Sabrina Haake is a veteran journalist who writes a blog called “The Haake Take.” This is her take on the debate. Read it and subscribe.
I watched the debate in horror, like millions of moderates. Here was a slick conman with a national bullhorn- sans fact checking- next to a decent man who tells the truth but can’t get his words out.
Even Republicans know Trump’s performance was a firehose of lies, but after the fact fact-checking is just background noise, irrelevant to all but political junkies. (We know who we are.) His base also knows Trump is a serial liar, which they consider a feature, not a bug. Whattaya do with that?
The sad reality is that facts vs. lies and the grave geopolitical risks facing us have now been upstaged by Biden’s pauses, weak voice and halting delivery, all of which seemed to confirm supporters’ fears about his age. Biden’s style, rather than the substance delivered by either man, dominates all the headlines.
Why o why didn’t Biden open with, ‘folks, I have a cold, bear with me, my voice is rough, but we’ll get through it…’? Instead, his voice gravelly and barely audible, he bumbled, even though most facts were on his side.
The whole cringe fest was a Fox News fantasy come to life. I cried for my country, popped an Ambien, and went to bed.
I realize, at this point, pundits are just echoing each other. No one really knows what the fallout will be, or how the undecideds felt about the debate. I have some shred of hope that Americans are smart enough to cut through the slick lies vs. bumbling truth and consider what both men actually said. But honestly, MAGA exists because about 30% of us want a show more than sound governance; violence and retribution are sexier than policy Every. Single. Time.
Also, morons get juiced by hate, which stimulates the brain like an opioid. Hate is the brain’s most powerful motivator- right up there with fear- which means hate-filled people vote in higher numbers than complacent moderates. This, very simply, is why the stupidest 20% of the U.S. has been able to impose minority rule, aligned with the morbidly rich seeking to avoid regulations and taxes. (Darwin suggests we get real serious about real education, real fast.)
A silver lining?
Maybe, since SCOTUS just gutted the administrative state, stripping the federal government of most of its power to fight climate change, we’ll see violence from the left this time. The absurdity of letting morons like Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch substitute their personal, lay opinions for those of trained experts is worse than partisan– it’s suicidal. (Thomas recently shot down the AFT’s expert opinion that bump stocks keep firing the trigger like a machine gun, while Gorsuch confused an air pollutant with nitrous oxide—ie, laughing gas– when gutting protections for the environment.)
Even peaceful leftists will get violent when their lives are threatened. Since the Court has also ruled that it’s ok to storm federal buildings, maybe climate activists will take a clue from the J6 mob. (Not advocating violence, just opining on its likelihood, which I learned from Fox News. Maybe when MAGA idiots clamoring for civil war finally get a taste of blood they’ll retract their claws. But veep candidate JD Vance told us most of them are on crack or drunk, so they’re probably itching for entertainment, what’s a few bodies? I’m just saying their mental vacuums need to be filled with something, and Trump rallies, Fox and stoning their neighbors can only fill so many hours.
The gaslighting got upstaged, but it was masterclass
Biden, far more forceful at a North Carolina rally right after debate, freely admits he stumbled. “I don’t debate as well as I used to,” he said, but “I know right from wrong.”
And that’s the thing: what he’s done in office in three and a half years should count far, far more than a bad 90 minute performance. As Vice President Kamala Harris said in her post-debate interview, “I got the point that you’re making about a one and a half hour debate tonight. I’m talking about three and a half years of performance in work that has been historic…”
And she’s right: if this is a contest on the merits, on substance, Biden wins hands down.
When Trump said Hamas attacked Israel and Putin attacked Ukraine because Biden is weak, I worried, because low information voters won’t think it through. No one needs any spin; Putin himself has said his invasion goes back to the 17th century, Peter the Great, and his personal power-lust for restoring the Soviet Empire.
The complexities of the Israel-Hamas war are even deeper. They far exceed Trump’s cranial capacity, going back decades, marginally beginning with Hitler’s atrocities. Israel’s history exceeds most voters’ attention spans, including mine. Biden has walked a tightrope, empathizing with suffering on both Israeli and Palestinian sides. He has forcefully denounced and criticized Netanyahu’s cruelty, and immediately denounced the naked brutality of Hamas. No one alive could do a better job navigating Israel’s scorching complexity.
Suffering Palestinians deserve all the aid, support and compassion they are getting– far more– students on the left are right in that regard. But where they’re wrong is in failing to understand that if Biden cut off support to Israel, Trump would collect billions of dollars in PAC donations overnight and storm back into power, and few people would ever hear or care about Palestinian suffering again.
Trump’s mendacity is unprecedented in US presidential history, and the damage he has caused already will linger for decades. His offenses are too numerous to list, including ending abortion, adding $8 trillion to the deficit, robbing the poor for tax cuts to billionaires, selling the climate to big oil, blah blah blah. It’s redundant already.
Military generals and experts who worked with Trump are warning us
Biden is running for re-election not to stay out of prison or engage in retribution, but to save America from Trump and his army of sycophants addicted to power. They are dangerous. Now is not the time to start over, but to armor up.
During his awful debate performance, Biden managed to reference— albeit far too softly– that in a national survey conducted by the University of Houston and Coastal Carolina University, peer-reviewed academic and social science researchers, along with qualified historians and political scientists rated Trump the worst president in the history of the United States. Ever. According to America’s historians. Don’t trust your own instincts after the debate? Let that sink in.
