Max Boot left the Republican Party when Trump became President. He now contributes to the Washington Post. He recently wrote that the GOP is returning to its 1930s policy of isolationism, egged on by MAGA and Trump, who never faults Putin. He is outraged that the Republicans are now blocking aid to Ukraine, using it as a chip to barter for a new border policy. Spending for Ukraine weapons is spent in the United States. More important, cutting Ukraine adrift would be a huge victory for Putin.
He writes:
It’s not often that I feel ashamed to be an American. But I was ashamed this week when the Senate refused to support a supplemental spending bill that would provide about $61 billion in urgently needed aid for Ukraine (along with $14 billion for Israel and $20 billion for border security). All of the Senate Republicans, even those who have previously supported Ukraine funding, voted to filibuster the bill. Their stated position: They won’t provide a penny for Ukraine unless Democrats agree to a sweeping, draconian overhaul of the United States’ immigration laws.
I’m sorry, that’s not how a serious political party — or a serious country — behaves during a world crisis. It’s like saying to President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1941: We won’t support aid to Britain as it battles the Nazis unless Democrats repeal the Social Security Act or rewrite the labor laws.
Of course, most Republicans in those days were opposed to aiding Britain: A majority of Republicans in both houses voted against the Lend-Lease Act, enacted in early 1941, which allowed the U.S. government to provide critically needed war supplies to Britain and other nations deemed “vital to the defense of the United States” without demanding payment in cash. Thank goodness that in those days both houses were controlled by Democrats — and Senate rules did not require a 60-vote supermajority to get anything done.
Most Republicans abandoned their isolationism after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941. The GOP commitment to internationalism was renewed after 1945 because of postwar Soviet aggression and then, after the end of the Cold War, by the 9/11 terrorist attacks. But since the end of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Republicans have been increasingly returning to their pre-Pearl Harbor roots.
The party’s leader, former president Donald Trump, has even embraced the “America First” slogan used by the original isolationists. And, just as so many of the 1930s isolationists, such as Charles Lindbergh, were sympathetic to Nazi Germany, Trump is sympathetic to Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Public opinion surveys have reflected a sharp drop-off in Republican support for Ukraine: In a Gallup poll published on Nov. 2, 62 percent of Republicans said the United States was doing too much to aid Ukraine, up from 50 percent in June.
Yet I confess that, until last week, I had remained naively hopeful that Congress would still do the right thing. After all, strong majorities in both houses had supported Ukraine funding bills in the past. Moreover, the current aid request is a pittance in the context of a $6.1 trillion federal budget (0.98 percent, to be exact), and most of the funds would be spent in the United States to support our own defense industry.
The new House speaker, Mike Johnson (R-La.), had initially voted for Ukraine aid before turning against it, but in recent weeks he sounded much more supportive of Ukraine, saying, “We can’t allow Vladimir Putin to march through Europe and we understand the necessity of assisting there.” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whose father was a U.S. Army soldier in Europe during World War II, has been a staunch supporter of Ukraine. “Honestly, I think Ronald Reagan would turn over in his grave if he saw we were not going to help Ukraine,” he said last month.
Yet now both leaders have taken the position that — as Johnson wrote this week — “supplemental Ukraine funding is dependent upon enactment of transformative change to our nation’s border security laws.” Good luck with that. The last time Congress enacted a major, bipartisan immigration bill was in 1986, when Reagan was in the White House. Lawmakers from both parties have been laboring for decades to craft another major bill. A decade ago, the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” thought they were close, only to have the deal fall apart. So it’s hard to take Republicans at face value when they insist on making aid to Ukraine dependent on breaking through decades of legislative logjams on immigration.
Why are they linking the two? The excuse heard from Republicans is that they can’t in good conscience support funding to defend Ukraine’s borders when our own borders are so insecure. They think that by invoking the common word “borders” they can pretend that the United States and Ukraine are in analogous situations. That would be true only if the Mexican Army were invading the southwestern United States to annex Arizona, New Mexico and Texas while announcing plans to march on Washington and destroy the United States as a sovereign country.
