This article appeared in the Washington Post on July 21.
LUVERNE, Ala.
Clay Crum opened his Bible to Exodus Chapter 20 and read verse 14 one more time.
“Thou shalt not commit adultery,” it said.
He prayed about what he was going to do. He was the pastor of First Baptist Church in the town of Luverne, Ala., which meant he was the moral leader of a congregation that overwhelmingly supported a president who was an alleged adulterer. For the past six weeks, Crum had been preaching a series of sermons on the Ten Commandments, and now it was time for number seven.
It was summer, and all over the Bible Belt, support for President Trump was rising among voters who had traditionally proclaimed the importance of Christian character in leaders and warned of the slippery slope of moral compromise. In Crenshaw County, where Luverne is located, Trump had won 72 percent of the vote. Recent national polls showed the president’s approval among white evangelical Christians at a high of 77 percent. One survey indicated that his support among Southern Baptists was even higher, surpassing 80 percent, and these were the people arriving on Sunday morning to hear what their pastor had to say.
By 10:30 a.m., the street alongside First Baptist was full of slant-parked cars, and the 80 percenters were walking across the green lawn in the sun, up the stairs, past the four freshly painted white columns and into the church.
“Good to see you this morning,” Crum said, shaking hands as the regulars took their usual places in the wooden pews, and soon, he walked up to the pulpit and opened his King James.
“Today we’re going to be looking at the Seventh Commandment,” Crum began. “Exodus 20:14, the Seventh Commandment, simply says, ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery.’ ”
The people settled in. There was the sound of hard candy unwrapping and thin pages of Bibles turning.
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Congregants leave the First Baptist Church in Luverne, Ala., after a Sunday service.
Clay Crum, the church’s pastor, delivers a sermon. He felt called to create a weekly series based on each of the Ten Commandments.
A shuttered peanut processing facility sits idle on a country road just north of Luverne, a town of 2,700 residents an hour south of Montgomery. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
The presidency of Donald Trump has created unavoidable moral dilemmas not just for the members of First Baptist in Luverne but for a distinct subset of Christians who are overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly evangelical and more uniformly pro-Trump than any other part of the American electorate.
In poll after poll, they have said that Trump has kept his promises to appoint conservative Supreme Court justices, fight for religious liberty, adopt pro-life policies and deliver on other issues that are high priorities for them.
At the same time, many have acknowledged the awkwardness of being both self-proclaimed followers of Jesus and the No. 1 champions of a president whose character has been defined not just by alleged infidelity but accusations of sexual harassment, advancing conspiracy theories popular with white supremacists, using language that swaths of Americans find racist, routinely spreading falsehoods and an array of casual cruelties and immoderate behaviors that amount to a roll call of the seven deadly sins.
The predicament has led to all kinds of reactions within the evangelical community, from a gathering of pastors in Illinois described as a “call to self-reflection,” to prayer meetings with Trump in Washington, to hours of cable news reckoning in which Southern Baptists have taken the lead.
The megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress has declared that Trump is “on the right side of God” and that “evangelicals know they are not compromising their beliefs in order to support this great president.” Franklin Graham, son of the evangelist Billy Graham, said the only explanation for Trump being in the White House was that “God put him there.”
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A few leaders have publicly dissented from such views, aware of the Southern Baptist history of whiffing on the big moral questions of the day — such as during the civil rights era, when most pastors either defended segregation or remained silent. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s ethics commission, Russell Moore, asked whether Christians were “really ready to trade unity with our black and brown brothers and sisters for this angry politician?” One prominent black pastor, Lawrence Ware, left the denomination altogether, writing that the widespread reluctance to criticize Trump on racial issues revealed a “deep commitment to white supremacy.” The new president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greear, said church culture had “grown too comfortable with power and the dangers that power brings.”
But all those discussions were taking place far from the rank-and-file. The Southern Baptists who filled the pews every Sunday were making their own moral calculations about Trump in the privacy of a thousand church sanctuaries in cities and towns such as Luverne, population 2,700, an hour south of the state capital of Montgomery.
It was a place where it was hard to drive a mile in any direction without passing some church or sign about the wages of sin, where conversations about politics happened in nodding circles before Sunday school, or at the Chicken Shack after, and few people paid attention to some national Southern Baptist leader.
What mattered in Luverne was the redbrick church with the tall white steeple that hovered over the tidy green lawns and gardens of town. First Baptist was situated along Luverne’s main street, next to the post office and across from the county courthouse, a civic position that had always conferred on its pastors a moral authority now vested in Clay Crum.
“A fine Christian man,” was how the mayor referred to him.
“He just makes everybody feel like he loves ’em,” said a member of First Baptist.
And the members of First Baptist loved their pastor back. They had hired him in July 2015, a month after Trump began campaigning for president and courting evangelicals by declaring that Christianity is “under siege” and “the Bible is the best.” A church committee had sifted through dozens of résumés from Florida and Missouri and as far away as Michigan and out of all of them they had picked Crum, a former truck driver from right down the road in Georgiana.
“As Southern Baptists in this small town, we want our leader to believe like we do,” said Terry Drew, who had chaired the search committee, and three years later, Crum was meeting their highest expectations of what a good Southern Baptist pastor should be.
He kept up with the prayer list. He did all his visits, the nursing homes and the shut-ins. He wore a lapel pin in the shape of two tiny baby feet as a reminder of what he saw as the pure evil of abortion. And when Sunday morning came, he delivered his sermons straight out of an open Bible, no notes, and it wasn’t unusual for him to cry.
“He is just really sincere,” said Jewell Killough, who had been a member of First Baptist for four decades, and as Crum stood at the front of the congregation now and looked out, hers was one of the faces looking back.
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After a service, children unleash their exuberance while Crum acknowledges a member of his church.
Terry Drew, a deacon at the church, has struggled with his assessment of President Trump’s morality. “We don’t like it,” he said, “but we look at the alternative, and think it could be worse than this.”
