Jonathan V. Last posted two videos of President Biden speaking. One took place in April 2023, when he spoke in his ancestral hometown of Ballina in County Mayo, Ireland. He received an ecstatic welcome from the locals. Biden’s voice was strong and clear. He was vigorous and joyful. He was not senile then, he’s not senile now. But he has aged.
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I’ll always remember Joe Biden in Ballina.
It was nighttime. America’s last great Irish pol was visiting the county of his forebears. A bunch of local Irish notables gave boring remarks in front of an ancient stone church. There was a minute of restless silence. Then the music hit.
Suddenly the Dropkick Murphys are blaring from the speakers. Lasers and lights cut through the evening mist.
And Joe Biden strides out in a black longcoat like a damn WWE star to the single biggest pop I’ve seen in politics.

That was 15 months ago. Only 15 months ago.
The President Biden we saw last night was a different man. We can all see the physical changes. But where the Biden in Ballina was exuberant, sharing a once-in-a-lifetime moment of pure joy, the Biden of last night was doing something different and infinitely more important. He was teaching his country a lesson.
It was, on the surface, a valedictory speech with boilerplate about what his administration accomplished. But under the hood, the important stuff wasn’t so much a valediction as a homily. He was talking directly to Americans not about the job he’d done, but about our jobs going forward.
Two sections are worth clipping and saving.
The first was the part where Biden explained why he stepped aside:
When you elected me to this office, I promised to always level with you, to tell you the truth. And the truth, the sacred cause of this country, is larger than any one of us. Those of us who [cherish] that cause cherish it so much. The cause of American democracy itself. We must unite to protect it.
In recent weeks, it has become clear to me that I need to unite my party in this critical endeavor. I believe my record as president, my leadership in the world, my vision for America’s future, all merited a second term. But nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy. That includes personal ambition.
So I’ve decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. It’s the best way to unite our nation. I know there was a time and a place for long years of experience in public life. There’s also a time and a place for new voices, fresh voices, yes, younger voices. And that time and place is now.
I submit to you that no other president in our lifetimes would have believed that he was replaceable. None of those guys could have even countenanced the idea that the country might be better served if he passed the torch.
Biden’s humility in this act is so unique that we risk overlooking it and failing to appreciate how singular and extraordinary it is.

Biden is a loyal public servant that can put his party and country above his own self interests. Despite inflation no other major country has rebounded from Covid as well as the US. The EU went in the direction of austerity, and they are paying the price. Workers in these countries have seen wage reductions, layoffs and loss of benefits. This is one reason for so many protests and so much political unrest in EU countries. China has been struggling as well. We owe Biden as debt of gratitude for his efforts on the part of working families. He is a decent man of substance, and he should go down in history as one of our best presidents.
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It seems like a more accurate comparison of how Biden has aged would be to compare the April 2023 speech with the speech that Biden made on June 7, 2024 in Normandy marking the 80th anniversary of D-Day. ABC News described it as “President Joe Biden, in France to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day, offered a forceful defense of democracy at a site of American heroism during World War II in a speech that carried 2024 political undertones for those watching in the U.S.”
Like the State of the Union in early March 2024, the Normandy speech was a more somber occasion than the 2023 video from Ireland. In both the State of the Union and Normandy, Biden of course was older, but seemed perfectly capable of doing his job.
I think it is important to reinforce the narrative that Biden was clearly capable of doing the job in both March and June this year, instead of the narrative of “Biden in decline”. Every president ages. Biden aged. But many admirable people who saw Biden up close thought he could still do the job, as some of us have been belittled and insulted for saying.
The situation was such that it wasn’t possible for Biden to continue to campaign with every moment scrutinized for something that proved the false narrative that Biden was cognitively unfit. His masterful handling of the handover to Kamala showed me he still has a lot of wisdom. My fear of the damage of the “open convention” would do didn’t come to pass, and Biden’s timing was spot on.
Biden was great last night. But he’s recovering from covid, so it doesn’t surprise me he was quiet. And the occasion called for that quiet demeanor anyway, in my opinion.
The right wing is trying to push the narrative that Biden has been cognitively unfit for office for years and it’s been covered up. I don’t believe that is true and I am positive that if Democrats give that false narrative any credibility, Kamala will lose.
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It isn’t always about “the narrative.” Sometimes it’s about the reality. The REALITY is that Biden has been in severe decline since before 2020, when he ran what was widely derided as a “basement campaign” for the presidency because he simply could not handle the typical daily grind of a presidential campaign. At that time, the country was suffering from extreme Trump fatigue, and he could get away with that. I cannot understand, for the life of me, why you keep denying what was so obvious. Yes, he had moments when he was fairly lucid. But he also had a lot in which he mumbled, would forget what he was talking about, would stare into space uncomfortably long, trying to remember something–all the behaviors of the exceedingly elderly.
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You are simply wrong. Now you are simply giving credibility to Matt Gaetz claiming that Kamala and the Democrats “covered up” Biden’s unfitness.