Needless to say, that hasn’t happened. What is happening is that millions of desperate immigrants are trying to enter the United States, legally and illegally, in pursuit of freedom and economic opportunity, just like the ancestors of most native-born Americans. The spike in undocumented immigration is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, but it can hardly be said to threaten the United States’ survival in the same way the Russian invasion threatens Ukraine’s.
By linking the two issues, Republicans are engaging in a bait-and-switch that gives them an excuse to do what their base wants — abandon Ukraine — while trying to blame Democrats for “jeopardizing security around the world,” as McConnell has charged.
As Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) told the New York Times: “You can’t say ‘I’m for Ukraine, but only if I get this wholly unrelated policy enacted.’ You can’t be for stopping Putin from taking over a country by force and then vote against providing Ukraine the resources to do just that.”
It is still possible that Democrats and Republicans will reach agreement on Ukraine funding. But the odds of Ukraine aid being approved look dimmer today than at any point since the Russian invasion, even as the Office of Management and Budget warns that U.S. support for Kyiv is running out: “We are out of money — and nearly out of time.”
Ukrainians will fight on regardless, and they will look for help to Europe, which has already committed twice as much funding as the United States. But, even working together, Europe and the United States have struggled to keep up with Ukraine’s need for ammunition. There is no way that Europe alone can carry the whole load, especially not when Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban — MAGA Republicans’ favorite foreign leader — is trying to block a $55 billion European Union aid package for Ukraine.
The United States has abandoned allies, such as South Vietnam and Afghanistan, before. But this time the costs of support are much lower (no U.S. soldiers are engaged in combat in Ukraine), and the stakes are far higher. Ukraine is fighting the largest war that Europe has seen since 1945. If it loses, Vladimir Putin may be emboldened to attack other neighboring states, such as the Baltic republics and even Poland, which are members of NATO. Other despots may be emboldened to aggression of their own, beginning with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Taiwan. And then we really will be back to the pre-Pearl Harbor world — all thanks to the Republican Party returning to its isolationist roots.
Unless Congress reverses course, and soon, it could be consigning our democratic allies to slaughter — and making the world a far more dangerous place.

The Repugnicans failure with regard to Ukraine is shameful. And shameless. And extraordinarily dangerous. The are putting ALL OF OUR ALLIES, US, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD at risk.
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What border law changes are they asking for?
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Ukraine lost – even Biden is giving Elensky the cold shoulder. Even with hundreds of billions in U.S. support, weapons and training they made no progress in their “spring” (sic) offensive, losing tens of thousands of lives in the process. How many more lives would you have them lose? How much more money should we pour down the toilet?
In the end, Ukraine will end up making a peace deal that will cede vast territory that they would not have had to give up had they accepted Russia’s offer in April 2022 (which the U.S. and the UK 86ed).
Ukrainian ultraright-wingers are waking up to the fact that the U.S. used them the same way the Afghanistan mujahideen were used. They’re going to become even more radicalized just like the mujahideen did. It’s going to be al-Qaeda and ISIS all over again. And again and again and again. Why anyone trust the U.S. when they’ve been breaking agreements and going back on promises since 1492 is beyond me.
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Still standing up for Putin, eh, Dienne. Your defenses of Putin’s aggression are ugly.
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The reason why Putin made the claim of genocide of ethnic Russians in Donbas (and that Dienne parrots that claim) is that under international law, one of the few excuses for invading another sovereign UN member state is to stop an ongoing genocide against one’s own nationals IF there is no alternative and IF one notifies the UN and IF the UN approves that necessity and ONLY for that purpose and ONLY in that limited area where it is taking place and ONLY until it is stopped there. But, ofc, the truth is that Russia had sent little green men, illegally, into Donbas, and Ukraine was not committing genocide there; it was fighting a war FOR ITS OWN TERRITORY, which is legal under international law. And, of course, Putin did not do the legal thing and notify the UN and get its approval for his action. He simply took it.
He’s a war criminal, and the International Court has ruled as such. He can be arrested if he steps foot in any UN country and then tried for his crimes.
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So, the International Court has ruled on this. Dienne is delusional. Ideology will do that to people. SHE IS FREAKING SUPPORTING MASS MURDER AND RAPE.