Not enough? Consider that Trump’s closest military and domestic advisors have warned us how dangerous it would be to return him to power….
I’ll close with Robert DeNiro’s words because I really can’t top them. Here’s what he just wrote in a post-debate email:
Over the years, I’ve played my share of vicious, low-life characters. I’ve spent a lot of time studying bad men. I’ve examined their characteristics, their mannerisms, and the utter banality of their cruelty. Donald Trump is a wannabe tough guy with no morals or ethics who will do whatever he can to obtain power. As an actor, I could never play him. There’s not a shred of humanity to hang on to. I strongly support Joe Biden. He’s a lifelong public servant with great personal integrity. I trust him completely to run the country. He puts you first. Trump cares only about himself.
Sabrina Haake is a columnist and 25 year litigator specializing in 1st and 14th Amendment defense. Her Substack, The Haake Take, is free.

Wait a sec! Retribution? Isn’t that what Biden’s DOJ has done to Trump, simply because they didn’t like his style of firebrand conservatism?
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Jim Waters,
The DOJ’s prosecution of Trump is not retribution for his political views.
He brought home hundreds of top-secret documents. The National Archives, where they belong, asked him to return the documents. For a year, he refused. First he said he didn’t have them. Then he said they were his personal papers. Then he tried to hide them. The FBI got a search warrant and went to Mar-a-Lago when they were sure he was not there. They found top-secret documents about our weaponry, our military security, the identity of our spies, and other highly secret documents that were not his personal property. He continued to lie and say that he was entitled to keep all those records. He wasn’t. They were returned to the Archives.
Then there is the January 6 Insurrevtion, in which thousands of his followers overran the U.S. Capitol, brutally beat law officers, threatened the lives of members of Congress, and ransacked the people’s House. And five people died. He called his violent followers to DC. He urged them to march on the Capitol. He sat in front of TV doing nothing while his followers rampaged. Had did you feel, watching a mob ransack the Capitol, watching members of Congress hiding under their chairs?
With a tweet from Trump, the mob would have left at once. But he did nothing. His behavior was criminal. If inciting an effort to overturn the Government and the Constitution is not a crime, what is?
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correct! democrats project day in and day out. Biden lies continuously, he had to drop out of the race the first time he ran for president because of his lies. He is still lying. The laptop was his son’s and he lied about it to the entire country. Fifty-one liars signed a letter saying that the laptop had all the signs of a “Russian plant”. That will need to be investigated because not only was it election interference, it was an abuse of power and no one is above the law.
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Jackie, did you agree when Trump said the thousands of people swarmed the U.S. Capitol, carrying signs that said TRUMP and Confederate flags, were just a small group and that they are “patriots”?
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Yes, I think most people protesting at the capitol were peaceful. Many of them were let into the capitol building by the authorities. I realise that democrats must demonise half the country to make them the “other,” most likely to justify violence against republicans as they did in the lead-up to 2016 and through 2024. All the hate is on the left—all of it.
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Thousands and thousands and thousands of school shootings. Kids mowed down. An epidemic of rightwing extremist violence by nutcases who leave behind manifestos praising your Glorious Leader, who dogwhistled them out of the woodwork. Still no Medicare for All such as is found in every other advanced democracy on the planet, which delivers better health outcomes at an average of half the cost.
And you morons are worried about Hunter’s laptop. You and Trump are peas in a pod. Idiots. Buffoons. Freaking ignorant. Wrong about everything. Clueless.
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And your Trumpanzee House under Mikey Johnson Boy Christian is making it impossible to get anything substantive done about any of this important stuff, while the Trump-packed court is basically dismantling democracy so that their robber baron buddies can have free rein.
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But none of the actual issues we face even register on the Trump Grift-o-meter.
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We shall be dealing for the next 50 years with the fallout from Trump’s having made our most highly classified documents freely available to any foreign agent who wanted to wander into that ballroom or unlocked bathroom. But you Trumpanzees are so freaking clueless that you have no idea what that even means or how serious it is and how many of our agents and assets might die and how many of our military systems be compromised because of this. And you have NO CLUE that the Trump and Biden cases in this regard are night and day–the difference between serial murder and jaywalking. You literally don’t have any notion what you are talking about when you address these subjects. Clueless.
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I am furious because I am really worried for my grandchildren. If your lowlife criminal traitorous conman gets another crack at it, God help us.
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And what is the most serious danger that the United States faces?
Trump. Clearly. Because he IS the deluge. Or will be if he wins. God help us.
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Jim Waters, how ignorant are you? Plenty I think, because you heard that from Traitor Trump and didn’t fact check, did you? I know, because I heard Traitor Trump say that every day after another day in court. How many times did Traitor Trump blame Biden for him being in court?
Yet, the US Department of Justice hasn’t completed one court case against Traitor Trump yet.
The United States has state courts and federal courts. Two court sytems.
The federal government doesn’t mange the state courts. The states do that. Even the president of the United States and the federal DOJ has no influence over state courts.
Traitor Trump was found guilty of rape and fraud in New York state courts.
First the state’s lawyers took their evidence to state grand juries who decided the evidence was enough to take Traitor Trump to court for his crimes that he was found guilty of.
