This article in Politico is a must-read. It describes Donald Trump’s strategy of using the courts to undermine the rule of law. He has been doing it for 50 years, with great success. His lawyers come and go but Trump loves the courtroom. Much as some might challenge his intellect, the fact is that he is a brilliant legal tactician. He has figured out how to turn the courtroom into his personal stage, where he defies the law, the prosecutors, even the judge, where he mocks them all, ignores their decisions, appeals and appeals.
How does he do it? Read the article by Michael Kruse. Trump learned at the feet of Roy Cohn, who served not only Senator Joe McCarthy but the Mafia and a rogues gallery of unsavory defendants. From Cohn he learned to fight back aggressively, suing whoever sued you, never compromising or giving in.
The article begins:
NEW YORK — What happened in Room 300 of the New York County Courthouse in lower Manhattan in November had never happened. Not in the preceding almost two and a half centuries of the history of the United States. Donald Trump was on the witness stand. It was not unprecedented in the annals of American jurisprudence just because it was a former president, although that was totally true. It was unprecedented because the power dynamic of the courtroom had been upended — the defendant was not on defense, the most vulnerable person in the room was the most dominant person in the room, and the people nominally in charge could do little about it.
It was unprecedented, too, because over the course of four or so hours Trump savaged the judge, the prosecutor, the attorney general, the case and the trial — savaged the system itself. He called the attorney general “a political hack.” He called the judge “very hostile.” He called the trial “crazy” and the court “a fraud” and the case “a disgrace.” He told the prosecutor he should be “ashamed” of himself. The judge all but pleaded repeatedly with Trump’s attorneys to “control” him. “If you can’t,” the judge said, “I will.” But he didn’t, because he couldn’t, and audible from the city’s streets were the steady sounds of sirens and that felt absolutely apt.
“Are you done?” the prosecutor said.
“Done,” Trump said.
He was nowhere close to done. Trump’s testimony if anything was but a taste. (In fact, he said many of the same things in the same courtroom on Thursday.) This country has never seen and therefore is utterly unprepared for what it’s about to endure in the wrenching weeks and months ahead — active challenges based on post-Civil War constitutional amendments to bar insurrectionists from the ballot; existentially important questions about presidential immunity almost certainly to be decided by a U.S. Supreme Court the citizenry has seldom trusted less; and a candidate running for the White House while facing four separate criminal indictments alleging 91 felonies, among them, of course, charges that he tried to overturn an election he lost and overthrow the democracy he swore to defend. And while many found Trump’s conduct in court in New York shocking, it is in fact for Trump not shocking at all. For Trump, it is less an aberration than an extension, an escalation — a culmination. Trump has never been in precisely this position, and the level of the threat that he faces is inarguably new, but it’s just as true, too, that nobody has been preparing for this as long as he has himself.
Trump and his allies say he is the victim of the weaponization of the justice system, but the reality is exactly the opposite. For literally more than 50 years, according to thousands of pages of court records and hundreds of interviews with lawyers and legal experts, people who have worked for Trump, against Trump or both, and many of the myriad litigants who’ve been caught in the crossfire, Trump has taught himself how to use and abuse the legal system for his own advantage and aims. Many might view the legal system as a place to try to avoid, or as perhaps a necessary evil, or maybe even as a noble arbiter of equality and fairness. Not Trump. He spent most of his adult life molding it into an arena in which he could stake claims and hunt leverage. It has not been for him a place of last resort so much as a place of constant quarrel. Conflict in courts is not for him the cost of doing business — it is how he does business. Throughout his vast record of (mostly civil) lawsuits, whether on offense, defense or frequently a mix of the two, Trump has become a sort of layman’s master in the law and lawfare.
“He doesn’t see the legal system as a means of obtaining justice for all,” Jim Zirin, the author of Plaintiff in Chief: A Portrait of Donald Trump in 3,500 Lawsuits, told me. He sees it rather as a “tool,” said Ian Bassin, a former White House lawyer in the administration of Barack Obama and the current executive director of Protect Democracy, “in his quest to command attention and ultimately power.” But it’s not merely any tool. It’s his most potent tactic and fundamental to any and all successes he’s had. “There’s probably no single person in America,” said Eric Swalwell, the Democratic member of Congress from California and a former prosecutor and Trump impeachment manager, “who is more, I would say, knowledgeable and experienced in our legal system — as both a plaintiff and as a defendant — than Donald Trump.”
Many have been confounded by the legal system’s inability to constrain Trump, by his ability to escape at least thus far any legal accounting for behavior that even some leaders of his own party excoriated — and why that reckoning might never come. To understand this requires seeing Trump in a new mode — not as a businessman-turned-celebrity-turned-politician, or as a nationalist populist demagogue, or as the epochal leader of a right-wing movement, but rather as a legal combatant. “This is not a political rally — this is a courtroom,” the judge admonished him at one point in November in New York. It was only in the most technical sense correct. Just as he had upended the norms inside the New York courtroom, Trump has altered the very way we view the justice system as a whole. This is not something he began to do once he won elected office. It has been a lifelong project.
Please read the article. You will understand the present moment far better if you do.

This is exactly why his followers adore him and see him as their savior. He is “exposing” the corrupt legal and political system from which he has greatly benefitted. The uber wealthy didn’t get uber wealthy without help!….and those that helped, by writing loopholes into laws or “looking the other way” (where has the SEC been?) have benefitted greatly, too.
There are entirely too many political leaders/judges/ lawyers on both sides of the aisle that have been complicit (for a very long time) in aiding and abetting with the concentration of wealth to the top. These aiders/abettors stand to lose BIGLY if “the system” really worked. Trump is daring anyone who tries to take him down….and that makes his masses go crazy!
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Not sure what your point is – obviously there are millions of people who are glad to see trustworthy people “exposing” the corrupt legal and political system from which Trump has greatly benefited. But the great majority of those people knew back in 2016 that Trump was not only NOT a savior to change that system, but that electing Trump (especially when there was an open Supreme Court seat) would expand that corrupt system and make it 100x times worse, and the result would be that the corrupt legal and political system would be nearly impossible to ever change.
Trump’s “masses” also went crazy over Trump University because they thought that Trump was the savior of the flawed education system, and learning at Trump U. would make them successful in business. Many other people also wanted to be successful in business, they just weren’t idiotic enough to believe that giving Trump lots of money to be educated at Trump University was the way to be successful in business.
There are a lot of suckers born every minute. Trump is a brilliant con man. Some of Trump’s followers have the same concerns about “corruption” that we all do, but hopefully you understand that Trump could be selling them “let’s round up all the Jews and Catholics and put them into concentration camps and that will change the corrupt legal and political system”, and his followers would buy it. People who aren’t suckers do not – unless their desire is really to get rid of Catholics and Jews.
