On Monday, we started watching the Kamala & Tim rally in Philadelphia an hour early. We couldn’t wait! The arena at Temple University was packed, and the crowd was excited. We shared their excitement, watching at home.
Josh Shapiro was terrific, dynamic, and passionate in introducing the candidates. I thought, “This guy has a great future ahead of him. He might be President in eight years.” But I was glad Kamala didn’t choose him to run with her, because the ticket will be bombarded with racism and misogyny; it doesn’t need the additional handicap of anti-Semitism. Also, I was turned off by his support for vouchers; Republicans do that, not Democrats.
What was enthralling about the Philly event and the rally in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, was the euphoria. The large crowds cheered and applauded with ebullience.
They chanted “We won’t go back!”
When JD Vance’s name was mentioned, they chanted “He’s a weirdo!”
When Trump’s name was mentioned, the crowd chanted, “Lock him up!”
In Eau Claire, Kamala thanked President Biden for his fifty years of service, and the crowd chanted, “Thank you, Joe!“
The crowds cheered every reference to restoring the right of women to control their bodies. They cheered their support for gay rights. They cheered the importance of clean air and clean water. They cheered her pledge to pass gun control legislation. They cheered her promise to sign voting rights legislation. They cheered the candidates’ pledge to champion unions and to build the middle class. Kamala said, “When the middle class is strong, America is strong,” and the crowd cheered louder.
Ebullience! Enthusiasm! Energy!
Something transformative is happening in the race and to the Democratic Party. People are ready to work for this ticket, ready to turn the country in a direction that serves the people, not big corporations.
A political party that was divided and fearful has been transformed in only weeks into a mass of people willing to march, cheer, sign up new voters, dig deep, and turn this country towards the future.
Two things stand out.
First, MAGA is a backward-looking movement, longing for the days of white Christian male supremacy, when men ran the world, and women had babies and stayed in the kitchen. Kamala says: “We are not going back!” and she paints a picture of building a nation with a better future for everyone.
Second, there is a striking difference in tone between the two parties. The Republican candidates are angry, humorless, bitter, and vengeful; their candidates scowl. The Democrats are happy, joyous, and excited; their candidates laugh and are enjoying the experience.
One party is fading, the other is energized.
Hope is in the air.
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Still not a word of policy, I note.
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Everything she said was policy.
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Then it should be easy to summarize that policy and put it on a website, no? Easy enough to utter pleasing soundbites to a crowd. Some of us want substance.
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Here you go:
Codify a woman’s right to choose.
Pass laws supporting unions.
Protect the environment.
Support gay rights.
Pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.
Pass gun control legislation, including background checks and a ban on AR-15 type assault weapons.
Watch her speeches. Her policies are there. Read the Democratic Playform, which will be released before the convention.
There is no secret or mystery.
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So, you mean all the things that Biden, Obama and Clinton promised but never delivered?
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Please stay home, Dienne. Don’t vote. No one cares how you vote.
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Then don’t blame me (or the left) when Kamala loses. Apparently no one cares how 100,000 Arabs in Michigan vote either. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
https://x.com/sopjap/status/1821421308409679916
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If the electorate votes for Trump, it’s no victory for Arab-Americans. Trump has given Netanyahu the green light to do whatever he wants.
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Don’t say you weren’t warned about what Trump’s election in 2016 would do to the Supreme Court. Bernie Sanders warned you and in 2020 you were insulting him as a lying sell out who shouldn’t be trusted.
Don’t say you weren’t warned about the 2025 Project. Bernie Sanders has warned you.
Don’t say you weren’t warned about what it will be like for LGBTQ kids, especially trans kids.
This is ridiculous — the person who is wrong about Putin is telling us that unless she has a guarantee that can NEVER happen with any candidate unless they do what Trump does and spurns democracy, she won’t support them.
Meanwhile, we hear from other trolls that because Kamala has a VP who is TOO progressive instead of Josh Shapiro, she will lose.
The truth is that neither of these folks professing to be angry at the Dems because they didn’t move to the center or because they are not progressive enough was ever going to vote for a Democrat.