Courts in the State of New York found Traitor Trump guilty of rape and fraud in three civil trials. The rape verdict came from a state judge. The civil case for fraud came from a jury.
Then in a third state court with a different judge (that’s three state judges so far and two juries), another jury in the state of New York found Traitor Trump guilty on 34 counts of fraud based on the evidence, making him a felon who cannot vote or own a firearm until he has served his time. Now that Traitor Trump is a felon, he also can’t have access to classified documents. In July, Traitor Trump will be sentenced for that guilty verdict and may end up in Rikers Island maybe sharing a cell with his buddy Bannon, another lying fascist.
In that last state of New York fraud case, the state judge did not make that decision that Traitor Trump was guilty. The jury did that, and it took all of the US citizens chosen to sit on the jury by both the defense and prosecuting attorneys to find Traitor Trump guilty on all 34 felony charges. If one member on that jury had voted no, Traitor Trump would not be a felon today.
I want to repeat that Traitor Trump’s lawyers had to approve who got to sit on that jury. Each jury member gets questioned by the lawyers on both sides, prosecution and defense.
Still, you decided to believe another one of Traitor Trump’s lies that Biden had his DOJ go after the Traitor. That it was a political witch hunt like the Republican did to Hilary Clinton several times over Benghazi and emails, where those Republicans couldn’t find any evidence to take her to court.
And after reading this comment, if you read it, you’ll probably still believe the Traitor.
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Waters and Jackque:
Trump never did anything wrong.
Trump is not a turd in the soup.
No one can stop you from shooting your own feet out from under yourselves.
Which of those statements is true? Never mind. I have to go wash my hair. CBK
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“Violence from the left” is a “silver lining”? Edgy, I suppose, but I don’t think I’m with her.
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Surprised that your only response to a long well-argued essay is to object to the writer’s valid point:
“Maybe when MAGA idiots clamoring for civil war finally get a taste of blood they’ll retract their claws.”
Perhaps my view is different since my great grandparents’ remains are currently residing in a mass grave in eastern Europe because of state sanctioned violence that wiped out every family in their community.
I imagine that as their families were being rounded up so they could be gunned down in the forest, it would have been a “silver lining” if there had been good folks on the left who fought off the violent Nazis to stop them. One reason there was no resistance is because standing up and resisting the violence of the Nazis was illegal and severely punished.
Her point is obvious to me, if not you. The Supreme Court condoned violence, but unlike they Nazis, they didn’t (yet) specify that their ruling applied EXCLUSIVELY to far right MAGA folks conducting violence on anyone they didn’t like. (Who knows, that could be coming). Her point was that the Supreme Court ruling condoned violence for the left, too.
“Maybe when MAGA idiots clamoring for civil war finally get a taste of blood they’ll retract their claws.“
I thought her essay made many important points, beyond the one point that you found objectionable or too edgy. What’s edgy to me is the media normalizing how Trump has convinced his supporters that violence is the proper response if democracy prevents them from getting the total power to do what they want, and the Supreme Court decision enshrining that as legal.
I hate violence. I never thought I’d say this in my lifetime, but I believe there may soon come a time when any resistance to the MAGA authoritarian rule will be met with legalized violence by the MAGA crowd that threatens the lives of everyone who doesn’t go along. And we will all have to decide whether to simply give in to the inevitable, or fight people trying to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
MAGA folks are cowards who want to conduct violence on people who can’t fight back. Trump is a perfect exemplar — a bully. He looks like a weak sycophant when he appears with Putin because he knows Putin can hurt him. But because Trump knows he can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and will suffer no harm, he will do so (or incite members of his cult to do so) if that helps him get what he wants.
I don’t find her point edgy, I find it unfortunately true. I wish we lived in the olden days of 1993 when saying such thing would definitely be edgy. Unfortunately, we seem to be living in early 1930s Germany.
So your point might be moot, since the Supreme Court may clarify that they are only giving the right to act violently to MAGA folks, and not to anyone who tries to resist their violence.
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Sorry to surprise you.
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?? First time I’ve received an apology for “causing surprise”(??) from someone because I said I was surprised by something they wrote.
Lots of teachers on here, so perhaps it’s common for students to say “Sorry I surprised you, teacher” when a teacher mentions that something the student wrote surprised them and then takes the time to explain why they disagreed.
Actually, when I wrote that out, I realized how snarky and insincere a student who responded that way to teacher would sound. “Sorry I surprised you, teacher.”
Fine, you don’t like it that I challenged what you said. Instead of an insincere fake apology, why not just be straightforward and say you don’t want to defend your comment. That speaks for itself.
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Things were quite civil around here when you were gone.
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Now it’s time for me to apologize. I’m sorry that my perfectly reasonable and civil reply to you caused you to have to react so snarkily and add to the incivility of this blog.
If your point is that if I don’t leave, you will continue to respond to my civil comments by being uncivil, so I should leave so the blog is more civil, I will take it under advisement.
I re-read my comment to see why it caused you to reply in such an uncivil manner. I don’t see any reason for your gratuitous snark except to be nasty because you don’t like me. If civility is actually something you value, just act civilly.
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Now I remember how it was. It always ends in demands for apologies.
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t demand an apology. If anything, I was mystified as to why you were needlessly apologizing to me because I didn’t understand what offense you believed you had made.
Then I realized your apology was insincere, and you were making the blog uncivil so you could accuse me of making the blog uncivil.
