the media made that comment by a has-been candidate with no political power into a scandal and kept asking Democrats to go on record about it, while when the current Attorney General of the US — an extremely powerful man — made that speech, the media didn’t just ignore, but did not force every Republican to have to go on record about whether they agree with Barr or strongly condemn him. Susan Collins and John Kasich should not be interviewed by any legitimate journalist without being asked whether they agreed with William Barr that Christians should be allowed to discriminate against non-Christians if they wanted to. But they won’t be. Instead those same so-called “journalists” will ask Democrats their opinion on Stein or Gabbard. That double standard is why the right wing keeps winning.
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Yes, NYC…double standards exist as documented by Media Matters.
I’m hopeful Dems, rank and file and politicians, will stand with their candidate in 2020, recognizing the strategic error of not defending Hillary (after the primary, independent Bernie, was her staunchest supporter).
Hillary, who is currently on the media talk circuit promoting her book, issued a statement that a politician was a Russian asset. It’s newsworthy and important to pin down the meaning.
If there was a 3rd party run in the making which would have hurt the Dems’ chances, we should all be grateful to Hillary for stopping it in its tracks.
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Agreed!
Do NOT support any 3rd party candidate.
Jill Stein, James Comey, and Putin elected Trump.
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Diane Can you get Linda off the Catholic thing? She keeps on broad-brushing ALL-things-Catholic with the destructive factions that live in ANY religious institution.
It’s like saying ALL Catholic priests are child molesters because SOME of them are. OR ALL Muslims are terrorists because SOME of them are. Or All Jews are involved in a totalitarian conspiracy because SOME of them are. Or ALL women hate men, because SOME of them do. And so if you are Catholic, you ARE INVOLVED IN A CONSPIRACY to take over the government.
Though “lapsed” in many respects, I AM CATHOLIC and do not think those things. Catholics are as diverse in their politics an ANY group. Linda–please get off your Catholic bashing. CBK
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CBK,
I agree with you!
I am married to a Roman Catholic, certainly not an extremist as Linda describes. All the Catholics I know—and they are many—are devoted to social justice.
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There is a schism in the U.S. Catholic Church. Guess who is leading the uprising in the U.S. against the current Catholic Pope.
“Koch Brothers’ Latest Target: Pope Francis”
https://prospect.org/culture/koch-brothers-latest-target-pope-francis/
“The Pope and the Koch Brothers?”
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/pope-and-koch-brothers
Betsy DeVos, Bannon, and Barr et al. are allies and/or minions of KOCH and ALEC.
Charles Koch, the last toxic Koch standing now that David is dead, Bannon and Barr have something in common. They are extremist American Catholics opposed to Pope Francis.
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Diane AND LINDA Perhaps we can bring up that Texas ministers’ group who understands the importance of maintaining a secularist democracy–it’s not a rejection of religion or THEIR religion–and they understand that–but a freedom of religion–all religion–that has the best survival potential in a secular democracy.
Insofar as in specific instances where secularity and freedoms of religion are not maintained (as another teacher here referred to), then those instances are like slavery was, or women not voting–it existed, but was in conflict with our Constitution, not to mention justice.
But all religions have embedded in them a tendency for totalitarian ambitions–it’s, by its nature, our tribal element that will probably always need tempering and will never really go away. To identify everyone in one Church by name as totalitarian (or conspiratorial, etc.), however, doesn’t help but only buys into those same tribal forces, not to mention being reactionary and just dead wrong. CBK
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That’s Pastors for Texas Children, which seeks separation of church and state.
PTC is spreading to other states.
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Linda There is a higher viewpoint to be had by ANY of us, regardless of our religious foundations. To think anything else is . . . well. . . tribal. CBK
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Catherine,
When organizations and individuals who have power, spell out their religious beliefs to rationalize taking away women’s rights and gay rights and to eliminate the common good and the separation of church and state, it is my solemn obligation to work to stop it. It is my personal responsibility to this and, to the next generation of Americans.
Diane can silence me. But, Catherine, you can’t because of a misperceived, religious victimhood. It is noteworthy that you used the authoritarian model, asking the top of the chain of command to stop me from saying what you didn’t want to hear.
Every comment I have made at this blog, related to religion, is in reference to a political action by an organization that self identifies or can be easily deduced to be driven in promotion of its faith. Each individual, e.g. Paul Weyrich, that I have commented about, referencing his religion, is well-known to operate politically for the religious right wing. Additionally, I have listed voting patterns related to religion. If a person objects to truthful reporting of statistics, it is a sign the person wants to operate with blinders.