YOU DON’T KNOW! You are mischaracterizing what so many people have said the way the far right is doing. And I ask you why? So you can say “I told you so”?? Because you were embarrassed that Biden didn’t prove you were right at the State of the Union?
Are you a neurologist? Do you even know what you are talking about? Would it surprise you to know that there are neurologists who think that Biden at the debate looked like some seniors do when they have a bad reaction to certain cold medications and are fine when it wears off? (Which makes sense given that people were saying that Biden talked to people after the debate and was acting like himself).
Do you think neurologists saw the one hour press conference and diagnosed Biden as unfit? They did not. But you did.
Your armchair diagnoses is helping the right wing. I don’t get you. Your certainty about something that is FAR FROM CERTAIN is mystifying and unbecoming. You’d prefer to smear Bernie Sanders and AOC and Christopher Wray being part of some cover-up than just admit that YOU DON’T KNOW.
The only true fact is that Biden HAS performed his duties as president and his presidency has been a success.
Your giving credit to Jill Biden or some unknown person behind the scenes is mystifying.
Why not give credit to Biden? Why is that so hard for you to do?
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ROFL. IT WAS FREAKING OBVIOUS. And my observation is simply that, an observation OF THE REALITY.
I saw Biden looking and acting extremely frail and incompetent.
And at the same time, I saw him being protected from this being as obvious as it might have been by a) being given a very light schedule (for example, running a basement campaign and working very few hours each day, according to staffers), b) having his public events carefully choreographed and scripted to keep him from disasters in public, c) having White House people deny that there was any issue when there obviously was. So, yes, a coverup.
Btw, I despise Matt Gaetz. But if Gaetz says that Chicago is the capitol of Illinois, that would not be false because Gaetz said it. That’s the genetic fallacy.
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Bob wrote this:
“Biden has been in severe decline since before 2020, when he ran WHAT WAS WIDELY DERIDED as a “basement campaign” for the presidency because he simply could not handle the typical daily grind of a presidential campaign.”
The NYT had an article about Kamala ready to go that came out immediately after Biden’s announcement he was stepping down, which said:
“After a first two years in office IN WHICH MS. HARRIS WAS OFTEN DERIDED as out of her depth…”
Even my kid recognized the problem with that kind of writing and asked “WHO was “often deriding” Kamala Harris?” As media critics note, “was widely derided” and “was often derided” are carrying a lot of the water here. I certainly believe Fox News and other right wing news sources were “widely deriding” Biden’s basement campaign, but it was not “widely” derided by people who actually believed covid was real.
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Bob,
The fallacy is your certainty. It’s not supported by any real evidence, just rumors and gossip that makes you believe that someone else and not Biden has been in charge for the last 4 years.
You believe in some big cover up that included Bernie and AOC and Kamala and dozens of other people who ran the white house while the dementia-ridden Biden was trotted out on occasion. Including to answer questions from unfriendly journalists for an hour.
You are starting to sound like a parody of Gaetz. Making a comparison between a known fact and an armchair medical diagnosis should be beneath you.
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I never said that someone else had been in charge for the last four years. In fact, what I said, precisely, is that Biden provided the general direction and philosophy, and HIS TEAM carried that out. I said this explicitly, many times, and in enormous detail.
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5125620/director-wray-president-bidens-cognitive-ability
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Sympathetic to Gaetz? Me?
Are. You. Freaking. Nuts?
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Bob: . . . and you had to say this now because . . . ? CBK
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And a growing chorus of DEMOCRATS, seeing this in their personal interactions with him, that he was no longer capable of the office, started calling for him to step aside. It was hubris that he didn’t do this much, much earlier. But yes, that he finally did was a very good thing (and a necessary thing). In the old Soviet Union, these elderly people like Andropov would hang on to the bitter end, and that was ludicrous. Vanity and love of power.
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It wasn’t just Biden, though. A big role was played by the people who dismissed any mention of the obvious as right-wing narrative that must be denounced lest it gain power and become real through the act of being spoken.
The overwhelming outpouring of approval of Harris by Dem voters in the past several days gives the lie to the notion that that the pressuring of Biden to step aside was a coup manufactured by party elites and the New York Times in contravention of the will of primary voters. The public always knew what others would not say out loud.
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Exactly right, Flerp
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The overwhelming outpouring of approval of Harris by Dem voters in the past several days is yet another success by the Biden team in managing this transition to prevent the disarray of the open convention that was demanded by people who consider themselves cognitively fit.
“If only Biden had been cognitively fit, he would have demanded an open convention because people who are cognitively fit knew for a fact that an open convention was better.”
You’ll be like certain posters here who are still saying that if the Dems hadn’t stolen the election from Bernie Sanders, Bernie was guaranteed to have beaten Trump soundly. Only your narrative will be “if Biden hadn’t been so demented that he manipulated the Dems into having Kamala as the nominee – the woman who spent 4 years lying to the American people and covering up for Trump – then there would have been the open convention from which would emerge the perfect delegate who was guaranteed to be the strongest candidate against Trump.”
