Former federal prosecutor Barbara McQuade writes on the website Cafe Insider that social media should require commenters to use their real name. Anonymity enables trolls and invective.
We have seen what happens on this blog. Anonymous posters attack others, make wild accusations, and vent their inner demons. I take down as many of these comments as I can, but I’m not online 24/7. One Trump troll repeatedly changes his IP address to evade being blocked.
There are a number of rules in this blog. First, I don’t allow comments that insult me; the blog is my online living room and I eject offensive visitors. Second, I don’t tolerate conspiracy theories: Sandy Hook happened, 9/11 was not “an inside job,” Trump lost the 2020 election. I also will not post racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic, or homophobic comments.
The reason I allow anonymous comments is because many educators are afraid to speak their mind about what they know. They fear retribution from their superior.
What do you think?
McQuade writes:
Dear Reader,
One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons depicts two dogs sitting at a computer with one saying to the other, “On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog.”
This image came to mind recently when one of my hometown newspapers, The Detroit Free Press, announced it would no longer post reader comments on its website. In a letter to readers, Editor Nicole Avery Nichols explained the decision was necessary “due to the time investment needed to produce a safe and constructive dialogue.” The real culprit, I believe, is anonymity.
Reader comments became commonplace when news outlets went online in the 1990s. The idea for such comments is laudable. Members of the community may engage with writers, editors, and each other to discuss a matter in the news, adding to the discussion the perspectives of other voices and experiences.
Yet, the Free Press has decided to eliminate reader comments, following the lead of other media outlets such as NPR, CNN and the Washington Post. The Free Press now invites readers to comment on social media, where it has no duty to moderate the conversation, or through letters to the editor, which are screened before publication. Letters to the editor of the Free Press also require one important component that online comments do not – the identity of the author. To have a letter considered for publication, writers must include their “full name, full home address and day and evening telephone numbers.” The Free Press may be onto something.
In researching my forthcoming book on disinformation, Attack From Within, one of the things I learned was the danger of anonymity online. When people can hide behind a false name, they have license to say all manner of inappropriate things. As Free Press columnist Mitch Albom wrote regarding the new policy, a typical commenter can use a pseudonym like SEXYDUDE313 and say all manner of despicable things with no accountability. And so, instead of a thoughtful discussion exchanging diverse viewpoints, the conversation quickly devolves into a barrage of insults aimed at not only the reporter, but also other readers posting comments. Commenters typically attack one another with slurs based on their presumed political affiliation, their level of education, or even their race. Comments have become a sort of online heckling, but in real life, even hecklers can be thrown out of the nightclub.
The danger of anonymity online was a key finding of Robert Mueller’s special counsel report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. Mueller’s report noted that members of the Internet Research Agency, a Russian organization alleged to have engaged in a disinformation campaign, used false names, such as “Blacktivist,” “United Muslims of America,” and “Heart of Texas,” to pose as members of various groups and sow discord in American society. Operatives, posing as members of certain racial or ethnic groups, would post inflammatory content to provoke outrage. Some posts were designed to favor Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and some discouraged minority voters from casting a ballot at all. While we will never know the full extent to which Russia’s influence campaign affected the outcome of that election, this kind of foreign interference in political discourse is a danger to our democracy.
To combat disinformation on social media, one easy step could be to eliminate anonymous users. The Free Press’s example demonstrates that anonymity enables behavior that is rude, harassing, and deceptive. Congress could mandate that social media platforms require users to verify their identities. At one time, before Twitter became X, a user could become verified by providing identifying information to the platform. A blue check signaled that the person was who they said they were. Mandatory verification could help reduce threats, trolling, and the spread of disinformation. Although it would be resource-intensive, to be sure, it should be part of the cost of doing business for social media platforms.
Such a policy could face First Amendment challenges. As a general matter, the First Amendment protects anonymous speech because it permits people to engage in political speech even when it’s unpopular, and to criticize powerful people without fear of retribution. But, like all rights, the right to free speech is not absolute. The Supreme Court has routinely held that fundamental rights, such as freedom of speech, may be limited when the government has a compelling interest in the restriction and the measure is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest. Here, Congress could investigate whether eliminating anonymity online effectively reduces threats, harassment, and disinformation, serving a compelling government interest. By limiting the restriction to social media, and not all speech, the law could be sufficiently narrow.