She always sat in the center row, fifth pew from the front, right in line with the pulpit. Jewell Killough was 82, and as Crum had gone through the first six commandments Sunday after Sunday, she had not yet heard anything to dissuade her from believing that Trump was being used by God to save America.
“Oh, I feel like the Lord heard our prayers and gave us a second chance before the end times,” she had said a few days before, when she was working at the food pantry of the Alabama Crenshaw Baptist Association.
It was a low-brick house where the Baptists kept stacks of pamphlets about abstaining from premarital sex, alcohol, smoking and other behaviors they felt corrupted Christian character, which was not something Jewell worried about with Trump.
“I think they are trying to frame him,” she said, referring to the unflattering stories about the president.
By “they,” she meant liberals and others she believed were not only trying to undermine Trump’s agenda, but God’s agenda for America, which she believed was engaged in a great spiritual contest between good and evil, God and Satan, the saved and the unsaved, for whom God had prepared two places.
There was Heaven: “Most say it’s gonna be 15,000 miles wide and that high,” Jewell said. “We don’t know whether when it comes down how far it will come, if it’s gonna come all the way or if there will be stairs. We don’t know that. But it’s gonna be suitable to each person. You know that old song, ‘Lord, build me a cabin in the corner of Gloryland?’ See, that’s not right. It’s not gonna be you have a cabin over here and I have one over there. It’s gonna be suitable to each person. So, whatever makes me happy. I like birds. So outside my window, there will be birds.”
And there was Hell: “Each person is gonna be on an islandlike place, and fire all around it. And they’re gonna be in complete darkness, and over time, your eyes will go. And worms’ll eat on you. It’s a terrible place, the way the Bible describes it.”
It was a binary world, not just for Jewell Killough but for everyone sitting inside the sanctuary of First Baptist Church, who prayed all the time about how to navigate it.
There were Brett and Misty Green, who sat a few rows behind Jewell, and said that besides reading the Bible or listening to Pastor Crum, prayer was the only way to sort out what was godly and what was satanic.
“Satan is the master magician,” said Misty, 32, a federal court worker.
“The father of lies,” said Brett, 33, a land surveyor, who was sitting with his wife and his Bible one evening in the church’s fellowship hall, a large beige room with accordion partitions that separated the men’s and ladies’ Sunday school classes.
“That’s why we have the Holy Spirit,” Brett said, explaining it was “like a gut feeling” that told him what to do in morally confusing situations, which had included the election, when the spirit had told him to vote for Trump, even though something the president allegedly said since then had given Brett pause. It was when Trump was discussing immigration, and reportedly asked, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries coming here?”
“Jesus Christ was born in Nazareth, and Nazareth was a shithole at that time,” Brett said. “Someone might say, ‘How could anything good come out of a place like that?’ Well, Jesus came out of a place like that.”
Other things bothered Misty. Crum had preached a few Sundays before about the Third Commandment — “Thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain” — but as Misty saw it, Trump belittled God and all of God’s creation when he called people names like “loser” and “stupid.”
“A lot of his actions I don’t agree with,” Misty said. “But we are not to judge.”
What a good Christian was supposed to do was pray for God to work on Trump, who was after all pro-life, and pro-Israel, and pro-all the positions they felt a Christian nation should be taking. And if they were somehow wrong about Trump, said Misty, “in the end it doesn’t really matter.”
“A true Christian doesn’t have to worry about that,” said Brett, explaining what any good Southern Baptist heard at church every Sunday, which was that Jesus had died on the cross to wash away their sins, defeat death and provide them with eternal life in heaven.
“I think about it all the time, what it’s gonna be like,” she said.
“I know we’ll have new bodies,” said Brett. “We’ll be like Christ, it says.”
There was Jack Jones, who sat behind the pulpit in the choir, and was chairman of the deacons, the church leaders who tried to set a Christian example by mowing lawns for the homebound, building front door ramps for the elderly and maintaining standards in their own ranks.
“We stick strictly to the Bible that a divorced man is not able to be a deacon,” said Jack, who said it was uncomfortable being such a Bible stickler and supporting a president alleged to have committed adultery with a porn star.
“It’s difficult, that’s for sure,” he said, sitting with his wife in the church basement.
The way he and Linda had come to think of it, Trump was no worse than a long list of other American presidents from the Founding Fathers on.
“George Washington had a mistress,” Linda said. “Thomas Jefferson did, too. Roosevelt had a mistress with him when he died. Eisenhower. Kennedy.”
“None of ’em are lily white,” said Jack.
What was important was not the character of the president but his positions, they said, and one mattered more than all the others.
“Abortion,” said Linda, whose eyes teared up when she talked about it.
Trump was against it. It didn’t matter that two decades ago he had declared himself to be “very pro-choice.” He was now saying “every life totally matters,” appointing antiabortion judges and adopting so many antiabortion policies that one group called him “the most pro-life president in history.”
It was the one political issue on which First Baptist had taken a stand, a sin one member described as “straight from the pits of Hell,” and which Crum had called out when he preached on “Thou shalt not kill” the Sunday before, reminding the congregation about the meaning of his tiny lapel pin. “It’s the size of a baby’s feet at ten weeks,” he had said.
There was Terry Drew, who sat in the seventh pew on the left side, who knew and agreed with Trump’s position, and knew that supporting him involved a blatant moral compromise.
“I hate it,” he said. “My wife and I talk about it all the time. We rationalize the immoral things away. We don’t like it, but we look at the alternative, and think it could be worse than this.”
The only way to understand how a Christian like him could support a man who boasted about grabbing women’s crotches, Terry said, was to understand how he felt about the person Trump was still constantly bringing up in his speeches and who loomed large in Terry’s thoughts: Hillary Clinton, whom Terry saw as “sinister” and “evil” and “I’d say, of Satan.”