If religious organizations didn’t successfully advantage the leaders and/or their institutions through the political process, if they weren’t aligned with authoritarian politicians and judges, I wouldn’t write about them. Fair and balanced commenting from me is not digging up some obscure individual or group from every religion and exposing some political stand they took.
I can find dozens of msm articles about evangelicals and they may mention homeschooling. Journalists just of late have identified the millions going to Catholic schools through vouchers.
You can clear something up for me. Why are Gulen schools a topic for a post but not Seton Network nor Cristo Rey?
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This, actually, sounds true, Linda.
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Linda Wrong again. Done here. CBK
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Thanks Mate.
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Illustration of parent-child communication style,
preemptively announcing, “Done here”.
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This is sort of off topic but Maher definitely knows what motivates Trump.
Trump: “I want more money, more money, more money.” He needs to learn about the emoluments clause and that there are limits to how he gets money while being president. I’m tired of his ego campaigns and over 13,000 lies.
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New Rule: Prickstarter | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
Oct 19, 2019
Real Time with Bill Maher
In his editorial New Rule, Bill makes Donald Trump an offer he can’t refuse.
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Bill Maher sparks joy. His show alone justifies America.
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Uh…I taught in public high school for many many years.
Every Christmas there is a Christmas tree in the school foyer.
When I asked if I could put up a menorah I was told no.
When I asked if we could celebrate all holidays by noting them at the same time I was told no.
It’s never changed.
Public schools, and public funds still equal anti-semitism.
In my community an unknowing child asked my daughter if we celebrated Thanksgiving since we’re Jewish.
So politics aside, our democratic/republican government is funding public schools that discriminate every day.
I don’t believe in funding secular schools or private schools.
But wonder what they are teaching inside their walls.
I just finished watching CBS with Leslie Stahl in the discussion of the anniversary of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting on October 27th.
What have we learned about what happened on Oct.27th and what can we teach to our children in any school?
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Wow, so you taught in all 98,817 public schools in all fifty states in more than 13,000 public school districts. There is no other way for you to know what to think about all those public schools being anti-Semitic unless you taught in all of them.
It sounds like you have taught for many, many years … a lot more than the thirty years I taught.
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I think it is harsh to say that public schools discriminate. It would be great if all schools could help students get an overview of all religions but testing is taking up time and preparation for these worthless tests are taking up time.
When I taught at the International School of Kuala Lumpur each grade level would put on a performance. Each year, one class level would put on a play or sing Muslim songs. Another grade would display Hindu practices. There was a Christmas program and I did use religious songs. Nobody objected. [Sorry, there was no Jewish religion mentioned.]
How much effort should be put into understanding the Muslim religion in our public schools? I have a copy of the Holy Qur’an. Does anyone understand the Hindu religion? I find it very complicated even thought I have a Hindu friend. What about spiritualism? I’m a spiritualist. Nobody knows what I believe. I study with a Cherokee shaman.
I taught K-5 music in one district in Illinois. The Christmas program was not allowed to have any religious songs sung, only generic songs like Frosty the Snowman or Jingle Bells. We had two Jewish children in the school and I was told to add some Jewish songs on the Christmas program.
Discrimination is a harsh word to say about all public schools. The far R has many comments about how public schools are teaching ‘socialism’, Marxism and all sorts of anti-democratic stuff.
Is it possible for public schools supposed to please everyone? There still is supposed to be a separation of church and public schools.
I had a second grade teacher in Meridian, Idaho who would repeatedly say a prayer. “Even though I walk through the valley of death…..” I still remember it. She obviously thought we needed her brand of Christianity.
Do schools still get Good Friday off? It would be difficult to stop Christmas programs totally.
The Evangelicals are very outspoken and so are Catholics. They have their specific schools and taxpayer money should not be supporting them.
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“How much effort should be put into understanding the Muslim religion in our public schools? ”
Tricky and loaded question, but imo no effort should be put into explaining any religion. The same for politics. If these topics come up in a reading, fine, but no subject should talk about this stuff.
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Máté Wierdl: I was only using it as a reference as to how some people believe public schools are discriminating if they don’t accept certain beliefs. Schools cannot please everyone on every topic.
I do approve of some knowledge being given out on ALL religions. I didn’t even know that Islamic or Hindu religions even existed when I was in 1-12 grade public schools. Of course, I didn’t learn anything about European, Asian or African history either. Duh. They didn’t exist on the map.
