There is one good reason to subscribe to Esquire: to read Charles Pierce, one of the most perceptive writers of our time. Pierce writes about education on occasion, and he’s always on target. In this column, he skewers the casual cruelty of Texas Governor Greg Abbott , who seized control of the Houston public schools on the flimsiest of pretexts, and Houston’s new superintendent Mike Miles, who’s pushing his top-down ideas without regard to anyone else’s views. Miles is a military man who learned about education at the Broad Academy, where one of the central teachings was to ignore public opinion, as well as the views of local teachers.
Pierce writes:
This week, something altogether remarkable, and not in a good way, happened in the city of Houston in the state of Texas. On June 1, the state of Texas, which is wholly governed by Greg Abbott and a compliant, and heavily gerrymandered state legislature, took over the Houston Independent School District. The pretext was flimsy, as so many of Abbott’s pretexts are, where he even bothers to provide them. (That legislature again.) The decision was, well, unpopular. From Texas Monthly:
Mike Miles, the state-appointed superintendent of the Houston Independent School District, might be the most hated person in Harris County. At last week’s school board meeting—the first since Miles was officially hired—residents crowded HISD headquarters, in northwest Houston, to oppose the state’s takeover of the school district. One speaker compared Miles, who is the son of a Black father and a Japanese mother, to a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Another described the state’s recent seizure of HISD, which serves a student population that is 62 percent Hispanic and 22 percent Black—as an “act of racial violence.” Larry McKinzie, an educator and former State Board of Education candidate, appeared to make a physical threat against Miles: “Realize this: you’re safe at forty-four-hundred West Eighteenth”—the location of the board meeting—“but you’ll have to go back [home].” Not one of the 33 attendees who gave public comments had anything good to say about their new superintendent. It was hard to gauge Miles’s reaction to the criticism, because he spent the entire public-comment period in a back room, watching the meeting on TV.
A meeting the night before this one had dissolved into chaos, so the new HISB rescheduled the meeting for the next night, using a plan that had the lovely tang of East Germany to it.
In an apparent effort to keep order, the board allowed only 35 members of the public into last week’s meeting room, which can accommodate more than 300. The remaining 100 or so attendees were relegated to an overflow room. Several attempted to force their way into the main room, only to be turned back by armed police officers. One teacher who had registered to speak at the meeting was arrested for criminal trespassing and spent the night in jail.
Houston officials tried to fight the takeover, and they even got it stalled for four years. But the puppet show that is the government of Texas has many fail-safe devices and they all work.
Houston leaders overwhelmingly opposed the takeover, citing HISD’s overall B rating from the state and strong financial position. In 2019 the district sued the state, delaying the takeover for four years. The legal battle ended in January, when the Texas Supreme Court—whose nine members are all Republicans—sided with the TEA.
Miles beta-tested his sophisticatedly named New Education System in Dallas, where it proved to be a matter of long-term pain for short-term gain. This week, its implementation in Houston was widely interpreted as equally ominous. From Texas Public Media:
Librarian and media specialist positions are being eliminated at 28 campuses designated to be part of Miles’ New Education System (NES), which entails premade lesson plans for teachers, classroom cameras for disciplinary purposes and a greater emphasis on testing-based performance evaluations, among other initiatives. The libraries at those schools will continue to include books that can be read or checked out by students but are otherwise being reimagined as “team centers” where special programming will be held and disruptive students will be sent so as not to interfere with their classmates’ learning, according to HISD spokesperson Joseph Sam. The library-related changes also could be coming to the 57 schools where principals elected to be NES-aligned campuses, with Sam saying that would be determined on a campus-by-campus basis.
If this seems extreme, that’s only because it is — homogenized lesson plans, surveillance in the classroom, “special programs” for “disruptive students.” And libraries turned into “discipline centers,” which, truth be told, are not as dungeon-adjacent as their name might imply, although their name so clearly implies it that the NES folks like to call them “team centers.”
That most of the affected students will be from low-income communities of color should be obvious from jump, which means god alone knows what the NES definition of “disruptive” in practice is going to be. (In some places, “disruptive” students have drawn the attention of the local police. So maybe things are looking up.) What is also obvious is that any complaints will go into a political meat-grinder that is rigged in such an ironclad fashion that an fair outcome is nearly impossible. And around and around it goes.

I’m not well-versed in what’s happening in Houston, but since I don’t expect the comments here to be any more positive about these developments than Pierce is, I will just pose the question: doesn’t this sound like something that could make an immediate positive difference in the lives of students who want to learn?