Requiring people to use their real names when posting comments online could make digital spaces safer. It would also allow readers to assess the credibility of those posting comments, making it much more difficult to be fooled by manipulative political operatives and hostile foreign actors.
And perhaps even by dogs.
Stay Informed,
Barb

I feel judged!
One thing I know, if real names were required, I would regain a ton of time that I currently spend commenting online. That can’t be all bad.
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I feel the same ,Flerp.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people who comment here are active teachers and could suffer extremely negative consequences if what they say about the Common [sic] Core, VAM, micromanagement by administrators, standardized testing, and other abuse were traced to them by their supervisors. It’s easy to say, “You must take a stand publicly.” But some people are supporting families and cannot afford to lose their jobs.
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Absolutely!
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In general, however, I agree with the main post. For example, I think that both the dominant tribal religion in the United States as practiced, on the one hand, and deterministic scientific materialism, on the other, are extremely negative social forces resulting from ignorance and superstition and fear, and I think it imperative for those who oppose the former to have the courage to speak out against it using their own names. Why? Because conventional religion stifles thought and progress and provides cover for backward political stances, and I believe that being OUT engenders courage in others.
Consider, for example, what happened after Kinsey published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, in which he described how common homosexuality is. Hundreds of thousands of American gays and lesbians took courage from that and came out, and the model of their courage led millions more to do so.
So, I encourage people to come out. If you really believe what you have been saying, tell us who you are. If you can do so, don’t hide, in a cowardly manner, behind a fake screen name.
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There can be no dispute that social media has become a toxic cesspit, and yes, anonymity has been a major factor. Once upon a time, writing ‘Letters to the Editor” required a measure of self-disclosure, even if the author’s name was “withheld by request.”
Recently, I concluded a 15-month sojourn into the “belly of the beast” and observed social media activity on right-aligned, MAGA-affiliated sites. Calls for mass executions, political assassinations, sexual atrocities, wild accusations and conspiracies abounded, as well as vicious personal attacks, physical threats, and incitements of violence . What was perhaps even MORE disturbing was that even a commonly downloadable app like the Opera News Reader – which has no real moderation of ANY sort – has become a cauldron of toxicity. And while some users hide behind anonymous, and often highly offensive alt-identities, many openly post under their actual names. So the question is no longer just about “anonymous” posts but seriously looking at what point does social activity media cease being just “shitposting” and becomes radicalization?
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No!
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Good morning Diane and everyone,
It’s an interesting question. Why should one be allowed to remain anonymous online when this is not the case in the rest of life? In most interactions in life, others know who I am – work, clubs, social situations. If they don’t know my name, they actually see me face to face – for example, the grocery store and other public places. In all of those situations I have to take responsibility for my words and actions and think a little about how those will affect how others see me and how I’d like to be seen. So I’m not sure social media should be any different. I tend to think one should have to use one’s real name in online interactions. I think it’s important to remember that you’re talking to real people. Perhaps it also makes you pause and reflect on what you say and how you say it. That’s always a good thing.
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Mamie, you are among the few who use your name. The virtue of that is that people would take responsibility for what they say. There would be less mud-slinging.
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I think of all the times I know teachers did not say anything for a very realistic fear of retaliation. Given the litigious nature of our society, even innocent comments can be used against you.I vaguely remember being told that it didn’t matter what I meant if a parent chose to be offended. In one high rent district where I worked, what you said in passing could end up with threats of lawsuits. That district didn’t think twice about throwing the
teacher to the wolves they were so afraid of lawsuits.
Now that I am retired, I still have to be careful because of the effects my speech could have on others.
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I will say that the comments section here would probably be much improved if people had to use their real names. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s a way to enforce a policy like that.
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I am unsure as to the actual solution but I do know that we had come close to eliminating racist comments from the public sphere. People stopped making racist comments in bars and restaurants, etc. because there were repercussions. The anonymity of the Internet has allowed them back, and worse, the ability to form communities of like minded people who live nowhere near one another.