I did learn about the civil war. In grade school we studied the states and their capital cities, Louis and Clark’s travels, stuff about America and Europeans coming to the new world and the Revolutionary war. It was all US focused.
In college I took a course about history of the NW United States.
Children need a broad based set of knowledge on a variety of subjects.
If parents want their children to learn one specific religion, send that child to a religious school which is NOT supported by taxpayer money. I can’t stand the thought taxpayer money teaching some child that the world is 6,000 years old and that people rode dinosaurs.
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@Mate Wierdi: I disagree. Public schools should be teaching comparative religions! Academician Stephen Prothero (and many others) have advocated this for many years.
You cannot have an understanding of Western Civilization, without a basic understanding of Christianity. Same for the Great Schism, the Protestant Reformation, the Establishment of the Church of England, the six wives of Henry VIII, etc.
20% of this world is Muslim, and it is growing FAST in the USA. How can we hope to maintain our pluralistic society, where all people can freely practice their religion, unless we understand each other’s religion?
“We must learn to live together as brothers, or we will surely perish as fools” – Martin Luther King, Jr. Nobel Peace Prize winner.
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I agree, Charles.
Teach religion as part of world civilization and US history.
But not a nickel of public money for religious schools to indoctrinate students.
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The question then is what to teach? Is one sentence enough: Christians believe there is one God and he or his son or both got crucified but then got resurrected. Is this useful? Should they then start explaining what a God is? At what age? De kids need to know? Should they start quoting from the Bible? Should ateism be taught?
I went to school in Communist Hungary. I learned endlessly about all religions (and of course their Marxist criticism), all their little nuances of views, how these nuances provoked war, murder, exploitation, etc. I thought, and still believe, we could have learned so many other interesting things, at least as important, as relevant, but much less depressing.
Religion is (or should be) a private matter. Why treat it as public? Isn’t that the beginning of making it an ideology, a political force?
Religion taught in school is likely to become an ideology, and that just sounds inappropriate to me; a ticking time bomb.
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You can’t really understand world history without studying the role of religion.
What were the Crusades about?
Why so many religious wars in Europe?
How did Islam spread? Why?
What role did religion play in the abolition movement, in the temperance movement, in the US civil rights movement?
These are subjects for study, not for indoctrination.
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I know. I also know that religions motivated much of art, architecture, and music. But it seems to me that if we teach the role of religion in history we at least also have to draw the conclusion for the kids that organized religion has a big problem.
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Charles For once, I agree with you on that one. To learn ABOUT different religions in history is not to indoctrinate–but certainly teachers need to understand the finer points, and parents have to agree for it to be peaceful. Otherwise, it’s a bag full of angry rats. CBK
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I dunno if there is a strong argument for teaching about religions in school. If we consider history as the a collection of wars in which the main roles are played by Kings and priests, then there could be an argument for pointing out how religious ideologies were used to persuade the masses to work and fight for a few power hungry individuals.
On the other hand, if we decide that we are more curious about the people who actually did work, provided for the kings and priests, then we may not find ideologies so compelling. We can just dismiss all by saying “strong beliefs in ideologies caused, time after time, terrible wars, persecutions and other sufferings to people. Forget them. Believe what you want just don’t recruit other people to think like you, to help you make your beliefs a systematic ideology—it’ll surely be used to overpower innocent people.”
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Mate To try to teach history without regard for world religions would constitute a complete distortion of the field, not to mention doing a horrible disservice to children’s understanding of the world they live in. I don’t know what else to say about it on a blog. CBK
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Barr is purely Orwellian – spouting disinformation, half-truths and double-think. Ever since his fawning audition letter to BLOATUS he’s been aiding the right in dismantling the government and attacking democratic institutions. Add him to the impeachment list with Mulvaney, Pompeo and Pence.
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“free government was only suitable and sustainable for a religious people—a people who recognized that there was a transcendent moral order.”
I hope this guy was booed at one of the finest university in the country. Was he?
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Here is another blatant lie by Trump. He goes from, “Leaders like you in Florida are key to fulfilling our bold agenda to Make America Great Again!” to “I don’t know about them.” Trump has now told 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days.
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Lev Parnas Instagram Reveals Personal Note From Trump Thanking Him For His ‘Friendship’
Published 10.21.19 9:06AM ET
The private Instagram account shows the indicted Giuliani associate at events with four members of the Trump family.