Read closely folks. Trump is a “buffoon” but not a worry for them. The Supreme Court didn’t matter to them in 2016. Having a far right government didn’t matter to them — it’s a joke to them to preserve democracy.
A “buffoon” isn’t dangerous, but Trump and the people he has already empowered and the new ones who will empower are dangerous to democracy.
But fans of Putin aren’t fans of democracy. They aren’t fans of working to convince voters to support them. Instead they traffic in the kind of hate we see here. What’s wrong with Harris/Walz? Nothing except they might win, and that isn’t acceptable — but Trump is.
The hatred here is shocking. It’s always directed at Dems and never the right wing who have caused so much harm.
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So has Biden and Kamala has given no indication she will break with him.
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Seriously, what’s up with that?
She’s all about policy, positive, and enthusiasm.
The other guy wouldn’t know a policy or care if it was one if he ran into it. He doesn’t do policy; he does trump.
And, the 40 year old chameleon VP candidate (he hates trump; he loves trump…) only policy is blame and attack.
Annotate their speeches. VP Harris is about facts, details, positions (like ’em or not), and policy. EX pres Trump’s are filled with blame, disdain, attacks, what’s good for Trump and a lot of superlatives with no substance (the greatest plan ever, a spectacular large crowd…)
Policy? VP wants to lead the country with its all over the place opinions (as a democracy should be). EX pres wants ratings and an emmy.
Not a word of policy? C’mon.
omg. I just read your responses below.
“Some of us want substance” – Send the readers here ONE SENTENCE OF SUBSTANCE from the ex president beyond a headline “He has a plan” “I’ll build a wall” “Crime is bad”
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My g-d, is this the only response you people can come up with? I said nothing about Trump. Trump’s a buffoon – he’s not worth bothering with. If Democrats could come up with – and deliver – some actual substance besides “not Trump”, Trump would have been history ages ago.
In any case, that was a lot of words and yet you too didn’t say a word about Harris’ policies. Care to direct me to where I can find them on her website?
Bernie had pages and pages of detailed policies complete with funding the day he declared his candidacy, and yet you people still claimed he lacked substance. But now that Harris doesn’t have a policy page anywhere to be found suddenly going policy-less is all the rage. The funny thing is, it’s not really even hypocrisy because you’re completely unaware of the contradiction. You sing the songs you’re told to sing. SMH.
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Dienne,
You have become predictable and not interesting.
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Dare I say it? Dienne is weird.
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Personally I think it’s weird that a woman who’s been VPOTUS for over 3.5 years doesn’t have a publicly available list of her policies ready to go. What has she stood for the last three and a half years? And did it not occur to her that she might inherit her boss’s job? If my boss were in his eighties and I wanted his job, I’d have all necessary documents continuously updated in an email file accessible at all times. But maybe that’s just me.
And what I find even weirder is how excited liberals are to vote for a woman who either doesn’t stand for anything or can’t articulate it. But I guess it doesn’t matter when your only core value is “not Trump”. You do you.
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Obviously you have never watched Kamala speak. She articulates her priorities and polices eloquently.
You can judge Trump by Project 2025, compiled by his aides.
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Haha, you are a laugh riot, Dienne. It has been 20 days since it was announced Harris would be running for president – with 3-1/2 mos to go before general election. She has managed in those 20 days to get a campaign team together, vet candidates & choose a running mate, and make a series of public appearances including now 2 campaign rallies. But, oh goshers, she hasn’t got “pages and pages of detailed policies complete with funding” at her fingertips, as Bernie did when declaring his candidacy [1-1/2 yrs before 11/8/16 election]??
Voters, given the circumstances, will have to make do with the list of broad-brush policy positions she is presenting at each public appearance– sans “details and funding.” I think we can manage.
For those who prefer to vote only based on highly-detailed policies, there’s always Project 2025…
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Thank you, Bethree!
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As for the idea a VP “should” have pages of their own policy positions at the fingertips– consider the job. It’s to support the President’s policies. Savvy voters will be listening to see where she varies from those policies. Start with the policy positions she’s been enunciating in each public appearance. Those are her priorities.