Why does it matter what Trump voters’ concerns are when there are many MORE people who have those same concerns who aren’t stupid enough to believe that electing Trump will do anything but make it worse? We heard some people Trump conned in 2016 who actually believed that electing Trump when there was an open Supreme Court seat with the court tied 4-4 was no big deal because it would be no worse than if a Democrat was in power. They were conned just as much as Trump’s current supporters are conned.
People who are easy to con often have the same concerns that all of us do — but the difference is they are gullible and easily conned by a con artist.
Most of us aren’t “conned” into believing that electing someone like Bernie Sanders or a progressive Democrat will immediately solve all problems because those folks aren’t con artists. Medicare for All or free college for all programs are going to have the same growing pains that Medicare had, and the same issues that Britain’s NHS and university system has, not be “perfect” and make everyone happy. But more importantly, people who have the same concerns as some Trump voters who aren’t gullible marks do understand that empowering an authoritarian who traffics in hate and lies will not solve our concerns but instead will make things much worse, and possibly unsolvable.
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Go troll elsewhere. I refuse to engage in your rants…..which are a word salad served with a dish of spaghetti logic.
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Wise response, Lisa.
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I am not trolling.
Can you not acknowledge that most of us are concerned with the same issues you say that Trump voters are but we don’t fall for his con?
Trump doesn’t draw people who are concerned with those issues — if he did, you would be a huge supporter and I assume you are not.
But it does feel likle you are unwilling to acknowledge that there are even MORE people who are concerned with the same issues as you and Trump voters are concerned with are not stupid enough to fall for the con.
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46.8 percent of the Americans who voted in 2020 voted for Trump.
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Trump’s ability to fool people is superb. He has fooled millions of people into thinking he cares about them. He doesn’t.
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Bob,
and 53.2% of the Americans who voted in 2020 did not vote for Trump.
It is a fact (but I welcome LisaM refuting it instead of just hurling insults) that many of the people who did NOT vote for Trump are ALSO concerned about the corrupt legal and political system in this country.
We can “both sides” this issue and amplify the narrative that if you are concerned with corruption of the legal and political system, Trump was a very valid choice to make.
Or we can recognize that it is the absolute truth that voting for Trump was going to make that corruption a whole lot worse, and that anyone whose main concern was “the corrupt legal and political system” who thought Trump had the answer was a dupe.
The so-called liberal media has been both-siding this issue since 2015, and I see the danger in doing so. If you don’t, that’s fine, but don’t attack me for offering my views and tell me to shut up.
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Once again you put words in people’s mouths that they did not state, impute to them opinions they did not express. Lisa did NOT claim that theirs was a valid choice. Explaining why something occurs is not approval of the phenomenon. If I explain why people voted for Hitler, that’s not approval of or justification of Hitler. It’s freaking history.
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Nope it isn’t “history”.
Stop misrepresenting what my posts say.
There are people in the Unites States who care about all of the things that LisaM mentioned. Like many of us.
There are people in the US who have ALWAYS cared about all of those things. Like many of us.
They never voted for a liar and con artist before. And many of them – like us – STILL won’t vote for a liar and con artist.
The reason that some people with the same concerns as us are now duped by a con artist has nothing to do with their beliefs, since many others share their some concerns and don’t vote for Trump. You share their concerns. LisaM share those concerns. I share those concerns. Diane Ravitch shares those concerns. None of us are Trump supporters because we KNOW he is a con artist.
So how about we stop amplifying something that OBVIOUSLY has nothing to do with why they vote for Trump and recognizing that those concerns – which many of us have – is NOT why they are voting for Trump. They vote for Trump because they have the same concerns as us BUT ARE EASILY CONNED.
Bob, why don’t we vote for Trump? Because we don’t care about exposing the corrupt legal and political system? Or because we aren’t dupes who believe the way to address the corrupt legal and political system is to elect Trump?
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Bob,
I would also find it incredibly offensive if you said that the German people who supported Hitler were concerned about the economy and blah blah blah.
People who DIDN’T support Hitler were ALSO concerned about all those things, too.
People who cared about those things AND disliked Jews AND were looking for easy scapegoats for their anger voted for Hitler.
If you leave that out, you aren’t giving “history”. You are editing history to spin Hitler’s supporters in a positive way and erase the existence those who opposed Hitler and cared about those same economic issues. Hitler’s supporters chose his way to address their concerns, not another way. THAT is what we should be discussing. Why did they choose Hitler? Why do some people concerned with the economy choose Trump and hate when they could choose something else the way all the people concerned with the same things (like us) do?
And if you just keep describing Hitler’s supporters as the Germans who were very, very concerned with economic issues, and erase all the people who were concerned about those very same issues but were NOT drawn to a man offering hate and scapegoats, you have normalized Hitler supporters.
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Of course you would. Everything is incredibly offensive to you and results in hundreds of thousand-word posts full of bizarre logic and misattribution.
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For example, who said that one would “leave that out” of an accounting of what happened in 1932-33? NO ONE. YOU JUST MADE THAT UP. That people would choose to “leave that out” is a bizarre, unwarranted accusation of the kind that TYPIFIES YOUR POSTS. It simply does not address the narrow question at hand: why did people vote for Hitler? What nonvoters for Hitler thought has NO BEARING on that question.
You really need to stop attributing to people things they didn’t say and bizarre speculations about bizarre things that they “must think,” as in “you must think that. . . .”
Well, typically, no.
It is in fact history to pose and attempt to answer based on surviving information, such as primary source materials, why people voted for Hitler. And, in fact, it’s an important question. It is particularly important today because a lot of people are voting for Trump for the same reasons.
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People wrote tons of articles back during the rise and reign of Hitler about why people voted for him. They were concerned about xxx or xxx or xxx — all of them perfectly valid concerns. How was that helpful again? What they should have been writing during those times are endless articles about how many Germans had these same concerns, and the ones with those concerns who liked racist, anti-semitic scapegoats and invoking Aryan supremacy were drawn to Hitler.
The news media probably wrote 20 or 200 articles every day in 2016 about why people were voting for Trump — they were concerned about xxx or xxx or xxx — all of them perfectly valid concerns. They continued to write about those Trump voters’ concerns — in the context of how they supported Trump because of those concerns — in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. A brief break in 2021, and then another dozen or 100 or 1000 articles about Trump voters’ concerns (explaining that is why they are voting for Trump) in 2022, 2023, and 2024.
ENOUGH!
We get it. People who vote for Trump are just as concerned as we are about the future of this country. That tells us nothing about why they believe Trump is the savior. It tells us nothing about why they support the Republicans.
