Gene Nichol, a law professor at the University of North Carolina, patiently explains that none of the “reforms” endorsed by the legislature, like charters and vouchers, will make a difference. The major obstacle causing low educational performance is poverty, not bad teachers or bad schools
He writes:
“The troubling correlation between education and poverty places North Carolina reform efforts in odd posture. For the powers-that-be on Jones Street and in the governor’s office, the obsession to “reform” our education system – through vouchers, charters, endless tests, performance measures and the like – is matched only by an unequaled, defining pledge to ignore and, in operation, actually increase child poverty.
“We’ll use every school reform tool in the arsenal except the one the entire world knows matters most: lifting kids from debilitating hardship. As if a child can learn effectively when she is hungry, sick, ill-clad, unsupported, unchallenged and unprepared.”
He adds:
“The marriage of poverty and educational underperformance should give pause to the many Tar Heels who claim, I can attest, that the only anti-poverty program they support is education. It’s a consoling thought, perhaps.
“But it is literally, quite literally, impossible to secure equal educational opportunity while 26 percent of our children – 41 percent of our children of color – live in torturous poverty.”

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NC-RTTT…..
THE TEST MAKERS…$$$$$$$$$$
THE TEST TAKERS…FFFFFFFFF
THE TEST TEACHERS…FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Gloom-Doom………
Running with the Bulls??? NO
Trampled by the Stampede-YES
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Professor
You are correct. I was venting..not at your remark but at the Theatrical Display of Inhumane treatment of our students and the idea that “One Size will Fit All”…
Completely ignoring the Individual Situation of each and everyone of our students…
Bring the Human Interest back into our educational system….
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“. . . Inhumane treatment. . . ”
“Some Humans ain’t Human”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwYiBdoWHE
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Thanks Duane!!!
Love it!
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Ah, John Prine. Wonderful. Always a delight.
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None of the reforms will work– including delaying CC testing in order to do what Bill Gates continues to pay millions for– CC implementation.
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Some of the deformers are figuring out that when these tests are given, they are going to have a policy supernova on their hands, and so they are regrouping, trying to figure out what to do. They’ve spent 330 million on crappy tests, on an insane boondoggle, and they know it, or some of them do. At least some of them are bright enough to have figured that much out.
Some are probably thinking that delaying the tests will buy time for people to get used to having a Common Core Curriculum Commissariat dictate “standards” to the entire country. Some are coming to recognize that if they give the tests right away, the deform movement is doomed, so they will want to save what they can of their simple-minded fix for a problem that is not one of the real problems faced by K-12 education.
Deform should have died with the abject failure of NCLB. The way to keep the monster alive is to delay the tests.
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It all depends on what we mean by Common Core “working.”
If by that we mean improving the education and life prospects of today’s children, it’s guaranteed to be a colossal failure.
If we mean undermining the public schools and transforming teaching into temporary, semi-skilled labor scripted by Pearson and other vendors , then it may tragically “work,”
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Simple Thoughts….
We are all born with innate qualities that allow us to become the person that we are today…and the persons we can become tomorrow..
We can NOT ignore the individuality of people…humans….
Our emotions…Our feelings…Our creativity…Our thoughts…Our talents…Our need to be a part of this world and to have a purpose in this life.
This can not be ignored in the world of education…
yet I see the above…… being thrown off the top of whatever they are racing to….
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I think that this post points to the fundamental schizophrenia of the orthodox opinions of posters on this blog.
On the one hand, students should be recognized as individuals with their own talents, desires, abilities, so that what is an appropriate education for one student might well be an innaprtopriate education for another. On the other hand, students should not be allowed to choose a school that most closely fits their individual talents, desires, and abilities and instead be placed in a school based on the street address of their residence.
These two positions seem fundamentally incomparable with each other.
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I think there is no real dichotomy here…the idea of charter schools put forth by Al Shanker way back would have allowed for real choice within the PUBLIC schools, and the charters that opened up and the magnets that were developed then actually did. It’s these for-profit, anti-public education, public school replacing charters that have been allowed to proliferate that actually offer no real choices and no real improvements for the vast majority.