“She hates me,” Terry said, sitting in Crum’s office one day. “She has contempt for people like me, and Clay, and people who love God and believe in the Second Amendment. I think if she had her way it would be a dangerous country for the likes of me.”
As he saw it, there was the issue of Trump’s character, and there was the issue of Terry’s own extinction, and the choice was clear.
“He’s going to stick to me,” Terry said.
So many members of First Baptist saw it that way.
There was Jan Carter, who sat in the 10th pew center, who said that supporting Trump was the only moral thing to do.
“You can say righteously I do not support him because of his moral character but you are washing your hands of what is happening in this country,” she said, explaining that in her view America was slipping toward “a civil war on our shores.”
There was her friend Suzette, who sat in the fifth pew on the right side, and who said Trump might be abrasive “but we need abrasive right now.”
And there was Sheila Butler, who sat on the sixth pew on the right side, who said “we’re moving toward the annihilation of Christians.”
She was 67, a Sunday school teacher who said this was the only way to understand how Christians like her supported Trump.
“Obama was acting at the behest of the Islamic nation,” she began one afternoon when she was getting her nails done with her friend Linda. She was referring to allegations that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, not a Christian — allegations that are false. “He carried a Koran and it was not for literary purposes. If you look at it, the number of Christians is decreasing, the number of Muslims has grown. We allowed them to come in.”
“Obama woke a sleeping nation,” said Linda.
“He woke a sleeping Christian nation,” Sheila corrected.
Linda nodded. It wasn’t just Muslims that posed a threat, she said, but all kinds of immigrants coming into the country.
“Unpapered people,” Sheila said, adding that she had seen them in the county emergency room and they got treated before her. “And then the Americans are not served.”
Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”
Welcome the stranger, she said, meant the “legal immigrant stranger.”
“The Bible says, ‘If you do this to the least of these, you do it to me,’ ” Sheila said, quoting Jesus. “But the least of these are Americans, not the ones crossing the border.”
Sheila Butler teaches a Sunday school class at the church. “I believe God put him there,” she said of the president. “He put a sinner in there.” She also fears the “annihilation of Christians.”
To her, this was a moral threat far greater than any character flaw Trump might have, as was what she called “the racial divide,” which she believed was getting worse. The evidence was all the black people protesting about the police, and all the talk about the legacy of slavery, which Sheila never believed was as bad as people said it was. “Slaves were valued,” she said. “They got housing. They got fed. They got medical care.”
She was suspicious of what she saw as the constant agitation of blacks against whites, the taking down of Confederate memorials and the raising of others, such as the new memorial to the victims of lynching, just up the highway in Montgomery.
“I think they are promoting violence,” Sheila said, thinking about the 800 weathered, steel monoliths hanging from a roof to evoke the lynchings, one for each American county where the violence was carried out, including Crenshaw County, where a man named Jesse Thornton was lynched in 1940 in downtown Luverne.
“How do you think a young black man would feel looking at that?” Linda asked. “Wouldn’t you feel a sickness in your stomach?”
“I think it would only make you have more violent feelings — feelings of revenge,” said Sheila.
It reminded her of a time when she was a girl in Montgomery, when the now-famous civil rights march from Selma was heading to town and her parents, fearing violence, had sent her to the country to stay with relatives.
“It’s almost like we’re going to live that Rosa Parks time again,” she said, referring to the civil rights activist. “It was just a scary time, having lived through it.”
She thought an all-out race war was now in the realm of possibility. And that was where she had feared things were heading, right up until election night, when she and Linda and everyone they knew were praying for God to save them. And God sent them Donald Trump.
“I believe God put him there,” Sheila said. “He put a sinner in there.”
God was using Trump just like he had used the Apostle Paul, she said.
“Paul had murdered Christians and he went on to minister to many, many people,” Sheila said. “I think he’s being molded by God for the role. I think he’s the right man for the right time. It’s about the survival of the Christian nation.”
“We are in mortal danger,” Linda said.
“We are in a religious war,” Sheila said.
Linda nodded.
“We may have to fight and die for our faith,” Sheila said. “I hope it doesn’t come to that, but if it does, we will.”
She rubbed her sore knee, which was caked with an analgesic.
“In heaven, I won’t have any pain,” Sheila said.
“No tears,” said Linda.
“I think it’ll be beautiful — I love plants, and I think it’ll be like walking in a beautiful garden,” said Sheila.
“Have you ever been out at night and looked at the stars?” said Linda. “That’s the floor of heaven, and heaven is going to be so much more beautiful than the floor.”
“I’m going to be in my kitchen,” Sheila said, imagining heaven would have one. “I think it’s going to be beautiful to see all the appliances.”
It was hard to know what a good Christian should do in the meantime, Sheila said, and that was why Clay Crum was so important. He had been inspiring her with sermons all summer, including the Sunday before Memorial Day, when he had everybody stand up and not only pledge allegiance to the American flag but to the Christian flag and the Bible.
“I see Clay as my leader,” Sheila said. “Clay just knows what we need on any given day.”
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Arthur Getz’s 1942 mural “Cotton Field,” commissioned by the U.S. government, is installed at the Luverne post office. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
He had gotten through “Thou shalt not kill” the Sunday before. It was not easy. There were veterans in the congregation. Crum had to explain how God could command people not to kill in one part of the Bible, yet demand a massacre in another.
“God does not want you to kill on your terms, he wants you to kill on his terms,” he had concluded in his sermon. “So let’s promote Jesus in life. Let’s not kill. Unless it’s absolutely necessary.”
Now he sat in his office, where there was a metal cross on the wall and three Bibles on his desk and prayed about what the Lord wanted him to say.
“Thou shalt not commit adultery,” he read again.
“How can I get people to see the whole picture?” he asked himself.
What was the whole picture?