What was missing from those articles is WHY. What was missing from the original post I responded to was WHY. “they are concerned with the future” isn’t a why. It’s a normalizing of fascism.
When the ONLY answer to “why do people support Trump?” is “because they care about corruption” or “because the Democrats do nothing for anyone” then we aren’t getting enlightened. We are getting propagandized.
I am happy – I have always been happy – to concede that some Trump voters BELIEVE Trump is the answer to their concern about legal and political corruption. We KNOW that. We have known that since 2016! Why are we beating a horse that’s been dead for 8 years?
WHY do Trump supporters who care about political and legal corruption think a lying, dishonest con man who has done nothing for them, and a Republican political party that has done nothing for them is the answer?
I’d like to hear LisaM’s opinion on that. Or yours.
If the answer is always “it’s the Democrats’ fault”, then we might as well just accept fascism as our future.
But what is the purpose of posting what we have all agreed is true for 8 years — that some Trump voters BELIEVE he is their savior, despite his party doing nothing for working people except try to privatize their Social Security and Medicare?
Why are these people who care about the SAME THINGS that we care about so drawn to a con man when the rest of us are not?
The answer to that question is the same reason that some people believe the education reformers and not union teachers. I just don’t know why we have to keep saying ad nauseam that the people who support education reform are good people who just care about education. Do you?
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You are making zero sense. Lisa had the right idea.
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Bob,
You saying LisaM had the “right idea” says more about you than me.
What exactly is this “right idea”?
That Trump voters believe Trump is their savior? Like we haven’t known that for 8 years??
That Trump voters who care about corruption believe the most corrupt and dishonest guy ever to run for president believe Trump is their savior? Like we haven’t known THAT for 8 years??
What exactly is this “right idea”?
Bob, you and LisaM can talk about Trump voters being good people who just care about making the world better until the cows come home and then pretend that the media hasn’t amplified that very same brilliant observation for the last 8 years constantly.
You and LisaM can believe that I’m far too stupid to understand that having you and LisaM inform me of the absolutely never before heard idea that Trump voters care about corruption and THAT explains why they see Trump as their savior is a new and brilliant idea that totally explains why they support such a corrupt and dishonest leader.
But it is the most insipid analysis I have ever heard. Sorry, but I doubt very much anyone here has never even considered that Trump voters might care about corruption. But the question we need answers to is why all of us who ALSO care about corruption know Trump is NOT our savior but these particular group of voters believe he is. It’s because they are dupes. Or racists. It is the height of absurdity for someone to claim it is because Democrats supposedly are offering them nothing that they embrace the Republicans who offer them nothing. Huh?? That’s supposed to be a rational argument?
My analysis of how Hitler rose to power in Germany. Germans were hurting economically and they thought Hitler was their savior. Done! So helpful in understanding the rise of fascism.
WHY did they think Hitler was their savior? WHY do people think a lying con artist Trump is their savior?
Trump voters are concerned! So they see Trump as their savior! We’ve known that for 8 years! Analysis done!
Except usually the analysis includes either explicitly or implicitly that “it’s the Democrats’ fault that people who are concerned with corruption see Trump and the Republicans as their savior.”
If I gave that analysis for why people don’t support teachers’ unions – because the people who hate teachers unions care very much about children getting a good education, so they support the people who want to destroy the teachers’ unions because they care so much about giving kids a good education, I hope you would call me out as someone who is offering no insight at all.
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What exactly is this “right idea”?
Not RESPONDING to your ranting about the evil thing that you HAVE IMAGINED that someone said. That’s her right idea. And she is also right about the fact that a lot of poor and ignorant people in the US do not believe that the Democratic Party has done anything for them. They are wrong, but that is what they believe. And part of this is that when the poor complain about gas prices or food prices or housing prices, their Democratic leaders and Democrats on forums like this make the claim that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.
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And yet they don’t blame Republicans when things go bad.
“she is also right about the fact that a lot of poor and ignorant people in the US do not believe that the Democratic Party has done anything for them [BUT THEY DO BELIEVE THAT TRUMP HAS].
Bob says:
“….Democrats on forums like this make the claim that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.”
Bob, I never thought I would hear you insult Diane Ravitch with such a lie. NO ONE on this forum has said that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels”.
WTH!? How dishonest can you be?
What Diane Ravitch and others here have TRUTHFULLY pointed out is that the Republicans and Trump offer these folks nothing at all, and the Democrats, under Biden, have managed to do SOME things to make things better, but of course no one has ever said the Dems have succeeded in making things all roses and moonbeams.
When our country descends into fascism, it will be helped by our “friends” who say it’s the fault of the Democrats because they just keep lying to voters about how things are great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams. When the truth is that Democrats are acknowledging the problems and trying to make things better, even if they aren’t always successful. While the Republicans are lying and doing nothing.
I can just hear the both sides reporting in the NYT:
“Even the progressive educators at Diane Ravitch’s blog admit that the Democrats “make the claim that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.” Let’s interview some more Trump supporters who care about the economy at the local diner to hear their take on why the Democrats keep lying to them about everything being all roses and moonbeams.”
Bob, you just amplified right wing propaganda. Maybe it’s because you believe it, but that’s the scariest thing of all.
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I would be more concerned with the Media that has the American people convinced that they are going through a hellish time, especially economically,then quibbling over why TRUMPTARDS vote for a FASCIST!
vs normal ! Americans who don’t .
CNN Kasie Hunt this morning leads with two headlines “Trump threatens Haley Donors”. ” Biden Tries to convince Wisconsin voters the economy is not as bad as it feels.” With a 5 second reference to 5 Billion in infrastructure projects in Wisconsin.
She then proceeds to spend a 15 minute segment on Trump and Haley and nothing further on Biden at least while I was listening.
Does the economy feel bad? Not to me and I am on a fixed income my pension does not have cola’s.
Inflation at 3%, Gas at $3. Some would call that morning in America. Unemployment under 4% for one of the longest periods on record, record Job growth. Faster than anyone predicted. Home ownership by those suffering Young people higher than in 2019 when all was MAGA. And Stock Markets which should not be a concern (but always seems to be ) for the vast majority who don’t own enough to make a difference , are at record highs.
But what will the listeners of CNN learn?
They will walk away and say that lying SOB Biden is trying to tell us not to believe what we see with our own eyes. Then walk over to the laptop and order some plane tickets to Aruba to escape the winter’s cold.
Is it any wonder that I spoke to a retired friend, a labor activist, last night who said: ” I wish the Democrats had someone better to offer” . I said: “I could not care if the President was in a Coma, its the people he appoints and the policy he pursues that counts”. To which he responds: “Biden is the best President since FDR ”
Thank CNN, NBC …. for that disconnect.