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I see many objections here to choice schools of any sort. The posters argue that choice schools skim, hurting the students left behind. The posters argue that choice schools harm neighborhoods by having students attend different schools. There are no distinctions drawn between for profit charter chains and charter schools founded by teachers frustrated with top down dictates from the district office. It may simply be the nature of online forums, but “some” is invariably turned either into “none” or “all”.
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There is plenty of room for individuality within the public system. My po-dunk public high school in Northern Indiana had honors, vocational and arts programs, various special ed interventions, athletics and other extracurricular activities – something for everyone. There’s really no reason why most schools, with the possible exception of very rural schools (my school was 800 students and covered nearly half the county), couldn’t manage the same.
Except, that is, when you start pulling resources from those schools to offer so-called “school choice” from a variety of poorly regulated “non-profit” and for-profit agencies. Then the public school has no resources to offer much choice (heck, to offer much more than bare-bones education), and so many of these allegedly “choosy” schools don’t really offer choice because a lot of the money seems to mysteriously vanish before it reaches the students. So parents and students are left with less choice than before they had “choice”.
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Does your podunk public school district offer students a Waldorf education, a Montessori education, or progressive education? My school district doesn’t (at 10,000 students, one of the largest dozen school districts in the state), but if you have the money you can go to the private Waldorf school, the private Montessori school, or the private progressive school.
Does your high school have anything approaching the curriculum of a high achieving, qualified admission high school like Thomas Jefferson High in Fairfax County? Is that because there are no students in the high school capable of benefiting from the curriculum or because it is simply too expensive to offer these students the kind of classes that are best for them?
Traditional zoned public schools can not offer more specialized educations because there will not be enough folks in the catchment area that will agree that a Waldorf education is best for their students.
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The problem with that is the “choice” schools are very often no better or may even be worse since a high percentage are run for-profit. The profit motive means that the educational materials and salaries are skimped on. The students only get what the owners are willing to pay for. Higher class sizes, fewer books in the library, fewer field trips and other “frills”. Higher student and staff turnover.
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Perhaps we should increase the regulations on choice schools and only allow them to be not for profit. Most private schools are run as non-profits, and that seems to work fairly well.
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You’re always free to pay for private education, TE. That’s what my husband and I do with our daughters (the po-dunk high school I referred to was the one I graduated from). There is a healthy balance between individualization and common schooling. If you want education to order, why should the taxpayers pay for it?
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I think your post illustrates my point very well. You say “If you want education to order, why should the taxpayers pay for it?” Posters here might respond “We can NOT ignore the individuality of people…humans….Our emotions…Our feelings…Our creativity…Our thoughts…Our talents…Our need to be a part of this world and to have a purpose in this life.”
Or does that only apply to the children of the relatively wealthy?
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TE, Enough already with your never ending diatribes and misinterpretations of people here who support public education.
Stop denigrating legitimate concerns over the privatization of public schools, when privatization masquerading as “school choice” has completely eliminated the “choice” of a neighborhood school in many communities. Chicago is a prime example, where local schools have been shut down and replaced with charters that are virtually unregulated, when there have long been many school choice options within the district. Quit ignoring all the people who support choice within public school systems, such as magnets –which folks have told you DO offer Montessori, etc. in districts like Chicago
Don’t conflate the “choice” of privatized schools outside the realm of regulatory oversight with equity or assume excellence. There are way too many examples to the contrary, as well as an abundance of indicators that the mostly non-educators who promote privatized schools are in it for the money, including in states that do not permit for-profit charters, like IL and NY. 16 CEOs of charter schools in NY are earning $500K per year! http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/funds-drained-article-1.1578760
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Where do I denigrate legitimate concerns of anyone? Where do I assume excellence?
I am just pointing out that the only way to create a rich diversity of educational approaches in our school system is by allowing households to choose among those schools. If the government makes the choice, governments will have to make sure that the choice does not matter because all the schools are pretty much the same.
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“If the government makes the choice, governments will have to make sure that the choice does not matter because all the schools are pretty much the same.”