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Dienne77. it’s never about policy with the left, it’s all about pushing their radical SJW victim hood agendas.
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Ah, at last, someone to defend Dienne’s views. A Trumper who hates the left.
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Liberals are not the left. The left are the ones demanding policy, not personality.
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Give it a rest, will you? Playing only one note is no way to do music.
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dienne77: I think Kamala has a better sense of timing and caring for a close relationship than you are aware of–comparing her preparation with Bernie’s is a misnomer when understood in the different contexts. She has worked closely with a person of integrity for several years now.
I would like Harris less if she acted like Trump would. . . as if she just couldn’t wait to jump into Biden’s shoes and to personally “throw him under the bus” instead of giving the situation of their close relationship the timing that affords both of them the integrity they both embody, not to mention the optics. This is not The Simpson’s.
But I think it more likely I would enjoy progress in explaining mathematics to my cat. CBK
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This White Dude for Harris agrees. This team is on fire and the country is feeling it!
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if Harris loses, our cities will be fire, bet on it.🔥🔥🔥🔥
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This is the increasingly open threat of violence that is the calling card of Putin-serving fascist theocrats like Harry. Go back to “X” Harry where Elon serves up the kind of lies and hate that energize your sad life.
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If there’s any consolation, it’s that you are always wrong.
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I love it when Righties talk about “The City”. Righties are terrified of cities and avoid them like the plague.
And yet millions of people live in America’s cities, and work in them, and have no desire to leave.
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greaat summation! Thanks.
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I love the chant “Thank you, Joe!” after all the ugly negative chants of the last 8 years.
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The Democratic Party was on life support, and now there is renewed enthusiasm for a better future. The Harris Walz ticket is the exact dose of adrenaline that the party needed. They exude positive energy, but they do not shy away from going on the offense. They can criticize extremism without being combative. I hope the momentum and campaign donations continue to flow in because the radical right continues to work behind the scenes in red states to figure out some bureaucratic scheme to undermine our free and fair election, if the results do not favor Trump.
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Good morning Diane and everyone,
I’m very excited about this election and I’m thinking about all the strong women who came before and paved the way for us today. Thanks to all the wonderful women in my family (and the men and women who loved and supported them) for being great role models and mentors. Let’s pay it forward whenever we can!
I Am Woman – Helen Reddy (youtube.com)
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Mamie: Yes, but an acquaintance of mine said he didn’t like the way Kamala “fidgets with her hands; but don’t just read those words, say them with a suspicions sound in your voice and you’ll capture the tone.
So, I said to him, if I liked Trump, I’d vote for him even though when he continually moves his hands back and forth in front of him, as if he were packing dry sand, it drives me crazy. And don’t just read those words . . . say them with resignation in your voice, as if in the face of hopeless stupidity, and you’ll capture my tone. CBK
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This is so sad:
“But I was glad Kamala didn’t choose him to run with her, because the ticket will be bombarded with racism and misogyny; it doesn’t need the additional handicap of anti-Semitism.”
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It is sad, but it is the world today. Candidates go under a microscope, and some of the responses to them are biased. Even squeaky clean Walz’s service record is being spun in an unflattering way by some right wing groups.
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Diane Ravitch and others with her mindset will label any disagreement with Harris racist and misogynistic. Almost all the anti-Semitism being expressed these days comes from the far Left/pro-Hamas elements.
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Go on Twitter and you can find absolutely frothing Jew-hate on the right. The Fuentes wing of the GOP.
The activist left does have an antisemitism problem, in my view, but the idea that Dems are more antisemitic than Republicans is ridiculous. Let me know when the GOP has a Jewish vice-presidential nominee, as the Dems have had.
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Twitter comprises a very low percentage of the population. Anti-semitism is much greater these days on the Left because Muslims are overwhelmingly Democratic voters, and a high percentage of Muslims hate the existence if Israel, with many of them hating all Jews. Secular Democrats are rarely anti-Semitic, even if they don’t much like Israel.
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Kirk,
I am Jewish. I can assure you that the dramatic rise in anti-Semitism comes from right and left. The KKK is alive and well, only now it’s called white Christian nationalism. Anti-Semitism never goes away.
