Is it possible that a math test could be dangerous? This teacher educator, Kassia Omohundro Wedekind, says yes. She says the iReady Assessment is dangerous.
She explains:
This school year Fairfax County Public Schools, the 10th largest school division in the United States, adopted the iReady assessment as a universal screener across all of its elementary schools. Students in grades K-6 take these assessments individually on the computer three times per year, and the results are made available to both teachers and parents.
According to Curriculum Associates, the company that makes iReady, these assessments are an “adaptive Diagnostic for reading and mathematics [that] pinpoints student need down to the sub-skill level, and [provides] ongoing progress monitoring [to] show whether students are on track to achieve end-of-year targets.”
The Fairfax County Public Schools website further asserts that iReady is a “tool that has the potential to streamline Responsive Instruction processes, promote early identification and remediation of difficulties and improve student achievement.”
While I have found this assessment deeply troubling all year, it has taken me a while to be able to articulate exactly why I think this assessment is so dangerous, and why I think we need to use our voices as teachers, administrators and parents to speak out against it.*
So, let’s get back to the claim in the title of this blog post. iReady is dangerous. This might sound like hyperbole. After all, this is just a test, right? In this era of public schooling, children take many assessments, some more useful than others, so what’s the big deal with iReady?…
Based on the scores, iReady generates a report for each student for each of the domains. The report offers a bulleted list of what the student can do and next steps for instruction. However, if you take a look at the finer print you’ll learn that these reports are not generated from the specific questions that the child answered correctly or incorrectly, but rather are a generic list based on what iReady thinks that students who score in this same range in this domain likely need.
The teacher can never see the questions the child answered correctly or incorrectly, nor can she even access a description of the kinds of questions the child answered correctly or incorrectly. The most a teacher will ever know is that a child scored poorly, for example, in number and operations. Folks, that is a giant category, and far too broad to be actionable.
But above all else, the iReady Universal Screener is a dangerous assessment because it is a dehumanizing assessment. The test strips away all evidence of the students’ thinking, of her mathematical identity, and instead assigns broad and largely meaningless labels. The test boils down a student’s entire mathematical identity to a generic list of skills that “students like her” generally need, according to iReady. And yet despite its lumping of students into broad categories, iReady certainly doesn’t hesitate to offer very specific information about what a child likely can do and what next instructional steps should be.
Read on. See her examples. What do you think?
All standardized tests are dangerous. They make kids (and, worse, their parents) think that their value lies in a number on a test and they internalize that number and become the stereotype of that number – either a “good”, “smart” kid or a “bad”, “dumb” kid (or, I suppose, an “average”, “who cares?” kid). All children are harmed by this, not just the “bad”, “dumb” ones.
This particular test has the added insidious effects of data mining and life-long tracking and the de-humanizing effects of computerized testing, but in a crazy sort of way, I welcome these added negativities. The more obviously harmful a test is, the more likely people will be to resist and refuse it, rather than just shrug it off as, in the words of this author, “just a test”.
As usual, you beat me to the punch, Dienne!
Completely agree.
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Adding to your comment.
“All standardized tests are dangerous.”
Not only dangerous but any results and conclusions from those results are completely invalid. They are dangerous in the invalidity in that one can easily be misclassified leading to improper “interventions” for the student.
These tests purport to be diagnostic. When did the teaching and learning process deform into a diagnose and repair process?
All assessments, tests, quizzes should be designed primarily, actually only with the student’s own learning in mind wherein the student can more fully understand his/her own learning process. Anything other uses are unethical as using a student for his/her data is to take something that does not belong to anyone else-stealing, whether the time of the test or the information about the student that should only be for the purview of the student and parents in conjunction with the teacher to help the student learn.
To compound that stealing, it is done with a fraudulent process. What the hell? One can’t condemn that malpractice stridently enough. The self-righteousness and selfishness of those who use students in this way is abhorrent.
What the hell? I did always hate IReady but damn, what the hell is this??
Please be a little more specific in your concerns/questions about my comment. What about it don’t you understand?