“The libraries at those schools will continue to include books that can be read or checked out by students but are otherwise being reimagined as “team centers” where special programming will be held and disruptive students will be sent so as not to interfere with their classmates’ learning, according to HISD spokesperson Joseph Sam.”
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I thought you wanted to keep schools open during the pandemic and not subject students to remote learning. I disagreed with you when there was a health risk that classrooms should be open, but students should be allowed to attend in person when there is no risk. Why would you want to keep students out of classrooms when the classrooms are open and perfectly safe? That’s what you’re talking about when you’re talking about mass detention, the school version of mass incarceration. How would you feel if your daughter had to go back to remote learning in a detention center for a while? There are far superior ways to deal with undesirable behavior. I haven’t sent a student out of class in I don’t know how many years. Decades.
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“Why would you want to keep students out of classrooms when the classrooms are open and perfectly safe?”
A lot of the teachers I talk to have big complaints about small numbers of students who make it difficult or impossible for the rest to learn. It’s not immediately apparent to me how removing such students from classrooms isn’t at least in part a good thing.
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I also have heard teachers complain about disruptive students, too many teachers. Many teachers use punishment instead of more positive methods, an extreme example being Michelle Rhee, who foolishly bragged to have taped disruptive students’ mouths shut. I was taught in methods classes how to deal with disruption. One way to deal with a class clown is to play along. The teacher must remain the center of attention, and the best way to do that is with personality. It takes charm and wit.
It’s necessary to know when to acknowledge and when to ignore a class clown and to pay attention to what kind of reinforcement you’re providing the clown because reinforcement in the form of punishment does not work. The ruler across the knuckles does not work. Sending a student out of class when there is a problem is like drinking alcohol when there is a problem. The problem is still there while you’re trying to ignore it, and it’s almost certainly getting worse. Eventually, just as in stupidly designed no-excuses charter schools, you wind up trying to kick people out of school. You wind up taking away students’ agency over themselves, teaching them the wrong lessons and in some cases violating their civil rights. This is not the way we as a society treat each other.
As for the rest of the class, they benefit from having the class clown stay in the room. Every student is paying attention to everything every teacher and parent says and does. The immediate effect if a classmate gets punished, it makes them all uncomfortable with the adult. The long term affect is all your students growing up learning to punish people they don’t like. If a classmate is treated with kindness and understanding, all students feel more comfortable with the adult, respect the adult more, work harder to be respected in return, learn better social skills, and learn more academically than they would if they could hear a pin drop.
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Dear LeftCoastTeacher,
I love reading your perspective. And not because I always agree with you. But your clarity is refreshing and your ideas sometimes challenge me. I enjoy that. I, too, cannot remember the last time I exiled a student from my class. Though I have taken to naming my gray hairs and the lines on my face after certain, shall we say, more memorable students. Haha. Just kidding. Sort of. 😉
Dear FLERP!,
I cannot say for certain if you are a troll or sincere in your query. I am responding, so I reckon your query is sincere. I offer the following comments in the hopes of shedding some light on how some people (me included) view these “New Education System” policies; specifically, the targeted segregation and exclusion of some students from the classroom. As for why a prescribed curriculum is indecent or unhealthy, I would refer you to anything written by Neil Postman, Frank McCourt, Nancy Atwell, or a host of other writers on the subject of discovering voice and agency.
What may not be “immediately apparent” to you is that a public school teacher’s job is to teach everyone that shows up in her/his classroom and in their roll book. We take ’em all, FLERP!. The orphans and the children from nuclear families, the junior diabetics and the vegans, the gifted and the gabby, the excuse-makers and the responsible, the obese and the unfed, the cheerleaders and the wallflowers, the beautifully broken and the tragically built, etc…
We are public school teachers, FLERP!. We do not have the luxury of exiling someone or a group of someones because we do not know how to reach them or teach them. It is our job to reach them and teach them. Period. If someone does not like the job, I understand: it really isn’t what non-educators think it is. Also, If someone does not know how to do the job, I understand. I truly do. This is exceedingly difficult work, and there are times when I feel like an utter failure. But this ain’t the same as being a plumber: we are dealing in human capital and the metric for success is murky at best. If a teacher cannot adapt or ask for help, perhaps it is simply best to find another line of work.
The Eli Broads of the world remind me of the people who swear an oath to the US Constitution but seek to limit its protections because they do not like what some people have to say or some people’s religion or some people’s desire for privacy, etc… It is like that fool in Florida screaming about destroying “woke culture.” You can’t just tug on this or that thread of the founding documents and pretend you still pledge allegiance to the flag you are unraveling. One cannot pretend to still believe in the principles of our Democracy while cherry-picking only the parts or people they prefer. Sorry, but Democracy is a pain in the ass like that.
