Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo cites several critical headlines in major newspapers about Kamala Harris’s campaign. One says her campaign is light on details. Another says she is running a substance-free campaign. Yet another demands to know when she will meet the press. He remembers how the Washington press corps treated her as a lightweight, as a problem, as a dead weight at the top of the ticket. There was an unspoken assumption that the public was not ready for a Black woman for president, especially not this one.
He writes:
I’ve come at this debate in my head from a bunch of different directions over the last few days…. I actually got in a minor spat today with a reporter who I’d dinged for an article description which presented Harris as a sort of mystery candidate verging on a Manchurian Candidate, with unknown views and barely detailed ambitions. Are we kidding with all of this?
On the one hand, journalists press for information, details, answers. That’s what they do. It’s their job. It’s part of their job to be annoying. They press for things that people aren’t going to volunteer. But there is something uncanny and vaguely absurd hearing this mix of complaints, demands and warnings of electoral disaster leveled at a campaign which is finishing up what has to be at least among, and quite possibly the, best single month of any presidential campaign in at least half a century. Campaign success isn’t what journalists are or should be concerned about. But it defies belief that Harris and her campaign would shift gears when what they’ve been doing is working this well.
I’ve made my points on this in the earlier piece. I don’t want to rehash them here. But there is one additional point: modern political campaign journalism is almost totally indifferent to public policy. Normally, Democrats cannot get reporters to pay attention to it. So these demands for a “vision” for this and a vision for that and detailed policy papers on all the rest are just a bit weird. Where does this newfound interest come from?
The whole thing will take care of itself. Harris will do some interviews — not because reporters are demanding it but because it will make sense for her campaign. And they’ll flesh out some policies — again, ones that make sense for her campaign.
The deeper story is that most campaign reporters simply don’t know what to make of Harris’ campaign and can’t figure out how it has managed, at least for the moment, to be so successful. That’s not a criticism: I think many of Harris’ supporters are equally mystified. But they’re just happy with the results. They don’t need an explanation. But for reporters the inexplicableness requires a storyline. And this is that storyline: the substanceless campaign, the lack of interviews, yada yada yada. As Kate noted in today’s pod: Biden started doing a bunch of interviews when his campaign started to tank. Trump’s been doing a spree of them because he’s floundering and he’s trying to regain attention. Candidate do these when they need to, not when reporters demand it.
The final part of the story is rooted in official Washington’s view of Harris. To put it baldly, most elite DC journalists treated Harris with a kind of breezy disdain that could scarcely rise to the level of contempt. For the first year of her vice presidency there was an ongoing series of critical reports about issues in the Office of the Vice President, staff drama, mean bossism, general turmoil. I don’t know how much reality there was to those reports. But they set a dismal tone. You’ll remember that when Ezra Klein and others got together the calls for a Thunderdome convention, Klein referred delicately and painedly to “the Kamala Harris problem,” a problem so obvious that it scarcely required explanation: how to usher her out of the way for others from the vaunted Democratic bench.
I’m not trying to pick on Klein here. I’ve done enough of that. I note this simply because it was such a deep conventional wisdom that it hardly required explanation. Everyone in that world knew what he meant. That certainly figures into this, and in both directions. It is not only that there is this great appetite to find out just what it is Harris must be doing wrong. That backstory must have left Harris just utterly uninterested in what these folks have to say. They treated her as something between a punchline and a nonentity and now she’s the odds-on favorite, if only by a small margin, to be the next President. Why should she care?

It should be painfully obvious by now that the transition from Biden to Harris was not a hapless mess, but was a finely choreographed dance. How else would the campaign have so far succeeded?
Some facts about campaigns:
They cannot afford to be very specific about policy unless they are assured of control of the House and Senate, a thing neither party can lay claim to now.
To campaign with a great many specific policies instead of generalized philosophy is ill advised at best. All the stories written will sound like the campaign problems of Al Gore or Adlai Stephenson. Policy wonks. Boring. Don’t connect with the voters.
Indeed it is the news’s habit of treating campaign as horse race that pulls discussion of policy out of the affair. We know Trump policy. Many people don’t like it and recoil at the style of it. Harris would be a fool not to take advantage of that.
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She might be to planning to raise taxes and doesn’t want the voters to know it.
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She has already said that she won’t raise taxes on anyone whose income is less than $400,000.
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I suppose this is a mandatory position these days to win elections, but the idea that we can create new social safety nets, and expand existing ones or even sustain them indefinitely, without raising taxes on the middle class requires so funny math.
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Some funny math
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When I read Diane’s comment that “Kamala says she wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone whose income is less than $400,000,” my first thought was the Eisenhower tax rates.
“income tax rates under Eisenhower were as high as 90 percent”
PolitiFact | Income tax rates were 90 percent under Eisenhower, Sanders says
Click the previous link for the details.
“Eisenhower proved higher tax rates could work” is something else to learn from.
Eisenhower proved higher tax rates could work | AP News
Has anyone figured out what my point is yet?
If not, maybe this will help.
“Income growth across this bracket has increased by over 10% between 2020 and 2022, higher than all other brackets aside from the top 1%. Overall, the top 10% richest own more than the bottom 90% combined, with $95 trillion in wealth.”
If we tax the wealthiest 10% up to 70% (I like the idea of 90% more) of their annual net earnings through income and investments, how much might that be since they are worth more than the other 90% that are not as economically well of as they are?
We do not have to dramatically increase tax rates for the bottom 90%. only the top 10%.
And the top 10% would still be wealthier than anyone in the bottom 90%.
The Nordic nations with their cuddly capitalism do it and the rich are still wealthy.
“Norway’s top personal tax rate of 38.2 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average Norwegian income. Sweden’s top personal tax rate of 52.3 percent applies to all income over 1.1 times the average national income.”
“Scandinavian countries tend to levy top personal income tax rates on (upper) middle-class earners, not just high-income taxpayers. For example, Denmark’s top statutory personal income tax rate of 55.9 percent applies to all income over 1.3 times the average income.” May 21, 2024
I see no reason not to do this in the United States.