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Comrade Dienne, it seems as though Tsar Putin the Short has disappeared Navalny. Nothing new there, of course. It’s his standard modus operandi. And the Russian weapons and vehicles and munitions in Ukraine continue to fail and fail and fail and fail because of the kleptocracy that Putin has run for decades, in which money for military modernization was siphoned off into the pockets of Putin’s cronies. And Putin has emptied the jails to send criminals to be slaughtered in Ukraine. And Putin has already lost this war, big time, though he is so twisted and addled at this point that he doesn’t even realize it.
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You’re so cute, Bob.
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You would have loved Hitler then.
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Can you imagine dienne77’s paragraph about Ukraine if she had the added ammunition of being able to blame Ukraine for starting this by sending Ukraine militants to invade Russia and murder more than 1,000 civilians, and then taking hundreds of hostages back to Ukraine, including children?
I now realize why Netanyahu has continued his bombardment of Gaza. He know it will garner approval from people like dienne77 (assuming dienne77 is not an antisemitic hypocrite).
Next year, will dienne77 be writing this?
“The Palestinians lost – even Putin is giving Hamas the cold shoulder. Even with hundreds of billions in Iranian support, weapons and training they made no progress in their “spring” (sic) offensive, losing tens of thousands of lives in the process. How many more lives would you have them lose? How much more money should Iran pour down the toilet?
In the end, the Palestinians will end up making a peace deal that will cede vast territory that they would not have had to give up had they accepted Israel’s offer in 1948 – or 1993, or 2000, or 2008 – (which the Soviet/Russians and the other middle eastern countries 86ed).
Palestinians ultraright-wingers are waking up to the fact that Putin and Iran and Syria used them the same way the Afghanistan mujahideen were used. They’re going to become even more radicalized just like the mujahideen did. It’s going to be al-Qaeda and ISIS all over again. And again and again and again. Why anyone trusts Putin and the Russians when they’ve been breaking agreements and going back on promises since 1492 is beyond me.”
Does dienne77 blame the Palestinians for the tens of thousands of lives they lost, or does she just blame all the countries supporting the Palestinians?
This “Putin can do no wrong” and
it’s always the US’ fault” nonsense gets tiresome.
When our country ends democracy, it will be with the complicity of folks like dienne77 who claim they can’t see any difference between Putin and Biden or Biden and Trump or Republicans and Democrats, or fascists and Democrats. I don’t believe them. Their faux concern for Palestinian lives is belied by their contempt for Ukrainian lives.
dienne77, if Putin would just lay down his arms right now and leave Ukraine he would stop these deaths. Why aren’t lives taken by Putin important to you?
There is no danger to Russia if Putin stops murdering Ukranians. So why isn’t dienne77 calling for Russia to stop?
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Exactly, NYC. This was a war of choice on Putin’s part, undertaken as a step toward fulfilling the delusional imperial ambitions that he outlined in his historically bizarre essay “On the Historical Unity of Russia and Ukraine.” He chose it. He can choose to end it. If he doesn’t, there is NO CHOICE. He and his murderous army of literal criminals has to be driven out of the country entirely, out of every bit of it, including the Donbas and Crimea.
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Why aren’t we hearing loud calls for a ceasefire in Ukraine?
Why no demands that Putin end his naked aggression against a sovereign nation?
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Putin violated international law by invading a fellow UN member state. Then he violated it by committing mass murder and rape of civilians, deporting mass numbers of children, and obliterating civilian homes and cultural monuments. War criminal. Evil. It is breathtaking that some in the US would think this acceptable behavior.
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None of you have ever said what you would have done if you were in Putin’s shoes with NATO forces on your doorstep and Ukrainian nazis slaughtering people of your ethnic descent. “Not invade” is not a reasonable option, unless you think any country should have to put up with that (the U.S. sure the hell wouldn’t). So what other alternatives did Putin have that he didn’t try? Sorry, but if you poke the bear, I don’t have sympathy for you when the bear attacks back.
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Dienne,
However the Putin invasion turns out, Putin now has a much longer border with NATO since Finland and Sweden responded to his invasion by joining NATO. How did that work out for him?
Your undying support for the dictator Putin is remarkable.
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You laugh at me for “supporting” (sic) Putin, but you’re still supporting a country that is committing genocide with over 10,000 children and counting killed so far. I sleep well at night.