Requiring people to use their real names might be a good first step, but I wouldn’t want to be in charge of enforcing that. Maybe there is a tech solution for that (I doubt it)
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Steve,
The only solution is to monitor the comments and block racists, haters, and trolls. I had a problem in the past few months with a nasty troll who uses a different name every time he posts and frequently uses a new IP. I knock him out as soon as I see his twisted comments.
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Yes, I know but it is exhausting. Consider the ratio of people who, like you, actually have important things to say and then there ae the know-nothings and trolls. There are so many more of them, it is exhausting hitting the block button.
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If you wanted those of us who comment, even infrequently, to reveal our real names to you alone, I’d be OK with that, as long as my name remains anonymous to the public. I trust you, but as someone with an uncommon name, I prefer to remain behind a shield.
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Lulu,
I understand.
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I agree with Lulu. I have no problem with you knowing who I am. I’m not sure why anyone would object to such a requirement who has a legitimate reason for wanting to participate.
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Anonymity is a double edged sword. While it may provide cover for those that are dangerous, it may also protect others from being victims of the unhinged. When I first started responding here, I decided not to use my name because I wanted to speak frankly, but I also did not wish to reflect poorly on the school district which, overall, is one of the better diverse school districts in the country. Now that many of the topics are politically charged, I am retired and living in the epicenter MAGA Florida. I am just as happy not to use my surname because I am surrounded by unpredictable extremists, and I would be easy to track down if someone wanted to do so.
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RT,
I understand the need for anonymity. A few years ago I got an email from an educator asking me to remove a comment he had left long ago. He was applying to be principal and was afraid that a comment on my blog would cone up in a google search and hurt him.
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To illustrate my point, my husband works part-time for the US Census Bureau. We have had a few threatening phone calls, and we have had the police come to the house twice because the subject of one of his cases claims he was “harassing” them. He follows a standard contact protocol from the census bureau. When he shows his census ID, the police leave, but this is what happens when people are taught to despise the federal government.
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As some here are aware, I had a commenter threaten me multiple times with harm if he ever found out who I was in real life. So that wasn’t fun.
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Democratic fora are messy and nasty, alas.
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Not an easy trade off. The right to speak out with fear of retribution is vital. My inclination is that publishing a widely read blog, might come with the responsibility to monitor comments and block ones that are offensive. Such private spaces are different that government ones or what happens in the street.
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Thanks, Arthur. I have blocked many obnoxious, offensive comments. This is my space, not a public forum. The only way to maintain civility is to block those who are uncivil. I still haven’t figured out how to stop uncivil quarrels between regular commenters.
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Look at it this way, if someone mailed thousands of anonymous letters through the U.S. Postal Service or left thousands of anonymous leaflets in doughnut shops and pizza parlors, everyone who received or saw them would have the right, and hopefully the sense, to ignore them. Readers don’t get to choose what books go in libraries. Anonymous (nonthreatening) letters to editors, to police stations, and to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue get rightly discarded.
It is simply impossible to make the internet safe or trustworthy. Trying to do so is like trying find pots of gold at the ends of rainbows. The internet is a place of unicorns, trolls, and minotaurs in labyrinths. Always will be. I see the uncivil discourse here all the time. That I see it doesn’t mean I bother reading it. I’d like to give you a smile, Diane.
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I often think that this is a difficult medium in which to express one’s opinions and thoughts. It’s often hard to tell the tone of one’s posts. There can be a lot of misunderstanding. One’s writing can be unclear at times. It’s much easier to talk in person where you can hear tone of voice and see body language. Things get complicated and writing is difficult for some. I find it to be problematic all around. I remember blasting a colleague at work for an email she sent me. I took it totally different from how she meant it.
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Disclaimer: Being anonymous is necessary as a teacher, but is also a temptation to err. Not all of my comments over the years have been entirely civil. Charter school and high stakes testing proponents have occasionally driven me to mean spirits here on the blog. As a teacher, however, I must remain always mindful of myself and learn from my mistakes, anonymous or not.
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For every post there ought to be a pop up message: Are you sure you want to publish these words for all to see and saved for posterity!
Arthur H. Camins Science Educator, Education Consultant, Writer e: arthurcamins@gmail.com url: http://www.arthurcamins.com/ twitter: @arthurcamins https://twitter.com/arthurcamins
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When we sign up with the Diane Ravitch blog, we are assured that our e-mail addresses will not be made public. Diane is an honest blogger who will not violate that trust. My bugaboo is identity theft and I feel the same way about my real name as I do about my e-mail address when posting comments here. I am really a Joe who lives in NJ, doesn’t make me a bad person. I respect Diane’s rules because this is such a valuable web site/blog.