Carry on, if you must. No sincere or insincere apology by you is needed or wanted.
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I hope you feel better.
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NYC and All: Like Biden trying to carry on a debate with a firehose of sxxt two days ago, this discussion is just another indication that the bottom has fallen out of civil discourse, while SCOTUS paves the way for the democracy’s funeral procession.
Trump has made the choice so very clear: Biden’s age and debate performance doesn’t even matter because voting for him is also voting for democracy AND the flow of it embodied presently in the democratic party and ONLY there.
Whatever happens to Biden (or doesn’t happen), and if Kamala becomes president, the party and its pro-people policies will be there FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for the rich degenerates supporting Trump.
Compare that with Trump, his children, Stephen Miller, that new jailbird axxhxxe, Steve Bannon, and (pick any) MAGA Trump supporter. Wow. What a sterling lineup to choose from for “intelligent and wise statesmen.”
Clearly, unlike most other things in life, there is NO AMBIGUITY in such a choice. And personally, Biden shouldn’t be expected to even be in the room with that sorry excuse for a man. Is there some reason the Republican party cannot run someone with at least an ounce of integrity?
Maybe Trump and Bannon can share a jailcell. Long Live the Administrative State. It doesn’t work every time, but it is worlds away from what’s waiting for all of us behind the Trump curtain. CBK
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CBK,
You make many good points.
I will point out that the Supreme Court just revealed itself as ruled by far right suicidal fascists in a stand off with everyone who believes democracy, with the fascists suggesting they may or may not decide to set off nuclear bombs throughout the country if the liberals don’t kill them first.
The far right Supreme Court is basically calling our bluff. They ONLY reason they feel confident of making this ruling to protect Trump is because they are positive that Biden is a man of integrity and honor who believes in the rule of law. Any conservative who believes in the rule of law has already been excommunicated from the Republican party, so the SC knows all they need is one victory to have their leader simply destroy the opposition. Putin-style.
Unfortunately it is starting to appear that the only way to save democracy is for Biden is to use his now legal executive powers to arrest the 6 justices for treason and appoint six new justices while they are awaiting trial. Or maybe the SC ruling is that the president can use his power to simply imprison the justices for life, or worse for their crimes.
If that seems too drastic for folks to stomach, there seems to be no option except for Biden to use his new powers to add another 6 seats to the Supreme Court and fill those seats with young liberals (and in the name of bi-partisanship, a token conservative who was ex-communicated from the Republican party for believing in truth over Trump).
The Supreme Court just ruled that Russia is a Constitutional democracy modeled on the US and Putin is adhering to the US Constitution in how he rules Russia.
Very scary times.
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NYC: I didn’t know that about Putin and Russia. (It sounds like a bat-screaming joke to me.)
Actually, though, Biden is still President. I wonder if his advisors are telling him to pull out all the stops . . . while he can, . . . and with the power that the SC just paved the way for the presidency. . . to keep Trump out of office and away from the levers of power. Biden really has nothing to lose–he won’t run again anyway. No one on the left or middle, or even some R’s can say its “only political.”
Of course it’ has political implications, but it’s far beyond that now (even if it weren’t before . . . but it always has been). And Trump has made it so more now than ever. (Did you see Clair McCaskill on MSNBC/Wallace program today? I thought she’d split in two.) SCOTUS has followed Trump and the oligarchs down the rabbit hole. My guess is that Thomas is just a very small part of what’s going on.
I never thought I’d see it. CBK
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CBK,
I was sort of joking about Putin. Except not really, since the Supreme Court just ruled that US presidents have the legal right to do what Putin does.
When the president does it, it’s legal. That describes how Putin rules Russia, and it describes how the right wing Supreme Court believe presidents can (if they want) rule the US.
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NYC: Thanks for the clarification. I would like to ask people like Jacque if they think Putin wins election because the voters love him and his policies, OR if they are just afraid to speak up if they don’t agree with him. The difference is profound but really very simple. That’s what Trump is up to.
If Trump becomes president, and things start falling apart, I won’t say “I told you so.” What I would say is: “Trump told you so.” CBK
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CBK,
That’s an excellent question. We know for a fact that if someone criticizes Putin, they are likely to be locked up. If they actually are a challenge to his power, Putin simply sees that they meet with convenient accidents. Or are tried before a judge who is as much as a sycophant to him as the Supreme Court is to Trump and the billionaire right wing neofacists who back him.
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NYC: Two things. First, in an earlier note, Bob referred to MAGA’s anti-intellectualism. In my view, there is a great and pervasive truth in that, and that many side-step this most obvious issue for similarly obvious reasons. No one wants to act like an self-congratulatory ass. . . like Trump.
There is a base jealousy and resentment embedded in it, however, coupled with an unrestricted use of upside-down arguments where, no matter what a targeted person does or doesn’t do, Trump and the MAGA people (on Fox, for example) vomit up a screaming critique of it–so that no matter what, they light a fire under potential negative aspects of whatever is going on, and never speak of its truth. And THAT is what the half-attending audience hears.
Also, secondly, the MAGA people I know take their present freedoms very much for granted, as if they will not go away, or be taken away, no matter what, one of which we both referred to earlier–that we are free to say pretty much what one wants, like criticize the president or others, and nothing legal can be done about it.