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The idea that Putin had to invade Ukraine because of having a potential NATO member on his border is utterly ludicrous, of course. Suppose that the creeeeeepy, murderous kleptocratic international war criminal hadn’t been a complete idiot and had been able to run over Ukraine and take it over in a few days’ time. Just suppose that that alternative history took place. So, Ukraine would have become part of Russia, as Putin envisioned in his imperialistic screed on the subject. IF THAT HAD HAPPENED, then the new, Expanded Russia, including Ukraine, would have NEW BORDERS with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, all NATO countries. So, taking over Ukraine would expand his NATO borders with a bunch of countries, not prevent the creation of a NATO border when Ukraine exercises its sovereign right to join whatever defensive treaty organization it chooses to join.
The other excuses given by Putin are equally ridiculous. Right. Zelensky the Jewish Nazi.
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Putin never had any intention of taking over ukraine as he said from the beginning. His intention was to protect the ethnic Russians in the Donbass, which he has accomplished.
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If the grand and glorious Putin has accomplished his goal (protecting the ethnic Russians in the Donbas), why hasn’t he packed up his drones and rockets and missiles and ended the war?
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Duh. Because ukraine is still throwing their soldiers’ lives away trying to retake that territory. He’s protecting his people. I understand that’s a foreign concept to Americans since our government doesn’t do that.
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Putin is “protecting his people” by blowing up apartment houses, schools and hospitals in Ukraine without regard to civilian life? By destroying vital infrastructure? Isn’t that what you criticize Netanyahu for? Why is it good when the Russians do it to Ukraine but “genocide” when Israel does it? Israel is responding to brutal atrocities and an invasion; what’s Russia’s excuse?
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Exactly, Diane.
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People have long memories. Europe remembers the Russian invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia. And now they have the example of the invasion of Ukraine. All of which proves the absolute necessity of NATO, and everyone in Europe and most people in the U.S. understand this. NATO is going nowhere. Putin, I hope, will end up where brutal, murderous dictators typically do. Think Gaddafi or Mussolini or Sadam Hussein.
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Dienne continues to attack NATO, the US, and Ukraine—and to justify Putin’s invasion. I see no reason to post her inflammatory and mendacious comments. In her latest, she says that most of the destruction in Ukraine was caused by Ukrainians, not Russians. I guess it was Ukrainians who turned Mariupol into a pile of rubble and a vast graveyard. There may be other blogs that will welcome a Putin groupie. Not here. No more.
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Dienne’s comments about Ukraine are so profoundly backward and wrong that one really wonders what’s going on with these. How are these even possible? One expects such craziness and untruth and denial of obvious facts from Dimitri Peskov or Sergey Lavrov or one of the other paid liars for the Kremlin under the creepy murderous imperialistic kleptocrat and indicted war criminal. But for an American citizen to spread, perhaps even to believe, this stuff that she posts is difficult to fathom. It’s just too weird. Curiouser and curiouser.
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Still defending and excusing anything Putin does.
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Such utter bullshit, Comrade Dienne. His initial foray was supposed to be a rapid strike against Kiev TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT OF THE COUNTRY.
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NATO is a defensive alliance. And it has to be, for clearly Putin has imperial ambitions. In his demented mind, and he has been quite clear about this, he wants to establish a Greater Russia that incorporates a lot of free countries that are now a part of NATO. Ukraine was fighting in Donbas TO RECLAIM ITS OWN COUNTRY, and the ethnic Russians of Ukraine are now united almost to the last person in their hatred of Putin. They have long memories and will not forget the murderousness and lawlessness of the untrained savages that Putin sent into Ukraine to rape and kill and loot.
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NATO is a “defensive alliance” that has the largest offensive body count of any organization in the history of the planet. There’s no way you’re really dumb enough to believe that, much less would you honestly expect Russia to believe that, especially after NATO lied about “not one inch east” (https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2022/08/22/what-did-the-west-promise-russia-on-nato-expansion/ ). Give it up. The rest of the world sees U.S. controlled NATO for what it is and it won’t last that much longer. And that’s a good thing.
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Dienne, now you hate NATO. The only country you admire seems to be Russia.
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The largest offensive body count in the history of the planet.