There had been a time before he became a pastor when Crum saw things differently. He saw the pastor of his childhood church stealing money, and as he got older, he saw deacons having affairs, Christians behaving in hateful ways and finally he came to see it all as a big sham.
“I thought it was very hypocritical,” he said. “That they pretend. That it’s all a show.”
He gave up on church. He started drinking some and went a little wild, dabbling in world religions and having his own thoughts about the meaning of life until one day when he was listening to Christian radio on a truck haul. He remembered the preacher talking about salvation and suddenly feeling unsure of his own.
“So I just prayed to the Lord while I was driving,” he said. “I want to be sure.”
The next Sunday, he began attending a Southern Baptist church near Luverne, where he was asked one Wednesday night to step in for the absent pastor and deliver a prayer.
He had just gotten off work. His back hurt. His feet hurt. He was exhausted and as he began to pray, something came over him. He started crying and begging God to forgive him for his rebellion, and by the end of it, Clay Crum had found a new profession. He felt God was telling him to go into the ministry, and 10 years later, here he was, the pastor of First Baptist church who had gotten to where he could discern the voice of God all the time.
“It’s not an audible voice,” Crum said. “We all have a million thoughts that come in our head every day. You got to know which are from God.”
He was sure that it had been the voice of God that told him to preach on the Ten Commandments. It would be a series on “the seriousness of morality,” Crum decided, because to him, the biggest problem in society was that “people do not want to own the wrong they do.”
“They want to excuse their actions by explaining them away,” he said. “They want to talk generally: ‘I know I’m a sinner.’ Well, what is the sin?”
And it was the same voice of God that had led Crum to vote the same way most of his congregation had voted in one of the most morally confusing elections of his lifetime.
“A crossroads time,” Crum called it.
He did not feel great about voting for Trump, who had called the holy communion wafer “my little cracker,” who had said his “favorite book” was the Bible, that his favorite biblical teaching was “an eye for an eye,” and who had courted evangelical Christians by saying, “I love them. They love me.”
“It’s a hard thing to reconcile,” Crum said. “I really do struggle with it.”
He knew what the Bible had to say about Trump’s behavior.
“You’re committing adultery, that’s sinful. You’re being sexually abusive to women, that’s wrong. Any of those things. You can go on and on,” Crum said. “All those things are immoral.”
He thought about whether Trump could do anything that might require the moral leader of Luverne to abandon his support, or criticize the president publicly.
“There are times when Christians have to stand up,” said Crum.
The dilemma was that Trump was an immoral person doing what Crum considered to be moral things. The conservative judges. The antiabortion policies. And something else even more important to a small Southern Baptist congregation worried about their own annihilation.
“It encouraged them that we do still have some political power in this country,” said Crum.
When he prayed about it, that was what the voice of God had told him. The voice reminded Crum that God always had a hand in elections. The voice told him that God used all kinds of people to do his will.
“Nebuchadnezzar,” Crum said, citing the pagan king of Babylon who was advised by godly men to tear down an old corrupt order. “Even sometimes bad leaders are used by God.”
He had wondered at times about the idea that God had chosen Trump, and the opposite, the possibility that God had nothing to do with Trump at all. He wondered about it again now, his Bible bookmarked to the 14th verse of Exodus Chapter 20 for the sermon.
“It’s a hard thing to reconcile,” he said. “I think ultimately God allowed him to become president for reasons we don’t fully know yet.”
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Jacob Smiley, 10, picks up his pace to make a green light as he approaches a crosswalk in downtown Luverne. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
Sunday came, and the followers of Donald Trump took their usual seats in the sanctuary.
“Hey, sugarfoot,” Sheila Butler said to one of her Sunday school ladies.
“Morning,” Crum said, welcoming the regulars.
They settled into the seafoam-green cushions along the wooden pews, some of which also had back cushions to make them more comfortable. They opened old Bibles bookmarked with birthday cards and photos of grandchildren, and after they all sang “I was sinking deep into sin, far from the peaceful shore,” Crum walked up to the podium to deliver the sermon God had told him to deliver.
“What is adultery?” Crum began.
Jewell Killough was listening.
“Adultery, simply stated, is a breach of commitment,” Crum said. “When one person turns their back on a commitment that they made and seeks out something else to fulfill themselves.”
He talked about the dangers of temporary satisfaction, of looking at “anything unclean,” and in the choir behind him, Jack Jones nodded. He talked about other kinds of adultery, such as “hardheartedness” and avoiding personal responsibility.
“See, we don’t want to look at ourselves,” Crum said. “We don’t want to say, ‘I’m part of the problem.’”
Someone in the congregation coughed. Someone unwrapped a caramel candy.
“The purpose of the commandment is so we can see the sin, so we can repent of the sin and then fully experience the complete grace of god,” he said. “But only when we admit it. Only when we repent of it. And only when we return to him by faith.”
He was at the end of his sermon. If he was going to say anything about Trump, or presidents, or politicians, or how having a Christian character was important for the leader of the United States, now was the time. His Bible was open. He was preaching without notes.
He looked out at all the faces of people who felt threatened and despised in a changing America, who thought Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were sent by Satan to destroy them, and that Donald Trump was sent by God to protect them, and who could always count on Clay Crum to remind them of what they all believed to be the true meaning of Jesus Christ — that he died to forgive all of their sins, to save them from death and secure their salvation in a place that was 15,000 miles wide, full of gardens, appliances, and a floor of stars.
Not now, he decided. Not yet. He closed his Bible. He had one last thing to say to them before the sermon was over.
“Let us pray.”
“Amen,” someone in the congregation said.

Note to God: Not funny. CBK
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To err is human, to forgive, divine,
Selective forgiveness, hypocrisy.
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Totally agree!
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Ultimately, we can forgive but replace. It’s like Reagan’s trust but verify. We forgive him personally for adultery and not being an adult, but we must replace him for his gross incompetence and corruption.