In a democracy our political leaders are fair game, and such discussions keep the intellectual-political life alive. Not so with Putin’s world, as you noted so well in your response. Putin even has thugs go out around the world to other countries to find and murder his detractors.
The other thing is the freedom of the press . . . Remember the hangman’s noose readied for Mike Pence. How would it play out when Trump and his lawless thugs decide that members of the press are just too noisy and truthful about him? (They’ve already said so.)
Again, the point is most profound but also so simple that even a child could understand. CBK
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Pennsylvania came through for John Fetterman, a much younger man, who was recovering from a stroke during his Senate campaign. He could barely speak for quite some time and hardly campaigned. Yet, Pennsylvanians knew what he stood for and respected his vision for the commonwealth. They voted for Fetterman despite his frailties. People felt that Dr. Oz was a carpetbagger that had ulterior motives as he was not an actual resident of Pennsylvania. There is no doubt that Trump and company have anti-democratic ulterior motives, and our current Supreme Court gives us a window into that vision. None of what they would present is good for working families. Prior to running for the highest office in the land, Trump had NO record of public service in addition to numerous other misdeeds. He expects the nation to serve him if he is elected.
People are slower as they age, but most can still make sound decisions. Being President is not a debate or a game of Jeopardy where fast reflexes count. Being President requires leadership, sound judgment, integrity and reason. Biden has a proven track record of these qualities and a long history of public service.
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Trump is an old man, conman and a serial liar of epic proportions. He should not be 2,000 miles within the vicinity of the White House. Sadly, this election is totally unpredictable and could go any which way possible.
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Donal Trump will win, and democrats need to get used to the idea.
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I will not get used to ANYTHING that has the power to destroy the Constitution. Trump and his cronies will destroy the United States. I will NOT get used to that.
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“Adolph and his Brown Shirts will win. Get over it!” No. Never.
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Will democrats allow a peaceful transfer of power when DJT wins in November?
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Same prediction you made so confidently in 2020. How did that work out for you?
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If, heaven help us, of course it will be peaceful. It’s not the Democrats who attempted a coup.
Biden already said he would accept the results. Trump emphatically did not say he would accept the results.
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I would love to see a link to where Biden has even been asked if he will accept the outcome of the election. I can’t find one.
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It isn’t an issue that comes up much because of course Biden will. He is not a whiny fantasist and sore loser like Donnie. Loser.
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So is there more going on here. You know where I stand. Biden should win in a landslide because of the economy. Which voters say is their key issue. But why is he getting no credit for the economy . For bringing inflation that struck the whole world down ,in the US . While having the longest streak of below 4% unemployment.
No Credit for wage increases for the median worker , instead portrayed as bad news for Biden, rather than good news for workers. No credit for low unemployment that for some reason is portrayed as not important to the American people an causing inflation.
An excellent piece that we have touched on many times.
“Who benefited?“
“Despite presiding over a fall in inflation with basically no jump in unemployment, Biden doesn’t seem likely to get the sort of bump Reagan received. That seems to have little to do with an objective assessment of the US economy, and more to do with who mainly benefited from Reagan’s and Biden’s policies.
“Reagan lowered taxes on the rich, cut Social Security and crushed labor unions. Biden substantially (though temporarily) expanded the social safety net, driving poverty to its lowest level in US history (when accounting for stimulus payments and tax credits), and spurring a sizable reduction in wage inequality. As far as Biden is from an anti-establishment radical, media outlets owned by the wealthy seem much less prepared to grant him positive economic coverage than they were to shower Reagan’s economy with praise.”
https://fair.org/home/media-obsession-with-inflation-has-manufactured-discontent/
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Beautiful. Very well said.
Trump is the lowest of lowlife. I would love to see the Biden campaign find the 13-year-old who dropped her rape case against Trump because of the death threats she received. Put a guard around her for the rest of her life. Have her tell what Donnie Trump did at his buddy Jeffrey Epstein’s.
He is unspeakably evil, Trump. And would be a disaster for us and for the world.
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Diane had the best idea, yesterday, that I have seen. Biden needs to hold a press conference and say, “Surprise, surprise. I’m an old man. But this old man is going to kick your butt, Donnie Trump. And then govern for the people, the way it’s supposed to be, and not for your personal gain.”
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Has the multi-millionaire Joe Briben been donating his salary like Donald Trump did?
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Two words: emoluments clauses
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Another non-answer from Bob. You never disappoint. 🤣
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Another failure to understand the simplest stuff from Jacqui. Trump illegally took millions in payouts to foreign governments and officials who stayed at his properties in order to gain access to and influence upon him.
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A simple no will do, Bob. No, Joe Briben does not donate his salary. Joe is a scoundrel.
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So, all people who do not donate their salaries are scoundrels?
Sure. That makes a lot of sense.
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Trump is, literally, without exaggeration, a career criminal.
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Bizarrely, the MAGAts KNOW that their guy is a career criminal and think that this is a FEATURE, not a BUG. It’s so bizarre. See, for example, this meme from the Reichwing Social Media site Gab:
https://images.derstandard.at/img/2017/10/03/Trump-pussy-meme.jpg?tc=e494&s=842a28d8
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So, Joe wrote some books and was paid for them.