OK. That’s just nuts.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-american-intelligence-has-revealed-putin-s-huge-losses/ss-AA1lxvn2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=427fffdcc94444728dad413e96b18e26&ei=12#image=1
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dienne77 says: “if you poke the bear, I don’t have sympathy for you when the bear attacks back.”
Wow, really? What a 180 degree turnaround from you professing to care about all the supposed “baby killing” actions of Americans.
dienne77 says: “Ukrainian nazis slaughtering people of your ethnic descent. “Not invade” is not a reasonable option…”
So now dienne77 approves of massive retaliation for 18 months when “people of your ethnic descent” are slaughtered? Netanyahu will be pleased to know dienne77 approves of giving him at least 18 months to keep attacking and invading Gaza.
The reason dienne77’s defense of massive civilian casualties falls on deaf ears is that she don’t seem to care about any lives except those that allow her to bash the US and excuse the most abhorrent, needless actions of Putin.
Diane Ravitch, are you really sure she isn’t a Putin troll? It’s hard to understand why anyone who isn’t a far right authoritarian would be arguing in favor of Putin over Ukraine.
It is no coincidence that the far right Republican party spews exactly the same anti-Ukraine nonsense as dienne77.
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Just a reminder that withdrawing from NATO is one of the platform positions of the Democratic Socialists of America.
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I am not a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and would not join this organization.
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For Dienne: Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy[a] (also romanized as Zelensky or Zelenskiy or Володимир Олександрович Зеленський.
Please feel free to make some snarky, sarcastic, caustic, barbed retort, as is your custom.
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You left “brainwashed” off your list of adjectives, JJ.
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In other news, Rufo is up to his dirty tricks again, this time misrepresenting the facts about the president of Harvard’s doctoral dissertation.
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Biden can get aid to Ukraine approved this week by Congress with large majorities of Republicans in both the House and Senate voting in favor. But he is not willing to meaningfully restrict immigration over the southern border – those are future Democratic voters. It’s as basic as that.
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I love this blog. Chock full of both Democrats and Republicans who think Biden actually is some kind of lefty. You do know that Biden was the one who completed Trump’s wall, right?
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You do know that a few days ago 12,000 non-citizens entered the U.S. through the southern border in one day, right? You do know that NYC and several other cities have been overwhelmed by this problem, not even counting other cities right on the border, right?
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NYC and other cities are sent migrants by Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott. Sitting on a $30 billion surplus but not a Penny to raise teachers salaries unless he gets vouchers for religious schools.
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I certainly do not think that Biden is some sort of lefty.
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Your preferred narrative is wrong: Gov. Abbott has not caused most of the problems of NYC being overwhelmed with migrants. From a September 7, 2023 article in the NY Times (linked below):
“New York alone has received more than 100,000 migrants in the last year; only 13,100 were sent on buses provided by the state of Texas.”
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Only 13,000
What a vile, racist cretin. He should be in the dock charged with kidnapping on a mass scale, which is a Crime against Humanity under the Rome Convention.
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Mr. Shepherd,
Make an effort to be well-informed; read the NYT article. Those people voluntarily went to NYC, as did tens of thousands of others.
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A lot of people “voluntarily” went from Texas and Florida to various cities around the country after A-butt and Rhonda Santis passed out leaflets telling them that they had a chance to go to paradise where they would be housed and fed and get jobs.
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I didn’t see any proposals by congressional republicans that would do much to alleviate the migrant crisis. The biggest problem is the backlog of asylum claims. There needs to be a big increase in immigration judges. Maybe also changes to streamline how asylum claims are adjudicated. If Republicans were on board with that, I would have no problem with including more border wall funding.
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We need you in Congress negotiating this mess, Flerp.
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Agree. We need a lot more immigration judges. Instead, migrants in limbo flood the cities, and it disturbs residents.
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Bob Shepherd
You are making an assumption that Republicans actually want a solution to undocumented immigration.
They don’t ! It is a political bludgeon. Flerp! would get nowhere.
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Joel, you are so right.