I think the reason the test is so generic in it’s findings is primarily due to the financial/logistical/conceptual boondogle the problem actually represents, AKA the Complexity Problem. To provide the fine grained detail iready claims to provide would require far more complex algorithyms and a far larger data set on the math itself, on the meaning and significance of all the possible wrong answers on their own and also as they releate to each other, and then it would have to accurately process all that for each student which will never happen because the test itself can never be made “smart” enough to do that in the time required vs. the number of problems needed. Humans who are expert at the math/error part would have to work with the coders to reproduce ALL of the math understanding in the algorithms, and you all know how human bias and other noise creeps into that process. Doing all that up front and then verifying it to the degree required to fulfill the sales pitch, and then paying for the servers and people needed to operate such a system would not be cheap or efficient at all. This assumes that any level of per student accuracy could be achieved in the first place. Good luck with that. Long story short, it’s just more snake oil, all hat and no cattle. Marketing wins out over reality once again.
Children are doing online school, and they are mostly doing things on IREADY. We should stop this…All of this online schooling. I mean come on! There isn’t much left of the school year anyways.
As a child I agree with this statement. What the I-Ready (and in general any testing schools use) is mind-numbing and completely useless. “These tests are too crude to be used” -Fredrick J Kelly A.K.A. the creator of standardized tests.
and sometimes the math is wrong
As a student required to use this program twice a week before the quarantine and an hour a week during, this is an issue. The program has specific and bizarre questions with very broad categories and overall fails to teach anything, as students are turned off from engaging due to the sheer amount of frustration that it is caused from the lack of sensible instruction. It absolutely fails to properly give students the right lesson. I am a 7th grader in 9th grade math, however it gives me and many students 5th and 6th grade math, some students have had basic division and multiplication despite their actual math abilities. I give my full advocation and so does my boyfriend and all of my friends to the removal of this harmful and unhelpful program.
I agree that standardized tests are not great, but I do not see what the point of complaining about something without offering any solutions. I did not read all the comments, so I may have missed some solutions. What are practical, realistic solutions to these problems? I am not trying to attack or offend anyone, but my point is it is far easier to criticize something than to offer an alternative/solution.
Let teachers assess their own students.
That worked for generations.
It works for almost every other nation in the world
I address your point in the afterword to my book “Infidelity to Truth: Education Malpractice in American Public Education”.
“A tactic of administrators or any powers that be to silence those bold enough to critique their policies and practices, even after agreeing with one’s critique, is “Well, you’ve criticized what we are doing but “What is your solution?” usually said with such tone and emphasis as if they have now trapped the perpetrator in a debate dilemma. The administrator knows that it is impossible to come up with a feasible solution to your critiques in the minute or two they allot you to do so, solving his/her problem of the critical thinker in their employ. He/She walks away smug in his/her confidence that he/she won that verbal battle. And you’re left standing there thinking “What a smug ass bastard!”
It takes an immense amount of ego, hubris and gall to think that one person can solve long standing, seemingly intractable structural problems in the public education realm especially on such short notice. To attempt to do so guarantees failure. Not only that but who am I to propose solutions for everyone else? Our society doesn’t work that way. So I offer no specific answers but I do offer some general guidelines in struggling to lessen the many injustices that current educational malpractices entail:
• Correctly identify malpractices that hinder the teaching and learning process and that cause harm to or do injustice to students. (see just a few identified above).
• Immediately reject those malpractices, cease doing them as soon as is practically possible.
• Maintain a “fidelity to truth” attitude in identifying those malpractices and instituting new practices.
• Focus on inputs and resources. Are they adequate to provide that all children have access to a learning environment in which they can learn to “savor the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the fruits of their own industry”?
• Involve all, interested community members, parents, students, teachers, aides, other support personnel, administrators and the school board in revising and formulating new policies and practices. . . “
I know right?!Iready is teaching me things I already know.I mean come on.
As a student i cant really be certified but it does not make sense why we need to have these tests they do not show creativity and there scores mean nothing schools should teach us to think and solve problems not to just answer questions without using any logic
You are so right! Keep thinking for yourself!