The private Instagram account of Lev Parnas—one of two Rudy Giuliani associates charged with campaign finance violations—reveals a personal note to him apparently from Donald Trump. The Wall Street Journal gained access to the locked account which shows Parnas at events with Giuliani, Donald Jr., Eric, President Trump, and his ex-wife Ivana. One photograph shows a note apparently signed by Trump and the First Lady, Melania Trump, which reads: “To Lev Parnas, Thank you for your friendship and dedication to our cause. Leaders like you in Florida are key to fulfilling our bold agenda to Make America Great Again!” The photos also show Parnas in the lead up to the midterms flying around on a private jet with Giuliani. The day after Barr released a summary of the Mueller report, he posted photos from a “celebration dinner” with Trump’s legal team. After Parnas was indicted, Trump said of him and fellow Giuliani associate Igor Fruman: “I don’t know them. I don’t know about them. I don’t know what they do.”…
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-instagram-reveals-personal-note-from-trump-thanking-him-for-his-friendship?source=email&via=desktop
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This is Trump’s version of MAGA. He knows more than all of the State Department employees. His gut is truly wonderfully intelligent. [Barf.] Do they really want to carry out the policies set by the WH?
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Diplomats describe all-time low in morale at State under Trump
The Trump administration’s perennial push for steep budget cuts, an exodus of senior staffers with decades of experience and constant allegations that agency employees represent a deep state has sent morale at the State Department to an unprecedented low.
On top of that, President Trump has fired a senior diplomat after a whisper campaign mounted by his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and abandoned steadfast allies in the Middle East to fend for themselves on the battlefield at the behest of Turkey’s government.
Current and former diplomats say the weight of those events is taking a startling and measurable toll on American foreign relations, and on their ability to carry out policy set by the White House.
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Good question. The GOP and Trump are proving that the ‘Christian’ religion doesn’t necessarily follow the teachings of Jesus. God does not love corrupt politicians, and that includes Trump. Jesus didn’t need a mega-church.
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Thom Hartmann’s blog
Has Capitalism and The GOP Destroyed Religion?
The number of Americans who called them selves Christian or religious has declined precipitously over the last decade, and the number of Americans who are “unaffiliated Christians”, atheists, or unconcerned about religion or spirituality has increased. In the same way that big money has corrupted our politics since the Supreme Court legalized it in 1976, it appears that big money is also corrupting religion. Evangelical megachurch pastors and televangelists have become the new Borgia families, living lives of luxury, building massive personal fortunes, and suggesting to their followers that God loves certain corrupt politicians. The Catholic Church never completely excised it’s internal rot and corruption, and continues to pay the price for it.
The question now is whether contemporary Protestant Christianity will return to its core and generally apolitical middle-class values, or will its most visible leaders continue to support the Republican Party and it’s billionaire megadonors?
-Thom
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Trump is freaking out over loosing the G-7 summit at Doral.
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Trump Dismisses Doral Criticism: ‘You People With This Phony Emoluments Clause’
After facing criticism for his previous plan to host the next G7 Summit at one of his resorts in Miami, President Trump on Monday called the foreign emoluments clause in the U.S. Constitution “phony.” Trump told reporters in the White House that he has no obligation to put his businesses in trusts, claiming that George Washington simultaneously ran a business while being president. “You people with this phony emoluments clause… and by the way, I would say that it’s cost anywhere between $2 to $5 billion to be president, and that’s okay,” he said. “I would have made a fortune, if I just ran by business.” He also railed against former President Obama’s media deals that were unveiled after he had left office. “Hey, Obama made a deal for a book—is that running a business? I’m sure he didn’t even discuss it while he was president,” Trump said. “He has a deal with Netflix. When did they start talking about that?”..
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-dismisses-doral-criticism-you-people-with-this-phony-emoluments-clause?via=newsletter&source=CSPMedition&jwsource=em
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No one told Trump that the Emoluments Clause is in the Constitution.
What Is the Emoluments Clause?
The emoluments clause is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives. The clause provides that:
“No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
The Constitution also contains a “domestic emoluments clause” (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 7), which prohibits the president from receiving any “Emolument” from the federal government or the states beyond “a Compensation” for his “Services” as chief executive
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Trump: “”I think I am, actually humble. I think I’m much more humble than you would understand.” —”60 Minutes” interview, July 17, 2016
Trump speaks a lot like Gabby Johnson from “Blazing Saddles.” It’s all genuine gibberish off the top of his head.
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Trump is the most humble president ever ever ever in history
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Diane, you have no idea how much I laughed at your comment. I’m still giggling.
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I did not give the full list. It gets too long. [He sounds very similar to Gabby Johnson in “Blazing Saddles”.] Authentic frontier gibberish.