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I get a knot in my stomach when I think about the plight of Ukraine which is literally the gateway to Europe. We cannot abandon the Ukrainian people and our European allies. The fact that the GOP would use Ukraine as a bargaining chip in an extortionist attempt to get their way on border policy shows how morally bankrupt the right wing has become. Extortion is not a sound way to create policy. I hope Democrats fire back at the GOP and portray them as a lawless bunch of Russian sympathizers, which, unfortunately, seems to be the case. We need coherent border policy based on mutual understanding of national interests, but extortion is not the way to do it on such a consequential international issue. Thanks for connecting to dots to our history and WWII.
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Totally with you, RT. We must win Ukraine.
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So, so very much at stake.
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Let’s be clear about this: what is at stake in Ukraine is the very foundational principle of the United Nations and of international law, that members cannot violate, and do so violently, the territorial integrity of fellow member states.
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Excellent post from Fiona Hill at Politico:
Let’s just put it frankly — this is all about the upcoming presidential election. It’s less about Ukraine and it’s more about the fact that we have an election coming up next year. The problem is that many members of Congress don’t want to see President Biden win on any front. People are incapable now of separating off “giving Biden a win” from actually allowing Ukraine to win. They are thinking less about U.S. national security, European security, international security and foreign policy, and much more about how they can humiliate Biden.
In that regard, whether they like it or not, members of Congress are doing exactly the same thing as Vladimir Putin. They hate that. They want to refute that. But Vladimir Putin wants Biden to lose, and they want Biden to be seen to lose as well.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/12/fiona-hill-ukraine-putin-00131285?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Max Boot is a strong conservative. I doubt he and I agree on much.
But we agree on this. And Boot, no matter how many leftie and left-leaning critics refuse to believe him, speaks what he believes is true, and truth is non-partisan. My reaction to much of what Boot says and does is one of disagreement and also respect, and he is 100% right about Ukraine. And he holds his beliefs passionately and honestly, and we need to hold tight to truth tellers irrespective of political persuasion, because there are damned few of them. And Boot is a truth teller.
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Max Boot hasn’t been a conservative of any type for several years. He used to be, but in his reaction to Trump he has become a tribalist Leftie who has changed position on almost all issues, not just foreign policy.
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Yeah, I don’t think so.
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Thank you, JSR. With you 100 percent on this.
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I have a lot of respect for Boot.
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It’s too bad the U.S. and U.K. scuttled a proposed peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine in the spring of 2022. In a war of attrition, Ukraine is running out of soldiers to fight through the winter. (The average age of Ukrainian soldiers is now 40+ years old.) Bloodthirsty warmonger Max Boot reliably gives voice in support of the money laundering operation that is the U.S. Pentagon. Perhaps the U.S. will see a decline in immigration when it ends regime change wars and economic sanctions causing destruction all over the world.
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No settlement. This war ends with Russia out of the Donbas and out of Crimea and out of the rest of Ukraine. Not until.
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Didn’t Russia offer to settle by Ukraine giving to Russia whatever it had stolen from Ukraine? Bad deal.
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An utterly ridiculous deal. A robber comes into your house and ties up your family in a bedroom and tells you, “I’ve got a deal for you. We can end all this right here and now. You just sign this deed to your living room and spare bedroom and basement over to me, and we’ll end this occupation.”
Uh, no.
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Between 2014 and 2021, the west failed to live up to the Minsk agreements and Ukrainian forces slaughtered thousands of Russian-speaking men, women, and children in eastern Ukraine. Prior to its invasion, Russia asked for an assurance that Ukraine would remain a neutral nation and not join NATO. Egged on by the west, Ukraine was to be a cat’s paw in an effort to weaken Russia. Alas, Ukraine became another sacrificial lamb in one of several failed proxy wars the U.S./NATO has waged around the world. Meanwhile, weapons manufacturers rake in record profits while a stubborn minority of Americans continue to support pushing conscripted Ukrainian soldiers to their deaths. Sooner or later, a negotiated ceasefire, truce, or treaty will be achieved. How many more Ukrainians must die while westerners figure out how to best save face?
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James,
You failed to mention important differences between Russia and Ukraine: Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship that invaded Ukraine. Ukraine aspires to be democratic, to join the EU and NATO. Ukraine did not invade Russia. Putin has been in power for 25 years. He kills or jails anyone who poses a threat to his one-man rule.
Why should anyone support Putin in his desire to expand his empire?