Next, maybe some teacher will expose MAP. I have refused MAP along with PARCC for both of my children. My children learned to game the test because it would keep on going for them. They thought it was stupid that it kept asking the same questions, but in a different way. They soon realized that when they got 3 incorrect, the test would stop. They would quickly get bored and make it end on purpose…. I’d say that was pretty smart for elementary school aged kids. Another useless, time consuming and expensive piece of bovine excrement.
“They soon realized that when they got 3 incorrect, the test would stop.”
My special ed students realized the same thing. It seems to be the definition of “adaptive” for a lot of computer assessments. So much for personalized instruction.
LOVING that line from Lisa M. proving that the tests are indeed personalized by actual human kids: “THEY WOULD GET BORED and make it end on purpose…”
Yes. Expose MAP and STAR. STAR is another “universal diagnostic screener,” brought to us by Renaissance Learning. Same folks who run Accelerated Reader. Student scores where I have worked/currently work are used for grouping, RTI, progress monitoring, and teacher evaluations. Neighboring districts do the same with iReady or MAP. This is a lot of testing. Online computer testing.
Again I ask, when did the teaching and learning process primarily become a diagnose and repair process?
iready is idiotic because elementary and middle schoolers shoulnt be subjected to something dosent let them try to work the problem out
haha
NWEA MAP test, used in the Western states, is exactly like this: all you get is a score, you get it half a year later, you do not get actual questions, answers and answer keys, you get several categories where you are good or not good, the teacher cannot access the questions and answers – basically you give away all you data getting nothing in return. I don’t see outrage against that test. CAASPP is pretty much the same.
Playing dumb again? Did you never hear of the Seattle teachers strike against the MAP?
2013? I was not interested in the matter back then, thank for the gentle reminder. Still, five years on, the test is alive and well.
The Seattle union just passed a resolution two days ago saying they would no longer give tests that were unnecessary. That certainly includes the MAP.
Right, googled and found this: https://iamaneducator.com/2018/06/14/standardized-testing-battle-in-seattle-union-votes-for-a-complete-moratorium-on-all-standardized-tests/ – thanks.
That article was posted here two days ago.
https://dianeravitch.net/2018/06/16/jesse-hagopian-seattle-teachers-vote-for-moratorium-on-all-standardized-tests/
And not all of “the Western states.” Utah doesn’t use it.
SICK! Where do the DEFORMERS get their LAME ideas? Oh, forgot, it about $$$$$ and perks.
Kassia got it right when she asked what would happen to the students of low income who the iReady test inevitably — pretty much automatically — labeled as high needs: “Will it mean that instead of rich mathematical experiences these students are relegated to computer-based or scripted intervention (conveniently sold by the same company that makes the assessment)?” There it is again, the money. Follow it.
This test is dangerous because an algorithm is designed to show only one right way to solve the problem. Students think in many ways, and there are several ways to solve the problem in the sample question. If fact, some students that are good mathematical thinkers would get the answer wrong. Computers are designed to process one bit of information at a time. They are binary, but the human brain is dynamic. We want students to be flexible thinkers, not plodders, particularly when students need not waste their time on the plodding. Students are punished for being ahead of the algorithm.
And if the stupid computer program my son had to use is any indication, the answers might not even be “wrong.”
The program my son was forced to complete required him to sometimes go out as far as five decimals, and sometimes fewer, but never said which questions needed to be answered which way. THEN, if he got it “wrong,” he was required to do a bunch more practice problems to “prove” he “knew” the material, even though he already knew it. He was required to get to certain “levels” in order to get a decent class grade. It was taking him HOURS to finish these “levels,” and then we finally realized that he wasn’t going out to enough decimal places. We searched and searched for instructions about how many decimal places to go to, and there were none. Some problems required him to go to five decimal points, and others in the same sequence only required one or two.
Who KNOWS what incorrent ways of doing math he “learned” because he thought he was doing the math “wrong.”
And we couldn’t opt him out–because it was a class requirement, and not a national or state test, which Utah law allows opt outs for.
“Outrageous!”, says this math teacher.