And on another topic NYC murders down 40% since the start of the year. I bet not a word in the media. On pace to be the lowest in recorded history of the NYPD. Okay its early and things could change, but in 2022 when they were up very slightly in early January, it was non stop (on not just Murdoch rags but all MSM ) hide under your bed, don’t go out. Till the night of the Election, when suddenly all coverage of crime ceased. As George Santos and 4 other NY Republican DIRT BAGS running on out of control crime drove Democrats from power in the House.
Liberal Media my BUTT.
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I must be missing something, because this is spin on Trump that is incredibly positive and flattering and normalizes his supporters as the ones who care about this issue. It also contains innuendo implying that supporting Trump is a normal reaction because apparently “entirely too many” Democrats are just as complicit as the Republicans so that makes it perfectly reasonable that Trump voters would naturally vote for the Republicans!
“This is exactly why his followers adore him and see him as their savior. He is “exposing” the corrupt legal and political system from which he has greatly benefitted. The uber wealthy didn’t get uber wealthy without help!….and those that helped, by writing loopholes into laws or “looking the other way” (where has the SEC been?) have benefitted greatly, too.
There are entirely too many political leaders/judges/ lawyers on both sides of the aisle that have been complicit (for a very long time) in aiding and abetting with the concentration of wealth to the top. These aiders/abettors stand to lose BIGLY if “the system” really worked. Trump is daring anyone who tries to take him down….and that makes his masses go crazy!”
The only people really portrayed negatively here are the Democrats. Sure, there is a reference to “both sides of the aisle”, but this isn’t even negative toward Republicans since the good, non-gullible people being mentioned who care so much about these issues are voting FOR Republicans and hate Democrats.
It is Orwellian that people read this post about why supposedly regular normal folks who just care very much about the corruption in the legal and political system vote for Trump and the Republicans, and have completely missed the underlying narrative that because these folks being described are voting for the Republicans and not Democrats, it means the Democrats are failing to do anything about this corruption and the Republicans are.
Our democracy is in danger, and the explanation is that both sides are equally corrupt, but there are very good people who are drawn to what the Republicans are offering and it is NOT because they are easily conned, or NOT because they aren’t good people, but because the Democrats are just bad – Joe Biden has done nothing for 4 years – and Trump is offering them something (and remember, they aren’t gullible but are smart enough to recognize that Trump is offering them something good!)
If you don’t recognize that Trump voters are either specifically drawn to the far right neo-fascist agenda, or are being conned, then the unspoken “truth” is that the Democrats have failed them.
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“I must be missing something.”
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Bob,
Diane Ravitch said:
“Trump’s ability to fool people is superb. He has fooled millions of people into thinking he cares about them. He doesn’t.”
That’s a topic worth talking about. WHY did Trump fool some people – but not any of us? Because Trump is an exceptionally good con man or because those people are especially gullible?
The reason Trump has fooled those people isn’t because “they care about corruption”. We care about corruption and we aren’t fooled. So why are they?
But maybe if we spend the entirety of the next 9 months discussing how Trump voters care about corruption and see him as their savior, repeat, repeat, repeat, things will surely get better.
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Because millions of people pay almost zero attention to politics. They couldn’t tell you who the Secretary of State is or why there is a NATO, for example. They just know that they are not doing so well, that eggs were $7.99 at the supermarket, and lots and lots of people at the top are living really lavishly. And they are mad. They think that things are rigged and corrupt because they play by the rules and get nothing but some people have everything. And then the little political media they encounter tells them it’s because of the Democrats and they should vote for Glorious Leader Trump.
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Well said, Bob. The average voter is not well informed about DC battles, but they can tell you how much a gallon of gas costs, a dozen eggs, a box of cereal, 1/2 gallon of milk, a Big Mac.
Consumer products cost more.
Some of this is profiteering.
Some of it was supply chain issues during COVID, when manufacturers had to raise prices but never lowered them.
This is what Trump will hammer and blame on Biden.
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Trump doesn’t have to be a good con man. People are just really gullible. 58 percent of Americans believe in the Devil, for crying out loud, that utterly ridiculous and childish piece of Medieval superstition. Again, most Trump voters simply don’t pay much attention to the news and are breathtakingly ignorant. It’s a standard comic shtick to go to a Trump rally and ask people questions and listen to their ridiculous answers. So, Trump voters typically are not created by progressives who criticize Democratic policies because Trump voters pay almost zero attention to what progressives actually say.
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Democrats are trying to deal with inflation. Republicans have no plan at all except to do everything they can to block any Democratic plan to deal with inflation.
It’s not the media telling these people not paying attention that the Democrats don’t care about you.
It’s folks on forums like this who amplify the lie that Democrats are doing nothing except telling voters that everything is great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.
I have never heard a single Democrat say anything like the nonsense you claim happens. They point out TRUTHFULLY what Biden has done to make things better, what he is trying to do, and how Republicans block their efforts.
What are Republicans doing that makes them the savior? Aside from “Not Being Uncaring Democrats who supposedly lie to voters that everything is great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams?”
Diane Ravitch, you may want me to shut up now, but it is this kind of talk that shows you how much danger we are in.
“Even the Democrats” know that the Democrats are just saying everything is great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels”. Is that true? not one word, but if Democrats on this blog believe it, it’s not surprising that people out there do too.
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I recently posted that food prices at local groceries had doubled in six months or so, and several people responded by quoting government figures that weirdly gave the increase over the previous year at 6 percent and touted the great things Biden was doing economically and basically dismissed my comment. This is the kind of thing I am referring to. Democrats responding in ways that do not reflect the reality I have recently experienced. It’s frustrating and anger-inducing.
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Bob,
I totally agree. Voters are not impressed by macro trends but by what they pay in the grocery store for staples.
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Since my retirement, I have given a LOT of time and energy to cooking. In particular, I have developed a lot of skill as a baker, and I do lots of experiments and send the recipes I develop to friends. So, throughout the twentieth century, a staple of American cooking was the pound cake. Interestingly, it takes its name from its ingredient list. It is made from a pound each of salted butter, granulated white sugar, eggs, and flour, all at room temperature. So, I just priced this at my local grocery, using moderately priced brands. Note that the ingredients are all staples:
A pound of salted butter (Land O Lakes): $6.99
A pound of white sugar (Domino): $1.99
A pound of eggs (9 medium): $5.99
A pound of flour (King Arthur): $1.40
So, $16.37 just to make a basic pound cake. The federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. So, that’s a little over 2 and a quarter hours’ worth of work to earn enough to bake one cake.
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NYC PSP,
I think you took the phrase too literally about “peachy, roses and moonbeams.” What Democraticcleaders are saying is “despite your experience at the checkout counter, the economy is doing very well. The stock market hit a record high, inflation is low, unemployment has been amazingly low—under 4%—for two years,” etc.