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Show your data for your accusations. Legitimate data.
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Republican anti-Semites like Kirk – the ones who hate high ranking Jewish Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Merrick Garland – spew their right wing lies that it is the Democrats who are anti-Semites, when it is the Republican party that has embraced neo-Nazi, white supremacists. Their support for Israel is as Trump’s love of his Jewish son-in-law — as soon as a scapegoat is necessary, they will be the first to be thrown under the bus. You already hear them spewing ugly conspiracy theories about Jewish bankers and the man they believe is the source of all evil – George Soros.
The 2025 Project is about building the Christian, Jewish-free nation of Aryan dreams.
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there are a number of white & Jewish liberals who are trapped in that guilty complex syndrome. They have to always attach race & misogyny to every debate. Always playing the victim card.
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Sure, Harry, Jewish liberals believe that there was and is racism and misogyny in the U.S. wherever did they get that idea? Maybe they took too many history classes, read too many books, watched too many documentaries on PBS.
Having an education instead of Hillsdale-style indoctrination, does open your eyes to racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and other forms of hatred.
Unfortunately there are people like you who remain blissfully innocent of actual events in our history. Ignorance does not cancel truth.
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Kirk Hauser– There is no need– practically speaking– to make claims about which party has more anti-semitic voters among them. Big picture on US voters is, per polls only 2% even count “foreign policy” in their list of top 10 issues considered when voting for Prez.
The only thing in this election that matters is: how big is the Muslim voter registration in the swing states, and what % of them would be disaffected enough by very-strong support of Israel in the Gaza war that they might sit home or vote 3rd party. (Very few will vote for Reps.)
This is key: various polls show that since start of Gaza war, US Muslim voters favoring Dems have dropped from 50% to 17%.
MI – 200+k Muslim voters. Biden won by 154k
PA – 168k Muslim voters. Biden won by 80,555.
AZ – 110k Muslim voters. Biden won by 10,547.
GA – 79k Muslim voters. Biden won by 11,779.
WI – 21k Muslim voters. Biden won by 20,662.
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Hope is definitely in the air!
we won’t go back!
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yep, say hello to more open borders, soft on crime policies, continuing anti white, anti Jew, anti Christian, etc, ideology.
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Kamala and Tim are anti-white? Haha!
Anti-Semitic? Kamala is married to a Jew. Did you know that?
Anti-Christian? Tim Walz and his wife and family are real Christians, so is Kamala.
Harry, educate yourself or go away.
I welcome all kinds of views but not stupidity.
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Yes, even worse, The joy of hip hop will go unrestrained, IVF will become an epidemic, weird cultism will be decimated and it will once again be morning in America.
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Harry: Are you aware that Congress had a bi-partisan border bill that was ready to pass, when Trump picked up the phone and called his pod-people in that same Congress to call it off . . . and they did.
Why? Because when the election came alone, Trump could still blame the border issues on Biden. And if the border was made better, then Biden would get the credit for it. And Trump couldn’t have that.
And now, every time a Republican complains about the border, I know hypocrisy and the GOP are one again. CBK
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To Harry, 8/8 @ 6:20 PM:
Ah, the “more open borders” argument. You conveniently forget that the Biden Administration came up w/a bill & a sensible solution, which the Republicans MIGHT have passed…had not it45 intervened & TOLD them to vote against it (because it didn’t want this problem to be solved by the Biden Administration before it45 would naturally be elected as it47), & the Groveling Odd Psychophants (purposely spelled this way) fell into line w/whatever it45 wanted.
The tragedy of the border situation could have been solved months ago…but, no, just because it45 said no.
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retiredbutmissthekids– According to what I’ve read, there were definitely enough Rep to pass that bill, because Dems bit their tongues & agreed to elements they have not before caved on. That bill would have passed, had it not been for Trump-deus-ex-machina putting the kabosh on it.
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Sam Seder discussed the coalition of educator groups that lobbied against Shapiro because of his voucher support on the Majority Report. NPE among other groups were mentioned. I’m hoping that all Democratic politicians get the message. Support of vouchers has no place in the democratic party.