Except that is not the way it ever was until the private “choice” marketers got in on the game. As people have tried over and over and over to get through your thick head, there have always been plenty of options *within* the public system, including progressive and Montessori options. It’s only now that funding is being pulled from the public system to fund this private so-called “choice” program that the options have been cut back dramatically within the public system, and meanwhile there has been little to no comparable increase in “choice” in the charter system – nearly all charters, especially those serving disadvantaged neighborhoods are on some variation of a drill-and-kill, “no excuses”, test prep factory system.
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There are choices within a public school system, that is why I talk about traditional zoned schools, and point to schools like Thomas Jefferson High School, a public magnet school in Fairfax County.
Those choices are limited, however, because many people question the need for taxpayers to fun educations to order, and think a one size fits most school system is just fine.
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Cripes, TE, it’s not an either/or dichotomy. There can be – and are – plenty of choices within the public system. It is *not* a one-size-fits-all system. (You’re confusing that with the charter system.) OTOH, no, the public system cannot and should not be expected to cater to every family’s individual whims. There is a point at which, if you can’t live with any of the many choices within the public system, yes, you should have to pay for your own private education.
Anyway, I think you really do get it, you’re just choosing to be obtuse, so I’m done for today.
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Dienne,
My posts generally support choice schools, and I take that to include, but is not limited to, magnet schools run by school districts.
How do you distinguish between a family’s “whim” for their students education and a legitimate concern that the student be treated as an individual with unique needs and aspirations? Who, in general, should make this distinction?
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Once again, as you’ve been told numerous times here before, that is YOUR problem with YOUR school district, so take it to YOUR school board. Stop acting as if it’s a national issue when it can and should be addressed locally. It is NOT a problem in my school district, which has been offering families many choices within the school system for decades.
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Again, my comments are speak about traditional zoned schools, not choice schools governed by school districts.
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I rather delight in TE’s posts. He/she makes valid argument. The responses, alas, are all to transparent of (1) union boss mentality, (2) teacher burnout mentality, or (3) elitist snob mentality.
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Non-sequiturs much? Peas in a pod.
And BTW, I have never belonged to a teacher’s union, don’t burn out on what I love, which happens to be children, and the choices in my school system bring educational options seen in elite schools to common people, including Montessori as I previously stated.
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You talk about “school choice” as if no one ever wants the choice of a neighborhood “zoned” school. 49 neighborhood schools were shut down last spring in my city to make way for charter school expansion, despite the protests of thousands of parents who WANT their neighborhood schools, I have never heard you advocate in support of their preferred choice.
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Did you not read the comment above about how 16 CEOs OF NON-PROFIT NY CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE EARNING $500K SALARIES?
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/funds-drained-article-1.1578760
Clearly, the non-profit status does not prevent non-educator entrepreneurs from turning public school dollars into a personal windfall.
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I went to high school in Bloomington, Indiana. We had, in this small town, a conventional high school, an alternative school, a lab school run by the university, and vocational programs–all within a public school framework. I agree, emphatically, that we should seek to expand the options. I would like to see EVERY child have an IEP plan. I would like to see many, many more options for coursework and progressions through school offered. The current deform, which attempts to mill students identically in conformance with a bullet list of standards, does not serve students, who differ, and it does not serve a diverse, pluralistic democracy that needs adults whose differing propensities, talents, etc., have been nurtured. And, of course, our prime directive as educators should be to build upon the innate curiosity and ability to learn that kids bring with them to school to turn them into self-motivated, life-long, independent learners. One doesn’t do that by cramming a lot of identical test prep down every kid.
The education deform model–the factory model based on extrinsic reward–is backward, nineteenth-century one. The troglodytes pushing it need to be rooted out of K-12 education, and teachers, administrators, and teachers’ unions need to stand up to the technocratic philistinism that has triumphed, recently, over the humanistic goal of achieving unique, individual potentials.
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You cannot honestly say, TE, that you cannot imagine ways to expand choice within a public school framework.
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I think there are ways to expand choice within public education, though not without losing the traditional all and only admission system of zoned school systems. I am also concerned that many folks will not think taxpayers should pay for the “whims” that parents have in educating their children.
