Peter Greene asks how teachers can insist on honesty and evidence when the new president exemplifies the success of their opposites. Please open the link and read the article in full.
He writes:
We are already talking about the worst, ugliest, most misogynistic and racist impulses that will be boosted by Trump’s election. But for all of us in general and teachers in particular, I’m concerned about one other feature that will be super-charged by this administration.
We are now fully entered into a post-truth society. Folks voted for a Trump who doesn’t exist to solve problems that aren’t happening.
Yes, I’m solidly on record arguing that there is no such thing as One Truth, but there are truths that have a basis in reality and evidence, and there are views that are based on nothing but fabrication divorced from reality. There’s point of view, and there’s spin, and then there’s just utter reality-divorced bullshit.
Yes, Democrats made all sorts of mistakes; Bernie Sanders pointing out the failure to reach working class people may be on the mark. But to think Trump is the working man’s friend requires a head stuffed firmly in an alternate reality. Treasonous Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election, and to believe otherwise is to accept a big lie. To think he’s some kind of genius requires a stretch of miles and miles and miles. Trump stole classified documents and tried to weasel out of giving them back. He’s a felon, a man found guilty of sexual assault, a serial grifter, a misogynist, a racist, a man whose character so lacking in character and honor that the notion of him as a Christian champion makes no more sense than the idea of a great dane teaching advanced calculus.
I get that some of his support is transactional, that he is such a weak man that he attracts people who figure he can be used by them for their own gains (e.g. I’d bet that much of his right-wingnut christianist support comes from people who see him as a brick that will open the door for True Believers). It’s a dangerous game, because Trump is in it for Trump, but at least these grifters have a reality-based picture of who Trump is.
But the vast majority of voters appear to have settled for the lies. Exit polls show they decided on issues like the economy, as if Trump’s universally-panned-by-experts plan will “rescue” a post-pandemic economy that is the envy of the rest of the world. They worried about trans athletes (because who wants to live in a country where you can’t harass young trans persons). And they believe in his victimhood, the idea that all these court cases and charges and all the rest are just Democrats “persecuting” the man who has “give up so much for this country.”
Trump voters could overlook his flaws because they were standing atop a mountain of lies.
And one lesson from the campaign is that disinformation works, that alternate facts work. And yes, I understand that this is not exactly news, but given our hyper-powered media and communications world, I think we’ve entered another level. This is a level where folks can decide that consensus reality, facts, standards, science–none of it– requires even lip service.
I worried about this in 2016. Never mind the public examples being set about propriety and basic kindness– how do you teach when the nation’s leaders demonstrate that facts are for suckers. Make up your own and just keep repeating them. And it was bad back then, but it feels so much worse this time. The first Trump administration felt like a trial balloon, a first shot at pushing the limits of anti-factualism. But now they can look back at some of the biggest lies ever pushed on the country and see that not only were there no negative consequences, they have been rewarded for it.
There is no need to even try to be tethered to reality. Just pick what you wish was true, and sell it. It’s an epistemological collapse, a suspension of any need to have a path to knowledge, because there is nothing to know except what you (or dear leader) wants to know.
Also, these are a lot of fancy ways to describe a simple thing– a lie.
In this context, teaching about things like finding text evidence to support an opinion seems quaint. Why discuss whether or not a body of Core Knowledge matters when knowledge itself has been cut loose? Why have reading wars about how to decode and define words when only suckers believe that words have meanings? Why worry about teaching scientific method and how to support an idea when it’s obviously simpler to just make up whatever you want to make up?
The answer of course is that all these things are doubly necessary in times like these, that society needs people raised and taught to function in reality based on real things. The Work of educators is now more important than ever.
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I hate to be so negative, but we all have to admit that the Oligarchs have finally & definitively won. They have been leading up to this for years, but by putting Trump in power again they have finally consolidated their power & influence. They control the means of information that too many people follow like Facebook, Tik Tok, Instagram, Twitter/X, and others. They have enabled Righties to destroy the trust in our established institutions, not that those institutions have always been completely trustworthy. They have convinced people that the legitimate media should be questioned & mistrusted & renamed as the “fake news”. They will undoubtedly put a chill on any dissent that comes from any kinds of liberal groups or individuals. We’ll have to wait & see how hard he tries to stifle anyone who mocks & criticizes him like all of the MSNBC hosts, the late night shows, the Daily Show, Saturday Night Live, etc. I agree that teachers need to continue to try to teach critical thinking in order to be able to discern truths, however there will be such pressure to stifle those efforts that teachers will be afraid to buck the system which will continue to censor & discourage dissent towards the now powerful Right Wing. Maybe I’m wrong, but this is how Fascism slowly takes hold. It’s going to be a wild road ahead!