All of this is true but the average family is focused on gas, milk, eggs, cereal.
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I can’t speak to that since I wasn’t one of the people who replied to you, and I don’t correct inflation posts because I don’t know what the facts are. Were those people lying about inflation being only 6%?
If a parent is angry and blames the “democrats controlled by the teachers’ union” for why class sizes are now 45 per class, is it rational for those parents to say they are voting for Republicans who hate teachers unions and want to privatize public education because some democrat on a blog or union teacher said that class size is only 35? In what world does that explain why someone who “cares very much about every child having a good education” would vote for the Republicans who want to destroy unions and privatize public schools?
I agree that if inflation is at 100%, and someone is incorrectly claiming that inflation is only 6%, that’s wrong. But it’s also wrong to exaggerate inflation as a prelude to blaming the Democrats for not doing anything about it.
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I have grown really tired of decades of Democrats echoing Repugnican policy. Barack Obama bailed out the banks but not the homeowners. He ran our egregious overseas wars PRECISELY as George Bush, Jr., had. ZERO change in policy. He adopted a REPUBLICAN healthcare proposal, Romneycare. Joe Biden spent much of his lifetime fighting for Republican causes. Doing away with bankruptcy, escalating the War on Drugs, fighting against Medicare for All. Is he better than Trump? Yes. BY FAR. But a lot of Americans feel that they aren’t heard, and that is a real problem.
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You are right. Trump hears the average Joe. But what they don’t know is that he will do nothing to improve their lives. He hears them.
Trump voters love it when he mocks the elites. He too feels aggrieved because the elites know he’s a fraud. But his biggest accomplishment was tax breaks for the 1%.
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This is the source of his terrible power. He is loved by people for whom he will do nothing. Because he tells them that he hears them. Because he speaks to them directly.
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In summary, Trump is a FAKE populist, which works for him because so much of the country is so ignorant.
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Bob,
I still feel like you are missing the big picture. What are Republicans offering them except blaming Democrats for the problems that are largely because of Republican policies or Republicans blocking Democratic policies to make things better? They shouldn’t be voting for Republicans even if they aren’t voting for Democrats. So why are they?
Sure people don’t pay much attention. But you just repeated a right wing talking point that they do hear — Democrats don’t care about you.
You just casually amplified and legitimized the right wing talking point that Democrats don’t care. And THAT lie – because “even Democrats say it is true” is going to usher in fascism.
Why is it that those voters believe the lie that Republicans and Trump care about them? Because someone on a blog challenged your inflation numbers? Nope.
It’s because over and over again the absolutely false right wing propaganda is being legitimized by some Democrats! Even Democrats admit their leaders lie to them and tell them everything is just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.
So depressing to see the right wing narratives amplified at this blog. Biden has sure done a lot more than tell people everything is rosy.
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Good morning Diane. Second paragraph, “defendant” should be plural “defendants.”
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His other talent is tapping into the anger and insecurities of people who feel their lives disrupted by changes wrought by globalization and demographic changes, in ways that benefit his quest for power and his powerful wealthy supporters. Some of the attendant hatred unchained now has a hard to contril life of its own.
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Trump has always been a flim-flam man. His biggest trick ever was to convince working people that he cares about them.
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I would not be too dismissive about Globalization or automation or even immigration when it affects wages. As the saying goes “it is a recession when you are unemployed and a depression when I am unemployed”. That goes across the work force. From the factory floor to the data scientist… who can be replaced by an overseas worker and soon A.I.
Of course with near record low unemployment and Trump voters doing substantially better off economically than Democratic voters in general. It is hard to see how many Trumpsters are truly economically insecure. Versus the fear of becoming so. Whether real or imagined.
Of course race plays a huge roll in his appeal. He tells people they are better than some “other” and they empty their pockets for him. (LBJ or Dylan take your choice). That has been the Republican method for over 5 decades. The difference Trump says the quiet part out loud.
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My last client in my last consulting job before I retired laid off its entire IT, Accounting, and Customer Service staffs and outsourced these to India and China.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when this hits lawyers. Most of our legislators are lawyers. But law is extremely ripe for a takeover by AI, which can sift through cases and statutes and put together a legal argument as well or better than most lawyers. AND a lot of law is routine and procedural. So, what happens when a law firm becomes a couple managing partners and a chatbot?
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Bob Shepherd
Exactly my point Bob. I do not believe that economic angst was the reason that voters swung to Trump. But we are far to willing to dismiss the fact that there are winners and losers in any policy. The politicians the media and thus the public repeat the story about aggregate effects. Certainly trade has benefited the American people. As will will AI. We expunged inflation by sourcing our production to the lowest paid labor markets in the world raising corporate profits while making a 65″ HD Led TV in 2023 cheaper than a 15″ in 1975.
Then we told a story that automation replaced those Jobs not trade. Sorry folks that automation occurred in the 70s and the 80s. When faced with foriegn competition. America retooled for the first time since WW2. As they at the same time rebuilt in the South away from the Big Union Cities in the Mid West and North east. There was little or no increase in productivity when the Jobs were lost from from the late 90s on. American investment in robotics/ automation lags far behind countries like Germany and Japan and China.
But we do pick winners all the time as Professional like my son the data scientist or the lawyers in congress are impacted it will be interesting to see how protectionist we become.
The central theme of our Trade negotiations has been to have government enforced monopoly’s that protect the major share holders of Tech and Pharma companies. Most Americans do not own intellectual property. It does not put a dime in their pocket to let people die all over the world including the US. Die to protect the profits of Billionaires selling drugs that never would have been developed without public dollars and are sold for up to 1000s of times the costs to produce.
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His other talent is tapping into the anger and insecurities of SOME OF THE MOST GULLIBLE AND EASILY CONNED people who feel their lives disrupted by changes wrought by globalization and demographic changes. There are even MORE people who feel their lives disrupted by these changes who aren’t gullible enough to fall for such a con. Somehow they are invisible.
We’ve all been brainwashed by the right wing media. I find myself helping to amplify it writing sentences like the original one, which presumes and reinforces the false narrative that people who are concerned with those things are drawn to Trump.
People who are concerned about those things who are not white supremacist Christian right are more frequently drawn to Democrats, but some of them are drawn to Trump. The ones drawn to Trump are simply suckers. Just like the ones who were – like most of us – concerned with getting a good education and believed that giving Trump money to attend Trump U. was the answer.
We didn’t waste our time discussing how Trump University students were just students who wanted a good education to learn how to be successful in business. We recognized that they were the SUBGROUP of all the people who wanted to learn how to be successful in business – the subgroup of people who were gullible, easily conned and dupes. There were a lot more students who wanted to learn how to be successful in business who were way too smart to fall for such a ridiculous con.