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Well, Bob, you were right. We needed for Biden to pass the torch, which he did with grace as well as political skill. I am so excited by the Harris/Walz ticket. Not only am I wowed with the way Kamala is leading, but I can’t be more pleased/relieved that she chose Tim Walz. I was holding my breath that she would choose him to be her VP. If I drank beer, I would love to sit down with him. Trump and Vance really look like a (bad) joke next to Kamala and Tim.
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Happy days are here again,
The sky above is clear again.
Let us sing a song of cheer again…
Ka-ris-ma and the Coach vs Grumpy and Creepy hahahaha
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And we have not had the convention yet. What a good place to use Walz to come out strongly for your public school. I know the Federal contribution to local education is small, but the presidency is a bully pulpit.
The convention always raises the profile of the party that puts it on. Then a sustained push over three months to the end, with a lot of get out the vote.
Then there will be a surprise in October, of course. They have already started the swift-boating.
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Like many here, I share in the excitement. However, I am disappointed by the cussing and wish that they, as leaders, would at least refrain from doing so publicly. To be clear, I’m not offended by the cussing, but I find it unbecoming. I think Walz is great, and wish he wouldn’t drop so many “hells” and “damns” in his speeches. I actually lost respect for Josh Shipiro when he told the crowd he gets up every day with three letters in mind: “G,S,D… getting sh*t done.” That’s trashy language. (He could have just as easily said “getting stuff done.”) I mean that is one of George Carlin’s Seven Words You Can’t Say on Television that were part of a Supreme Court case, but now it seems some of those words are continually creeping into and trashing the language used in public discourse. Personally I would be embarrassed and ashamed to let such words slip out or to deliberately use them while addressing a public audience, and that definitely includes the classroom. Of course Trump cusses like that (and worse) in his public speeches, but I have come to expect such ungentlemanly behavior from him.
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I thought Shapiro’s choice of words could have been better as well. He is an enthusiastic speaker, but he seemed to be trying to hard to seem “cool.” At best it seemed awkward and inappropriate.
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You obviously haven’t been in middle or high school lately. Those kids swear all the time. The f word and more and right in front of teachers and administrators. I ask the kids all the time if they plan on speaking that way in job interviews, to their bosses, in written documents, etc. Yes, they say they do and that, “it’s just words.” So…there you have it. That’s the future.
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Hi Mamie,
I don’t even allow students to say “sucks” in the classroom (and I’m younger than Shipiro). I’ve taught every age, including graduate students, but most of my career has been in middle school.
But you’re correct; many of the students don’t even seem to realize there’s anything inappropriate about cussing, and this is probably due to the increasingly casual use of vulgar language even on regular network shows. So if students don’t know it’s inappropriate, it looks like it’s up to us to teach them otherwise. If students actually say they intend to speak and write that way in their jobs, they may not be employable in most workplaces.
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I can try to teach them but the 200 minutes a week spent with me can’t beat the hours and hours of social media, parents, friends, etc that they listen to all the time. I remember being in a department store dressing room listening to an 8 year old girl ask her mom if “shit” was a swear word. Mom didn’t seem to think so. Teachers can only do so much.
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I agree. What I do is teach that there is a decorum in my classroom and insist upon it. Hopefully, that will transfer to other situations in students’ lives. As with anything (including our hope that students will read on their own), there’s only so much we can do. Keep up the good fight!
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I was at a high school graduation ceremony 20 years ago. The speaker was a well-regarded sociologist who had written a book about educational inequities that disfavored Black students. He stirred controversy when he said that kids should stifle their non-standard English (Ebonics?) and go into interviews with a copy of the NYTimes.
Today he would probably say don’t show how “woke” you are or post pictures of yourselves smoking joints.
In other words, learn to play the game–even in this age of anything goes.
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Diane
Harris is married to a LIBERAL Jew. And if Walz is a real “Christian”, he’s got a strange way of showing it.
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Harry,
Most though not all Jews are liberal. That’s what a heritage of bigotry can do: make you aware of injustice.