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Agreed. In red led states there will be continuing efforts to destroy public education and transfer public funds to charter schools and vouchers. They will ratchet up their control over curricula in public schools including using conservative propaganda videos that subvert truth like PragerU. Conservatives want to control the narrative for malleable young minds.https://www.npr.org/2024/03/07/1234491074/prageru-schools-videos-growth
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A preview of coming attractions, via Peter Greene also:
https://www.eclectablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ERR-CNP-Site.pdf
And here’s a link to Peter’s post:
https://curmudgucation.substack.com/p/the-hard-rights-planning-document
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Christine: Who wrote this mess?
I see an “inherent” problem already, between the “inherent” rights of the parents to educate (or 3 and 4), and the other principles: What if I as a parent don’t want to teach my children the other foundational principles but want a democratic-secular, true history, non-bigoted, freedom-of-religion education for them?
Are they taking smart lessons from Trump?
Off to the “re-education” camps, like the old Chinese Marxists?
Is that a draft written by Melanie Trump?
These people don’t even have the brains to work out the logic of their own self-conflicting disorder.
And BTW, did they forget that “the government” in their own present democracy is already of/for/by The People?
Are they planning to get Musk to send all the other religiously affiliated people, not affiliated with a Judeo-Christian religion, like . . . say . . . millions of Muslims, off to another planet? Or is it even more nefarious than that?
If I were God, I’d be so tired of that drivel and the waste of the divine gift of freedom, that I’d abandon us. Oh, . . . based on what is going on right now, . . . perhaps we HAVE been abandoned by God. CBK
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My brain is aching. I remember showing my students the movie, Sidney Poitier starred in the 1991 TV miniseries Separate But Equal as Thurgood Marshall, the NAACP attorney who led the legal challenge to racial segregation in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court case: they were glued to every word. I loved how the rule of law played out. Right before I retired, I tried to explain to my students, “You need to understand that if people did not fight for your rights to have a decent education, well, most of us, including me, would be teaching/bussed at/to the ‘crap school” across town even though you live right across the street. Get it?” (My kids were mostly at-risk, Hispanic, and 95-97% free and reduced lunch). That’s why every day you come to school, you learn; you fight hard for the truth and don’t let the naysayers get you down. Stand up for what is right! So much correct information was left out then…geez, now what? I digress. Thanks for letting me process.
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It isn’t going to be easy to teach truth in red states like Florida where laws are being passed making it illegal to teach the truth based on history and facts.
The rest is a series of pull quotes from Googles AI Overview on this subject.
Many states have passed laws that limit what teachers can teach, including laws that restrict the discussion of race, history, and other controversial topics:
Some states have also passed laws that give families the ability to pursue complaints and litigation against school districts that break the laws
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I find it almost humorous that a political party that tells Democrats and liberals that we’re too easily offended THEN turns around and tells us that certain subjects cannot be taught in public schools because those subject might cause ” discomfort “.
I suppose conservatives are so delicate that thry and their children must be treated as if they are fragile hothouse flowers.
make it make sense
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Here’s what I know…”You, two, CAN B PreeziDEnt!” Look at me writing my essay in ALL CAPS. Don’t know stuff, make it up. “This essay is gonna be better than anything you have ever scene. ” Once this essay is completed, it is going to be some essay! (I actually had a student increase the font size so it became three pages, but reminded me how great the essay was but never told me anything). Wow, looked great on paper!
As an “analyzer” I kept telling my wife, “It reminds me so much of my classroom. Not all, but throughout my teaching career, kids who didn’t like what they needed to do, had to read, homework and whatnot never failed to blame the person in charge: the teacher.
“This is dumb. You’re dumb. Why do I need to know math?”
When Schwarzenegger ran for CA Governor it was all about voting for the “Govenator!” Egads. He proposed merit pay. I asked the kids, “If my pay depends on how well you do on the tests and you never study, I am screwed, yes?” They said I helped them in every way, but there was “always better things to do.” I worry about all the students who really need good teachers, but who would jeopardize their paycheck to teach at risk youth?” Also when CA Prop 55 came along (it was supposed to fix educational costs) I read the entire thing and despite what I was told to think, I said, “This is only a band-aid. We are raising taxes on ourselves. After one year, the funds go into the general fund. Can you say “bullet train?” The Union said, “If you don’t vote for it, you will be furloughed for nearly 20 days.” We did have furlough days, but despite my analysis, I had to vote to “save my pay”.
But, if a person has felt wronged, there are no talking points that will convince them otherwise.
“You made me get bad grades. I am gonna get you fired.”