Trump, on the other hand, built casinos to swindle people out of their money, created a fake children’s charity and used money from it to buy an oil painting of himself (yes, he stole from children), created a fake university that swindled working-class Americans out of tens of thousands of dollars apiece with the unfulfilled promise that he would make them riches in real estate, lied to banks about the value of his properties to secure loans to cover expenses for and on those properties. Forced officials in his government and members of the Secret Service stay at his properties and pay him, Sold utterly worthless pictures of himself. Sells bibles he has not read. Launders money for Russian mobsters by selling them real estate. Accepted emoluments from foreign governments and officials and lobbyists, in direct violation of the Constitution, in the form of stays at his properties. And so on. A long, long history of conning people and criminal behavior.
Big difference.
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As Forbes showed, Biden made money after being Vice President from book royalties and speeches. Nothing wrong with that. Trump, on the other hand, has a long history of bankruptcies, business failures, and still manages to come out ahead. Amazing.
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Jacque: I vote for you for the best “piece of work” going.
Everyone here: Jacque is baiting readers here. She seems to think we are all are as stupid as she is. I had to LOL with this one:
“Has the multi-millionaire Joe Briben been donating his salary like Donald Trump did?”
This in defense of someone who, as we speak, is playing the bribe game with United States policy . . . as Trump barters with Big Oil to deregulate for $$campaign funds.$$
I’ll say this about Trump: He is smart enough to know how many Really Stupid People (RSP’s) are out there in MAGA land. CBK
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TIME TO STEP ASIDE
Biden has indeed been a good President; and he is a fundamentally good and moral person. Nevertheless, in the world of practical politics, he is all too likely to lose to despicable Trump who would bring our republic to its knees. So, Biden must not be the Democratic Party candidate for President in the November election.
HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT!!!
America is long, long overdue for a woman President.
Long overdue.
Within the next few weeks, Biden should resign as President, citing health reasons, some of which are clearly evident. That would give Harris national exposure as America’s first woman President and would ignite women of all ethnic backgrounds to want to see her continue as President. That block of voters would tip the election in her favor over Trump.
I won’t vote for Trump. I won’t vote for Biden. If Biden is on the ticket, I’ll write-in Kamala Harris; and if Trump wins, that will be the fault of the Democratic Party’s lame “leadership”.
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If you’re in a swing state, you don’t like Trump, Biden is on the ticket, and you don’t vote for Biden, you’re a fool.
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Reply to FLERP: If Biden remains on the ballot, he’s a senile egomaniac who is putting America’s republic above his ego.
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Boy, you’ll show him!
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quitwit,
If your support for Harris as president is sincere, it’s odd you would try to sabotage her best chance of being president by helping to defeat Biden to “punish” the Democratic leadership. It’s likely Biden might step down during his 2nd term and Kamala will become president with no drama. It’s highly likely that the chaos caused by Biden stepping down right before the election will guarantee Trump wins.
Kamala being president for a couple months of intense campaigning and political turmoil when a bunch of other Dems who want to be the nominee undermine her as a bad candidate isn’t going to help her or any future female candidates. But Kamala serving a few years of presidency because Biden steps down will.
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A write-in vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for Trump.
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The only way any other Democrat besides Biden could run as a Democrat is for Biden to step down and create an open primary in September. I have wondered if this might indeed be a strategy, given that Republicans have a well-funded and disciplined propaganda machine that has functioned well to remove popular candidates ever since the Gary Hart days.
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Roy,
Lawrence O’Donnell pointed out that none of the potential candidates has raised any money. Biden can’t give the $200 million he raised to another candidate. .
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That means that one of the most important factors in an open convention would be what the money wants.
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I think the above comment is true, and is exactly why the Trump campaign wants Biden to step down.
They are just waiting to unleash the narrative that whoever wins that undemocratic “open” primary where voters did not have a voice was the candidate of the corrupt money folks who run the DNC. That propaganda won Trump the 2016 election, and frankly, this time that attack would be more believable since voters were completely shut out of the process. I can’t even think of any argument to contradict it. “The money folks picked their nominee, but it’s wrong to say they are corrupt money folks” isn’t exactly a winning argument.
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Since, in our system, voters choose the candidate, who can then unbind the delegates apportioned them by the state’s rules, it is technically false to say that this time “voters [would be] completely shut out of the process.” This is the way our version of a democratic system works.
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That’s pretty technical, though. If Biden releases his delegates, what say to the voters have about how they should vote? It seems reasonable to expect criticism that this is undemocratic (meaning “less democratic” as opposed to “totally undemocratic”), and the criticism seems correct to me.
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OK. Reasonable, that. But this is how our system works, for good or ill.
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For sure.
This is blank slate territory for me. I wasn’t alive much less sentient in 1968. And the convention system today doesn’t resemble the convention system at that time.
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If Biden releases his delegates, they are free to vote for whoever they want. That’s the way is was before the current primary process. Conventions would start, and several candidates had votes, either from primaries or other ways. The minor candidates released their delegates and the field narrowed. Eventually there were only two candidates left, and the convention voted again and again until one of them won the majority.
Sometimes there were more than a dozen votes until one person won, and he chose his VP. JFK’s convention was like that. People across the country stayed up all night waiting to learn who the candidate would be.
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Bob says “This is the way our version of a democratic system works.”
That is absolutely true. But in 2016 “this is the way our democratic system works” wasn’t very successful in countering the false narrative that HRC “stole” the nomination from Bernie Sanders. (I wasted endless hours trying to make that argument with the folks amplifying that false narrative here.) That narrative caused a lot of people not to vote for the Democrat, including folks here.