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We can forgive. We must replace.
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I guess in the way of the thinking of the Evangelist, if one goes out an commits murder as Trump suggest he could do and get away with it in New York than all can be forgiven. The logic really escape me.
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“Jesus had died on the cross to wash away their sins, defeat death and provide them with eternal life in heaven.”
To me, this thinking is the major flaw of Christianity and why I left the Church when I was 12 and plan to never return. A former friend who’s become one of them in his early 60s, told me once how bad he felt every time he sinned because Jesus was paying the price for my former friend’s sins. That former friend voted for Trump too.
When I was a child, not yet a teen, my godparents both cheated on each other. My Catholic godfather with other women he picked up in bars and my godmother with my father. In both cases, my godparents went to confession and mass every week so they were forgiven … every week for the repeated sins of that week.
The hypocrisy if these Christians are legion.
There are 100 Bible Verses warning of False Prophets.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/false_prophets
There are 10 Bible verses about the crucifixion. Only one of those verses mentions that Christ died for sins. It doesn’t say he died for “our” sins.
“For Christ died for sins once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually (1 Peter 3:18)”
From Bible myth, Christ asked his Father to forgive them for they do not know what they are doing. I don’t think that means Christ meant for God to forgive sinners forever into the future for as long as humans survive as a species. I don’t think Jesus meant to provide a permanent pardon from God for all sins for every human for all time.
What a great life. Born to sin and be forgiven repeatedly. Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Nationalists allegedly think that no matter how horrible the sin, they are already forgiven for: hate, racism, murder, fraud, lies, adultery, child molestation, et al.
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“she and Linda and everyone they knew were praying for God to save them. And God sent them Donald Trump.”
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This is crazy thinking. What is supposed to happen beyond their immediate thoughts of abortion or preservation of life? Do they care about the environment? Do they care about the downgrading of US in the world? Do they care about anything else besides god and hell?
There is no cure for stupidity and this is showing up more and more. I wish we cared about people…the ones who are alive now. What is with people who care about fetuses and then let them die from all sorts of disasters that they don’t care about.
Sorry, this is sickening. Don’t put your beliefs on me. God did not send Trump to save you. God wants people to care about others and feed the poor, and work to get every person respected.
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It’s like they believe in the Divine Right of Kings. Isn’t that what the Revolution fought to get rid of???
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The Bible also says “Thou shalt not kill”, yet every president has done plenty of that and neither side seems to care.
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You’re right. We should have evolved past war, execution and assassination by now. I blame the charter schools.
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The Evangelicals are convenient Christians that made a deal with the devil to overlook Trump’s many transgressions to get control of the Supreme Court for decades. Some of them are so brainwashed they will turn to quoting lines from the Bible to justify their obvious hypocrisy. So many members of team Trump are of this type of hypocrite including DeVos, Pence and Sessions. It is not only Trump’s affairs that are offensive; it is his racism, his endless self promotion and profiteering as well as his corrupt relationship with Russia that should cause all of us to have concerns.
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Christian Zionists don’t care about Trump’s adultery, nor his ignoring of Jesus’ compassionate teachings such as the Sermon on the Mount, which they also ignore.
They see Trump’s anti-abortion appointments on the Supreme Court and his moving the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem as much more important. To them, Trump’s zealous support for Israel is the road to the End Times, because they put more stock in the Book of Revelations/The Apocalypse than in Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels.
They cannot wait to get their after-death heavenly reward while the rest of us non-believers, including Muslims and unconverted Jews, all burn in hell for eternity.
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Liberals forgave Bill Clinton’s extramarital shenanigans. At least 14 (fourteen) presidents have proven extra-marital affairs. Sexual fidelity is not prerequisite to the oval office.
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The post was not about Trump’s multiple adulteries but about evangelicals indifference to his lack of any moral core.
Do you think he is a good role model for children?
I have four grandchildren and I am embarrassed that this vile man is president. I don’t have enough words to express my contempt for his ignorance, his crudeness, his racism, and utter absence of morality or ethics.
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I have no use for this president. He is an embarrassment . We have a whole string or presidents who were less than honorable. Nixon, James Buchanan, Ulysses Grant. Kennedy , etc. None of these men were good role models for children. At least 14 presidents had proven extramarital affairs. Forgiveness comes to those who ask for it, I guess. I am not the one to cast the first stone.
I support some (not all) of the policies of our current president. My personal feelings for the man is that I hold him beneath contempt.
This is a government of laws, and not a government of men.
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Ulysses Grant was the leader of Union forces in the Civil War and wrote one of the greatest autobiographies of our history. What has Trump done ever in his life? He was a draft dodger. He writes tweets. Kennedy inspired a generation of young people to enter public service. He was brilliant, witty, and eloquent. Trump is a demagogue. Be careful whom you insult and compare to the Orange Clown.
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I was in the Peace Corps in the Malaysian state of Borneo in 1967-68. The Peace Corps was only a few years old at that point.
As you say, “What has Trump done?”
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Newly elected President John F. Kennedy issues an executive order establishing the Peace Corps. It proved to be one of the most innovative and highly publicized Cold War programs set up by the United States.
During the course of his campaign for the presidency in 1960, Kennedy floated the idea that a new “army” should be created by the United States. This force would be made up of civilians who would volunteer their time and skills to travel to underdeveloped nations to assist them in any way they could.
To fulfill this plan, Kennedy issued an executive order on March 1, 1961 establishing the Peace Corps as a trial program. Kennedy sent a message to Congress asking for its support and made clear the significance of underdeveloped nations to the United States. The people of these nations were “struggling for economic and social progress.” “Our own freedom,” Kennedy continued, “and the future of freedom around the world, depend, in a very real sense, on their ability to build growing and independent nations where men can live in dignity, liberated from the bonds of hunger, ignorance, and poverty.” Many in Congress, and the U.S. public, were skeptical about the program’s costs and the effectiveness of American aid to what were perceived to be “backward” nations, but Kennedy’s warning about the dangers in the underdeveloped world could not be ignored. Revolutions were breaking out around the globe and many of these conflicts—such as in Laos, the Congo, and elsewhere—were in danger of becoming Cold War battlefields. Several months later, Congress voted to make the Corps permanent.