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Thanks for this, Lloyd.
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I don’t know how finely choreographed it has been. The campaign has done very well, no doubt, but I think they understandably have been scrambling to build the aircraft mid-flight.
The biggest reason for the success of the transition—for why there has been such enthusiasm and such a change in the polls—is that Dem and many independent voters were depressed and mortified at the state of the Biden campaign. By itself, Biden stepping aside generated enormous goodwill.
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Today the NYT wrote their 100th or 500th article where they focus on “regular” Trump voters and what they think, elevating them as normal folks just concerned with America’s future instead of as the same gullible folks who enrolled in Trump University.
Of course, “everyone already knows” their views, but that doesn’t stop the NYT from finding a “newsworthy” angle — they aren’t at the diners, they are at the county fairs! They believe in conspiracy theories that may be true! We just don’t know, or just don’t believe it is our job to know because seeking the truth is “biased” if one party traffics in lies.
Refusing to include any negative truths about Trump in daily news stories because “everyone already knows” only holds true for negative information about Trump. If there is a story that “everyone already knows” that validates the view that Trump supporters aren’t racist at all, but simply caring folks who believe in having the strong America Trump promises and maybe are confused about a few details that may or may not be true that no reporter will ever ask them about is worthy of at least 1,000 more stories this election cycle.
Imagine if the NYT gave that much coverage to all the people who are excited about the Harris-Walz ticket, writing at least 3 or 4 stories a week where those voters get to express how much they love what Harris is offering without any challenges from the media.
Imagine if they wrote those stories instead of hundreds of stories demanding that Kamala should offer the detailed policy that Trump doesn’t have to offer because Trump is a Republican, and it would be far too biased to hold them to even a small fraction of the impossible standard that the media demands of the Dems. If Trump wants to lie, that’s no longer news. If Trump doesn’t want to talk policy, that’s not news. It’s only news because it allows them to bash Kamala to look “fair and balanced”.
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More crying about the New York Times = zzzzzzzzzzzz
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Josh Marshall as linked to above and is the subject of this post:
“TPM Reader KJ sent me this in response to yesterday’s Backchannel. At first I thought these might be made up headlines. But they’re each real. I linked them.
Are you telling Josh Marshall to shut up, or criticizing Diane Ravitch for making the subject of her post Josh Marshall’s blog observations? Or just being gratuitously nasty toward me?
You “cried” about lots of things that concerned you, and then “cried” more. Imagine if instead of responding courteously, even if they disagreed, people just posted zzzz every single time you mentioned how disturbed and concerned you were because of the BLM protests in your neighborhood. Or every single time you commented expressing how upset you were by school closings. “zzzz more crying about BLM protests from flerp” “zzzz more crying about covid school closings from flerp!”
Be a mensch. It’s possible to disagree without being nasty and making it personal. Or, if you can’t say something nice, shh, say nothing. (h/t my grade school music teacher having us sing the Bambi song)
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I apologize. I did not intend to upset you so much when I typed the “zzzzz” comment.
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You may be bored, Flerp, I’m not. NYT needs to be called our regularly. Let’s not normalize their biased “news” stories anymore than we want Trump’s inanities continually normalized.
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The NYT bias against democrats is hugely overstated and has become an almost pathological reflex, or reflux, among too many Democrats. Those afflicted with this condition can continue to call it out, but I’ll keep calling out syndrome as such, too.
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I don’t read the paper. I understand that the editorial reporting can appear rather biased simply by counting articles, but I have to rely on other sources for editorial content. I could get the online version thru my public library, but am more interested in keeping up with local Chicago area reporting.
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That makes total sense—I wish the Times had better local coverage for NYC. But if you don’t read the paper, how can you form the view that the paper needs to be called out?
I agree that counting articles is silly, as is making distinctions that most readers don’t make between news and opinion coverage. But you don’t really need to create a spreadsheet and crunch numbers. A simple skimming of the paper makes it obvious that editorially, the paper has an extremely strong anti-Trump bent. And a dispassionate reader of the paper’s news coverage would conclude that, while one might quibble with articles here and there, the news coverage is more or less a fair attempt to inform the reader of what’s happening.
I have a lot of friends who are former democrats but have fallen into the anti-woke rabbit hole, some even into maga territory. They whine about the New York Times all the time, for obvious reasons. But I see even more complaining about the paper here, and it just cracks me up. Some people see what they want to see, and some people even wish they could control what other people see.
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Not a very informed opinion on my part. Just based on snippets I have picked up. The NYT as a whole has always struck me as a good paper. I moved away from the East Coast before I paid too much attention to newspapers beyond the funnies. Just have heard questions about editorial staff bias on opinion pieces. I don’t have strong opinions about issue as it relates to NYT. There may be a bit of bleed over from The Wall Street Journal editorial stance. I didn’t mean to convey an extra amount of intensity in my expression of interest in comment that bored you. I imagine there are comments that could be made about Chicago media that I would find less than compelling.
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reflux. lol
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thanks speduktr – I wrote a reply to this myself that’s being held up in moderation.
But your reply is much more succinct and better – thank you!
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9 times out of ten this critique amounts to testimony from a huge fan of the Democrats/intense enemy of Republicans that she would have made different editorial decisions than the NYT made on how to cover the election campaigns. “I would print several stories a week interviewing Kamala Harris supporters about why they love Harris!” Yes I’m sure you would! 😂
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“don’t believe your lying eyes” about the NYT isn’t a convincing argument to me, but YMMV. Nor is “zzzz”
I suppose the NYT also has no bias against public schools either? Their education reporting could not possibly be infected by pro-charter bias, right? Because someone says so, and don’t believe your lying eyes.
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I don’t hope to convince you of anything.