So while hope springs eternal that voters whose favorite politician does NOT get the nomination in an open convention will be wildly supportive of the person who got it and won’t be swayed by the propaganda that the Dems “stole” the nomination from their favorite politician, I am not holding my breath. I think it is far more likely that if everyone stipulated that Biden was old and then pointed out that “old” Biden’s current presidency has been the most successful in recent history so why would anyone fire the guy who was doing a great job just because he looked old one night, Biden would win.
Why would you fire the old guy who is doing a great job? Because he looked really old one night, and then continued to do the outstanding job as president he had been doing for 4 years?? Is it because those folks who want to fire Biden hate America? (I don’t think that, but it’s the kind of argument that has been proven to work by the Republicans — why else do they have so much power when no one actually likes their policies?)
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It is no wonder that historians rate Trump as the worst President in American History. History is all about truth. Real historians debate truth for a living. They carry on this debate by sticking to the rules. You read evidence. You talk about evidence. You tell people where you got your impressions by carefully footnoting each factual point. If they disagree, they are obliged to refute your interpretation of your sources or provide sources that cast doubt on your perception of truth.
Journalists are supposed to be held to a similar standard, but the erosion of this ethic has, in post-Roger Ailes times been applied only to certain journalists. While Faux news fills the air with crap, the mainstream purveyors of the profession lose their jobs if they stretch the truth.
Forget the question of whether Biden should step aside or not. The important question is whether there is enough support for those who would turn the dialogue toward the Trump takeover of the GOP and its dramatic hostility to American interests at home and abroad.
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The Murdochs have done such damage to our country.
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“its dramatic hostility to American interests”
exactly
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Unfortunately, the journalists in the so-called liberal media keep telling us that the Trump takeover of the GOP and its dramatic hostility to democracy itself is not news because “everyone already knows it”.
Of course, everyone already knows Biden is old, but that doesn’t stop the NYT and most of the rest of the so-called liberal media (Philadelphia Inquirer excepted) from flooding the zone with Biden is old stories. It’s actually shocking that there are 5 or 6 new stories every day saying the same thing days after the debate. Even the Guardian was piling on.
If the media flooded the zone with that kind of coverage of the Trump takeover of the GOP and its dramatic hostility to American interests at home and abroad, it would validate in the public’s mind that the GOP hostility to democracy should be of grave concern to every voter.
But the so-called liberal media lectures us that the public already know that, so there is no point in mentioning it anymore. Instead they need to flood the zone with the IMPORTANT news that supposedly the public doesn’t know — that Biden is old.
Which validates the right wing narrative that “Biden is old” should be of very grave concern to every voter.
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Meanwhile….in Florida today, a raft of new laws take effect.
On one hand there’s a new FLA law that guts regulations that protect 16 and 17-year- olds from working long hours including when school is in session.
On the other hand, there’s another new law that prevents “strippers under age 21 from working in adult entertainment businesses.”.
Huh?
So, young adults can work harder and longer but not if they’re taking their clothes off, unless that’s anywhere but an “adult entertainment business.”
Anyone really asking what young adults think of this mess called the United States 2024?
And, BTW, the reaction of citizens under, like 60, to Biden’s sepulcral debate performance last week should be of real concern to Democrats. Yeah, I’m an old fart, too. But it’s time to face the music. And, it sure ain’t the golden, moldy oldies I like to listen sometimes.
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It struck me that the Democrat’s reaction to the Biden Debate failure would never happen in a Trumpublican Party. The failure of the former felon in chief is hailed as a great victory, principally because the dismemberment of issues as a legitimate basis for deciding about the vote is now complete. A decade or so ago, even cynical political animals like Cruz and Gingrich were critical of Trump’s policy. Fast forward to the contemporary Republicans, and policy is AWOL as a part of the Grand Old Debacle. It is just Trump.
Of course there is a policy. Chief among other policies is the dismemberment of the administrative state, wherein departments are given responsibility to carry out control of rogue industries. The Supreme Leaders have taken care of that, so all that is needed now is to celebrate a long string of lies about the economy and how wonderful the people are that love Trump. No policy platform at all. Pull together to support Trump, there is no other policy.
everybody here recognizes this as a totalitarian system. The problem is that no Trump supporter sees him that way. They see him as the guardian of their country and their religion. They cannot see that they have put those two entities together to the ruin of both. No one they trust will tell them the truth. They will not change until they have no king.
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so all that is needed now is to celebrate a long string of lies about the economy
Another of the long, long, long list of characteristics that Trump shares with other Fascists. In 1984, Orwell made glorious fun of how Ingsoc continually ran pieces about its breathtakingly great production numbers, even as Winston had to hold his cigarette tilted upward when smoking because otherwise, the tobacco would fall out–a shoddiness indicative of everything the Fascist state produced.
EXTERIOR. DAY. THE ORANGE IDIOT IS ON THE STUMP ADDESSING HIS CHUMPS
Nobody lies about his economy like Donald Trump. Nobody. Barack Obama ever have lies about the economy that false? Not even close. Trump has the best lies about the economy because, you know, he is a stable genius. He had this uncle at MIT. Smartest guy. Runs in the family. Good genes. Best lies about the economy ever. Like women and racehorses. All in the genes. Best liar. Nobody else even close. Just look at Ivanka. If I weren’t her father. Heh heh. Good genes. So, we’re going to kick out Biden because, you know, lying has hit an all-time low with him. Almost no lies. People want their lies back. Am I right? They want to take your lies. And your hamburgers. It’s like, if you have to choose between a shark and an electric boat.