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Grant was a brilliant military leader. His presidential administration was rife with corruption. Have you not heard of the Whiskey Ring, Black Friday, and Credit Mobilier? see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_administration_scandals
And John F. Kennedy held naked swimming parties in the White House Pool. His sexual affair with Judith Campbell Exner is well documented. He had an affair with Inga Arvad, a purported Nazi spy, while he was working in Naval Intelligence during WW2. see
https://allthatsinteresting.com/inga-arvad
Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky?
I do not excuse the current president, his conduct is disgusting.
All I am saying is he isn’t the first and he isn’t going to be the last.
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The corruption in the Trump administration makes the corruption in the Grant administration look like small potatoes. Grant was a war hero. Trump was a draft dodger. Five times.
I am not aware of any corruption or scandals during the administration of Kennedy or Obama. Are you?
While Clinton became involved in sordid sex scandals, was anyone in the Clinton administration accused of selling out the public interest on the scale of Scott Pruitt, Ryan Zinke, TOM Price, Betsy DeVos, Donald Trump, Ben Carson…?
Remember when Republicans were the party of fiscal austerity? The tax cuts add $1.5 Trillion to the deficit. Clinton wiped out the deficit and gave George W. Bush a balanced budget. Then Bush started a perpetual war in 2003, the longest war in our history. Deficits as far as the eye can see.
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I certainly don’t. I think that Clinton abused his power and is a skeevy man. I haven’t let anyone off the hook for adultery.
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Skeevy is a new word for me. I see potential in it for Scrabble.
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The point – Charles – is that these conservative “Christians” loathed Bill Clinton for his antics with Monica Lewinsky, but they are willing to turn a blind eye to Trump’s greed, corruption, rampant lying, and sexual affairs.
There’s a term for that.
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As long as Trump puts rightwing zealots on the bench, the evangelicals will ignore Trump’s character, behavior, lying, etc. It’s all about power, not godliness.
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A lot of his actions I don’t agree with,” Misty said. “But we are not to judge.”
Misty sums up why thinking about Trump’s actions is not necessary…for her.
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“’Obama was acting at the behest of the Islamic nation…’”
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“It wasn’t just Muslims that posed a threat, she said, but all kinds of immigrants coming into the country.”
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“She was suspicious of what she saw as the constant agitation of blacks against whites, the taking down of Confederate memorials and the raising of others, such as the new memorial to the victims of lynching, just up the highway in Montgomery.”
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“’It’s almost like we’re going to live that Rosa Parks time again,’ she said, referring to the civil rights activist. ‘It was just a scary time, having lived through it.’
“She thought an all-out race war was now in the realm of possibility.”
All this brings to mind a line from the recent TV series, “Legion”:
“What’s more terrifying: fear, or the frightened?”
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This woman and so many like her are addicted to the false comfort of the fear and lies manufactured to control and manipulate them. They imagine a halcyon past, one that never existed, where things were simple and easy to grasp, where everything conformed to the intellectually lazy false binaries that upheld the unjust, irrational power of the dominant group over all others. That false cultural memory has been used by those in power to manufacture their desired Hegelian Dialectic, create a problem and then be the one who supplies the “cure” for the problem. Addicts are always fully beholden to whoever feeds their addiction, especially when the addicts are convinced by the pushers that the addiction is a virtue.
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Agree wholeheartedly. Hence, the blind fear that overrides all reason or human considerations; pure mob mentality.
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This is from December 2017 as Trump was visiting Jerusalem. This is the downright truth why these people love Trump.
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The Bible is 99% about abortion and homosexuality, right?
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There’s also a passage in the Bible that allows parents to eat their own children during a seige. The Reasoning: if they die from starvation, they can’t have any more children so go ahead and eat the ones you already have so you live to have more.
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Makes sense.
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lol. Very funny, Ponderosa
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The self-congratulatory “blessed” feel badly when they think others perceive them to be stupid (and, ill-informed). They could fix the problem
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Ha!
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What do the evangelicals think about CHILD TRAFFICKING?
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That is a good question. So I did a little Googling and found a few responses.
“One of the most extraordinary things about our current politics—really, one of the most extraordinary developments of recent political history—is the loyal adherence of religious conservatives to Donald Trump. The president won four-fifths of the votes of white evangelical Christians. This was a higher level of support than either Ronald Reagon or George W. Bush, an outspoken evangelical himself, ever received.” …
According to Jerry Falwell Jr., evangelicals have “found their dream president,” which says something about the current quality of evangelical dreams. …
These are religious leaders who have spent their entire adult lives bemoaning cultural and moral decay. Yet they publicly backed a candidate who was repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct, including with a 14-year-old girl. …
“As the prominent evangelical pastor Tim Keller—who is not a Trump loyalist—recently wrote in The New Yorker, “ ‘Evangelical’ used to denote people who claimed the high moral ground; now, in popular usage, the word is nearly synonymous with ‘hypocrite.’ ”
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-last-temptation/554066/
Then I opened this link: “5 virtuous figures caught pants down”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/06/24/mf.virtuous.figures.cheat/
“Sex outside of marriage can be holy, according to this Christian minister”
“That’s the message of ‘Good Christian Sex: Why Chastity Isn’t the Only Option–And Other Things the Bible Says about Sex’, a new book by Bromleigh McCleneghan, an associate pastor at Union Church outside of Chicago. The book is McCleneghan’s attempt to free Christians from shame about having premarital or extramarital sex.”
https://religionnews.com/2016/07/21/sex-outside-of-marriage-can-be-holy-according-to-this-minister/
“I can only assume that the organization [of Biblical Manhood and Womanhood] tacitly condones rape, stoning women, prostitution. To take your own personal hang-ups and piety and say ‘that’s Biblical’ reveals your own ignorance of the text.”