You’ll smear Kamala far and wide as being part of a cover-up THAT DID NOT EXIST, and then you will blame her – and not your lies about how she covered up for a cognitively unfit Biden – for losing to Trump.
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I’m smearing Kamala?
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Everyone who believes that Biden has has severe cognitive issues even from the 2020 campaign is simply proving Matt Gaetz right. Kamala knew Biden was cognitively unfit to be president for years and covered it up.
I heard Gaetz make that case to FBI Director Wray yesterday and he and Trump threw a temper tantrum that Wray wouldn’t lie under oath and agree with what Bob Shepherd has presented here as if it is a certainty — Biden has had severe issues that have been covered up by the White House, which has apparently managed an entire successful presidency with no leadership except a man only lucid at intervals!
Gaetz would have been thrilled if Wray would have just made those observations about Biden’s severe cognitive issues that Bob Shepherd is saying are so clear that no one can possibly miss them. That’s all. And Wray wouldn’t do it. Maybe Bob agrees with Matt Gaetz and thinks Wray is a part of the cover up, too.
That FALSE narrative is to destroy Kamala.
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Don’t worry. Bob is not going to destroy Kamala.
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It just keeps getting weirder and weirder. I am in bed with Matt Gaetz. I am trying to destroy Kamala.
I have said for weeks now on this blog that a) Kamala Harris was almost certainly be the nominee and that b) she would make a great president, would add to the voting base for the Democrats, and has my enthusiastic endorsement.
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Bob wrote:
“a growing chorus of DEMOCRATS, seeing this in their personal interactions with him, that he was no longer capable of CAMPAIGNING FOR the office, started calling for him to step aside.”
fixed it for you.
Your version smears Kamala just like Matt Gaetz did. And it’s not true that there was a chorus of Democrats saying that Biden was cognitively unfit to be president. I don’t think you can cite a quote from even one of them.
There was a chorus of Democrats who thought Biden’s age-related slowing down meant he was unable to successfully CAMPAIGN for president.
I hears some gossip from Hollywood types and billionaire donors. And I heard politicians concerned about Biden CAMPAIGNING. They were not concerned with Biden being unfit to do the job he was currently doing, so I still have no idea why you keep implying that Matt Gaetz’ lie about that is true.
I had hoped we could at least agree on that. That Biden was able to perform his job as president with success. Biden was NOT able to successfully campaign. But stories about Biden being supposed cognitively unfit to be president for years, with Kamala and Bernie and others covering that up are Republican lies. There isn’t a shred of proof that it is true except armchair diagnosis.
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No one expects a person’s direct reports to attack that person in public. So, no. I do not hold Harris responsible because she did not try to force out her boss. That’s RIDICULOUS. I do hold responsible those mid-level staffers who did not speak to the press off the record and those Democratic leaders who did not, many, many months ago, tell the president, straight up, that it was time.
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Sorry, but your cherry picking who to blame is lame. If what you are saying is true, than Kamala is as guilty as anyone else. So is Bernie Sanders, since his endorsement of Biden’s re-election was specifically designed to stave off a progressive challenger to Biden early.
But you are certain that you are right — not even a single doubt. Which I find extremely odd.
I am not going to argue with you anymore because you seem to be obsessed with attacking anyone who does not agree with you that Biden has been cognitively unfit since 2020 and there has been a big cover-up in the White House to hide it. Your certainty about that is strange, but whatever.
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Alcohol use disorder – Diagnosis and treatment – Mayo Clinic
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I always assume this is meant for me.
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LOL. No, I just think it’s a good idea for people in general to be careful with this extremely dangerous drug.
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Unfortunately, it’s all up to the New York Times!
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Where did you get your neurology degree, Dr. flerp!?
It’s funny how very few of the gossipy articles that inform your medical opinion talked to neurologists. Especially neurologists that treat a lot of elderly patients.
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What?
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lol
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There is no arguing with ideologues and cultists.
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flerp!
Still think Bob isn’t trying to destroy Kamala?
“I saw Biden looking and acting extremely frail and incompetent.
And at the same time, I saw him being protected from this being as obvious as it might have been by a) being given a very light schedule (for example, running a basement campaign and working very few hours each day, according to staffers), b) having his public events carefully choreographed and scripted to keep him from disasters in public, c) having White House people deny that there was any issue when there obviously was. So, yes, a coverup.”
And Matt Gaetz is right, because saying there was a White House cover-up is just as indisputably true as saying the capitol of Illinois is Springfield. It cannot be disputed. There was a cover-up and Matt Gaetz is right, Biden has been unfit for office even in 2020. Bob and Matt say so and that’s evidence enough for all of us.
Who’s the conspiracy theory promoter now? Those who know there was a Democratic conspiracy that included Kamala Harris to keep Biden’s severe cognitive unfitness a secret even during the 2020 campaign? Or those who are critical of NYT press coverage?
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I can assure you Bob is neither trying to destroy Kamala nor remotely capable of destroying Kamala. Turn down the hysterics.