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“I would print several stories a week interviewing Kamala Harris supporters about why they love Harris!” Yes I’m sure you would!” [cry/laughing emoji]
The NYT does write many stories interviewing Trump supporters – usually at diners, but now at county fairs – about why they love Trump. They just ran yet another one today.
Your acknowledgement of how ridiculous it would be if the NYT did that for Kamala supporters undermines your knee jerk defense of their news reporting. You are good with the NYT interviewing Trump voters about why they love Trump? But doing that for Kamala would be laughably biased toward her? I am sure the NYT reporters and editors agree with your opinion on that. And Josh Marshall is noticing how those kinds of beliefs are problematic.
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Flerp, you and NYC public school parent obviously look at the world through different lenses informed by different experiences, I’m guessing. I like hearing from both of you.
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NYCPSP– Let’s not forget that other major paper, the Washington Post. Doh, brother. The Bezos influence has become ever more noticeable. To the point where every other Opinon (or Editorial) comment thread is peppered with remarks like “OK, that’s one more piece that has me seriously considering canceling my subscription,” “I’m letting mine run out in September, won’t miss it,” etc. I’m still fuming over 8/16’s “Kamala Harris unveils Populist Policy Agenda” [First line: Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday unveiled an aggressively populist economic agenda…”]
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I subscribe to the Post but I don’t read it much.
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Josh Marshall:
“there is one additional point: modern political campaign journalism is almost totally indifferent to public policy. Normally, Democrats cannot get reporters to pay attention to it. So these demands for a “vision” for this and a vision for that and detailed policy papers on all the rest are just a bit weird. Where does this newfound interest come from?“
Josh Marshall makes many good points, although some folks seem to believe that if they just keep saying “the NYT is pro-Democrat” and directing insulting comments at anyone who agrees with Josh Marshall, they are participating in the kind of thoughtful debate that Diane Ravitch’s blog is known for. I have no idea why it bothers them so much when someone else criticizes the NYT, but as I have pointed out in the past, it is similar to how bothered they were with criticism of charter CEO Eva Moskowitz. These apparent “sacred cows” can handle the criticism. They have a lot of money and influence and folks who criticize them have legitimate issues and there is no need to belittle and personally insult folks who agree with Josh Marshall and see the problems and bias in how the NYT and other so-called liberal media covers Dems. It’s not surprising that the failures in this coverage are similar to the failures in how the so-called liberal media often covers public education and charters, something that Diane Ravitch has noted many times here.
If you had told me 30 years ago that someone like Trump could be president, I would have been certain the media’s coverage of him would have made him as unelectable as David Duke was when he ran for Louisiana Governor. That’s why Josh Marshall wrote his essay and why thoughtful media critics like Norm Ornstein who have always been as moderate to conservative as it gets are concerned. Because the media has failed.
Pretending this problem doesn’t exist and insulting everyone who believes Josh Marshall is making valid points debases the conversation.
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lol, the next time you want to write a comment about how I am “debasing the conversation” here, you can just go ahead and use my name.
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The press does a lousy job of introspection–or critical sefl-analysis, if you will.
Example 1– Finding out why Hillary lost in 2016 without coming to terms with the pile-on they participated in about her computer and emails and Comey. Meanwhile they let the Trump freak show rant ad nauseum about locking her up, etc. — somehow missing they were the elephant in the room of her narrow defeat.
Example 2– Rinse-wash-repeat. Harris is now supposed to lay out her positions on everything the press suddenly yearns to know. Guess what! The media (especilly cable) has never pressed her driveling genius opponent for anything resemebling policy specifics. It’s more of the same info-tainment being promoted by the jive pretty-face commentators.
And as Biden’s age-stuttering-physical decline has exited the stage, the more profoundly disturbed Trump gets away with his crazy dance–and forever impending day in court.
I say that Harris should let out whatever information she wants to and how and when she wants to. She or Walz can point out the vacuity that characterizes the coverage of Trump and his supporters. Let those in the MSM, always hungry to inform the public in the interest of fulfilling their democratic duty sit and stew and turn finding out where Harris stands into a meta non-issue.
And please, don’t keep giving us these moronic focus groups with undecideds.
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Thank you! I emphatically agree.
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Spot on! Thank you.
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Agreed
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POLICY…dianeravitch
says:
August 8, 2024 at 12:27 pm
Here you go:
Codify a woman’s right to choose.
Pass laws supporting unions.
Protect the environment.
Support gay rights.
Pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.
Pass gun control legislation, including background checks and a ban on AR-15 type assault weapons.
Watch her speeches. Her policies are there. Read the Democratic Playform, which will be released before the convention.
There is no secret or mystery.
Are we kidding with all of this?…
The “existential” crisis, the threat to “Democracy” has caused Joe to be persuaded, RIGHT NOW, to enact Harris solutions, in his name. Harris power to pass laws, support gay rights, on and on, is happening RIGHT NOW…
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Harris’s policies as prosecutor were extremely right-wing – perp-walking and jailing mothers (not fathers) of truant children, support for the death penalty, withholding evidence that could have freed a man from death row (who is still in prison even though he’s been exonerated), keeping people past their release dates for the prison labor, protecting Steve Mnuchin even when there was vast evidence of fraudulent foreclosure by his bank, protecting pedophile Catholic priests.
During her time responsible for border enforcement as Vice President, her policy was “Do not come. Do not come.” She oversaw the continued separation of children from their parents and the vicious round-up of Haitian immigrants.
She has walked-back her previous support for progressive policies such as M4A and a ban on fracking.
But because she tells you fairy tales about “up to” $25,000 for a down payment for first-time home buyers and lowering costs for families, you guys are just willing to believe that she’s going to be a progressive president. Or maybe you just don’t care because at the end of the day all that matters is “not Trump”.
I dunno, my prognostication skills aren’t the best, but I’m going to guess the lack of clearly stated policy is going to hurt her in the long run. Right now she’s running high on “not Biden” vibes, but sooner or later those not in the cult are going to want answers.