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/31/16226088/evangelical-leaders-signed-sexuality-church-nashville-statement
“The Handmaid’s Tale’ Wants Us to Heed the Threat of ‘Fundamentalism’ ”
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/may-web-only/handmaids-tale-wants-us-to-heed-threat-of-fundamentalism.html
And last but not least:
” As one prominent pastor writes in a new book, ‘Every time someone views pornography … they’re contributing to a cycle of sex slavery.'” …
“Justin Dillon, a Christian filmmaker who directed a 2008 “rockumentary” about trafficking and spoke about the cause at the Passion conference in 2012, has another explanation for why sex trafficking in particular may have caught on as a Christian issue. “Christianity is centered around one word: redemption,” Dillon said. “It’s about taking something that’s going down a path of peril—you could say slavery, spiritual slavery—and redeeming it, Christ redeeming it into something free. … It’s not hard for the Christian church to get that idea of freedom.” …
“Once the evangelicals got on board, it became a much more mainstream issue, and less feminist. You had innocent victims, and you had evildoers, and it wasn’t as much about patriarchy.” …
“The strategy of “rescuing” supposed slaves has also been criticized as paternalist, moralist, and ineffective.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/faithbased/2015/03/christians_and_sex_trafficking_how_evangelicals_made_it_a_cause_celebre.html
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Ponderosa says: “Makes sense.” Thanks for the LOL. CBK
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These so-called “Christians” are some seriously dumb and scary people.
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democracy” The few evangelicals that I know seem to think they **don’t have to think about anything in any depth because God loves them. CBK
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Catherine King: My brother knows that god controls the weather so there is no need to worry about climate change. Obama was the anti-Christ who was going to destroy the US.[I gave up emailing politics with him when I found out any of my responses were met with even more grizzly tales.] Obama’s FEMA camps were murdering people. I know that George W. wasn’t conservative enough for him. I don’t dare ask about Trump.
My aunt spends hours each day reading the bible. I was at her place one evening when she had a meeting of like thinkers. We spent two hours discussing how the devil tricks people. He hides behind trees to get people who don’t believe in Jesus.
There is no way to get through to them. [My aunt said she doesn’t know much about politics but George W was her favorite president because god was telling him what to do. I have no idea what she thinks of Trump. I don’t dare ask.]
Both my brother and aunt know that Jesus is coming soon and that only his believers will be saved. My brother is very worried about me since I don’t read the bible and memorize passages from it. …and he told me that liberals kill people. Pope Francis is in league with Satan and the leader of the United Nations is working to have a new world order with the devil in charge of the world.
I have no idea whether or not this is Evangelical thinking. I do know that it is my family. They live in a different state from me.
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Carolmalaysia, I am one of eight children. Two of my siblings have died. Of the remains five, two voted for He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. One of them is dependent on government programs that Republicans want to cut or eliminate. There is no accounting for stupidity.
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carolmalaysia I sympathize. That kind of thinking is “locked up” tighter than tick. Among other things, it’s an excuse for abandoning their own thinking processes. “The truth shall set you free,” but truth is difficult to get at–it’s often hard-won and takes thought and collaboration–but it’s truth that has taken the biggest hit. CBK
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Carol
Your description is accurate for the people I know who are evangelical. They won’t contemplate how to stop the Arnold attacks on their pensions, instead dumping the problem at God’s feet. Republicans are adept at manipulation which they achieve by co-opting pastors who then control and dupe their parishioners.
What is worse is the intellectual prostitutes who rob the unthinking of quality education and don’t even give solace to those they exploited for their masters.
The Irish, after the potato famine, had an America to escape to.
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People who work for Trump are speaking out. I’m sure his loyal followers will say that he is ‘just like them’. Who’d want to be like that?
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Omarosa Manigault Newman releases purported recording of her White House firing
Stephanie McCrummen, The Washington Post
WASHINGTON – Omarosa Manigault Newman, the fired White House aide seeking publicity for her new memoir about her time in the Trump administration, said in an interview Sunday that the way Chief of Staff John Kelly dismissed her involved a “threat” and played an audio recording of Kelly that she said she made in the Situation Room.
The recording was played on NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” where Manigault Newman was interviewed by Chuck Todd.
In the purported recording, which would constitute a serious breach of White House security, Kelly is heard complaining about her “significant integrity issues” and saying that he wants to make her departure “friendly” and without “any difficulty in the future relative to your reputation.”
The Washington Post reported Friday that after being fired, Manigault Newman declined a $15,000-a-month job offer from President Donald Trump’s campaign, which came with a nondisclosure agreement stating that she could not make disparaging comments about the campaign, Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, their families, any Trump or Pence family company or asset, and that the agreement would survive even if her contract expired, was canceled or she was fired. The Post obtained copies of what Manigault Newman said was the job offer and the companion agreement.
In her interview with Todd, Manigault Newman said she considered the offer an attempt to buy her silence….
https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Omarosa-Manigault-Newman-releases-purported-13150228.php?utm_campaign=email-desktop&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social
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“Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”
These people!e missed the footnote:
“Americans” includes everyone living in the Americas (North, Central and South)
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SDP: “Love thy neighbor, she said, meant “love thy American neighbor.”
These people!e missed the footnote:
“Americans” includes everyone living in the Americas (North, Central and South)
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My feeling of ‘neighbor’ is even broader than that. I believe that our neighbors include people all over the world. If we loved and cared about them we would work to make their lives better and stop the blasted killing that our military loves to do. Putting our huge military budget into helping people, domestic and overseas, is truly caring about our ‘neighbors’. We are all equal and need to be respected.
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I agree.