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I take it back. I just got word that Matt Gaetz is holding a press conference tomorrow. He will announce that a man named Bob Shepherd, who has written at length about how Trump is evil, how Biden has had one of the most successful presidencies in history, and how Kamala is a great candidate behind whom he stands 100%, has written in the comments section of a blog that he believes it was clear Biden was “incompetent” during his presidency. There will be screenshots, I’m told.
This likely will once again upend the Democratic Party and its quest for a nominee who can withstand stray unflattering comments by Mr. Shepherd.
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I was and am one of Kamala Harris’s most ardent supporters on this blog. I came out EARLY, long before Biden made his announcement, if favor of her, and I consistently, for weeks, defended both the obvious fact that she would be the replacement nominee and my opinion, supported by evidence, that this was a very good thing because of her experience and competence and appeal to much-needed constituencies. I made these arguments here in enormous detail.
But now I have morphed in your mind to a Gaetz-clone Kamala hater.
That is SO FREAKING BIZARRE. Totally bonkers conclusion.
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For what it’s worth, I think that Biden was vigorous and sharp when he gave that speech in April 2023 in Ireland. His physical decline in the past 15 months is clear. But I don’t think that means he is mentally deficient. His voice is softer, his gait is slower and stiffer, his reaction time is slower. But in my view, he is cognitively fit but showing his age and frailty. He is a good man, a wise man, a man of principle. It’s good he stepped aside because the campaign would have been only about his fitness, age.
I’m madly impressed with Kamala. She’s dynamic, articulate, smart.
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It was satire, NYCPSP. And take it easy. Sometimes people will say things you don’t agree with and even wish they would not have said. The stakes here are not that high.
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Diane,
What you saw is a perfectly reasonable observation.
None of that had to be “covered up” – the term that both Bob and Matt Gaetz use to imply some big conspiracy by the Dems to hide Biden’s unfit MENTAL status.
Biden’s physical changes are out there for the world to see. The right wing narrative is that Biden’s MENTAL changes were hidden, because Biden has been cognitively unfit to be president for a while now but the Dems lied and covered it up and put America at risk with no leader. That’s clear in Gaetz anger at the FBI Director who testified under oath that he did NOT witness any of these cognitive failings that Bob and Gaetz are certain are being covered up by the White House.
I don’t get why anyone believes there are low stakes here. Validating the right wing narrative that implicates Kamala Harris in a cover up? When the NYT runs 100 front page stories about how Kamala knew about what Bob (falsely, in my opinion) characterizes as a certain cover up, is that really no big deal? It’s almost like some people have forgotten recent history.
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Bob and Gaetz
Well, there’s a pairing I never expected to hear. What I think of your opinions is not printable on this blog. Suffice it to say that I have never in a long life encountered such idiocy.
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One does not have to be a certified arborist to see that a tree has been struck by lightning. One does not have to be a chemist to see that if you heat water enough, it becomes a gas. One does not need a neurology degree to see that someone is frail in body and mind if the frailty is GLARINGLY EVIDENCED again and again and again. ROFL.
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One does not have to be a neurologist to see that anyone who is positive that Biden has been frail in mind since 2020 but his infirm body and mind was kept hidden by Kamala and everyone else in the White House might be suffering from watching too many conspiracy theory programs.
I would ask the people who believe Biden has been frail of mind since 2020 how he had such a successful presidency, but they’d probably invent some cockamamie answer involving Kamala and a secret cult of progressives like Bernie and AOC who were running the White House.
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how he had such a successful presidency
I have explained this again and again and again and again on this blog.
Again and again and again I have said that Biden was not too frail to provide direction to his team, that a presidency is a team effort, and that his team has done a superb job, far better than I expected of a Biden presidency.
Far better than I expected from the guy who always supported the big banks, who opposed and still opposes Medicare for All, continues to support school choice, wrote the bill making MDMA Schedule I based on retracted and false science, and so on.
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“might be suffering from watching too many conspiracy theory programs”
It might come as a surprise to you, NYC PSP, but some people do not “watch programs.” I have not owned a television for decades.
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Someone who is cognitively unfit cannot provide good direction to their team.
Biden COULD provide very good direction to his team. Because he had good judgement. Because he had wisdom. Because his cognitive faculties were NOT failing. Neurologists understand the difference between a memory not being as sharp, and someone who is cognitively unfit.
Neurologists understand the difference between someone who is “only lucid at times” and someone who is lucid but having the typical age associated slow downs.
If you actually want Kamala to win, I suggest you stop saying Matt Gaetz is right about a big White House cover-up about Biden’s unfitness or severe decline. I wish you would stop promoting a weird conspiracy theory that Biden was no longer cognitively fit to be president and has only been lucid at intermittent times during his presidency.
Bob, just be logical. If Biden is giving GOOD direction to his team, then he is a GOOD leader. Not an unfit, cognitively questionable leader whose lucid moments come and go. It’s not the job of Kamala, Bernie or anyone at the White House to “anonymously report” to the media that a good leader is aging UNLESS he is incapable of being president anymore. Is that what you are saying? That Matt Gaetz is right and Biden should have been forced out for his dementia? And if you don’t believe that, then why are you trying to push a lie that “everyone” can easily tell that Biden is cognitively unfit?