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Russia has wasted lives and its military equipment in its mad desire to crush Ukraine:
The NY Times, today:
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
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James,
Russia failed to live up to the Budapest Agreement of 1994, in which Ukraine agreed to give its large stockpile of nuclear weapons to Russia in return for a promise by Russia, the US, and the UK to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty.
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Well said, Bob. It is almost like what the GOP is trying to do to The Democrats over Ukraine funding. It is not fair negotiations. It is extortion.
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Bob, you think it’s possible that Ukraine can win the war? All the analysis I’ve seen says they can’t win. How can the Ukrainians get Russia out of the Donbas and Crimea?
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https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2319883/institute-study-war-map.webp?w=790&f=2c4dd20779e9db9bbb9c3899b980e359
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And Russia lost 11,000 of its hapless, untrained, convicted criminal “troops” in November alone.
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Per CNN, a U.S. intelligence assessment, Russia has lost 87% of its active duty ground troops since they invaded Ukraine.
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From Heather Cox Richardson’s newsletter, today:
A newly declassified intelligence memo shows that Russia had an army of 360,000 before the war and that thanks to the Ukraine resistance it has lost 315,000 troops—87% of its army—forcing it to squeeze more recruits out of its civilian population. It has also lost 2,200 out of 3,500 tanks, forcing it to turn to Soviet-era equipment.
Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, who was in Washington, D.C., today to try to convince Republicans to pass such a measure, noted that Ukraine has regained half the land Russia seized in the February 2022 invasion, forced Russian warships out of Ukrainian territorial waters, and opened export corridors to get Ukrainian grain to countries that desperately need it.
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Putin has claimed he will recruit 100,000 new troops when he is “reelected.”
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Putin will have to empty all the prisons to recruit new troops.
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Do you think Putin will be re-elected? A nail biter!
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That is because the GOP is no longer controlled by real conservatives but by fascist loving MAGA-RINOs controlled by Traitor Trump who is in love with brutal dictators like Putin.
Dated March 2022
Trump Just Endorsed an Oath Keeper’s Plan to Seize Control of the Republican Party
The “precinct strategy” widely promoted by Steve Bannon has already inspired thousands of Trump supporters to fill local GOP positions, intent on preventing a “stolen election.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-just-endorsed-an-oath-keepers-plan-to-seize-control-of-the-republican-party
In the last few years, Traitor Trump’s followers have hijacked what was once a real conservative party. Still, real conservatives have been losing ground for decades. By the time Traitor Trump’s loyalist MAGA RINOs showed up, there weren’t enough of them left to stop the fascist, theo-libertarian takeover of the GOP.
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Diane, The NY times yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/us/politics/us-ukraine-war-strategy.html
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Thanks. The article made it clear that there are two choices: The US do what the right wing Republicans want and give Ukraine to Putin or try to stop Putin’s Hitleresque desire to take over more countries.
some of anti-Ukraine rhetoric sounds a lot like Father Coughlin and the pro-Nazi Americans in the 1930s.
It isn’t a coincidence that the neo-fascist, “there are good Nazis” Republicans seem to believe that it’s better for Ukraine to be under Putin’s thumb than continue its’ experiment in democracy.
For people like Father Coughlin, the claim to want the US to be neutral was really about being pro-Hitler. What was missing was a strong condemnation of Hitler.
I hear similar things from the people here advocating “neutrality” while they refuse to say anything bad about Putin and offer up the most cockamamie excuses for the atrocities he commits. Everyone has a right to be pro-Hitler or pro-Putin, but they should own it. They don’t support peace (if they did, they would have objected to Putin’s 18+ month attacks on Ukraine). They support Putin the same way many folks advocating the US be neutral during WWII were actually pro-Hitler (and anti-Semites.)
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I had a conversation with a person who likely gets his ideas from right leaning sources. He opined that we needed only to fund military operations that put US troops in charge of the money we invest. I suspect this is the line Republicans are throwing at the wall to see if it sticks and erodes confidence in Ukraine as our ally. It simultaneously erodes future support for NATO. Are Republicans paid by Putin?
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“More important, cutting Ukraine adrift would be a huge victory for Putin”
It’s not so far fetched to think that this is part of the agenda/objective.
Consider:
1) Trump took the word of Putin over all of our nations’ intelligence services. He “looked him in the eye” and knew he was telling the truth.