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As a parting gift of corporate “reform”, Bloomberg made sure there’s no such thing as “the traditional all and only admission system of zoned school systems” for high school students in NYC, and parents are up in arms about it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/city-plans-guarantee-local-high-school-slots-article-1.1464295
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TE: the issue is exclusivity. When tax payers pay for it, should it be exclusive?
Universities can be, and they are subsidized by tax payers. But the issues come up in K–12 when a public school (as charter) is allowed to turn away a child.
I attribute what you call “schizophrenia” more to a complex situation for which we still do not really seem to have answers that quiet the chatter. I think most know what they don’t like more than they know what they like in response to the questions of public education.
But exclusivity towards children does not seem right.
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All schools exclude, they just use different criteria. Traditional zoned schools use residential address to exclude students. Qualified admission magnet schools like Thomas Jefferson High use exams. Charter schools in New York use a lottery system.
Which method of exclusion do you prefer?
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Unlike K-12 public education, which is open to all and paid for by taxes, students must pay tuition and fees to attend public universities.
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Here’s a simple solution: let every parent have the choice mentioned occasionally by the owner of this blog—
a well-resourced public school that can “compete” on even terms with charters and vouchers.
Instead of the present situation where public schools and school districts [led by zealous devotees of charters and privatization] are starved of resources, constrained from acting in the best interests of parents, students, staff and communities, and where the charterites/privatizer solutions/alternatives are not a “rising tide” that lifts all boats but a “tsunami” of destruction that exists only to displace disadvantaged public school “competitors.”
A radical idea? Yes, if a “better education for all” is considered a radical idea too.
Just my dos centavitos worth…
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The concern is that one school can not simultaneously be a Waldorf, progressive, Montessori school that offers immersion in French and Chinese along with courses that are usually only offered by universities to their second year students.
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TE writes: “I am also concerned that many folks will not think taxpayers should pay for the “whims” that parents have in educating their children.”
I can think of a few “whims” I would not care to be taxed to pay for, especially if I have also been relieved of my voice in the situation.
Surly there are a few “whims” you would not care to pay for, yes?
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The history of public education in the United States is littered with taxpayers refusing to pay for the “whims” of parents.
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Exactly! ” If we want to reignite innovation and passion we must rehumanize (school) work. When shame becomes a management style, engagement dies. When failure is not an option we can forget about learning, creativity, and innovation.” ~Brene Brown, Daring Greatly
Many failing students come to school with the attitudes their parents have toward school (often negative), the ineptness of their parents, and the health and nutrition issues. They feel ashamed that they are below grade-level, slow, ignorant, tainted, different. They have none or little support from home. On top of these are combined all the other school issues. Inappropriate or curriculum, few resources, overcrowded classrooms, behavior or academic issues, overworked, stressed out teachers and administrators. Little to none support from teachers.
I have 3 blocks of students, 29/1 is my average teacher to student ratio. I teach one EOG core course and 1 MSL course. I barely know my students names much less get to know their learning styles. Grading written material is a herculean feat! Our school system doesn’t even have curriculum materials that are comprehensive or adequate. My classroom book is 13 years old, practically archaic. With a 50 min. block there isn’t even enough time for each student to have a 2 minute discussion on any topic introduced. How much critical thinking and discussion do you think takes place in our classroom? Combined with classroom management issues, IEPs. PEPs, 504s, and all the academically deficiency can really take its toll! How much compassion and cajoling can be expected in this classroom environment? Teach the developmentally inappropriate standards to kids who have been treading the academic waters and year after year are PUSHED through the system barely on academic life-support. Parent contacts, more planning, more tutoring after school, more support material, teaching parents so they can teach their kids. Language barriers can be enormous. These problems are not solved overnight. What can teachers do? I just keep plugging away in spite of the odds; being compassionate, encouraging and teaching with honesty and integrity.
“Students interpret the feedback we give them to decide whether they have a hope of future success, whether the learning is worth the energy it will take to attain it, and whether to keep trying. If students conclude that there is no hope, it doesn’t matter what the adults decide. Learning stops.” Dr. Richard Stiggins, Five Myths and Their Consequences
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Great Post and SO TRUE…
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What I see in the replies to this post is a common desire to make things “fair”. I don’t see any way we can make life “fair”. Life simply is not “fair”.