I went on to try (as many teachers do) to explain the “why’s and how’s” but that is all too complicated for those who have already felt wronged. “You made me late to school. You made me cheat. You should have given me…”
What I learned is how to approach their cognitive acuity, uh, speak their language. At first, I was “telling” them how to do things. I quickly learned, to close my mouth, let them talk, and then provide examples of how to ‘stand up for what is right”, spot flawed logic, and teach them to make informed decisions on their terms. To learn, I always asked them what they thought. Nearly all students told me, “We just want someone to listen to us; not preach; not solve our issues, but sincerely listen and help us navigate the system.” Talking down, using too large of a vocabulary and whatnot, never worked. When I was in advertising, my mentor said, “When you write ad copy, you are writing for about 13-year old reading level. Use the Fog Index The “ideal” Fog Index rating is 7–8. A rating above 12 indicates that the writing sample is too hard for most people to understand; a rating much lower than 7–8 indicates that many readers might find the text too simplistic and therefore off-putting. The Fog Index works on short syllable words.
Too hard to understand — don’t pay attention.
As I have indicated in many of my past posts, I worry about the example set for school children. I worked hard to listen, add value, not demean, and put kids on the right path. I taught them how to think, not what to think. Primarily an art teacher, but I also had to teach other subjects (and when I did, I studied my brains out to put out the best curriculum even when I was offered none). I studied at Boston University, The Art Institute of Chicago, and at the Red Cross in Washington, D.C. (Humanitarian Law) during my summers. I loved American Government because it was about “Landmark Supreme Court Cases” and how the rule of law was applied for ALL people.
Jordan Klepper of The Daily Show asked a MAGA person (paraphrased), “So the economy is bad, eh? Yes, I cannot afford bread and eggs. How much did you spend on all that MAGA stuff — thousands.”
Makes on go, “Hmmm…”
Bottom line: keep perpetuating the lie until it becomes the truth.
Who knows? I am perplexed. Thanks for allowing me to process.
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This year’s elections served to solidify Republican control of many state legislatures, and that, combined with Trump’s victory assuring that the U.S. Department of Education will be under the control of archconservatives, public school teachers will be under pressure to teach what the Republicans want — and what they want is THEIR “truth”. Teachers’ unions don’t have the resources or the political clout to do much about that.
Teachers who teach a truth different from the Right Wing truth are now an endangered species.
Moreover, the Right Wing media already dominate U.S. news outlets, and the lead-up to the election showed that even traditional liberal media, like the New York Times and the Washington Post, are no longer reliable voices, so that “truth” that Americans will be getting is the Right Wing version of the truth. Elon Musk has already said that he plans to buy the ABC News Network, and there is nothing to stop him from doing that; in fact, he can easily afford to buy ABC, CBS, and NBC by himself. With that, there is no longer any serious liberal voice in America, and all Americans will hear and see only the Right Wing view of reality, which is what the upcoming generation of Americans will see as the only truth.
The outlook is grim.
Very grim.
The only thing that can interfere with the Right Wing’s total takeover of America over time is if some external development interferes with it.
I feel the way at least some Germans felt in 1933.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 7:01 AM Diane Ravitch’s blog < comment-reply@wordpress.com> wrote:
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“even traditional liberal media, like the New York Times and the Washington Post, are no longer reliable voices, so that “truth” that Americans will be getting is the Right Wing version of the truth”
I regularly read the Times and the Post, and I don’t think their reporting is unreliable or right-wing.
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During the entire election campaign, the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, ABC, CBS, and NBC “sanewashed” Trump’s deranged and dangerous proclamations, claims, and threats.
That is not reliable reporting.
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Yeah I’m very familiar with that argument but I don’t buy it.
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Trump’s minions don’t “buy” global warming, either — but that doesn’t change the facts.
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wow game set and match
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Like we did such a good job with these generations.
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”…head stuffed firmly in an alternate reality.”
I was thinking that people who voted for Trump had a head stuffed up something, not in something.
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sorry, but I think Bernie is to a degree full of it. Harris did better in VT than he did, and do not see him offering any explanation of that. And for all the bloviating I am seeing from both his side of the party and from the right side of the party, they fail to properly put the onus where it probably belongs: on the so-called main stream media which for far too long normalized Trump’s behavior and also failed to give the Biden administration proper credit for all it did. Much of the electorate clearly had distorted understandings of the economy, of how inflation had occurred. Folks did not realize that gas prices were high because Trump had persuaded Saudis and Russia to cut oil production, and that grocery prices were high because both of concentration in the food supply chain and clear price gauging,.
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Exactly right, Ken.
The media should have covered him as the lying insurrectionist and felon that he is.
He is not normal.
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teacherken
Nothing is ever, ever the democrats fault. The American voters disagreed with you loud and clear.
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What’s the plan for the next election? Cross fingers and hope for better media coverage?
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After teaching for three years in Japan, my daughter returned to the United States and completed a one year Masters program in education.
She now has a position in a local Brooklyn high school, teaching United States government and economics to seniors, along with a morning homeroom of 9th graders.
We’ve talked quite a bit about this particular subject and she is completely on board. I forwarded the article to her. Thanks for posting.
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