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Fact-checking Trump’s wild Cabinet session from The Washington Post
“I don’t want to leave troops there. It’s very dangerous for — you know, we had 28 troops, as it turned out. People said 50. It was 28. And you had an army on both sides of those troops. Those troops could have been wiped out.”
It was Trump that had said 50 troops. But these tiny numbers belie the fact that Trump ordered the withdrawal of about 1,000 U.S. troops from northeastern Syria from about a dozen bases and outposts scattered across the region, where they worked alongside Syrian Kurdish partners.
“I always thought if you’re going in, keep the oil. Same thing here. Keep the oil. …We’ve secured the oil.”
…But the plan still has to be put into action. Trump’s language suggests the United States is taking control of the oil. But the U.S. military does not seize foreign oil because it’s against international law “to destroy or seize the enemy’s property.”
“We have a good relationship with the Kurds. But we never agreed to, you know, protect the Kurds. We fought with them for 3½ to four years. We never agreed to protect the Kurds for the rest of their lives.”
Trump misleadingly frames the agreement as the “rest of their lives.” But the United States had certainly made a deal with the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which lost 11,000 soldiers in defeating the Islamic State, after being trained and equipped by the United States…
“The whistleblower gave a false account. Now we have to say, well, do we have to protect somebody that gave a false account?”
“So was there actually an informant? Maybe the informant was Schiff. It could be Shifty Schiff. In my opinion, it’s possibly Schiff. He and his staff, or his staff or a whole group.”
“I gave away my salary. It’s, I guess, close to $450,000. I give it away. Nobody ever said, ‘He gives away his salary.’ Now it comes up because of this. But I give away my presidential salary. They say that no other president has done it. … They actually say that George Washington may — may have been the only other president to do — but see whether or not Obama gave up his salary.”
The president’s annual salary is currently $400,000 — and Trump is the third president to give away his salary….
“Best location, right next to the airport, Miami International, one of the biggest airports in the world. Some people say it’s the biggest, but one of the biggest airports in the world.”
Trump defended his now-abandoned decision to hold the Group of Seven summit at the Trump National Doral resort, but he needs to get his airport rankings straight. Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is No. 1 in the world by passenger volume, with more than 100 million passengers, but Miami does not even rank in the top 20. In 2017, it ranked 40th, according to the Airports Council International….
“Doral was setting records when I bought it, because I owned it for a period of time. Setting records. It was going to — there was nothing like it. It was making a fortune. And then what happened? I announce I’m going to run for office, right? And all of a — and I say we gotta build a wall, we got to have borders, we’ve got to have this, we’ve got to have that. All of a sudden, people — some people didn’t like it. They thought the rhetoric was too tough. And it went from doing great to doing fine. It does very nicely now. It’s actually coming back, I understand, very strongly. But Doral was setting records.”
Trump’s Doral resort has been in sharp decline in recent years, according to the Trump Organization’s own records. Its net operating income fell 69 percent from 2015 to 2017.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/22/fact-checking-trumps-wild-cabinet-session/
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Trump obviously doesn’t understand the hardships that blacks have had to endure from racist white people like him. it is NOT a lynching to impeach a man who is a liar, a con and a corrupt crook. Impeachment is legal in the constitution. [The stable genius makes up his own laws.]
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Trump is getting frightened. What will he do as the impeachment inquiry progresses? What will he do if he is actually impeached by the House?
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With Impeachment Looming, Trump Is Threatening to Sue ‘Everybody Who Pisses Him Off’
The president is reverting to his bad habits.
Updated 10.22.19
…On Friday, CNN rejected the letter as “nothing more than a desperate PR stunt and doesn’t merit a response,” and numerous lawyer and legal experts laughed it off as amounting to little more than mere whining.
The delivery of the Trump attorney’s four-page document was a blip on the news cycle, but one that offered a glimpse into how the president has often responded over the decades when he feels besieged. In his game-show host years and real-estate days, he and his legal counsel would frequently lean on lawsuits and legal threats as an intimidation tactic—even if they knew there was no chance of it advancing in the courts. It’s a strategy that Trump hasn’t abandoned, even after he became leader of the free world. And with impeachment at the hands of House Democrats looming, one senior White House official said that the president’s impulse to sue, or say he’ll sue, “everybody who pisses him off” is only intensifying.