Sadly, technology is robotic. It can simplify a great many jobs, but it cannot think like a human. This works to the disadvantage of divergent thinkers.
“Sadly, technology is robotic.” – It is not technology, it is lazy programmers.
I ready had multiplication problems on the testing given to my first graders. There were too few lessons provided for students who needed extra help. Those that were available were often just repeated lessons. We chose a different program for next year.
What program did you choose for the next year?
I am speaking as a student, I have learned nothing from I-Ready NOTHING, I have been taking it for three years, and I have yet to see it accurately give me the assignments I need, I-Ready is a waste of time, even if it did put me where I need to be, it would not let me do it at my pace, I do not need an hours just to learn something simple, but it explains everything to you in a very slow manner, and explains why you got anything correct or incorrect. The questions could easily vary from person to person, many of the ELA questions can be inferred differently per person, which makes them extra difficult. Maybe the reason it does not accurately put you at your level is because many of the questions no one can answer correctly because it is dependent on the person! I have begun doing research into I-Ready and I am really wondering on why my school invested in it, there are countless privacy violations and countless reasons on why it does not work. Look at it this way, I am one of the highest performing students in my school, and I usually get 70’s, not because I do not understand the material, but because it is horrid! I think that should serve as an example, if your best students are struggling, maybe it does not work.
Agreed
as a student who also have done Iready for 3 years I can assure you that I have yet to learn anything. At the moment my Iready lesson is giving me a lesson FROM 5th GRADE. I’m in 8th grade. The lesson is doing absolutely nothing to help me in math. And although I got given a lesson that I learned in 5th grade, half if not most of the stuff was things you would learn in Algebra 2 (i’m in Algebra 1). And my careless guessing due to the fact that I didn’t know anything just gave me harder questions. If anything, no one in my school does Iready because the want to. When they are forced instead of doing the lesson they listen to music or draw, while still giving them minutes. Even if they pay attention, they learn nothing. All I’ve learned is that, I cant even put something here other than all the fact one lesson took me weeks because it wanted me to find all the factors of 420.
standardized tests are not dangerous and iready helps students with skills they need to learn in math. I should know I’m a student myself
You are right, Michael.
Standardized tests are not dangerous, they are just useless and meaningless.
Hi. Can you point me to the “fine print” that states the recommendations from a students test are not specific to that test but generic? I’m a teacher with students taking these assessments, including my own son, and some of the recommendations are topics he does not need any work in, but has complete proficiency in. Thanks
I don’t understand what you are looking for.
I-ready does not help iIm WAY ahead of the class and it gives me stuff we did in class half a year ago whatever your view on iready is WRONG the Ela is not bad all the time but the math is useless
I’m a student. In no way does this help me, the ela sucks. My grades are above average (especially in ela) and I get awful iready grades.
Ok one it is pointless 2 I learned nothing
I’m a student who does I-ready, and I have to say nothing about it is good.Never tells you how you got it wrong. I still remember in 3rd Grade it gave me the same lesson over and over even though I kept getting 100. Now me learning creative thinking (I’m in the gifted program) I figured out that if I fail it would stop giving me the assignment.Low and behold I got a new assignment.It’s assesments are a complete joke. Gives more questions the more you answer right, so naturally we all want to fail.The more you get right the more it bumps you up, so a 5th grade kid that’s smart enough to answer early 6th grade questions might end up getting booted up to say mid 6th grade.That sounds alright a first until you have to start guessing.Another problem is a student 5th grade student could be early 7th for Number Operations,but mid 4th for geometry.I-ready would take his or hers good score and but them in 7th.Levels aren’t adjusted for certain standards and sometimes needed to be adjusted by teacher.All of this would suck, but most teachers use this information to form groups and make desicions .For example if a 6th grade student is on a 9th grade level for geometry,but only a 3rd grade level for number operations the teacher might put this is student in the lower level for geometry.PLEASE! never make your students go through this!
“Never tells you [why] you got it wrong.”