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Except for Redditt that I think requires that we use puppet names, I use my real name everywhere else.
No one should be allowed to hide behind a fake name online because when trolls and MAGARINOs come after anyone using fake names, threatening their victims, bullying their victims, lying about their victims, there’s little anyone can do in the United States unless you are one of the wealthiest 1%.
Hiring a lawyer to stop anonymous trolls and bullies is expensive and in this country a waste of time. If one troll is stopped through the courts, other’s appear and continue the trollish attacks focusing on the person who shut down one troll.
Trolls have their own dark websties.
“Online abuse is rife on social media and other sites across the globe but countries are attempting to deal with it in very different ways. As part the Guardian’s Web we want series investigating the dark side of the internet – and the efforts people are making to clean it up – we look at what different legislatures are doing.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/online-abuse-how-harrassment-revenge-pornography-different-countries-deal-with-it
Navigating the Wild World of Social Media Trolls
https://beonair.com/navigating-the-wild-world-of-social-media-trolls
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As one who does not use his own name (actual trolls in my world), I’ve come to rely on the blog or newspaper to screen posts. That is an arduous task in a big city or small town newspaper. (Although – schools have very powerful filters that red-flag key words and then those get reviewed).
I also like the “reveal your identity to the owner. I am pretty sure Dianne knows who I am and previous pseudonyms or phrase-names. If blogs and newspapers required that it would cut down on the hateful stuff and attacks. They know where you live 🙂
The “community” aspect works and even sometimes on this blog – no one knows your name at a town hall meeting but they can sure shout or shut a person down.
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oops – one more observation…
Anonymous comments feed into the fervent angry culture with which many via other tv so-called new and social media are already obsessed.
(some) People watch fox news all day and night. They listen to hate-talk radio. The only look at I-agree-with-their-hate websites and follow those tweets (can’t use that other name).
Like several January 6 witnesses testified, they went down that hole so deep it the hate and attacks and lies became their reality – like REALLY their reality. All those other news networks and columns and all were lying.
And, so bad to the point that when the president told them (tweeted and however else) to go to Washington on January 6 because there was going to be a showdown or fight or whatever he said, they went! And, one said when he got the tweet after the attacks to go home from the president, he went home!
Giving THOSE people a platform to spew their own hate pretty much ties a a bow around their alternate universe.
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Here’s what I know…As someone who taught before there was Internet and computers, I remember when we finally did have technology someone told me, “Check your email. I think the district is trying to “get people” who don’t reply on time.” I had no issue with that because I always responded by the end of the day. The fact there was a “gotcha” involved — another weight on teachers. Then with the advent of social media. I got the same type of message, “Dude, be sure to remain neutral on Facebook as I hear they have “district trolls” looking to get anyone who has any negative comments. Another “gotcha.” And throughout the years, it felt like a WEiGHT that suppressed a lot of us from saying what we needed to say in a constructive way was always there. That’s why at meetings no one raised their hands. “Any questions?” Most people were too afraid of retribution, so better to just “shut up.” I know colleagues who were trying to do good, but rubbed someone the wrong way and all of a sudden they were written up, watched, and whatnot. When I found this blog, I told Diane I was not one to voice what I had to say, but she said, “We have a good group and we may get feisty, but at the end of the day, we are all here to have a discussion whether we agree or not.” I tell my stories because I can and I believe they are worthy narratives that most never hear of the things that actually go on inside a classroom; students’ voices and what they think, and so much more. My wife had constantly told me, “Why do you second-guess yourself. You were a good teacher and you helped many students. And still do.” At this point, I just have stuck to “rcharvet” because that’s who I am. I can see with many of these “crazies” using one’s real name may invite problems. I love Diane’s blog because she does an excellent job of introducing me to new idea, perspectives, and concepts. There are some sights where I do comment as “Some Guy” or “Art Guy” but that is mostly talking about products. That’s me. So I thank all of you for letting me share and learn. Peace out.