Bob, how can I convince you that Bernie Sanders wrote that op ed AFTER Biden’s debate because he knew that you are wrong? How can I convince you that your truly nasty opinion of Bernie as some politician who stuck by Biden when all the donors and more conservative Dems abandoned Biden was not just “politics” where Bernie would endorse an unfit Biden and Kamala would help cover it up.
You are the one who seems convinced of the most unlikliest of scenarios, starting with Bernie Sanders being part of a cover-up when it would have been EASY for Bernie to join all the Democrats demanding Biden step down. It would have been EASY for him to remain quiet.
Bernie put his reputation on the line to inform the public that Biden was still cognitively fit enough to be president, despite slowing down because of his age. He didn’t do that for “politics” – it would have been easier for him NOT to do that. He did that because he believed that Biden could still provide good direction to his team.
You keep conflating all the Democrats who were concerned because Biden’s age related slowdown was affecting his effectiveness as a CAMPAIGNER, with people like Matt Gaetz who are pushing the narrative that Biden has been cognitively unfit since 2020 – a narrative that implicates Kamala in a big cover-up to deceive the American people. And you take the side of Gaetz. Why, just why?
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Please, do tell us more! I am breathless with admiration for your keen analysis of my Gaetzlike Kamala hating.
Look, if it’s a fundraiser featuring George Clooney and Joe Biden, they are the center of attention, and these things last for some time. Clooney interacted at length with Biden and concluded that he was no longer fit to be serving as president, and this came from someone who has been a huge donor to Biden’s campaigns. But hey, perhaps he, too, fell under the control of the Gaetz mind meld!!! ROFL.
So, please. Do go on and on and on. I am fascinated to learn that I think what I do not think and do not think what I think due to your penetrating analyses. OMG. So freaking weird and hilarious.
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Clooney said Bidenh should step aside because he was unlikely to be able to win. The strong implication was that age was the reason. EVERYONE KNOW THIS, NYC. Everyone.
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You would not know about or understand this, NYC, but some people in the world have tact. Of course, these people did not go in front of microphones to say, “He is not cognitively fit to be president.” Of course, they tried to say it nicely and circumspectly. But it was right there for anyone to see. He was capable of giving his people direction philosophically. At times he was probably in good form. And they were capable of carrying out his wishes. That’s how a person who is no longer up to the job is able, nonetheless, to have a successful run. I’ve said this again and again, but you do not read what people actually say. You hit a phrase, and you launch into your alternative facts universe of rant and kookiness. Enough.
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Please tell me more, I am breathless for your keen analysis of this cover-up that you know for a fact happened. And please do include your keen analysis of how it was okay that Kamala covered up for her “boss” but it wasn’t okay that mid-level White House employees didn’t report this cover-up to the NYT.
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And I just read from Vote Vets that Traitor Trump told some of his dangerously dumber than dumb fascist MAGA loyalists last night, at one of the traitor’s hate rallies, that “he’d love to replace generals and admirals with race car drivers and football coaches — ‘in its own way,’ he’d said, ‘it’s not much, really different.'”
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Always the grifter, Trump is selling a new book to be released before the election called “Save America.” Yikes.
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Another example of how Trump has a mind, such as it is, largely fashioned by television. He is such an utter moron. No idea what goes into making military assessments–how much knowledge and intelligence. He is an utter fool, and has the interests of his handler Putin at heart, and, of course, his own interests, and so is extremely dangerous.
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The praise for Biden’s “selfless” decision to exit the race is beyond absurd: he had to be beat over the head and dragged away before he finally realized that his time was up. His speech last night gave no specific reason why he ended his campaign for a second term, but all people with minds open to evidence know why.
From another comment: “The right wing is trying to push the narrative that Biden has been cognitively unfit for office for years and it’s been covered up.” Well-informed people know that many politicians, celebrities, and journalists sympathetic to Biden also believe that he has been cognitively impaired long before the June 27 debate.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html
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Biden was having significant issues way back in 2020, when he ran a “basement campaign” because he could not handle a lot of time out in public. It was only because the country was so weary of the Trump the Buffoon Clown Car Show that Biden could get away with that.
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I don’t think he had or has “dementia,” though. And I think he was competent enough to govern, albeit at his own pace. It was not ideal for a leader of the nation and it was absolutely not ok for him to be running for a second term, but I don’t think Biden was mentally incompetent in a medical sense.
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flerp! says:
“I think he was competent enough to govern, albeit at his own pace. It was not ideal for a leader of the nation…”
Apparently Biden’s “own pace” led to one of the most successful presidencies in modern history. Was it more “ideal” that Obama had his own supposedly cognitively superior “pace”??
Was Trump’s “pace” better? Maybe Obama’s “pace” should be the model for Kamala? Because that resulted in so much getting done. Not.