For decades now consumers have had no choice and public education has been in decline. The idea that there is some magical solution to this is naive.
Certainly poverty is a barrier to success, however, there is no way to completely eliminate poverty without sacrificing all that makes this nation unique and, I think, superior to other nations. A nation that recognizes individual rights is what has lead to the ingenuity and self reliant attitude that keeps this nation excelling despite what PISA scores might report.
We have a common desire to “leave no child behind” and we should continue to fight on many fronts to address the issues that lead to poverty, but how these multi-factorial social issues became the primary responsibility of the dept. of public education I do not understand.
As a parent who has currently 28 consecutive years with a child in the public school system I have witnessed history and attest to the progressive nature in which the dept. of education has penetrated it’s tentacles so deeply into the educational experience of our children that they have become pseudo parents, doctors, psychologists as well as teachers.
I understand the concept of considering the human “holistically” and it can be difficult to separate the educational experience from the entire experience of human need, but I believe this over reaching agenda has contributed to a blurring of educational focus and has been a contributing factor toward the need for a longer school day, longer school year and now an invasive reach into the content of education itself. All of which come with a loss of liberty and choice.
This progressive push has been aided and abetted by parents who desire childcare for their children and teachers unions who have created an environment of relative unaccountable, exclusivity over the teacher’s classroom. This trend toward decreasing parental involvement and access has lead to an attitude of complacency in parents and for a time protected the teacher’s ownership over his/her classroom.
Parents allowed themselves to be edged out of a very intimate and vital component of the democratic process of self government. They, for the most part, have complied with the progressive invasion on their constitutional rights (and responsibilities) and now many are experiencing an awakening of the result of the insidious nature of the progressive agenda.
I understand the moral responsibility of humans in society to provide for the weakest and most vulnerable among us. History has shown that big government diminishes the personal satisfaction of charity, creates an environment of dependency, is generally ineffective and creates a “crisis” of opportunity that leaves the entire society subject to a creeping authoritative tyranny.
The federal government long ago stepped beyond it’s constitutional boundaries without consequence and I fear that this train wreck can no longer be averted.
Ben Franklin was asked when he left the constitutional convention what kind of government they had given the people. He responded “A Republic M’am. If you can keep it”. I appears we could not.
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Bravo. Janine Largent; eloquence, style, impeccably good manners, logic, reason and…charm in summarizing the truly debilitating effects the progressive era has had on public education. While I have claimed poverty is at the root of our educational issues, I firmly believe (likely well-meaning but very mis-guided) government has contributed to that poverty.
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The Professor got it right! If children’s basic needs are not met, how can they move forward?This has Always been my belief!!
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Phyllis
That is what this fight is all about.
They do NOT CARE about the individual student..
Only about Data Collecting and Test Scores..
To H*ll with the Human aspect!
Thank God for this professor but we need 100,000 more just like him to speak for these children!
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See above J. Prine song!
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Quote from the professor
“But it is literally, quite literally, impossible to secure equal educational opportunity while 26 percent of our children – 41 percent of our children of color – live in torturous poverty.”
You speak the Truth….but are they listening to you??
Please continue this fight..
I would also like your thoughts on this “Race to the Top”!!
That sounds like a competition..
We were taught “Hitch your wagon to a Star” or something of the sort…
Education…Learning… extends to infinity and beyond..It does not have a top!!
It is ongoing..lifelong and beyond….
How did they ever get this so called “Catch Phrase-RTTT” that leads to a finite test score..and thus defines the success and/or failure of every human interacting with the Flight to the Top!!!
Am I missing something???….
Now..if I get to their defined Top…what does that mean?? Do I win???
If I refuse to race with the others and go my own pace..Does that mean I fail?
I have a choice
The top and I am done???
The bottomless pit and I am done..???
Racing to Nowhere …or… Falling Forever
I prefer……..
Developing my own innate talents that I have been blessed to have .