I was just pointing out the fact that when these people say American, they don’t even realize that that includes all of the people of the Americas, including the very ones they would build a wall to keep out.
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“Love thy neighbor”
Love thy neighbor
IF he’s white
God the savior
Says it’s right
God helps those
Who help themselves
Step on toes
To reach the shelves
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Another gem!
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I read this blog everyday. I agree with most of the comments and others I do not.
The point I want to make is that if everyone on this blog and other like blogs that do not support Trump would take ten people with them in November to vote we could out vote the evangelicals, the white suprematist, and other knuckle heads and change the House and Senate putting Trump in a position of non-importance. All this talk is just talk. Do the walk in November. Take ten people with you.
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I don’t agree with all the comments either. We discuss and debate. I have booted out people who became too obnoxious. This is not a public space. I maintain a modicum of civility. We even have a few Trump fans, though I don’t know why as I have made my contempt for him clear.
Yes, let’s vote out those who are too timid to stand up for a better future, those who crumble when confronted with bigotry.
Only about two dozen white nationalists showed up for their big rally in DC yesterday. Those snowflakes melted.
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moeone2015 Good idea. However, I know three people who won’t register to vote because they don’t want to be called for jury duty. I can tell them that they cannot hold that position and then complain about the cost of health insurance of the trickle-up economy, etc., but then they just get mad. Sigh . . . CBK
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State Republican politicians know that the jury tie-in discourages Dem. voting. Rich Republicans don’t have to worry about missing work. Many states register people to vote when they get their drivers’ licenses, which is consistent with an authentic republic of the people, unlike Ohio’s sham.
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Wow, there is a lot of racism in that Evangelical movement that supports Trump.
I think when you peel back the layers, the racism is one of his most attractive traits to them.
I believe there are other people who identify themselves as evangelical Christians who understand exactly how corrupt and dangerous Trump is. They may want abortion outlawed like Trump, but they also understand that Trump is a dangerous and corrupt man.
But those Evangelicals interviewed above speak like the people who Trump claimed would be okay with him killing someone on Fifth Avenue.
If you substituted Hitler for Trump in every quote above, it’s easy to imagine what Germans were saying in Nazi Germany. After all, Hitler was in power so that means that Jesus put him there, just like he put Trump in power. Once that is your guiding mantra, everything can be excused.
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John Kasich thinks he’s directed by God. A few years ago, his attempt to harm workers with his Koch-inspired legislation proved that the people don’t think God is sending him messages. But, I presume the fact that he married rich makes him think God is looking out for him.
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George W. Bush also believed God was directing him.
If God was indeed directing Bush, we should all be very frightened.
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Reagan had a court astrologer. Jacques Chirac, the former French president, writes in his autobiography about George Bush, Jr., explaining to him on the telephone that Saddam Hussein was the Gog (or Magog, I don’t remember) described in the Book of Revelations and so had to be eliminated. Craziness in the highest office. I thought we had seen the worst of this, but then, Donald Trump took insanity in office to heights never seen, here, before.
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Bob Shepherd: Many professionals in the medical field have also stated that Trump is mentally impaired. Here is one more who has experienced him in person who says he is in decline. It seems that people close to Trump do turn on him.
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‘Trump Couldn’t Remember Basic Words’: Omarosa Explains Exactly Why She Thinks the President has a ‘Mental Impairment’ @alternet
…She added: “I’m not a doctor. I can only assess the Donald Trump that I knew in 2003 and the Donald Trump that I knew in 2017. And he is not the same man. In the morning he would say one thing, by the afternoon, he was contradicting himself. And he wouldn’t remember that he was contradicting himself.
She also pointed out that Trump recently encouraged Republicans to pass an immigration bill, and then shortly thereafter, he claimed he never wanted them to pass the legislation.
“I don’t believe that that’s just him lying,” she said. “I really do believe that he has some sort of mental impairment and decline.”…
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trump-couldnt-remember-basic-words-omarosa-explains-exactly-why-she-thinks#.W3L7TY7egIY.gmail
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I feel sorry for this teacher. She was doing a good job but her same sex marriage can’t be tolerated by the Catholic school. I keep wondering how long prejudice and hatred can live in our society.
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Roncalli High School can legally fire counselor over same-sex marriage, expert says
Holly V. Hays and Vic Ryckaert, Indianapolis StarPublished 7:52 a.m. ET Aug. 13, 2018 | Updated 6:47 a.m. ET Aug. 14, 2018
Shelly Fitzgerald, who has worked at the school for 15 years, is on paid administrative leave after school officials recently found out that she married a woman in 2014. The school said in a Facebook post Sunday night that employees must support the teachings of the Catholic church, including marriage “between a man and a woman,” and that expectation is clearly defined in employee contracts.
In a Facebook message distributed to some parents, Fitzgerald said school officials said she could resign or dissolve her marriage or risk being fired or not getting her contract renewed.
A number of parents and students spoke out in support of Fitzgerald.
“We can’t bash Roncalli in this situation. Roncalli is not to be blamed for this decision. It’s the Archdiocese,” Junior Madison Aldrich said. “Unfortunately, Roncalli is taking the blame for it. And the name is being trashed and slandered. And that’s not what we want. Roncalli is a special place, and Fitzgerald is a special woman.”…
Check out this story on IndyStar.com: https://indy.st/2P5lbQ0
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“I keep wondering how long prejudice and hatred can live in our society.”
As long as adult haters keep teaching children to hate like they were taught to hate by their adult role models. Growing up and learning to hate others for any reason is a cycle that probably will never end.
If anyone figures out how to break those chains permanently, around the world, no matter how many there are, they should win the Noble Peace Prize … once it works with loads of scientific data monitoring the method working. It would take generations to validate it so the NPP for that one would have to be earned centuries later.
Throughout recorded history (and probably before recorded history), hate has killed more people than any viral epidemic.
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