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Hmmmm, let me see, the choice is between Harris or Trump. What a conundrum, what a difficult choice, NOT! Harris may not be perfect, she may have flaws, but compared to Trump, she’s the preferred choice by far. Voting 3rd party is idiotic, especially if you vote for the libertarian candidate. I am not accusing Dienne of being a libertarian, she’s not a libertarian as far as I know.
It’s not a matter of being in a cult, it’s a matter of blocking Trump from appointing any more SCOTUS justices like he did in his term as president. A highly crucial consideration.
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Like I said, when “not Trump” is all that matters, who needs policy, right?
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blah blah blah Jill Stein had all the answers.
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was Kamala “responsible for border enforcement” as VP??
That sounds like a dishonest right wing talking point that is typical of the right wing viewers who get their propaganda from right wing media, and is similar to the lie this person posted about how Putin invaded Ukraine to fight Nazis.
When these are the folks demanding “policy details” from Kamala and not Trump, you know that they only want to find something they can use to attack her more.
I am glad most Americans who aren’t rabidly pro-Trump are rejecting these false right wing narratives.
We can’t stop these folks from spreading lies, but we can call them out and marginalize them.
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Trump has policies – this blog rails about them on a near daily basis. I don’t support those policies, but at least I know what they are. People who do support Trump can generally tell you why they do. People who support Harris on the other hand can only tell you, “she’s not Trump”.
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Trump’s “policies” are even less defined than Kamala’s. How many immigrants will he deport? Does he favor a national abortion ban?
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“People who support Harris on the other hand can only tell you, “she’s not Trump”.
I truly do not understand how this person gets away with making such false statements. Is there ANYONE here who has only said about Kamala “she’s not Trump”?
Kamala stands for many things and she isn’t just “not Trump”, her positions are against almost everything the current Republican party stands for. Including the basic progressive value (which apparently means so little to this person) that every citizen should be able to vote without partisan restrictions designed to disenfranchise them.
Some people believe there is no difference between those trying to undermine Medicare for senior citizens and those who not only want to make the current Medicare system stronger, but want to expand the current health insurance programs for non-seniors. Some people believe there is no difference between those who would like to lower the minimum wage and end the regulations that protect unions, and those fighting to protect workers.
The fact that those people who believe there is no difference also told us that Putin was fighting Nazis in Ukraine and that it would be no big difference whether an open Supreme Court seat was filled by a Dem or Republican speaks volumes for their credibility.
We know Trump’s beliefs and corruption, which is why we oppose him. And we know Kamala’s values and what she will be fighting for.
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I do think some of Kamala’s appeal is that she is filling the role of a generic “Democrat” or “not Trump.” This is surely one of the reasons why the Harris campaign has not been rushing announce policy positions—it makes the candidate less generic and gives more points of attack.
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So, what is the solution for that?
I remember that back during the election between Carter and Reagan, the Chicago Tribune ran a two-page spread detailing the positions of the two candidates AND of the American people on some 25 or so major issues. Really, really useful and interesting. The people were overwhelmingly with Carter on the issues, and they voted overwhelmingly for Reagan, which shows how ignorant most of them were.
I just had a Trump supporter tell me that Donald Trump knows the real reason why Putin had to invade Ukraine but cannot for national security reasons reveal that information. I suppose that he also knows how to transmute base metals into gold and can levitate.
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I don’t know if there is a solution. A table comparison of positions on major issues would be interesting and useful. Of course some would complain that such an exercise “normalizes!” Trump by treating him like a normal candidate who should be evaluated according to his political positions on the same footing as his opponent. I don’t know.
Personally, the “issues” don’t matter that much to me this election, except in an extremely broad sense—e.g., Trump is an unstable man who undermines or destroys our most important institutions and should not be let near the levers of power again. I have not been very impressed with the policy positions Harris has previewed thus far (some of which have been vaguely presented and caused a lot of confusion—likely a sign that the campaign is building the aircraft in mid-air), but like I say, this is not an issue-heavy election to me. But issues may matter more to others—there seems to be a substantial number of voters who have not been persuaded that “not Trump” is the only thing that matters.
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I think that progressives often make the mistake of thinking that Trump does not have positions on issues that his base loves. I live in South Florida. I meet a lot of Trump supporters. They love his positions on immigration, the military, private schools, vaccination, race-related rioting, abortion, climate change, tariffs, guns, Ukraine, Civil War monuments, the teaching of patriotic history, and so on. And they love that he is a patriot and a Christian and a successful businessman. Of course, you and I know that ALL OF THAT is bullshit, but these Trumpanzees aren’t very bright. Still, it is false to say that they don’t support him ON THE ISSUES. They consider him the candidate of God, guns, and the glory of the United States.
It is a serious problem, however, if the only way to win election is NOT to tell people what your specific plans are related to various pressing issues of concern to the public.
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Bob,
I suppose you could boil down Trump’s stand on issues to a few phrases: “America First” and especially “MAGA,” which means turn back the clock to 1924 and all that implies re: race, women’s rights, white male Christian supremacy.
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yes
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Bob makes many good points, which support why the so-called liberal media’s obsession with “policy” is so full of hypocrisy.
Bob is right that many Trump voters LIKE the issues that Trump talks about, despite Trump offering no detailed policy at all about immigration beyond “build the wall” and some vague allusions where presumably some new army will be stopping every person young and old to demand proof of legal residency and deporting everyone else to some vague “other place”. The details of Kamala’s policies are irrelevant to them except as a talking point. They know she is “against” what Trump is for so they hate her and wish her ill.
Trump doesn’t talk about all the policies that those voters who like his anti-immigrant, white supremacist policies would NOT like and the media isn’t demanding it. Trump has walked back his abortion statements and he isn’t running on public school budgets paying for vouchers because many Republicans like their public schools. Imagine if Trump had to explain why vry rich people are getting another massive tax cut and middle class people will be getting reduced Medicare and Social Security benefits. Imagine if Trump had to explain HOW HE WAS PAYING for his policies which Republicans get a pass on from the media who always demands that Dems provide details and when they do, explain to voters that the numbers don’t add up and Dems are untrustworthy.