The way everything Biden does is spun so as to not give him any credit is incredible. Our country was fortunate to have him, and despite what Bob is saying, I have strong doubts that a different “younger” president could have taken on that oh so thin majority, with Joe Manchin the deciding vote, and get so much done.
It’s depressing to see people here amplifying the FALSE narratives that support the Republicans’ favorite campaign narrative that “Kamala covered up for the dementia-ridden Biden” .
It isn’t true, but folks like Bob seem to be demanding we concede that “truth” which is supposedly obvious to all. Bernie lied. Kamala lied. AOC lied. Democrats lied and covered up for Biden, and Bob is angry that we won’t concede how obvious it was that Biden has only been lucid sometimes even since the 2020 campaign.
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This is absurd, the premise makes no sense: obviously Bernie and AOC cannot tell a lie.
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And obviously they would NEVER coalesce behind the Democrat because he or she is the Democrat. ROFL.
So ridiculous. Seriously ridiculous.
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The premise of a big cover-up of Biden’s cognitive unfitness since the 2020 campaign makes no sense. Although Matt Gaertz and Bob Shepherd clearly disagree.
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^^^flerp! you must agree about the cover-up since 2020, since you aren’t an ideologue nor a cultist, and according to Bob, they are the only ones who would not agree about the cover-up hiding Biden’s cognitive unfitness since his 2020 campaign.
New talking point for the people who aren’t cultists – journalists at the NYT:
“Matt Gaetz is right. Kamala was involved in the cover up and Biden has been unfit since 2020.”
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I must what now?
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Bob: I thought LIKE EVERYONE else AT THAT TIME, that Biden was isolating from Covid, as he should have done. CBK
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“many politicians, celebrities, and journalists sympathetic to Biden”
Hello? How about doctors? A celebrity said it? Well if George Clooney made that diagnosis from his brief meeting, I definitely know there was an evil cover-up headed by Kamala. Bob Shepherd seems to believe you. I don’t.
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Clooney attended a fundraiser with Biden and reported what he saw there with his own eyes. Not some fantasyland imaginary SuperBiden but the actual guy, up close and personal. Actual evidence as opposed to wish fulfillment.
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lol!
Well if George Clooney diagnosed Biden after interacting with him for a short time at a large fundraiser, why would I ever trust Bernie Sanders’ opinion of Biden’s fitness to be president over that!! Dr. Clooney did save that kid stuck in a grate on ER! So the op ed Clooney wrote carries a lot more weight than the op ed that the untrustworthy Bernie wrote.
Bob, I suggest you read George Clooney’s piece carefully. It didn’t say that Biden was cognitively unfit. It said Biden was old and slowing down. It said that people like Clooney saw an old person and decided that he did not have the energy anymore for a campaign.
I once saw Obama at a fundraiser and his eyes were glazed over after having to make small talk with many hundreds of strangers going through a line. He had no idea who he was talking to and was on automatic pilot and not at all convincing as a politician or even registering what the 200th person going through a line was saying to him. I didn’t care. I understood that those fundraisers are a nightmare. I don’t care if a president is tired and seems out of it at a fundraiser if that president has presided over the most successful administration in recent history. In the case of Obama,he hadn’t even presided over the most successful administration!
Maybe if I was an entitled Hollywood star used to being fawned over and people hanging on my every word, I’d be certain that Obama had cognitive problems instead of just being tired and uninterested after a very long day of doing work far more important than meeting a celebrity and hundreds of donors.
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The question facing the Democrats was always how to replace Biden and still run a race as a successful incumbent. So far, their way of doing this has gone nicely, and support of Harris keeps pouring in. Biden’s graceful departure have earned him an Eisenhower position in much of the American mind, with only the MAGA movement in s tizzy. It could go awry, but all is functioning like it ought to.
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It is not “their way of doing this.” It’s not as if some Democratic cabal is planning and executing this. AS A MATTER OF COURSE, if the President resigns, the VP becomes President. AS A MATTER OF COURSE, if the President decides not to seek reelection, the VP will get the President’s endorsement and is the presumptive nominee. Doubly the case when the presumptive nominee is someone whose rejection would alienate large swaths of the party–constituencies without whom the election cannot be won.
I have argued from the beginning that Kamala would be the nominee, for these reasons. And I have stated my opinion that given her qualifications–her experience and character and knowledge and values–this is an exceedingly good thing. I have also argued here, at length, that the transition to Harris was necessary in order to beat Trump because not a single Biden voter would be lost and some voters on the sidelines would be added–a win-win for the Democrats.
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Bob: I figured, based on our earlier conversations and the similar “stuff” here, that an “I was right” was coming. And there it is–at least about Kamala becoming the nominee, but about “cognitive decline” . . . I don’t think so and I don’t mind saying: I don’t know.
If I were you, and if I were riding on that horse, however, I’d get off as quick as possible because it is terribly unbecoming of an otherwise knowledgeable and interesting guy. CBK
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I was again explaining the reasoning that led me to that conclusion, CBK, because people persist here in suggesting that there was a real possibility of someone else being the nominee. I want people to understand why that was never anything but extremely unlikely. If you think that this illustrates a character flaw in me, there is nothing I can do about that.