That’s why most Jews vote Democratic. Of the Jews in Congress, almost all are Democrats.
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Diane.
you are mostly right, except Orthodox Jews lean towards the Republican Party. But I’m wondering how those Dem jews in congress felt about Jewish students being bullied, threatened, and even assaulted on our college campuses over the last 10 months, when it was obvious those radical punks were Dem supporters.
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Diane.
who had that green light on Oct 7th?
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Harry,
The only green light on October 7 came from Netanyahu, who removed the troops from Gaza to the West Bank, to protect aggressive settlers.
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Diane.
who attacked who FIRST on oct 7th?
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We all find it weird that dems have concerts and not policies at events , twerking yay. Weird how Kamala just cackles. Weird that walz left armed services way he did, wants parents separated from kids , he has strong ties in 90s with China, wants to give illegals drivers licenses. Most weird of all walz in 1995 was taken to the hospital for over ingestion of horse SEMEN.
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Wait what?! Weird that you don’t find Trump’s litany of behavioral disorders and psychological flaws far more disturbing than twerking… Has anyone checked him for syphilis?
Glad you are so clear-eyed about Harris and Walz’ shortcomings.
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On Thursday Trump complained at length about the size of crowds attending Kamala’s rallies. He insisted that his crowds were much, much larger.
This despite the fact that Kamala packed every seat in the Temple U arena, after a rally for Trump where the entire upper deck was empty.
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Diane, We’re missing the obvious.
Trump is laying the grounds for an insanity defense..
His old doctor will write a note saying the bone spurs have traveled to his head.
Who needs immunity when you can plead insanity.
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Wow! Really? Horse semen? In 1995, Walz was making a teacher’s salary, so we know that’s not possible.
I mean look at these horse semen prices!
Story debunked…
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Yes, the horse semen story is a total hoax.
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I will never, never forgive you for making me Google “tim walz” and “horse semen”.
Which led to the expected denouement that this particularly gross meme is 100% Pure-D fiction courtesy of Don Jr.
What a classy bunch, the Trumps. And Republicans writ large. You up your ante with a Republican lie about Walz’s military service.
Maybe someday you can gaze up with adoration at Trump’s eyes and ask, “What did you do in the war, Daddy?”
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LISA–
1.You can find complete details on timing of Walz retirement from Natl Guard in Diane’s 8/9 post on subject + more detail in comments. A decision to pursue Congressional campaign instead of Natl Guard at a point when he was advised his unit might be included in a partial mobilization sometime during the next 2 yrs – and he was 41yo with very young children. If he had retired at 20 yrs like most, there would have been nothing to even question.
2.The 2023 MN law Walz signed does not change when the state can take custody from parents, not does it enable the state to take away custody of parents in connection with gender-affirming care.
3.Walz’s year of teaching in China (1989), then a decade of leading summer student trips to China, indicate interest and education in Chinese culture and history. Such exchanges were not unusual in the ’80s & ’90s, just after China & US opened diplomatic relations. Politically (as a Congressman) he was critical of the govt, and BTW met with both the Dalai Lama and Joshua Wong, the young democracy activist who was later jailed by the govt.
4.States allowing illegals to obtain drivers licenses: CA, CO, CT, DE, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NV, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, UT, VT, VA, WA.
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It’s good to allow undocumented to get drivers license because without one, they can’t get to jobs and work. If they work in agriculture, they must drive to work.
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It’s business owners who most back illegal immigration. Farmers especially, because they have a need for such labor at harvest time.
And that’s just as true in Florida as in any state.
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Who will pick the crops?
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Oh, Lisa! Apparently you haven’t been paying attention in your class in Republican Lies!
This should get you started: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/
You can now move on to the John Kerry Was Not A Hero Lie, the Pizzagate Lie, the Vince Foster Lie, The Vance “Stolen Valor” Vance lie, and all the other Republican lies that have been spawned down the ages.
These, by the way, are all knowing lies.
See, also, nearly the entire track record of the Republican House Majority Lies.
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Your Daily Trump Haiku:
ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
you’re going to lose
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Oh, I like this idea!