What the Broadies do is destructive, mean, and reactionary, not to mention inelegant and indecent. Moreover, they are actively destroying those democratic ideals they claim to cherish. Segregating and excluding students? Indoctrinating students with a prescribed curriculum? Teaching kids WHAT to think rather than teaching them HOW to think? Nah, that’s not what we are about.
I have encountered more than my fair share of Broadies. And they certainly make my job more difficult, unnecessarily difficult. Non-educators the lot of ’em. And, ironically, anti-American. But it is best not to make the same mistake that Austin Beutner and Mike Miles and Eli Broad make: we are not weak and we will fight with every breath and ounce of energy we have to preserve the notion that ALL students deserve our best. You are right to characterize Pierce (and commenters on this thread) as hostile to what is happening in Houston and across the country. Lord knows, I have certainly spoken out in anger against people who do not understand the job, yet make policies for the practitioners doing the work. Yuck.
Here is also what may not be “immediately apparent” to you: private schools have the luxury of segregation and exclusion based on religion or class or behavior or gender as is their right. But we in the public sector follow a much different path. We believe in what John Dewey wrote over a century ago. “What the best and wisest parent wants for his own child, that must the community want for all of its children. Any other ideal for our schools is narrow and unlovely, and acted upon, it destroys our democracy” (Dewey, 1900). We are public school teachers, and our job is difficult. And maybe what we do is grotesque to you or the Broadies. Even so, “all” does not mean just the students we like or those kids who have figured out how to be compliant and make our lives easy. “All” means all.
Hope that helps to clear things up,
T. Alfera
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Thanks for the response. I’m not a “troll.” My comments here span a range. I often play devil’s advocate, which I think is a healthy way to spur debate, because the comments sometimes can become a bit of an echo chamber otherwise. Sometimes I try to do irony or comedy. Sometimes I post off-the-cuff thoughts. Other times I am straightforward and earnest, even confessional. Few if any of my comments are disingenuous, though.
I appreciate your thoughts, although I know several teachers who don’t agree.
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Eloquent, Mr Alfera.
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Flerp is always sincere. Flerp is also an attorney, I believe. My experience with the lawyers in my circle is that they are highly experienced arguers, enjoy a good philosophical debate, and therefore love to play the devil’s advocate. All good.
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Thanks for the kind words, LCT, and back at you. I don’t get a lot of positive reinforcement here!
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It’s funny, but I’ve read and re-read FLERP’s comment several times and I can’t find where he said anything about supporting or not supporting the take-over. Maybe you’re seeing more than I am?
Also, I’ve read and re-read your response and I’m not seeing an answer to FLERP’s question. Again, if I’m missing something, please point me to it. Thanks!
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Consider Mike Miles’ actions as a whole. Top-down, authoritarian.
I believe in the importance of librarians. He is committed to disruption.
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Fair enough. Just wanted to pose the question.
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It’s “funny”? Let’s turn it around on you, and see what you think.
Imagine Diane posts a story about Joe Biden making himself president for life.
In my hypothetical, you assume the discussion will be about the issues involved in Biden making himself president for life, but I object to any criticism of Biden.
However, I am too disingenuous to simply say that I feel very uncomfortable if anything negative is said about Biden and while I could leave the discussion, I would personally prefer that no one talks about the extreme danger in Biden declaring himself president for life. And I want to put folks like you who object to Biden declaring himself president for life on the spot, and force you to acknowledge the positives that come out of Biden being president for life.
So I say:
“I’m not well-versed in what Biden is doing, but since I don’t expect the comments here to be any more positive about what Biden is doing, I will just pose the question: doesn’t this sound like something that could make an immediate positive difference in the lives of Americans?: Biden is enacting a policy that will drastically cut climate-damaging chemicals.”
dienne77, are you now going to tell me it is BAD for Americans that a president is cutting climate cutting chemicals and environmental pollutants? You either agree with me that Biden’s power has a good result that will help people, or you acknowledge that you don’t care about the environmental destruction in this world and you think it is a very bad thing for Biden to stop the destruction of our country.
But dienne77, you aren’t allowed to point out that any good Biden might do would be severely negated by all the bad things his being president for life would cause. Because that would make you a hypocrite given that you object to me doing just that when flerp! hijacked the discussion to talk about a POSITIVE that came from the neofascist takeover of Houston schools. You can either say I am right that there is this very good outcome from making Biden president for life, or you can say that you strongly object to any environmental regulations (thus letting us assume that you love pollution and hate anyone who tries to stop industry from polluting).