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Thanks, Roy. That slavish devotion started in 2020 when the GOP did not have a platform other than “whatever Trump says.”
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Trump is unhinged and the Supreme Court just gave him unlimited power. Rather than to spend the next six weeks fighting over who will get to replace Biden (and the 2 months before the election with the supporters of whoever didn’t get to replace Biden on the ballot amplifying that the Democrats are corrupt for choosing a different candidate), the Dems need to unite with only one message.
Trump is unhinged. If anything, the debate proved that Trump is unhinged. Trump’s Supreme Court (thanks, anti-HRC voters!) just enshrined that an unhinged president has Putin’s powers because the Constitution says so.
When the [Republican] president does it, it isn’t illegal.
Do you want an unhinged Trump in the White House? Do you want an unhinged Trump forcing Americans to drink his poison kool aid. Perhaps when the voters hear “unhinged Trump” and those words are welded together in their minds the way “crooked Hillary” and “too old Biden” are welded together, Trump’s support will fall to the 30% or so Americans who would drink poison kool-aid if Trump told them they should.
The Supreme Court would validate forcing Americans to drink Trump’s poison, after being forced to to feed it to their children. If Trump cultists want that, they can do so in Trumpstown, newly established wherever there is empty land for them to live.
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Another nail in the coffin of Democracy. Thanks, Extreme Court. Thanks, Donnie “Little Fingers” Trumpbalone.
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Today’s Supreme Court decided that when a president does it, it’s not illegal.
The current Supreme Court seems to believe that Putin’s rule is what the Constitution established for the US president, but only Richard Nixon realized it. The rest of the country (including former Justices appointed by members of both parties) were always wrong.
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Exactly. Well said, NYC PSP. This is obscene.
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I saw this posted on Facebook – written by Rebecca Solnit. I think she is spot on about a number of things, and especially about the (implicitly racist) dismissal of Kamala Harris:
“My take on the debate the other night is, mostly, Biden was not the competent communicator he usually is, and I don’t actually know why (neither do you). We know he had a cold (and probably should’ve canceled, leaving aside that a debate with a liar without real-time fact-checking was always a folly). I have wondered if something weird and maybe shocking happened just before he went on stage–was he in the green room with the psychopath beforehand? He seemed rattled, shaken, and he’s not normally overwhelmed by things like this after so many decades in public.
I judge a person, including this one, on the overall behavior, not the aberration, and Biden seemed to recover quickly. But also, the calls for Biden to step down seem to be reckless magical thinking: the idea that there is some other candidate yet to be named who people will rally around with wild enthusiasm even though they didn’t get to vote for him or her, and even though an elite minority picked them, seems sketchy to me.
So does the idea that everyone is abandoning Biden because of the debate–a striking thing is that lots of people are “I will still vote for him but I worry that other people won’t.” Polls don’t show a plummet. But pundits who presumably want a Democrat to win are driving his campaign into the ground with their denunciations and calls for him to go away. Not the most brilliant strategy in an emergency.
Too, the process of swapping out candidates is not the fun and easy magic trick the attackers think it is. The campaign money is Biden’s. The only person who can make him go away and transfer that money is Biden, and a Republican campaigner gloating over the idea of late-stage chaos mentions that the Federal Election Commission doesn’t make it easy to do that transfer.
A friend of mine proposed that the calls are mostly coming from white men who see their own fears of mortality and aging in Biden on that stage. I’m also struck that these people are not saying Biden has been incompetent for the last four years. His cabinet seems to say he’s doing the job (so did Kevin McCarthy in private, though he said the opposite in public*). Will he be going forward? I don’t know.
I do know that the kind of loyalty Democratic presidents seem to have is not the absolutism of the Republicans; if he is not up to it, his staff and cabinet will likely act, and probably not with public denunciations. It’s also been weird to see the same pundits resolutely ignore Kamala Harris. We have a back-up plan, which is exactly what a vice-president’s real main job is, and she’s someone we actually elected to do the job.
That these guys are constantly steering around Harris makes it seem like they’re not good with the Black woman, even though if you want someone energetic, with a spring in their gait and no hesitation in their speech she’s right up there with Gavin and Gretchen. Also, the Democrats’ single most loyal voting bloc in this country, as my friend John points out, is Black women; sidestepping a Black woman is not going to go over well with many members.
The Supreme Court, stacked by a criminal president, just staged a judicial coup, and letting Trump win would let that coup and the one of January 6, 2021, be completed. So much harm was done during Trump’s first term, and much of it–notably with this court–continues. Stopping Trump takes precedent over everything else. We are in a crisis whose import is rivaled only by the Confederacy and the Civil War they started.
We need to win this election and we can sort out the details afterward. FDR got elected long after he became a wheelchair-bound polio survivor. He died in office and the country didn’t falter. JFK got shot, and his v.p. was sworn in on the flight out of Texas with Kennedy in a coffin and Jackie still in her bloody pink suit. We have a plan for this. We had it before you were born.”
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46 > 45.
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