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Hello Bob: I think we are all amazing adept at running interference for ourselves. CBK
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Oh, and if you want an “I was right,” here’s one: For weeks people here were saying that Biden was going to stay in the race, that because he was staying in, we should coalesce around him, and I wrote, well, no. It’s just a matter of days. He will resign. I don’t give a gnat’s shadow about people recognizing that I was right. I do care deeply about their understanding the reasoning that led me to these conclusions about Biden and Harris. BTW, the Obamas both just endorsed Harris. So much for the Democratic elites trying to tank both Biden and her theory.
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Bob: Let’s not drift from the question at hand at the time. The question at the time was whether you knew . . . as in an air of dogmatic certainty about something that had not occurred yet and could have gone another way–contingency); and even the best of hunches, or speculations about the “predictability” of future events, is not knowledge of them. I was pointing to the difference between even plausible or reasonable expectations and factual knowledge. Even the sciences make that distinction.
The same thinking, taken a bit further on that old slippery slope, (not you that I know of) leads to the confusion between one’s (a) wants and beliefs, and (b) knowledge of what is, in fact, true but on principle is not yet a fact. And there we have MAGA-thinking and the philosophical underpinnings of conspiracy theories.
And I don’t think it’s a “character flaw” . . . just an unexpected (and uncharacteristic, to me) slippage into a dogmatic attitude. CBK
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It is of course the case that that which is known by induction is not absolute knowledge. That’s no great revelation. However, OFTEN, a conclusion arrived at by inductive and/or abductive reasoning is so probable as to allow one to ignore the remote alternative possibility or possibilities. So, for example, it is possible that if I slam the end of my finger as hard as I can on my desktop, the molecules that make up the desk beneath my finger will have happened, at that moment, to have jiggled apart so that my finger goes through it as if it were pudding. But one could wait many times the length of time between now and the heat death of the universe for that to happen (it’s that improbable), so saying “You will hurt your finger if you do that” is not an ABSOLUTE certainty, but it is so likely that one can for all practical purposes discount the alternative.” Same with regard to whether Kamala was going to be the nominee. Could something happen between now and the convention to change that? Well, possible. But highly, highly, highly unlikely.
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Bob: You can walk back all you want. I have to go tend my dog–he’s after the newspaper again. CBK
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I have not walked back anything. I have repeated what I said weeks ago.
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Bob: What you said “weeks ago” was what held the problems, which I thought important to discussions such as these but that, apparently, remain mysterious to you and so, for now, will not go away.
To that I say: Onward! CBK
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DIANE: Being 77 as I am, and as a sort of transitional boomer (between several different social movements), I seem to have traded being an object of sexist stereotypes, which is not over, but better in some respects, for being an object of ageism stereotypes which, in my experience, is rampant, even among people my age.
With that in mind, my guess is that, at least in part, Biden’s staff are acutely aware of how Biden’s just getting older and slower and stiffer, coupled with his speech defect, so easily get interpreted by politically supported stereotypes living in the expansive but empty minds of MAGA and their supporters, including some of the press. In other words, it’s about optics and stereotypes and not necessarily about cognitive decline, whatever that might mean in individual persons.
I also think younger people have no idea how weariness (from Biden’s world travelling, etc.) requires some down time, more than for younger people.
I watched Biden’s speeches and press conference after the debate and, besides the optics and the speech defect, he nailed it. I said earlier here, and still think that unfortunately, votes can be more about misinterpreted optics and stereotypes than about what’s actually good for the country. And on those points ALONE, I think the whole nation held their breath and winced every time he spoke–knowing what the other side was seeing . . . and exaggerating.
In any case, the numbers on Trump’s side still make me feel nauseated; but we are just at the beginning of Kamala’s campaign and breakout presence on the national scene; and all I see is her gaining in a serious sense of gravitas . . . all-things-major remaining the same (“God willing and the creek don’t rise.”) Sexism is still there, but ageism has gone over to the other side.
As for Biden’s expertly timed Surprise, I have to wonder just how squirmy other world leaders feel having observed it (both democratic and authoritarian), when they saw what an experienced and wise leader (like no other) of a democratic country (like no other) did . . . and what happens to be apropos leader-behavior in a democratically inclined country. CBK
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People age at differing rates. Age takes differing tolls. When age is taking a toll, it’s a hit or miss affair. Sometimes it’s a severe problem. Sometimes it’s not. The presidency of the United States is a 24/7 job and extremely demanding. I think that one needs to be in top form for it, just as I think that now, at 69, I could not do either of the jobs as President of one small publishing company and Executive VP of another enormous one that I did in my 40s and 50s. I would not be up to the physical challenge. Nor would I be able to operate at the same level of mental acuity, particularly with regard to short-term memory. Age happens. It’s not ageism to say that it does. It’s acknowledging reality.
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Bob: You are intent on missing or avoiding the point. The question was about being so cock-sure about Biden’s “cognitive decline.” Confusing “knowledge” of cognitive decline with slowing down, stiffness or even gray hair, and with his long-term speech issue, etc., is an example of ageism.