When Trump supporters are widely recognized not as people very concerned with some issue, but as dupes and shills, there will be as few as them as there were Trump U. students once the fact that they were stooges, whose gullibility made them easy to con, was the widely accepted narrative about them. It was BECAUSE they were called out for what they were, instead of all news stories being about how Trump University had so much support from people who cared so much about getting a good education, that Trump U. folded.
Imagine how popular Trump University would now be, if every Trump U. student was fawned over by the so-called liberal media as the people who most care about getting a good education. Trump University students would be just as proud of being Trump U. students as Trump voters are proud of being Trump voters. Because they are widely acknowledged – even by some Dems – as if they are the ones MOST concerned about these economic issues or getting a good education in business. They are not. They are the subset of those people who are dupes.
And no one was afraid of hurting Trump University students’ feelings by pointing out that they were conned and no one was afraid to tell them that there were a lot more people with their same personal goals and concerns who weren’t conned and weren’t foolish enough to give their hard earned money to a con artist.
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I’m more worried about people who might not vote for Trump but won’t show up at the polls because no politicians seen to care about their day-to-day struggles to get by, or that most politicians only care at vote time, or are too busy to be paying attention. Most of the Trump supporters may be unswayable. But among those that may be, I find it hard to believe that denouncing them as dupes will be effective. People need something to vote for. Something to hope for, not just to vote against.
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And I think that that’s the point Lisa was making.
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Arthur,
You mean we should keep doing what we have done for the last 8 years and make sure Trump voters feel recognized and validated?
Trumpism has taken over the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY because instead of marginalizing the big con and the racism the way we did when David Duke did it, we bent over backward to make sure Trump voters knew that their beliefs in Trump were absolutely valid.
How is that working out again?
We live in a time when any conservative Republican who offers the mildest opposition to Trump is drummed out the party.
Elise Stefanik goes on national tv and spews lies after lies all in fealty to Trump.
We live in scary times, and we have spent 8 years telling Trump voters that “we understand” and THEY are the ones whose opinions the national media believes are more valid than ours.
Imaging if we had done that with the people who enrolled in Trump University — not treated them like people easily conned whose opinion on higher education was irrelevant, but treated them as the most important people to talk to about matters of higher education!
Imagine if we treated them as people who wanted to get a good education but the entire higher education establishment had failed them, and the main reason they were drawn to Trump is because the higher education establishbment has failed thjem and the nigherh education establishment must have a reckoning about what tjhey are doikng wrong.
It’s ironic, because you teachers understand this when it comes to charter schools. You understand that the people who believe that privatizing public education is the solution to all the problems in high education are being duped.
You don’t make endless posts about how the people who support charters care so much about getting children a good education. You don’t ignore all the people who ALSO care about getting a good education who haven’t been duped into believing that supporting the education privatizers is the best way to do that.
You don’t blame teachers unions and public schools for their failure to convince charter supporters that their beliefs are simply wrong.
And every time a discussion of all the problems with charters comes up, people don’t post over and over again that charter school supporters are just people who are concerned about getting kids a good education, and then try to shut down anyone who points out that they are duped into believing that privatizing education is the only way to get kids a good education, and you don’t try to shut down those who point out that there are even MORE parents who believe in a good education and are NOT fooled by the privatizers’ message.
But, whatever.
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Not sure how what I’ve said in my replies and in other posts gets interpreted as validating the supporters of Trump! I’m simply making a case that to defeat Trump, Democrats need to get better at speaking to the needs and insecurities of working people and more important, vocally support union and local organizing efforts. By-the-way, I don’t nor do others, I think denounce parents who send their kids to charter schools. Rather it’s the political supporters who are trying to undermine public education. See: https://www.dailykos.com/blog/acamins
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Arthur,
Why isn’t this true?
“to defeat Biden, Republicans need to get better at speaking to the needs and insecurities of working people and more important, vocally support union and local organizing efforts.”
Why can Republicans win despite being anti-worker and anti-union, and making life for working people even MORE insecure?
Democrats have been speaking about this, which is why many people who care about this issue support them.
It’s like blaming teachers unions because they are not saying the right things to make more people support teachers unions. If they were, the public wouldn’t support non-union charters.
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Whoops!! Mistype! I meant Democrats need to get better….to defeat Trump. Yikes sorry.
Arthur H. Camins Science Educator, Education Consultant, Writer e: arthurcamins@gmail.com url: http://www.arthurcamins.com/ twitter: @arthurcamins https://twitter.com/arthurcamins
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Arthur, you said “I don’t nor to others, I think denounce parents who send their kids to charter schools.”
Neither do I. Re-read my comment. I did not denounce “parents”.
Do you disagree with any of these comments I made?
“You understand that the people who believe that privatizing public education is the solution to all the problems in high [sic] education are being duped”
“You don’t make endless posts about how the people who support charters care so much about getting children a good education. You don’t ignore all the people who ALSO care about getting a good education who haven’t been duped into believing that supporting the education privatizers is the best way to do that.
You don’t blame teachers unions and public schools for their failure to convince charter supporters that their beliefs are simply wrong.”
The only time I used the term “parents” was at the end, referring to the fact that many parents who care about education send their kids to public schools.
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“You don’t make endless posts about how the people who support charters care so much about getting children a good education.”
So, pulling this one bit out of the word salad to respond to. Are you responding, here, to LisaM’s often-repeated comments that she pulled her own kids out of public school because of the excessive emphasis in her local public schools on prepping for Common Core tests?
Any business or government organization or ngo needs to be engaged in continuous improvement. There are many reasons for this.
One is that circumstances change and groups must respond to these changes. Many high schools are still teaching students to program in Basic in computer science classes because it is a simple language to learn. However, it would be a LOT more sane for them to start teaching, say, JavaScript or HTML or Python, which are also easy to learn AND are widely used now by working programmers.
A second reason is that groups are often infiltrated or commandeered by malign forces, and these must be combatted. Ever since the beginning of the George Bush, Jr., maladministration, public schools have been under what I call an Occupation by the forces of Education “Reform,” and many now how extremely substandard test preppy curricula and pedagogy forced upon the schools by idiotic or self-serving administrators. It’s extremely important for forces within schools to work against the occupation and continue to improve their teaching DESPITE the occupation.
A third reason is that continuous improvement is empowering, for fundamental to modern continuous improvement theory is the idea of giving line workers the power to make changes where they see problems. We have had a vast shift in this country toward disempowering and micromanaging teachers with scripted curricula, test prep requirements, requirements to use substandard educational technology, excessive duties outside the classroom, and so on. People keep piling additional crap on teachers without ever stopping to audit the requirements and see if they actually are improving anything.