2) Trump’s the figurehead and leader of what’s turning out to be the majority of today’s Republican Party.
3) Tucker Carlson, a serious media (not necessarily personal) ally to Trump, while at FOX, aired a segment in which he asked (I quote in my own words), “Wouldn’t we be better off allying with both Russia and China, the other two dominant world military powers, than support and send our money and support to smaller players like Ukraine?”
Again: the quote is not exact, but it is definitely the idea he was conveying. On national television. I saw this clip and I was floored.
I believe that’s one of the end goals, here, of the current extreme right.
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Trump has been Putin’s dog for a long, long time. Since at least the 1980s.
MAGA: Moscow’s Asset Governing America
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/
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Never thought I’d see anything like this. In the name of “freedom”. So easily led.
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Gitapik,
World War 2 would have ended quickly if we had allied with Hitler.
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Got an actual “LOL” from me on that one, Diane. But it’s true and apropos. There were plenty of Nazi sympathizers within the allied countries at the time.
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Yes, Hitler had sympathizers in many countries. The Bund. Charles Lindbergh. Joseph P. Kennedy. The Brits had the Duke of Windsor.
Many people of high status like the idea of a strong leader. Many in the 1930s believed in white Aryan superiority, hated Jews and Blacks.
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We must fight (and beat) the people who want to limit what’s taught in history to what’s deemed patriotic and “comfortable” to the learners. Lest history repeat itself. The parallel of Putin and Hitler is a perfect example.
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About those Nazi sympathizers in the US. I highly recommend Edwin Black’s brilliant and breathtaking and extremely well-written history War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America’s Campaign to Create a Master Race, Expanded Edition. This book is mind-expanding.
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I’ve heard of IBM’s shady dealings in WWII but haven’t investigated.
Looking forward to another source of knowledge and disillusionment.
I’ll check my it out. Thanks, Bob.
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On this topic of pre-war Naziism in the United States, I also highly recommend Stefan Kuhl’s The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism. Also excellent and dealing specifically with IBM’s assistance to the Nazis is Edwin’s Black’s IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America’s Most Powerful Corporation.
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I support Israel but I have never supported the invasion of Gaza or Netanyahu. Unlike your passionate defense of Putin, I have said multiple times that Netanyahu is a terrible leader. I think he should resign. He has never sought peace or a two-state solution, both of which I hope for.
If an election were held in Israel tomorrow, Netanyahu would be ousted by nearly 80% of Israelis.
When if ever will there be a free election in Russia? Never?
And you keep defending that miserable tyrant Putin and making crazy excuses for his invasion of a sovereign state.
I make no excuse for Netanyahu. I believe he must be held accountable for his failed policies.
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Has dienne77 ever strongly condemned Putin for anything? I noticed that both Putin and Trump seem to be immune from dienne77’s criticism. dienne77 may mildly criticize Putin and Trump’s manners or their looks, but she totally pulls her punches when it comes to condemnation of their most abhorrent actions and instead comes up with all kinds of rationalizations for why what they did is normal and doesn’t deserve criticism.
It’s beyond strange at this point. If her account wasn’t hacked, then something else is going on.
Calling someone with significant power orange-haired, or uncouth or an oaf isn’t criticism. And when criticism is EXCLUSIVELY about looks and manners, it’s just an attempt to distract from what is so dangerous and unacceptable about them.
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Dienne justifies whatever Putin does. She never finds fault with him. Ukraine, she believes, is run by Nazis. The West, she believes, “forced” Putin to invade Ukraine by encouraging Ukraine’s pro-Western tendencies and its desire to join the EU and NATO.
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Yeah. Who do they think they are? Some kind of sovereign nation?
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If supporting a ruthless dictator enables you to sleep well at night, let’s just say that we are very different people.
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One thing I wish the Biden administration would do is call the Republican’s bluff by presenting a very specific immigration platform to the American people. The “gang of eight” was a legislative strategy that never took the initiative to articulate immigration goals to the public. Therefore, the right wing misinformation machine blew up the initiative. Certainly aid to Ukraine should not be held up for this charade, but forcing MAGA Republican’s to respond with an actual plan would represent another feather in the 2024 cap as evidence that they are not competent.
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