Sleep, baby Donald
November moon will wax– you?
Only in your dreams.
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Diane.
make our own spoiled brat American kids pick the crops.😊
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Harry,
Do your kids want to pick the crops? Do they want to labor in the hot Florida sun picking oranges and grapefruit? Would they like to labor in the vineyards picking grapes? How about working in meat packing plants with dangerous machinery? Many Republican states are lowering the age at which a teen can work to make up for the shortage of labor.
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Diane.
why not? I myself worked tobacco fields one summer at 13, picked apples, peaches and pears at 14 & 15, paid under the table. A lot of kids in my home town did the same thing. We also mowed lawns & shoveled driveways when we got the work.
I’m not saying that all of today’s kids are spoiled and brainwashed, but a growing number of them unfortunately are. As for the immigrants, let them come in LEGALLY and work, fine, I have no problem with it, but kids need to learn work ethic, merit, and responsibility.
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I agree. All immigrants should arrive legally. I also think there should be a path to citizenship for those immigrants who arrived illegally and have been good hard-working people for years. I say this because of personal experience. A Guatemalan immigrant I knew named Jose arrived illegally about 15 years ago. “Coyotes” brought him across the border. He came to the town on Long Island where I spend half the year and worked in construction. He learned plumbing, carpentry, electrical work, painting—everything to do with building a house. He was a careful worker and took pride in his work. He worked five days for a contractor who paid him $25 an hour. He worked for individuals on the sixth day, to make extra money. He devoted the seventh day to his church, where he played guitar and sang in the Spanish-language choir. He sent money home to his wife and two daughters. She was able to send them to school and college in Guatemala. After 15 years, Jose concluded he would never get a green card, and he went home. We lost a man who would have been a good and responsible citizen.
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Harry,
In the agricultural area where I spend the summer and fall, all the laborers are Hispanic immigrants. The local high school students will work in stores or restaurants but they absolutely do not work in the fields.
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Diane.
l feel bad for Jose. He should have gotten his green card since he proved himself. What’s bad is the migrants that come in and mooch, leech, and squat off the government. And yes, we’re getting more that have criminal records in their home countries. How much does this cost the taxpayers? According to F.A.I.R, we shell out about $150 billion to cover illegal immigration. And that was a year ago. This administration has refused to deport them for the obvious reasons, to buy their votes.
I grew up in the 60’s. Many kids worked the fields here and there along with other jobs. But more kids today just don’t want to get their hands dirty.
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Harry,
Undocumented immigrants can’t vote. It’s illegal. There is zero evidence that they voted in 2020.
There was literally no way for Jose to get a green card. None. I called an immigration lawyer and asked how he could get a green card. He said he could marry an American citizen. But he was already married and would not lie. Our immigration system is broken.
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Man, you really gotta get your facts straight.
Undocumented aliens don’t get government benefits. Because they’re undocumented.
In Chicago I met a number of undocumented aliens. They worked crap jobs for what we would consider peanuts. Those who had to fill out required paperwork to get a job never got tax refunds because they couldn’t tell the IRS who they were and where they lived.
I spent much of my career as a prosecutor. The only undocumenteds I had contact with were victims and witnesses. One murder case we had went unsolved for months and months – no one would talk. A couple of Tac officers brought a middle-aged hispanic in one day. He had seen the shooting. But he wouldn’t say anything without assurances that we wouldn’t turn him in. We told him we wouldn’t. He made the ID. The defendant pled guilty to murder.
Every undocumented I met worked like a slave and sent all their money home to feed their families who were still in Mexico, Central America and South America.
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Some immigrants work honest, hard and respect our laws/culture, while many DO NOT! Their costing the taxpayers over 50+ billion. This administration is flooding them in for for future votes, nothing more. If Harris gets in, it’ll get worse! More Soros $$ will produce more leftist DA’s who’ll continue their catch and release system that puts dangerous suspects right back on the street. Many sponge and leech off the taxpayers. Western countries are slowly turning themselves into banana republics.
as for you jsrtheta, you do the research. How convenient to completely IGNORE the crimes their committing. Venezuela emptying their jails, sending them here. More migrants flooding in than babies being born. Just admit it, you want those future votes with more government handouts to buy those votes. Good old ballot box stuffing.