So, here’s how you DON’T get continuous improvement: by sticking your head in the sand and acting horrified about critiques of public schools. A healthy democratic organization has a big and regularly used suggestion box, and suggestions for change are critiques.
And finally, yes, lots and lots of parents–ones who can afford it–move their kids out of public schools because they are sick of the testing and the Common Core. My own grandkids are in Catholic schools, where they are getting SUPERB educations, because their Mom HATES the CCSS-based, test-driven approaches of our local public schools.
It’s important for us to acknowledge this worm at the heart of our apple.
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Arthur you typed it correctly.
I was pointing out that the Republicans aren’t doing what you say the Democrats should be doing and yet they are getting votes from people who say they care about those issues but either DO NOT CARE as much as they like being handed non-white scapegoats or don’t care because they are duped.
Either way, Democrats aren’t doing to win their votes. Why do we never discuss why so many people vote for Democrats??
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I just listened to his interview on the Bulwark podcast. I wish everyone would read and/or listen and take it seriously!
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This reminds me of so many “It’s just not the right thing to do” scenarios I have witnessed over the years. When I was coaching basketball, winning was nice, but not the only thing. Coaching kids up to be strong individuals through a sport was first and as John Wooden listed, winning was last. I was at a game. It seemed like the refs weren’t calling fouls. I continued to remind my players, “Yeah, so we play through the refs. We follow through on what we practiced.” We lost the game, but after it, the other coach said, “Refs weren’t calling anything so I just told my guys to go ahead and foul away.” I thought, “What a quality to teach young people; cheat when you can if it will give you the win.” There’s a stop sign at the end of our street where I walked our dogs. I have almost been hit numerous times. No one stops at the stop sign they just roll right through it. Why? Because they can. I guess the rule is, if one can get away with it, they do. I remember another person telling me, “Oh, if no one is around, I never stop at stop signs.” My wish for this con man (and if you look up con artist he is the definition), karma bites him hard. For the life of me, I guess if you are Trump, you get to call the shots because, well, the refs aren’t calling anything so foul away!
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the refs aren’t calling anything so foul away!
Trump has spent a lifetime doing this. He is always able to pay enough lawyers to keep himself from going down. We have the best Just Us system money can buy.
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Bob, great article on tea. My son just educated us on microplastics. Not a tea drinker, but my wife is and I grow herbs in my garden I hear you on the “JustUs” system. I tried to find a place to reply to “the price of things” but I think you will find my response here. Like I said in an earlier post, the “some guy” like me who wakes up, heats up leftover coffee, recycles (even that has become a HUGE chore), and thinks about “this month I will get ahead, I think” is experiencing price hike, surcharge, and fees especially in CA. My parents traveled the country in their motorhome and my mom always said, “We stock up before we cross the CA line as prices triple.” My parents (85/87) worry that if they need assisted care — especially my dad with his dementia– can’t afford it, so my mom goes without heat or they go behind Home Depot and gather pallets for their fire place. As mentioned, the stuff that people talk about (mostly the cost of groceries) is paramount. I have watched prices go up in dollars — just saw something that was always $8.99 then 9.99 now $10.99. Eggs are fluctuating again due to the “bird flu.” Gas prices, well, finally they are down to under $5 (Costco $4.15 — it was close to $7 at one point). Water bill now charges an extra $1 if you have auto-debit. Garbage up to $130 every three months. PGE makes sure to raise prices during the winter when people need heat (fortunately I just wear a hoodie and beanie). And if you have pets, well, let’s just watch poor ol’ Charly and see if his foot gets better –vet just raised prices. I lost a tooth and have been waiting a year to see if the insurance will pay for it; I don’t need the tooth, but I don’t want to pay out of pocket ($2500). Fortunately for me, I noticed that I do have some extra funds because I am not spending a thousand or more on school supplies. But, if I really can’t afford grocery store prices, I can go get some food at Mickey D’s (we haven’t visited a fast-food place in years, but just sayin’) Wait! CA just raised the minimum wage to $20 an hour for fast-food restaurants with 60 or more locations. The coffee I would get is now $1.84; before $1.09. There is a reason Dollar Tree and Dollar General are billion dollar corporations. If a “some guy” like me has it dialed in where to “get what we need” imagine the millions of others who are doing the same? In fact, I see a whole bunch of us at Costco, then the next store, then Salvation Army, and whatnot. I am blessed and have always been frugal. I cook nearly every meal for my wife and I. The line at the Food Pantry is around the block Tuesday – Thursday for people with no food. I donate as much as I can for the less fortunate. But in the scheme of things, this is what regular folk are feeling. My parents always owned property/loaned monies to make their ends meet; my mom is a great saver. She said there were some times when the money she lended to a couple, well, they couldn’t make their payments even when my parents negotiated terms. She said she was in tears. Why? Those people (like many) worked and did the right thing all their lives, then the spouse got sick — savings wiped out. As always, just the words from “some guy” way out West. I digress.
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If the wordsmiths are somehow inside his head,
why are they unable to head him off at the pass?
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This makes no sense. One does not follow from the other, and no one claims to be inside anyone else’s head.
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The 91 recent indictments have shown the public that there are two justice systems. Judges tell trump to behave, with an implied or spoken
threat of consequence…it’s crickets to him. The second feature of the judicial reviews is the sullying of the reputations of those investigating and bringing charges against him, Mueller, Garland, Fanni Willis, etc.
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Trump has spent his whole life testing the limits. He has always a manipulative opportunist. He has become emboldened by those that believe his lies. He is skillful demagogue, but he has gone a bridge too far this time. Let’s hope the Dept. of Justice has the last laugh, and Trump gets “hoisted by his own petard.”
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he has gone a bridge too far this time
Not holding my breath.
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Traitor Trump also has a history of using threats to win.
‘No Blame?’ ABC News finds 54 cases invoking ‘Trump’ in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
“How death threats get Republicans to fall in line behind Trump”
https://www.vox.com/23899688/2024-election-republican-primary-death-threats-trump
“A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults. … The lawyer who organized the event, Lisa Bloom, said Trump’s accuser had received threats and was too frightened to show up.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770
Traitor Trump and his MAGARINO supporters are a toxic, a role model for fascism.
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Lloyd,
Trump knows how to win. Make threats of violence. Inspire others to act on your behalf. Judges and prosecutors have had numerous death threats.
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“A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults. … The lawyer who organized the event, Lisa Bloom, said Trump’s accuser had received threats and was too frightened to show up.”
Where was our Just Us system in it follow-up on this?
Nowhere. Totally asleep.
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Possible good news: Jon Stewart returning to The Daily Show Monday nights. I hope it expands to every night.