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This site is owned by WordPress. The moderation algorithms are supposed to eliminate hate speech. Instead they moderate chosen key words like the names of extremist rightwing court justices. It’s not supposed to be your responsibility, Diane. Websites and the algorithms that control them are the work of greedy CEOs and shareholders who want politicians supporting tax breaks for the wealthy, not of responsible adults. It reminds me of placing the responsibility for ending “achievement” gaps on teachers instead of the privatization and testing systems that lead to de facto segregation. We’re really powerless to stop them.
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Despite not using my real name, I always comment assuming that there are possible some people here who may already know my name or that my name could be revealed in the future. I assume other people do the same and would stand by their comments. I try to be truthful, and correct my errors.
I think most of the regulars – the non-trolls – are similarly courteous. It is possible to have a heated disagreement without using ugly language and making personal attacks. I don’t write anything that would be inappropriate for my kid to read. To me, it’s perfectly human (if annoying) to write posts that are too long and boring, or have poor grammar. But it’s not appropriate to gratuitously troll. The folks on here that I like reading the most are the ones that obviously care very much about an issue important to them. Some of those posts are long and boring, too – I don’t care! Some of them are anonymous, some not, and they often have very different viewpoints, but they post because they really care and want to discuss. Not to troll. Thank you to all of them.
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One shortcoming of something like WordPress is that, unlike Reddit or Twitter, there is no way for a commenter to block another commenter. This is very useful for situations where a commenter is being harassed by someone, or just when a commenter doesn’t want to see comments by a particular commenter. And if a particular commenter is generally annoying or bothersome to an entire community, many commenters can individually block the offending commenter. Too bad that doesn’t exist here.
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Diane, this is your blog, and I presume that people are here because they trust you, as there are other places they could be. I can’t imagine a group of commenters ganging together to ban someone they didn’t like from your blog. They should start their own blog. Or complain to you if they believe it is a serious problem and you can decide for yourself.
If there is real harassment going on, you stop it. If there is trolling going on, you stop it. Sometimes heated arguments happen and you will step in. Sometimes people with unpopular views get harassed, and sometimes they get ignored, and sometimes people actually engage with them courteously even though they disagree about everything. And sometimes they engage courteously back. I like reading those exchanges, even when I don’t participate or know much about the topic. I like seeing how people defend their views. I hope that never stops here, as I sometimes learn important things from people whose comments I usually don’t particularly like, especially when they don’t mind responding to critics.
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Thanks for all your hard work on behalf of….the world.
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Just a point of clarification. Barb McQuade links to a Chico State student newspaper as evidence, I suppose, for her claim that NPR and CNN and The Washington Post do not allow comments on news articles.
The student paper says this:
“Large publications such as CNN, The Washington Post and Popular Science have not had comment sections for years.”
Part of that is true. CNN and Popular Science suspended reader comments about ten years ago. At the time, Popular Science explained its decision like this:
“As the news arm of a 141-year-old science and technology magazine, we are as committed to fostering lively, intellectual debate as we are to spreading the word of science far and wide. The problem is when trolls and spambots overwhelm the former, diminishing our ability to do the latter.”
NPR suspended reader comments about eight years ago, citing at the time “a lack of staff resources to keep the comments from tipping into incivility.” But maybe there was another reason. Commenters took NPR reporters to task for sloppy, inaccurate reporting.
I know that around the time NPR suspended comments, I wrote what might be considered a scathing criticism of of an education piece at NPR (by Eric Westervelt) on STEM that cited both the national math and science initiative and the STEM Education Coalition (STEMEC) to make the argument that STEM is “critically important” to the nation’s well-being.
I pointed out, correctly, I think, that The National Math and Science Initiative’s (NMSI) board of directors includes Exxon Mobil VP for public and government affairs Ken Cohen, former Lockheed Martin CEO Norm Augustine (who said STEM education is vital to the “future of our economy”), Current Lockheed VP Ray Johnson, and David Coleman (of the Common Core and the College Board). NMSI funders include the Gates Foundation (which funded the Common Core), Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, the very conservative Dell and O’Donnell and Perot Foundations, the College Board, Boeing, JP Morgan Chase, and Exxon Mobil.