This very astute comment from Aubrey identifies the fundamental flaw in all standardized testing: zero useful feedback that tells the student or teacher WHY an answer was wrong or WHY a student answered wrong. It is impossible to fix the unknown. This is why we “go over” tests in class. So simple.
Can we all agree that Carnegie Learning is by far the best compared to i-Ready?
If you are speaking for the Florida Virtual School, you are self-interested and representing a failed school.
No, because it is designed for common core, which I might remind you is also the same learning program I-Ready is designed for. It is certainly better than I-Ready, but it is not the best online learning platform.
No, Carnegie is not related to FLVS, which is in fact, failed.
i use carnegie learning for my language class and it is good because it allows for thinking and teacher involvement in the answering of questions and is a good learning and teaching tool unlike i ready
everyone in my class hates iready
I as a kid agree with this article the fact that most kids are taking iready lesson especially my school where we have to pass 4 reading lessons a month and 2 math a week thats not bad but I hate how on the program they make so boring with cheesy puns like mathtacular or exactomundo like can they just give us a problem then go on to the next without the cheesieness I feel most elementry kids would agree in 3rd grade I almost failed the grd bc this program and all I did was play games
bc i was so bored all my grades were d’s and c’s this program should be sued because the cuelty in making you redo the whole thing after failing once they make you redo the practice and the quiz and I quote “these tests are to crude to be used” – Fredrick J Kelly, Albert Einstein once said: Everyone’s a genius but if you judge a fish on its
ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is
stupid”
I am a 7th grader and I totally agree. i-Ready doesn’t really teach anything. Everyone in my class HATES iready, like me.
I agree that I-Ready is not an effective learning tool, but don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you post this in a blog with non-reliable sources (that being yourself) being quoted. Furthermore, if you would like to create your own learning platform to be used around the country, be my guest. The point is that you do not have the will or resources to fix the problem yourself, so don’t come crying to the people, who won’t fix the problem either, on a blog that I-Ready is not an effective learning tool. (If you are a teacher, which I am sure that you are, you would know that you can write your own curriculum, so you don’t have to include I-Ready in it. You could just use Khan Academy, which features content primarily taught by an incredibly bright man who has degrees in many areas of math and science. It is also free, so what are you doing using I-Ready?)
(And you won’t get instant gratification just because you asked for something on the internet). Have a nice day!
I agree. i’m in 5th grade and the highest in the class, and reaching up to mid 6th grade by now. and we have to do iready daily. it is boring, repetitive and even though i have been doing it for about half a decade, im sick of it. i can skip entire “levels” (a-m-z) and NEVER have even seen 6th grade on the website, even though it says “early 6th grade” and stuff. everything is easy, i get from early 4rth to mid 5th for just about all my lessons, and its boring. Yet, my teachers rely on it alot.
im a 5th grader and everyone im my class hates they go on another site just to not do the work
Totally agree. I’m going to eighth grade in the fall, and my last iReady lesson this school year was counting by tens. However, when we tell the teachers, somehow they pin the blame back on us, ex. “Maybe is you tried harder at the diagnostic, you would be in a higher level.” When the diagnostic took us 4 hours. Or, “Maybe if you did your lessons weekly like you’re supposed to, then you would be on the correct level.” Come on! I’m taking 10th grade math next year. I don’t want to ‘learn’ how to count by tens!
Of most terrifying concern to me is that these will be used now, in the time of remote and hybrid teaching and learning, to subject students, especially black and brown students, to the most disrespectful and deadening education imaginable, rather than using this time as an opportunity to alter our vision of what is important, how students think and learn, how to make it real, valuable and part of an historic context.
the only thing I like about iready is the game, but other than that it is uncontaminated garbage
Yes. iReady is horrible. One of my students did better on the first test than the second test. It made them feel horrible.
I agree totally. Dehumanizing and simply an assessment which teachers are using thinking it’s an instructional tool. In my district it’s become a time-filler and substitutes for a daily math lesson. The workbook aims to teach 4 or 5 ways of doing everything but never lays the basic fact memorizations. You might as well give each student an abacus because they never need to answer with numerals – they just need to draw pictures, arrays and splats. I prefer a simple numeral to a page of 67 dots. I haven’t time to do all that counting!