I’ve experienced ageism: I am slow at bringing up a word here and there, and I’m ready for a total lack of trust in my cognitive abilities and my memory. My guess is that THAT’S what staff “hiding Biden from the public” was about, if itself true.
Biden’s experience and the political abilities . . . that we’ve seen and still see . . . remain in evidence and are still far and away from . . . well, we’ve been there already. CBK
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When an elderly person ROUTINELY, FREQUENTLY pauses and tries in vain to remember something; when that person starts talking about one thing, forgets what he is saying, and finishes with something else; when that person stops mid-sentence and stares off into space with a puzzled expression on his face; when a lot of people who interact with him personally start saying the equivalent of, “Huston, we have a problem here,” these are extremely strong indicators of cognitive decline; at some point that is clearly, overwhelmingly probable.
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Dr. Bob: . . . and running defensive interference is not nothing and apparently keeps one from understanding points already made. CBK
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Huh? Oh, forget it.
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Bob: Good idea. As the scientists say about studying leopard-spot type rock formations on Mars, perseverance has nothing left to give. CBK
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Bob,
I usually agree with you. This time I don’t. Biden aged over the past year. A comparison between his April 2023 speech in Ireland and his retirement speech shows that. But I do not agree that he is cognitively impaired. He was dreadful at the debate with Trump. But at the press conference following the NATO meeting, he showed a remarkable command of foreign affairs. He is not a doddering old man.
Now that Kamala is likely to be the candidate, I am greatly relieved because Biden’s age and mental acuity had become the central issue in the GOP campaign.
Now there’s a good chance of sending the aging felon into permanent retirement.
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This happens with people who are losing their cognitive acuity. Sometimes they are lucid. Sometimes they aren’t.
I am thinking of how many Trumpanzee trolls have come onto this site to say that we are like lemmings and always agree with you. This is one case in point illustrating that those people are wrong. But I disagree with you on this topic RESPECTFULLY. And yes, agree with you almost always.
Respect (youtube.com)
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Diane: Today, I heard a Biden supporter say this:
“Harris is young, and she is not Trump.”
My guess is that this comment captures a lot of voters’ basic (lowest bar) attitudes . . . at least, at this point in the campaign. And she is several “bars” up, as is Biden, in my view, regardless of the optics and stereotypes.
We keep Biden and Harris and have a really concerted front now. And Trump and Vance, and the slimeballs around them, are already shooting themselves in the foot (e.g., Vance’s comments about childless women and cats).
I don’t know if MAGA will ever wake up in the sense most here understand “wake up,” as in retrieve their lost moral composure, and as the king has no clothes. And on that point, and with whatever else the GOP, Murdoch, and Putin have in store for Harris and the democrats, we cannot let up. CBK
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What Trump says about Harris:
Latest: she is “garbage.”
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Diane: I know I have trouble with my optimistic bent, but I still find it hard to believe that “regular seeming” MAGA people still buy the lies that Trump vomits up every . . . single . . . day. It’s like they still want to believe “their lying eyes.”
My hope is that the democrat’s ad campaign will be relentless. CBK
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07-27-24, circa 11:30 a.m., my television screen is showing a Trump quote that says,” in four years you won’t have to vote again.”
One way to understand that and other similarly suggestive comments, and in the light of the 2025 document, is to think that planning is under way for a fraudulent, fear-ridden, and potentially violent set of activities surrounding the runup to election . . . that is, if the liberals don’t decide to go along to get along. CBK
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And there was nothing surprising, to me, about Biden’s announcement. It was predictable from what was going on with regard to him. There was just too much buzz and too much slippage in a) Democratic constituencies and b) swing states. The only question I had, and I voiced that here, was WHEN he was going to face reality and do it.
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I don’t know if Biden did this on purpose, but he waited until after the GOP convention to step away, so all their vitriol was aimed at Biden, not Kamala.
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Well observed, Diane! I like to think that that’s what he did. If this was a conscious tack, it was a wise one.
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Bob: “And there was nothing surprising, to me, about Biden’s announcement.”
Glad to hear it. CBK
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I got it! Vance is channeling Phylis Schlafly! CBK
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Biden has spent his entire Presidency teaching the country many good lessons.
But no federal/state education oversight was watching while 2U One of the nation’s largest online education companies. Went Bankrupt!
2U Signed on with elite universities. Targeting students for advanced degrees & certificates. And issuing Credentials NOT worth the debt.
Lucrative “teaching” contracts for Coding, data analytics, cybersecurity & AI bootcamps at Yale, UC Berkeley, Morehouse, Ohio State University, Columbia University, University of Texas, Harvard University, Michigan State University, University of Denver, Southern Methodist University, University of Minnesota, University of Central Florida, Arizona State University, Northwestern University, Rice University, the University of North Carolina & UC-Irvine.
https://www.highereducationinquirer.org/2023/09/2u-crash-exposes-latest-wage-of-edugrift.html
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