I also noted that Exxon Mobil is a corporate behemoth, and quite profitable. It’s also a tax scofflaw, a big polluter, a member and active participant in the right-wing shenanigans of ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council), and a prolific funder of global warming and climate change denial.
I also pointed out at that time that STEMEC’s leadership council – and presumably its funders – includes Microsoft, ExxonMobil, ETS (Educational Testing Service, which administers tests for the College Board), and the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), AND that the National Association of Manufacturers has a long, long history of opposing unionization and workers’ rights. Its primary mission is to “to enhance the competitiveness of manufacturers by shaping a legislative and regulatory environment…” And that means cheap labor, more corporate tax cuts, and very few regulations. The NAM supported the Bush tax cuts in 2001, sending out a memo for its lobbyists and members to rally on Capitol Hill disguised as “REAL WORKER types.” To facilitate the fraud, NAM provided “hard hats for people to wear.” AND, I added this question:
The NAM refuses to recognize the problems caused by global warming and climate change, but it somehow knows how to improve math and science education?
There were lots more paragraphs, detailed, factual paragraphs, that basically said this:
“A compelling body of research is now available, from many leading academic researchers and from respected research organizations such as the National Bureau of Economic Research, the RAND Corporation, and the Urban Institute. No one has been able to find any evidence indicating current widespread labor market shortages or hiring difficulties in science and engineering occupations that require bachelors degrees or higher…All have concluded that U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings—the only disagreement is whether it is 100 percent or 200 percent more.”
And I concluded by stating that “Readers deserve better from Eric Westervelt, and from NPR. So does public education.”
NPR kept deleting my comment. I kept reposting it. Sometime soon thereafter NPR suspended comments. I have no idea if the two are related. Maybe yes, maybe no. What I do know is my comment was fact-based, and what I had read at NPR was not.
On another note, The Washington Post STILL DOES ALLOW COMMENTS. So does the NY Times. Some are good, really good. Some are funny, and insightful. Some are pitiful. And, yeah, there are haters and trolls.
Oh, and Chico State’s students newspaper, The Orion? It still allows comments, but there were no comments on the piece linked to by Barb McQuade.
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“……All have concluded that U.S. higher education produces far more science and engineering graduates annually than there are S&E job openings….”
Thanks; I wasn’t aware of this. However, my particular concern has been the lack of science education in grades K-6, based on observation during my 20 years as an arts teacher in 3 districts in 2 states. Science ed often depended on the interest of individual teachers, with official STEM programs having limited enrollment using a “pull-out” system.
All children should receive regular science education appropriate for their age.
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@Mark — I, too, as a visual arts teacher and parent saw the same thing. One of the reasons we pulled my younger son out of public school for a couple years was because the pure focus on test-taking skills. At a parent conference, I saw the daily schedule and art, p.e, social studies, music, and science were at the bottom of the list. I said, “So when does my son get art?” The teacher told me “they frowned upon spending too much time in these areas.” My son loved school, but said it was boring.
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At my big city upstate NY school, K-3rd received one period per week each of music and art; 4-6th received two periods. Everyone got two periods of PE, but science and social studies were not officially scheduled.
In my rural AZ school, music and PE were scheduled for twice a week, but for art, classroom teachers were advised to “Try to find a half hour each weak for an art activity.” Science and SS were similarly treated. Some classroom teachers found ways to provide those; others commented “Yuk, I don’t want a worm bin in my room”, “How am I supposed to teach science? I wasn’t trained in this,” etc.
At the 4-8 middle school on one of our Indian Nations, there were two periods per week for music, art, PE; and daily periods for science and SS. All those subjects had separate teachers in those fields, but the related problem was the difficulty in finding teachers willing to work at remote locations, despite excellent pay. (With 17 years of experience my salary was $42K in my AZ public school and 59K on the Rez–and it had been 10 years since they had a music teacher in all three schools, EL, MS and HS).
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@Mark — Yeppers, sounds about right. Most of us who found the sciences and arts important found a way to “sneak it in.” Others simply kept school status quo. Blessings for you teaching the kids.
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Please disregard my previous comment. I got schooled by Cory Doctorow, who is an actual expert on these matters! I recommend the following post of his on this topic: https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-03-04-greater-corporate-fuckward-theory-counterintuit-ive-485ee8c6b73d
Cheers, Diane!
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