I am a sixth grade student who was new to the i-ready system. I usually score good, but it was pointless, because I kept learning things that weren’t my grade level. I am a very tolerant person so I never complain, and still am too nervous to. At first I thought I was not smart and lucked out on the gifted and talented test, and I felt even dumber, even though I was acing my math test. Having already low esteem, it added to my constant worry of not being good enough, Till the point where I was up till 12 in the night practicing and practicing, thinking it was stamina building, and I that I was preparing myself for the PSAT and SAT, but no. I was only wasting my time. And my school either threatens us with lowering our grades for not doing it, or they try to bribe us to do it with prizes. In my other school they blatantly said that we had to do dreambox because they paid for it. I love IXL better than this i-ready crap. A computer can simply not be as complex as the human brain. Sure a computer can calculate something faster than the human mind, but who designed it do that? Humans. But no software can actually match up to the millions of neurons that make up the complexity of the human brain. I-ready is a waste of time, and it destroys a person’s tolerable nature. It subjects a student to the torment of listening to cheesy characters and made up dialogue, along with it’s grotesque and idiotic portrayal of what kids think is cool. The characters’ way of talking and everything in there is just annoying and it drives me up the wall. But I can only complain, because I’ve been told millions of times, that I am but a wee little child who has no right for opinions and doesn’t have life. And I just wish someone could just change things, because ranting on the internet blows of steam, but it won’t make the problem go away. And if I don’t do i-ready, I’ll be branded a rebellious shmuck who won’t have a chance of going to even a community college, and I do need to please my teachers and keep a good reputation. So I must keep doing i-ready because my grades count for that ivy league college I want to go to. And in the end I must follow what I don’t want to follow because school officials have power. I don’t. At least I’ll only have to go through this for 6 to 7 more years.
I am in the 5th grade and I am really above grade level in language and math, and I wish that I ready would come to an end. It doesn’t teach me anything, and its annoying to spend so long on these 7th grade lessons, that are just so easy, and if you get less then 67% (which, for me, is mostly because of bugs), you have to start all over again! and it has me working for hours on pointless things that I already knew. Of course, I do want to get into a good college, however all I ready does is anger me. And then I forget to do it and fall behind on I ready. All that does is make me have to do even more work. And on top of all that, my parents think that taking away my video games will help me work more! They already understand how smart I am, yet they still force me to do all this stuff. A time limit is set so that I cannot access my computer after 9:00 PM, so when I finish my stupid I ready crap, its dinner time (7:30 PM). And I am a slow eater, so I only get about half an hour of video games. Seriously though, I just want something other then this I ready crap.
I entirely agree with a lot of these comments,I have had to do I-ready for about 5 years now, and it hasn’t taught me anything at all.it’s really annoying when I have to restart because I got a low percentage.also it’s only teaching students,like me only ONE way to learn the lessons. It’s making us think there is only one correct way to do the problems and sometimes it doesn’t allow us to entirely understand what is happening.even if I listen to everything that is happening I still get the problems wrong.so i-Ready is A WASTE of time
I agree with a lot of these comments. I’m currently having to do I-Ready during school to go along with the lessons. There’s a lot of cheesy puns and boring characters to make it ‘fun’ and ‘exciting.’ I-Ready feels like a waste of time, since you spend HALF AN HOUR on the tutorial. I’m one of the top people in my grade, so with the hilariously boring lessions, and the time spent on it, I feel like I’m actually getting dumber. No offense to the teachers, but you should probably rethink your lessions next time you want to add I-Ready to it..
Blessings, we thank Almighty God for your post of keen divine wisdom, knowledge, & understanding of the subject matter pertaining to this i- ready test as your post indicates is dangerous to these kids mind and soul. What kind of teachers has been put in schools to teach these kids the truth? This (dammed) internet has been designed to corrupt the minds of every child that has and will take the test that the state schools has adopted to glorify their own lust,power, & greed instead of providing adequate training & education for these teachers who are not educated or experienced in subjects matter