Since Jon Stewart stepped down in 2015, so many reporters at the so-called liberal media have been abasing themselves in their desire to look fair and balanced to the right wing. They keep rolling a heavy rock up a steep hill – writing every story to legitimize there are “both sides” and give unwarranted legitimacy to right wing lies – then they are mystified when the rock comes rolling down and they aren’t successful in getting Fox News viewers to like them. And their reaction is an idiotic certainty that if they only keep rolling the rock up the steep hill, one day it will stay there. Unlike Sisyphus, liberal media reporters do this voluntarily, because they believe being biased toward truth over lies is something that must be checked, lest their secret liberal beliefs come out.
Jon Stewart held the so-called “liberal” media’s feet to the fire by showing how the reporters who claimed to be liberal were abasing and humiliating themselves in their desire to look fair and balanced to the right wingers.
Being held up as objects of ridicule to their friends and family made them check their both sides impulses. Nothing checked those impulses all of 2016 when their sycophantic “unbiased” coverage of Trump normalized the most blatantly dangerous and abnormal politician.
I hope Jon returns to what he does best — making the so-called liberal media look as fawning and sycophantic as they actually are.
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I’m thrilled that Jon Stewart is returning. I was on his show twice. He is terrific.
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Rather than hearing the exact same tiresome analysis of Trump voters we have been hearing about endlessly for 8 years – where it’s all the Democrats’ fault for not doing enough for the good Trump voters who care so much about corruption in the legal and political system, or it’s all the Democrats’ fault for telling the good Trump voters who just care about inflation that everything is fine and dandy – I will quote someone offering what is to me is a far more thoughtful and nuanced narrative that doesn’t scapegoat Dems and mischaracterize them as basically doing nothing except telling voters who care about corruption and inflation that everything is all “roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels”.
Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the ‘I’ve Had It’ podcast with hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan:
‘Donald Trump is what you actually get when you want a politician to embody all of your hopes and dreams and caricature of yourselves. Donald Trump affirms insecure men’s idea of masculinity. They affirm insecure people’s idea of wealth…’insecure white folks’ idea of race.’
‘That’s what you get when you want your everything to come – all of your life, and identity-affirming things, to come from electoral politics, you get demagogues, people who symbolize these psychological things. Joe Biden doesn’t do that, and I think that’s actually a good thing, because…it’s — it’s more honest, I think, about where we are, whether we like it or not.’
AOC analysis seems far more astute than the same pablum we have been hearing for 8 years about how voters like that Trump is “exposing” the corrupt legal and political system that is such a huge concern for them that they are voting to empower one of the most corrupt and dishonest politicians ever. Or that voters who are concerned about inflation support Trump because the Democrats just keep telling them that “everything is great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels” and the Republicans care about people like them.
Even when she was supporting Bernie Sanders, AOC offered nuanced commentary and insight about the Democrats instead of amplifying the very same dangerous and misleading right wing talking points that conned some people into seeing Trump as the savior and the Dems as the party that didn’t care about anyone except rich people.
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How Trump hollowed out and came to dominate the Republican Party is an interesting story. But as far as general elections go, I think his success in 2016 and his enduring appeal is largely an effect of the partisan polarization that has characterized American politics for many decades. The Republicans could nominate a cabbage and it would get ~40% of the vote. Democrats could nominate an eggplant and it would probably do even better if the alternative was Trump. (I would vote eggplant.) People vote against candidates more than they vote for them. Republicans hate Democrats and what they think they stand for. Trump is a symbol that expresses that hate. He is a meme candidate for the age of the meme. He “owns” the libs better than anyone one else. His supporters love him for that and they will stick by him no matter what, much like meme stock investors.
The biggest difference between today and the past is technology and how media is consumed. The internet gives endless fodder for outrage, and social media encourages people to copy and paste outrage, to retweet it and amplify it. This will get worse, not better.
All the analysis in the world about what Dems are doing wrong, or about how everything would be better if “we” just closed our eyes, clicked our heels, and “stopped normalizing” Trump will have no impact on these dynamics.
The hope is that there remain Republicans who find Trump so disgusting that they will not vote for him. For example, my mother would never, ever vote for a Democrat. But she will not vote for Trump. There are many like her.
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flerp!, I hope you are right about your mother, because what I have seen is a lot of Republicans who once said they would never vote for Trump who now seem to have rationalized that Trump is not so bad (especially when the alternative is those evil Dems who will destroy our country and disrespect regular voters.)
The result of years of the media normalizing Trump as he drifts farther and farther toward authoritarianism seems to be people who once were concerned about Trump now saying sure Trump is rude and uncouth but at least he “stands for the right things”. Remember, there is no shame at all in voting for a racist demagogue who would suspend democracy because even Democrats say many Trump voters are good people who just care about corruption and the economy and it’s the Dems fault for disrespecting those voters who are hurting when the Republicans don’t.
If you find your mother musing that maybe Trump isn’t so bad, you will know that democracy is not just on life support but in the end stages of death. And I won’t be one bit surprised that she changed her mind and decided Trump just wasn’t so bad after all. But I hope you are right.
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Joel,
I do blame the media. But Bob is saying it, not just CNN. Bob is faulting the Democrats for helping to create Trump voters by invoking the popular media narrative where the fault lies with Democrat leaders – and apparently people like you – who are supposedly telling voters that things are coming up roses when people are hurting economically.
“And she [LisaM] is also right about the fact that a lot of poor and ignorant people in the US do not believe that the Democratic Party has done anything for them. They are wrong, but that is what they believe. And part of this is that when the poor complain about gas prices or food prices or housing prices, their Democratic leaders and Democrats on forums like this make the claim that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.”
Dems disrespect regular working/middle class voters is a FAVORITE propaganda tool of the right and it is depressing to see it repeated here:
“And part of this is that when the poor complain about gas prices or food prices or housing prices, their Democratic leaders and Democrats on forums like this make the claim that things are actually just great, peachy, all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.”
This is such a brilliant tool for the right wing to use. Joel, you or Biden daring to defend the right wing narrative of how Biden has been terrible for the economy and has done nothing for working class people who are hurting = Dems disrespecting voters who are hurting.
Brilliant right wing strategy– Republicans can blame the Dems for the “terrible” economy and the Dems get attacked (if they try to correct the record) for disrespecting voters because correcting the record is falsely characterized “even by Dems” as claiming that things are all roses and moonbeams and choirs of angels.
And then we sit here and reinforce the right wing narrative that Trump voters are just concerned with the economy and corruption and that totally explains why they support Trump – because the Dems either do nothing, or because if they defend themselves of the charge of doing nothing, they are disrespecting hurting voters by telling them thing are peachy and great.
We live in Orwellian and very dangerous times.
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^^reply to Joel @January 25, 2024 at 7:26 am
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