It’s not surprising that the biased, hypocrisy-ridden media isn’t demanding any policy details about the Trump economic policies THAT HIS VOTERS DON’T LIKE, but are demanding Kamala provide such details, when in fact Kamala voters have a lot more knowledge about Kamala’s policies than Trump voters have about his.
Kamala should keep ignoring the ridiculous press, led by the reprehensible NYT which today ran MORE “right wing talking points” in which they again present a Democrat who has provided 100x more detail than the Republicans have provided as STILL not as trustworthy as the Republican because she refuses to provide the “policy detail’ that reporters only demand from Dems so they can attack them and tell voters their policies are not to be trusted.
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Trump is literally insane. And he is a career criminal and a seditionist and a traitor. Treating him, in the media, as though he were a normal candidate has been a horrific disservice the country. You are absolutely right about that, NYC PSP.
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What does it mean to treat a candidate like a “normal candidate”? The media report on Trump’s alleged crimes. They report on what’s happening in his criminal cases. They report on the insane stuff he says at his rallies. They do mountains of editorials about the dangers he poses to democracy and America’s standing in the world. I agree that Trump is not “normal.” I just don’t know what it means to ask a news organization to cover him differently than a “normal candidate.” Nor do I understand what the many people who complain about how media cover Trump think media should actually be doing instead, apart from not writing things that they feel reflect poorly on Dem candidates.
In this very thread, NYCPSP complains that the NYT has a story about how Kamala Harris’s campaign is light on policy and heavy on “buzz.” The complaint doesn’t seem to hinge on the story’s inaccuracy—and in fact the story is very accurate. Rather, the complaint seems to be that the NYT wrote that story about Harris but did not write a separate story about how Trump is also light on policy. (The NYT has in fact covered that story elsewhere, as I’ve noted in this thread, but no matter.) So the complaint here is about different standards, and the exhortation is for the NYT to apply the same standards to both candidates. Ok, fine, but that sounds exactly like how a newspaper would strive to cover a “normal” campaign and a “normal” GOP candidate.
I truly can’t tell what it is people want from the NYT and other papers, apart perhaps from glowing coverage of the candidate they like and a nonstop drumbeat of stories with the headline “Trump Is Bad.”
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I have a post coming up that explains how the media should respond to Trump. When he lies, for example, come back by saying “that’s not true.” Insist that he answer the question. Etc
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Spot on!!!
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Today’s new NYT headlines:
“Harris’s Early Campaign Is Heavy on Buzz, Light on Policy”
(FYI, this story is presented to readers as NEWS, not opinion, and this “news” is written by the campaign reporter assigned to cover Harris and write more of these “totally unbiased, and practically pro-Democrat” stories about how lightweight she is.)
How many times will the NYT write essentially the SAME “news” story about Kamala being a lightweight with some minor twist? That false narrative that the NYT presents as an absolutely fact were a major theme in a NYT story that appeared within minutes of Biden stepping aside and endorsing Kamala — a pre-written story in which Kamala’s being a lightweight was presented as an absolute fact, while in the very same article the only criticism of Trump was presented as something that “Democrats BRANDED” Trump with, leaving open the idea that while there is no doubt that Kamala Harris is a lightweight, all criticism of Trump is partisan and therefore may or may not be true and journalists at the NYT have no idea what is true, except that Kamala is a lightweight, the false narrative that infects nearly every story they write.
I bet if polls were taken of swing voters, the word “lightweight” would be highly associated with Kamala just like the word “corrupt” was highly associated with the previous female candidate. And defenders of the so-called liberal media will blame the candidates for being so lightweight and corrupt, and that’s why those words are associated with them while Trump is associated with words like “has strong beliefs” and “says what he thinks” with no detail about how dishonest, criminal and lightweight Trump’s “beliefs” are.
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The thrust of the story is captured in the subhead: “On policy, the vice president is drafting off President Biden, essentially cherry-picking the most popular parts of his agenda and betting that a younger messenger can sell them to Americans.”
This is appropriate for news and it is also accurate.
The Times elsewhere has covered Trump’s efforts to streamline the Republican platform to dramatically reduce the number of policy positions, to make it a sleeker document that represents only the candidate (rather than the party) and also to make it a more difficult target to shoot at. You might know that if you read the paper rather than just skimmed for headlines that confirm your preexisting opinion that the Times is out to get the Democrats.
You should consider stopping reading the Times, or, as the case may be, stop reading other pundits’ complaints about the Times. You’ll be happier!
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flerp!, you just made my point for me.
When Trump lacks details, the NYT characterizes it as “streamlining” — a POSITIVE.
When Kamala lacks details, the connotation of her policies is all negative — “lightweight”. The NYT presents her not providing details as if there is something suspect about it – she’s hiding something bad, untrustworthy. But as you yourself noted, Trump not providing details is characterized as competent and admirable — Trump is “streamlining”. The NYT does not imply Trump is hiding something because he is untrustworthy. On the contrary, Trump is making a “sleeker” document. That’s a positive.
I challenge you to show me an article that presents Kamala Harris’s platform as “sleek” and “streamlined”, instead of “light on details”.
Also, I want to point out to other people here how this falsehood is casually dropped into your comments:
“I truly can’t tell what it is people want from the NYT and other papers, apart perhaps from glowing coverage of the candidate they like and a nonstop drumbeat of stories with the headline “Trump Is Bad.”
What I have said again and again, what Josh Marshall and Norm Ornstein and many other people who are thoughtful about this have said is that they want stories written to inform the public of what is true. Not to make people confused about what is true because they are inundated with both sides stories about the Republican and negative stories about the Democrat.