And it’s not just CNN. According to two people close to the president, Trump has also asked his lawyers and advisers about options for legal retaliation against other news outlets, including MSNBC and The Washington Post…
https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-impeachment-looming-trump-is-threatening-to-sue-everybody-who-pisses-him-off?source=email&via=desktop
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Of interest. Politico just ran a piece today about Trump boasting he gives away his annual $400k salary, and as usual, Trump adds more lies to his growing armada of falsehoods.
Last paragraph in that Politico piece: “Trump has made a show of giving away his paycheck, donating his salary to the National Park Service, the Department of Education, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Small Business Administration, the Surgeon General’s office and the Department of Agriculture.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/trump-presidential-salary-053366
Has anyone managed to verify that Trump really gave that annual $400k away as he brags? For a blob that has lied more than 13,000 times since moving into the White House, I think that anyone that trusts anything that Trump says or tweets is a fool.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Well, Trump has attempted to fool everyone in the world more than 13,000 times since he lied January 2017 while taking the Oath of Office. That Oath said he would defend the U.S. Constitution and his latest attack on the U.S. Constitution he took an oath to protect was on this clause in the U.S. Constitution:
Clause 8, Titles of Nobility and Emoluments
“Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
Explanation: Congress can’t make you a Duke, Earl, or even a Marquis. If you are a civil servant or elected official, you can’t accept anything from a foreign government or official, including an honorary title or an office. This clause prevents any government official from receiving foreign gifts without the permission of Congress.
https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-9-3322344
Trump’s attack on the Emoluments clause is grounds for impeachment by itself.
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Trump said the Emoluments clause is phony.
He needs a lawyer.
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“He needs a lawyer”
He has Rudy Giuliana, a lawyer I want him to keep, close, very close. Trump and Giuliani are like Dumb and Dumber.
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Lloyd Lofthouse: “Trump boasting he gives away his annual $400k salary,”
The US spends a fortune on Trump’s golf outings. [He also doesn’t work when he’s in the WH.]
Trump’s Golf Trips Could Cost Taxpayers Over $340 Million
“I don’t think I’d ever see Doral again,” he told a rally audience in February 2016, referring to his course near the Miami airport. “I don’t ever think I’d see anything. I just want to stay in the White House and work my ass off.”
Trump has played at least 88 rounds of golf since he became President, has likely played 139 and has visited golf courses over 193 days. These compare to Obama’s 76 outings over the same timeframe.
Trump’s golf outings
Trump’s golf trips have almost exclusively been to his properties. Below is a breakdown of Trump’s visits.
Trump golf outings over 2 and a half years
1 of 193 outings were to the President’s Cup
2 of 193 outings were in Japan
3 of 193 outings were at Trump’s Ireland course
190 of 193 outings were to Trump’s golf properties
20 flights to Bedminster, New Jersey, to visit Trump’s course
24 flights to Mar-a-Lago
At his current pace Trump will visit his golf properties about 310 times and if he is re-elected it would 620.
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Trump’s Company Wipes His Name From New York City Skating Rinks
Jamie RossReporterPublished 10.23.19 5:02AM ET
Reuters
A pair of ice rinks in New York City’s Central Park, which have been run by the Trump Organization since the 1980s, have quietly removed Trump’s name from their branding for this year’s festive season. The Washington Post reports that it’s the first time since Trump took office that his own businesses appear to be downplaying their connection to him. “It’s a complete rebranding,” said Geoffrey Croft, of the watchdog group NYC Park Advocates. “They’ve taken [the name] off everything. Off the uniforms, everything.” The name has been removed from boards around each rink where big red “TRUMP” signs surrounded skaters in previous years, and a white tarp is being used to hide the Trump name at the desk where visitors rent skates. One employee told the Post the change was made because the Trump branding was driving customers away, saying: “I do believe that’s the answer. It was hurting business … A lot of the schools, you know, liberal private schools up here, come to parties up here.”
Read it at Washington Post
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A college classmate of mine led the successful petition drive to take Trump’s name off the rental building she lives in on the west side of Manhattan. Off the building, off the uniforms of the building staff. Gone.
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It never seems to end. Where does Trump find these attorneys? Trump is immune from investigation while in office?
Trump lawyer says president could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and avoid prosecution
An attorney for President Trump told a federal appeals court Wednesday that Trump could not be prosecuted even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York.
Trump attorney William Consovoy made the remark during oral arguments in a case involving a subpoena seeking Trump’s tax returns and financial records from his accounting firm. The president’s attorneys have argued he has blanket immunity from criminal prosecution and even investigation while in office.
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carolmalaysia Oh, how these lawyers’ imaginations bloom according to their unguarded desires and fears. CBK
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