Helping those less fortunate to be able to live productive and healthy life…
None of us can sit idly by and watch this MAD RACE leave behind our innocent and poverty stricken children…It is unfair and should be against the law!!
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“. . . every human interacting with the Flight to the Top!!!”
Shouldn’t that be “Fight to the Top” with some, the privileged, bringing nuclear weapons to the fight while others are chained, blindfolded, stripped and told that “we’re all equal at the start of this fight”.
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Yours is better!!!! Thx Duane…LOL
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Exactly.
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I do know that Governor McRory has put together a committee to review Race to the Top.
Neither party has done any favors towards helping education help poverty. It can help; but not without other considerations and not without support.
Holding tax payer money hostage for a contest does not seem right. I think the practice should be challenged with a complaint of the legal kind.
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Well said…
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“Charter schools were supposed to be laboratories for change in public schools, but in Durham County the experiment is spinning out of control.
The county is being flooded with charters to an extent that has undermined the district school system, a system that charters are supposed to improve by providing competition and testing new approaches to instruction.”
We have to stop hiring people who don’t value our existing, local public schools to run our existing, local public schools. They’re not “improving” these schools. They’re destroying them. Now they can watch as the entire state focus becomes opening and closing schools, while the (remaining) public schools are completely abandoned.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/02/01/3582773/charter-schools-press-durhams.html?
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Good to know Info Chiara, Thanks for the link
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You cannot really do the Bloom stuff unless you take care of the Maslow stuff.
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Awesome and intuitive reply! EXACTLY!
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No truer words spoken.
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yes yes yes!!!
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Who’s doing Bloom? Educators did not write the Common Core, so I doubt the “architects” have ever even heard of him, let alone infused Bloom into the CC. Do you see any evidence of that?
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I’m sure that Coleman et al. found an old, dog eared synopsis of Bloom somewhere and thought they were being “innovative.”
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Perfect!!
That’s all folks…!!
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As well intentioned as Nichols is, he misses the core problem of poor performance students.
It may be easy to conclude the reason is “poverty” when he brings up that some are ” hungry, sick, ill-clad, unsupported, unchallenged and unprepared”. But, any teacher today it is not poverty that delivers poor performance.
Nichol, for those who are unaware, is also the director of the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity here in NC, so naturally poverty will always be front and center in is thinking.
But, poor students have had the same disadvantages for decades and I would argue worse. While public education never provided the level of support students receive today.
I believe the reason students are not performing is due to behavior, not poverty. Ask any retired teacher who taught in the Sixties how would they handle problems compared to teacher today.
Today it is much more difficult that it was before the creation of the Dept. of Education.
Nichol used the term “troubling correlation between education and poverty”. I submit there is also a “troubling correlation” between the US DOE and performance.
Teachers who taught in the Sixties did not have the same burdens of today’s teachers.
Yes, class sizes were larger, but the paperwork to adhere to Federal mandates did not exist. Nor were the teachers told to address behavior problems differently when the student is
a minority….as the recent directive from the Justice Dept is instructing.
Nichol view will lead many to believe poverty is the cause of poor performance, but like so many who do not teach in the classrooms today, their argument is based on “theory” not actual evidence they see first hand.
ajbruno14 gmail.com
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Of course, poverty and “behavior” are completely unrelated.
Sigh.
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Bruno–
I would step back even more and say the problem, if we can pinpoint it, is stewardship (or lack thereof). Our culture has a lack of stewardship for resources, for ideas and for people. From that results poverty and those living in it having a lack of decorum, other than survival.
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I’ll quote Ronald Reagan: “Government is not the solution. Government is the problem”
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Thank you Gene Nichol! Speak up America!!!
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“the only anti-poverty program they support is education”
And they don’t really support even that. They put all eggs in the education basket, as if that is the one and only route out of poverty, and then they cut budgets, deny necessary resources and encourage passing off schools to non-educator entrepreneurs who aspire to get rich quick off of tax payer dollars, It’s a scam life-preserver intended to benefit few, not lift all boats.
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With the information that is provided, how can the affect of poverty on students be ignored? Unless this is examined and ways to eliminate poverty, we’ll continue to have this wide division between those students that do well and those that are failing.