Biden is NOT a cognitive vegetable, despite his age being an impediment to his campaign. The NYT didn’t say exactly that Biden was a cognitive vegetable, they just flooded the zone with 500 stories about how everyone in the world agreed that Biden was cognitively unfit to be the nominee and fudged the difference between having the physical stamina to be a candidate and the cognitive ability to continue as president for the next year. And minimized or ignored every instance where Biden showed he could handle tough questions from the media.
Meanwhile, Trump has shown over and over again extreme cognitive unfitness, and the NYT cleans up his press conferences and appearances (sometimes eventually they have to write a 3rd version that actually shows the truth after the first two versions misinform readers that Trump was just a normal candidate.)
Even their fact-checking is a joke. They recently “fact-checked” both Kamala and Trump and told readers that both said things that weren’t true!
When even Norman Ornstein notices how biased the NYT has become, there is a problem. I have no idea why this person is making his defense of the NYT so personal, but it’s just as suspicious, in my opinion, as his knee jerk attacks on critics of Eva Moskowitz. Why does he need to defend the NYT and Moskowitz from critics? Why does he have to launch personal insults at their critics? Your guess is as good as mine, but I wish it would stop.
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You’re doing way too much extreme close reading of newspaper articles. The word “streamlining” is mine here, and if the story used it, it was not used to make the point that Trump was doing some wonderful streamlining that would be really sleek and streamlined and awesome. The point was (is) that Trump and his team were working expressly toward the goal of having as little policy as possible in the platform. Draw your own conclusions.
But please log off nytimes.com before you go any further down the rabbit hole! Get some distance and perspective.
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FLERP,
I read the NYT livestream coverage of the DNC tonight, and maybe it’s just me, but some of the comments were very snarky. For example, Biden said Trump wants to cut Medicare and Soxial Security, and the Times corrected him, saying Trump said he didn’t want to do that. My belief is that Trump continually lies. I believe he would raise the retirement age and find a way to cut Medicare. I wondered why they accept his word as evidence of anything.
A few other comments bothered me and seemed hypercritical.
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dienne77– I’ll freely admit Harris’ reputation as prosecutor had me cross her off my list of Dem primary candidates I was interested in back in 2020. My POV on that is tempered in retrospect, realizing the context [summer of Floyd protests]. At this point if I were concerned, I would research the whole ball of wax and get a better sense of the specifics you bring up, as well as the surrounding context [i.e. whole career including DA of SF and A/G of CA]. But– I’ll freely admit that now I view that strictly transactionally: it’s nice to have a candidate running against Trump with a reputation as “tough on crime.” So sue me.
The ‘border czar’ trope doesn’t move me. I’m aware of what she was sent to do; she did it, & provided input for legislation as well as initiation of a couple of programs. I don’t care how Repubs misrepresent it or who buys into that.
I am not concerned about her stance on health insurance. Press/ public tries to get everyone on one side [M4all] or the other [priv ins only]. Tho some like to depict her stance as ‘waffling,’ it strikes me more as nuanced. What sets us apart from the rest of the OECD is that our natl program is private, period. But W Europe, Canada & others whose systems we admire are mostly not purely govt-provided. Nearly all of them have a mix, or at least options for private: these systems cost nearly half ours & have better health outcomes.
Fracking is a more interesting subject. My instinct is “ban,” but I would have to learn a lot more about the subject before a took a position.
Does she need to get more into specifics than she has so far? I don’t think so. Headlining preferred policies is sufficient. It’s premature to get into the details before we know how the makeup of Congress lines up.
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dienne77– oh, p.s., I meant to include: you said her latest list of policy pronouncements convinces us here that she’s going to be a progressive president. I can’t speak for others, but that is not my impression. I look at the whole Kamala package. I have always thought of her as a center-left candidate– slightly to the left of Biden, but not “progressive.” I see her latest list of policies purely as a “wish list,” which she may or may not push hard as President. Standard campaign fare, but I find what she emphasizes useful in gauging where she differs from Biden.
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Diane
I sure hope you’re right.
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Diane: I thought Harris’ recent speech in PA was pretty clear about where she was going. It was general, like supporting the middle class as a touchstone, women’s medical rights, and much more.
She talked some details but also set out the general framework and direction nicely in a brief but clear way. Also, detailed policy talk can get candidates bogged down AT THIS STAGE of the election process, and defensiveness about the particular past only feeds the right-wing distraction mill (from Trump’s massive mountain of lies and from the 2025 plans).
Also, even telling the whole truth gets politicians in trouble especially when so much is at stake. The other side uses every logical fallacy to take it apart, select and exaggerate only what can be interpreted as negative (even if it isn’t), ignore the good, the context, or what the person actually meant or did, and generally make whatever the person says into political meat for the nasty dogs on the other side. And in our case now, lies on national and international media flow like rivers.
BTW, I really like her and Tim and think they are genuine aka: the real deal.
Also, BTW, did you know that Trump said he is better looking than Harris? It appears to me that he thinks everyone else is a VANE as he is. I know everyone here was worried about the competition in looks. CBK
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Josh Marshall is yet another one of those people that some folks here belittle and attack because he notices the extreme double standard that so-called liberal media has.
Where is the call for Trump to offer detailed policy? Does anyone here really profess ignorance of what Kamala Harris plans to do? Is there some mystery here? She will continue the good economic policies of Biden, with some positive additions that she may or may not be able to get through. She will sign — not veto — progressive legislation that the House and Senate can get passed.
Meanwhile, Trump continues to spew nonsense and he never offers up a plan. He holds faux press conferences where he rants for long periods and never answers any questions about his policies and despite his long history of lying about having secret plans that somehow never materialize, the media simply presents this as normal while bashing Kamala Harris for not offering detailed policies they can pick apart.
I am glad that most Americans aren’t being fooled. The ones who claim to be concerned are the folks who would rather have Trump than an evil Democrat and their sudden concern for “policy” is just another lie where Kamala could have Bernie Sanders and AOC giving policy details and these democracy-haters would still say they are all liars and they don’t care if Trump or neo-Nazis win as long as those evil Dems get destroyed forever.