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Perhaps you don’t understand how to argue facts.
Links and citations, please.
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Your first mistake is believing Trump.
Which, as this source makes clear, is a very bad bet:
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/crime-drop-in-venezuela-does-not-prove-trumps-claim-the-country-is-sending-criminals-to-u-s/
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Oh, and non-citizens aren’t allowed to vote in the U.S.
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first off, factcheck.org is a left leaning source. So their going to be biased what to cover and what to ignore.
illegals do vote, anybody can vote with a mail in ballot, no ID required. And if they don’t, they’ll be voting in the future. And they will remember where those freebies came from. Under Biden, 8+ million have poured in. With Harris, that’ll shoot past 10-12 million. It’s all part of the master plan.
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Illegals do not vote.
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The way to prove your point is with verifiable sources. The Venezuela allegations are the product of one Republican congressman, Troy Nehls. Nehls has been repeatedly called on to provide proof of them. He hasn’t.
Quelle surprise. Researching these allegations always comes down to Nehl’s claims. He refuses to document the claims. Typical. Republicans always harrumph and repeat their unsupported accusations. Kind of like Joe McCarthy and his list of communists. Which was blank.
Plus ca change…
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Do you live your whole life terrified of the ooga booga “illegals”? Why are you so afraid? And why do you believe a man who knows nothing about anything except ripping people off?
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If you paid attention to people who actually know what’s happening, you might be surprised.
As it is, you’ve presented nothing to substantiate your claims. And no, Trump is not a reliable source. For anything.
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factcheck.org is a left-leaning source. Use google and research all the articles, not just the ones that fit your agendas/narratives.
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You can just as easily do research and provide your sources that prove your point. I have better things to do than someone else’s research, which is what you’re supposed to do before you make an allegation, not after.
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Diane.
if illegals don’t vote, why do you Dems want them in so bad?
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Harry, we are a nation of immigrants. I am not afraid of them. My mother was an immigrant.
Non-citizens are not allowed to vote.
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Diane.
nothing wrong with LEGAL immigrants who work hard, respect our laws, but unfortunately there are the bad ones that come in to mooch, leech and sponge of the taxpayers and break the laws. You can refuse to believe it if you wish.
Do you favor deporting the illegal bad immigrants? Just curious.
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Harry,
I believe all immigrants should enter legally. We need a new immigration law. I support deporting undocumented immigrants who are criminals.
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Do you KNOW any undocumented immigrants? Because I am at a loss to see how they “leech” and “mooch” off the taxpayers.
The undocumenteds I have encountered are terrified of contact with the government. Because you can’t do much without a social security number.
No welfare, no unemployment compensation, nothing without that number. And you spend your life hiding.
The undocumented I have known worked like galley slaves, lived in slum housing with other undocumenteds, and sent every spare dime back to their families so those families can eat.
And if you’re the victim of a crime, you can’t call the police.
I doubt you could last five minutes if you had to go through all that.
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Diane
as long as they’re legal, work hard, respect our laws, no problem. The illegal bad ones are the problem.
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Actually, as I wrote yesterday, they are not.
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jsrtheta
I use google to research what I need, and I don’t watch the sleazy American MSM.
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Harry,
Even if you do your research on Google, you should still cite your sources. Just saying somebody said or somebody wrote is not a citation.
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Right. Because the internet only shows reliable sources.
Right.
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Diane
Do you trust the MSM as a viable source? I don’t. That’s why I cut cable 5 years ago.
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I believe in what President Reagan said, “Trust but verify.” I have multiple sources of news.
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Love me some Kamala. And I’ve always been a sucker for waltz time.
Oh, Walz. Yeah, isn’t he freaking awesome!!!
I haven’t been this positively excited about an election in a long, long, long, long time. People who are intelligent and compassionate and decent experienced and informed and sane. Oh yes, yes, yes.
After the evil orange one, it’s water in the desert, sleep to the weary.
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