It’s time for Duncan and others in positions of power to acknowledge that poverty plays a huge part in how students perform in school.
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I agree! The $3.4 billion that NYC is thinking about paying to teachers as retroactive pay should instead be put to implementing the anti-poverty agenda you lay out in Reign of Error!
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Reblogged this on Saint Simon Common Core Information and commented:
Thoughtful commentary on “education reform” by law professor at UNC.
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This blog is filled with comments by so many teachers who serve inner city, disadvantaged neighborhoods that you would think that public education only served that demographic. The fact is, public education is the educational trough for the entirety of society. I know Arne Duncan doesn’t care a wit about the success stories of public education because that does not serve the directive which is the usurping of democracy and self government. However, public schools have been the foundation for the majority of us commenting here.
Mr. NIchol does not deserve a Nobel prize for stating the obvious. Everyone understands the correlation between poverty and poor academic performance. It is not rocket science, but common sense. Many have argued that the way out of poverty is education and billions of dollars have been spent trying to provide that opportunity. I can say with certainty that in Massachusetts any financially disadvantaged child that wants to will not find a lack of funds the barrier to higher education. Even a lack of HS diploma isn’t a barrier. GED’s, Community Colleges and Pell grants are available to any financially qualifying student. In Washington DC one of the most dismal public educational systems approx. $30,000 per pupil per year is spent to educate and I don’t think I have to recite DC’s poor academic statistics. Clearly cost is not the only barrier for these students.
“Mr. Nichols assumes that “poverty” refers only to a lack of $$$. However, I would surmise we have a poverty of hope and direction in these households that cannot be overcome with simply an infusion of more $$$. Of course, Mr. Nichols offers no solution because the only solution would be to infuse even more money into the same system and expect a different result (the definition of insanity?) or to infringe so drastically on the liberty of everyone else that we would essentially be “liberating” the disadvantaged to a system that imprisons everyone.
Providing opportunity does not mean someone will take advantage of that opportunity. I could say that government programs that create incentives for unwed pregnancy and other irresponsible behavior contribute to the problem, but then that would make me judgmental and prejudiced.
This blog, of course, is one primarily of educators and thus the point of view reflects their objectives, but educators are also citizens who themselves attended public school and whose children and grandchildren attend public school. I appreciate their genuine attempts to serve this undeserved and disenfranchised population and I understand that protecting ones livelihood and “art” are important, but public education serves other populations as well. This crisis is tantamount to “throwing out the baby with the bathwater”. Education is a fundamental human right and the consumers who are engaged ought to have some input into the product they are paying for and that will shape their future and that of their posterity. They need a place at this table as well. Maybe even at the head of the table.
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The ‘poverty doesn’t count’ meme is coming from on high in countries other than the USA too, apparently:
“OECD ‘debunks myth’ that poor will fail at school”: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26015532
This is an analysis of Pisa tests.
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There is not doubt about it!
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Diane: Your hot link in this post leads no where. Unable to access the professor’s writing because the link doesn’t provide access.
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Yes – we’ll said – here’s a great article a friend sent me. You guys are making a difference!
http://tablet.olivesoftware.com/Olive/Tablet/DenverPost/SharedArticle.aspx?href=TDP%2F2014%2F02%2F06&id=Ar01509
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well said not we’ll said – I wish this computer would stop putting words in my mouth!
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What this runs up against is that to many, this smacks of redistribution of wealth, aka socialism. Under this belief system, a policy of helping kids out of poverty is, for a multitude of reasons, a bad idea. It’s a form of freedom which is always “less” and never “more” government. It’s greedy in a certain way.
What I find curious is that the article doesn’t just gloss over this, but doesn’t even register that this attitude is quite common. There’s a glancing reference, in a link, but that’s it. As propaganda, the article fails by not directly addressing that objection. Generally speaking, redistributing wealth to poor is seen almost in eugenics terms, although few would actually state it directly.
It’s a sad state of affairs where helping poor kids is socialism. Or maybe the sad state of affairs is that socialism is a dirty word, I’m not sure.
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