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Nice spin, but fiction at best
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I must admit that I was snookered by the reports of Kamala Harris as a lightweight, and was terrified that Biden would drop out and leave us with Harris, or worse, divided loyalties, thereby giving the election to Trump.
i was been ecstatic that this has not been the case. Kamala Harris has proven her abilities to me, and her selection of Tim Walz has demonstrated that. I am thrilled to support Harris/Walz
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where was Kamala’s “proven abilities” during the 2020 primaries? Only 1-2% of the vote? Then gets assigned as ole joe’s running mate. Those DEI & Willie Brown connections really paid off.
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Harry,
Kamala performed poorly in 2020. You are right about that. It was courageous of Biden to choose her as his running mate. Yet they won by 7 million votes! She has grown and matured since 2020. Now she has charisma, is deeply knowledgeable about the issues, and has a contagious sense of joy. If you watch any of her campaign rallies, you will see thousands of ecstatic admirers. It’s a new day in America!
Vote for the prosecutor, not the convicted felon and insurrectionist!
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Diane
Harris in her earlier days as the Cal state DA, was convicting people of petty charges. During the 2020 riots, she urged bail fund donations for the mobs so they could get out to riot some more. She went from hard on crime to soft on crime.
Biden did not select her. She was picked and assigned to be his running mate by the DNC, even though she accused Joe of being a racist during the 2020 primaries. How does that happen?
We’ll never know if Trump led the insurrection any more than if the Democrats led insurrection riots of 2020. It’s all hearsay. Trump was convicted by a radical leftist kangaroo court out to sabotage and smear his campaign. Both Letitia James and Alvin Bragg received huge money from George Soros to get him. It’s now the way campaigns are run. Don’t cover the policies, just smear’em to eliminate’em.
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Harry,
The candidate chooses his running mate, not the DNC.
We know that Trump led the insurrection. I followed him on Twitter at the time. He sent out a tweet that said “Come to DC. Will be wild!” His rabid followers did as he requested. He then urged his assembled followers to march on the Capitol and “fight like hell or you won’t have a country anymore.” I saw it with my own eyes.
He then sat in his quarters at the White House and watched the mob break into the Capitol. He did not call out the National Guard. He sat for three hours and did nothing while his mob beat up police and searched for legislators. He was called by many of his allies who pleaded with him to call off the mob. When he did, they immediately left.
Why didn’t he tell them not to enter the seat of government? Why didn’t he call them off as soon as they did? If he had, they would have pulled back at once. Several lives would have been saved.
Trump loves violence as long as he is safely away from it.
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are you ready to give the same pass to the Dems for the 2020 riots that they not only ignored, but even supported. The autonomous zone in Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland, SF all burned. Police, innocent civilians, businesses, government buildings ransacked into oblivion. Some of which is even happening today. As an educator, you should be embarrassed by the disgusting filth that’s plaguing our college campuses.
if Harris loses, maybe the leftist Nazis will have an insurrection of their own.
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No, Harry, I don’t approve of any riot.
Riots are dangerous. I respect the police. I disapprove of police brutality.
Do you disapprove of a president attempting to overthrow the Constitution so he can stay in power?
Do you disapprove of lying for nearly four years and refusing to admit you lost? Trump sued in more than 60 state and federal courts and lost every challenge.
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Wow, Flerp! I just reread my comment. No wonder you called me out on it. I still would be interested in other voices who are really familiar with the editorial policy of NYT.
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I wasn’t intending to call you out. Was just following up.
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You were gentle. Typed conversations lose something in translation that a chat over a cup of coffee eliminates.
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NYC parent is a lost puppy. Kid surely doesnt go to science or stuyvesant lol. Biden hid in the basement and Harris has paid trolls and paid people coming to rallies and to buy doritos. Harris is an imbescile with no policies or any way to describe them. You are voting now for communism you skipped socialism. How scary the liberal disease is a mental illness (Bob and Lloyd for sure).
Trump will close border again, energy independent, watch our oil and gas fall back to 1.80 again, people are through with this joke of a dem “party” they will steal the election again. Paper ballots and Trump gets 110 million easy.
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Lina,
How did you feel about the January 6 insurrection? Were you inside the Capitol that day? Were you chanting “Hang Mike Pence!!”?
Do you want Trump to grab you by the p***y?
Have you ever had an abortion? Do you know anyone who has? How do you like the idea of a national abortion ban?
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Actually, the U.S. is currently pumping more oil and gas than at any time in history.
Just curious, Lina: how do you define “communism”? Do you know what it means or are you just throwing out a scare word?
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Still bringing up j6 nonsense, the unselect committee destroyed all the evidence and pelosi admitted on video it was her fault not getting 10,000 guards, so please stop this rhetoric. National ban on abortions? You mean let it be run by the states? Last time I checked there are over 50 of them.
I dont want Joe Biden showering with his daughter or acutally sniffing and inappropriately touching kids then Trump just getting caught on hot mic “speaking”
Harris had 1% polling with nothing accomplished in 4 years but now you believe she will fix the country haha.
Bob yes gas was 1.88, not 3.35 paying now. Sadly, you rather have 50% gas inflation %25 air 22% rent 30% food 55% car insurance. Makes sense
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Lina,
J6 was not nonsense. It was an effort by a defeated president to overthrow the Constitution so he could cling to his office. He was and is such a narcissist that he could not admit defeat. So he gathered stupid people like you to DC and urged them to march on the U.S. Capitol, where Congress was ceremonially certifying his loss. His mob attacked the forces of law and order and ransacked the seat of the nation’s government.
He should have been disqualified from ever running for office again, as the Constitution says.
A rigged Supreme Court protected this miscreant fomentor of rebellion against the Constitution.
As for inflation, it happened everywhere in the world because of the pandemic.
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You are so profoundly misinformed that it would take forever to explain to you why everything you say is utter nonsense, and even if God herself came down and did this, you wouldn’t believe it because, clearly, you are a brainwashed Trump cult member. Get help.
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I would actually block these commenters from the blog. They are not real people—they are pure trolls, likely only just one or possibly two people. They say nothing worth responding to. And engaging them serves their purpose.
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FLERP, I will take your advice.
I thought it was amusing to let them show how stupid they are. How else to see the MAGA mind?
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I thought so initially too. But it’s clear it’s just one or two people posting the same stupid content over and over.
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Note to Lina in “her” alternative facts universe: oil and gas production are WAY up under the Biden administration. But please don’t let facts from this universe interfere with your blinkered ideology and Glorious Orange Leader worship.
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Gas was $1.80 under Trump? Wow. And here I thought that Barack Obama was president in 2009, which was the last time that the average price of gasoline was $1.80. Hmmm. Maybe Trump can shape shift and look like Barack Obama. Or maybe you are wildly wrong. Gee. Which is more likely?
ROFL.
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–The chronically sane and informed Bob Shepherd
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Lina,
Every single sentence you wrote in the above paragraph is a lie. Every single one.
You sound like a very weird and insecure person and why you would invoke what school a commenter’s kid attended is truly weird indeed and I’m sorry for you that your rabid insecurity was exposed, but you did it to yourself.
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Again, Lina, the last time the average price of gasoline in the United States was $1.80 a gallon was during the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. This information is actually available online if you would bother to Google it instead of just pulling figures out of your [resembles mouth of Donald Trump].
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Thank you CBK.
Yeah, Trump is better looking than… Kamala.
He just just keeps out-stupiding himself.
Remember “what about-ism?”
Everytime Trump’s outrageous spontaneous emissions occur, let’s call them “He’s a schmuck-isms.”
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I assume you wrote facetiously, but I assert without qualification that Kamala is better-looking than Trump. He was good-looking as a young man, but now he’s an obese, balding old man.
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Good looking as a young man? Then why did he have to purchase “companionship.” I think that he always, in his adult life, looked like a flabby, pudgy, pampered rich boy. Or, in a word: Ewwwww.
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Hanz and/or Franz would agree about the flab. Tiptoe around young Trump or risk being caught in a flabalanche.
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Bob: It IS a “serious problem.” But it’s not the “only way” someone can win an election. (Who said that it was?)
Also, threading the needle and discernments in steering become serious tools when the other side is not exactly a bunch of genuine partners in honest political discourse.
MAGA is going to think what it wants anyway depending on what Murdoch and the billionaires want; so, giving them ammunition becomes . . . NOT the venue of the honest person trying to truthfully inform the public . . . but of the blind naive optimist inviting in the murderers and loading THEIR guns.
But yes, when honest dialogue and warty but not deadly truth telling becomes poisonous to highly qualified, (good looking), and well-suited people running for political office, we are involved in a serious problem.
We are in the Trump era. . . so what else is new? CBK
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Regarding wherever Harris stands in articulating her policies, Trump is so extraordinarily noxious that he defies the expression: “The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.”
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So right, Fred. Anyone But Trump. The devil you don’t know is far more appealing than the one we know.
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How do we start a BOYCOTT THE NEW YORK TIMES movement.
Seriously–organize, invite contributions, create and sell merchandise (caps, tee shirts, mugs etc.)
Write Op-Eds. Encourage readers to unsubscribe.
Hit them in the pocket book.
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Go for it!
Lord, the number of people I see on both the left and the right talking about how they are going to boycott the NYT. The problem is approximately zero of them actually subscribe to the paper, which makes the threat pretty empty. It reminds me of the anti woke warriors who say that Harvard and Yale etc have destroyed their brand and a degree from those institutions is useless. Meanwhile Harvard and Yale etc continue to drown in applications, their academic reputations unscathed.
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Harris is a Clintonian centrist, or at least she was when a senator from my state. Running on support for the Bush-Clinton, bipartisan past is dangerous. None but billionaire tech bros want that. I hope Harris leaned into Biden’s domestic policy doctrine. I hope the Democrats don’t tie her to the Clinton and Obama administrations too much during the Convention. She needs to be independent of the conservative One Party past. Biden is the great president who should be her closest supporter among living presidents. Her policies should be a lot like his. After all, the reason he isn’t running is his age, not his policies. The Biden platform is a winning platform.
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I believe that Kamala has evolved.
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LCT, based on what she has said and her choice of VP, I feel confident that she will not adopt the Clinton-Bush-Obama policies.
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Diane: This is in response to what you wrote at 3:47 PM 8/19 about writing a post as to calling not 45 out on its lies.
This is why we need Rachel Scott (she’s the ABC Washington Correspondent , & she did an OUTSTANDING job when she was assigned to interview it at the Black Journalists Convention in Chicago several weeks ago) to be the 2nd Moderator at the 9/10 Presidential Debate rather than Lindsey Davis (she subs on ABC World News for David Muir). She cut it off, she got him to make his ridiculous statements RE: Kamala “turning Black,” & she got him to repeat himself, then she continued to trip him up w/his “DEI” nonsense. How can we all write/convince ABC to have Rachel moderate? (& I’m not sure David Muir is the best choice either). What do you all think about Rachel?
(&, you know, why are 2 moderators needed?)*Have any of you ever been to a League of Women Voters Candidates Forum? They’re some of the best moderators around, well-trained to do these.
*Some of the very worst moderators have been news “personalities.” The woman (name Kristen Welker–?) who does “Meet the Press” (& she’s not great on that, either) did a beyond awful job.
& another really great moderator l’m thinking of was a local news guy on a Colorado station: he did the Primary Debate for CO CD4 (or 2-?) w/Lauren Boebert & 4-5 others, all men, & he REALLY held their feet to the fire! His name is Ryan something, & they showed a clip of “how it SHOULD be done” on “Real Time w/Bill Maher.” (If someone knows that clip & can link it, can you post it?) Diane, maybe it could go into that post you’re planning to do.
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