I shouldn’t have to tell you this. Have some integrity here.
Do YOU want to have a discussion about this great policy that came from ending democracy because you think it is important, in a time when democracy ends, to remind people of the good things that come out of it?
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NYCPSP,
No one suggested that Biden should be president for life, so it’s a silly discussion. Not even Biden suggested it. Just drop the hypothetical. State your views but please try not to react to FLERP or Dienne.
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Dienne, I’m just ignoring her from now on.
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To answer your question: NO!
He has proven that his policies don’t work-see his work in Dallas and other districts, and harm the teaching and learning process while harming all students.
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NYCPSP,
I disagree with FLERP’s nasty tirade and will delete the offensive part. I would have done it sooner but didn’t see it.
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Diane, I merely meant that if you interact with it, the terrible thing metastasizes and takes over the thread. That’s been proven over and over. This thread will be yet another example. I wrote something she didn’t like, and suddenly she’s writing comment after comment accusing me of something. I’ve seen it happen a hundred times (sadly, probably more), and I’ve tired of it.
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FLERP, your first thought was right. Don’t engage. I have said the same to the other person. Express your views. No invective.
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Broad Academy Hit Man Mike Miles In Houston’s HISD. Is now appealing to TEA for a waiver. He wants to hire uncertified administrators, teachers and substitutes.
Miles’ Takeover District is looking to hire 350 “associate teachers”, also known as substitutes. The district is offering 10-month contracts, and applicants DON’T EVEN NEED a bachelor’s degree. Oh but they must have at least 48 college credit hours. Pretend educators, prison guards and plundered school libraries.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/education/article/houston-isd-board-meeting-teacher-certification-18272181.php
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“Disruptive” is a good sign, not a bad sign. Great spirits are disruptive: Jesus, Copernicus, Rosa Parks, Florence Nightingale as well as the unnamed kid in an unnamed classroom. Our job includes asking why they are disruptive and what they are disrupting, no?
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Mike Miles is not a great spirit. No, he is not akin to Jesus or Rosa Parks. He has been given charge of the lives of students in the Houston public schools. Disrupting their lives is not a good idea. I have yet to hear anything from him about opening medical clinics in poor neighborhoods or supplying free meals to kids who are hungry. He is just tearing things up. That’s what Broad trained him to do.
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The only class disruptor who should be removed to serve detention is Mike Miles.
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SHOCK DOCTRINE. Explains the way that force, stealth and manufactured crisis. Are used when implementing neoliberal economic policies.
Broad Academy/Charter School Ideology privatization, deregulation, and cuts to social services/public schools/community health/citizen democracy.. The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism/2007.
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HISD Mike Miles is a former Army Ranger and diplomat. He brought disruption and controversy to Dallas ISD. His questionable hires, each internal investigation, each clash with trustees took focus and energy away from what Miles and DISD needed to do most: improve education for the district’s 160,000 students, most of them from poor families and many learning English.
When he left, the Dallas district had few academic gains to show for all the disruption. State test scores remained largely flat, and in several cases they were down. Veteran teachers and principals departed, by choice or by force.
“Mike Miles shot himself in the foot so many times, and I believe that’s because he was not a lifelong educator,” said Michael MacNaughton, chairman of Dallas Friends of Public Education. “He was a military man who is used to giving orders and having them followed without question.”
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2015/06/24/disruption-scandals-clashes-had-dogged-dallas-isds-mike-miles/
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Exactly right, Kathy.
Teachers fled Dallas when Miles was there.
He thought he could raise test scores by threats. He didn’t.
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What is happening Houston should not be happening at all if the state had sound leadership. It is hostile takeover with all the trappings of big brother watching over the diabolic operation. Miles is the disruptor in chief who created chaos in Dallas, now he has a new mission from puppet master Abbott to spread his chaos and toxic control in Houston.
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Yes. Houston is being punished by Abbott for voting blue
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But doesn’t the fact that disruptive students will be sent to libraries sound like something that could make an immediate positive difference in the lives of students who want to learn?
Sorry for posting twice, but I believe that is a very important issue to discuss and I am not being disingenuous at all here. I am just very curious to hear everyone’s opinion on whether that would make an immediate positive difference in the lives of students who want to learn.
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What causes that supposed disruption?
Yep, the standards and testing malpractice regime which Miles wants implement with an iron cross, oops I mean iron fist.
Why would I want to be in a class that is dedicated to raising test scores with all the accompanying malpractices. . . That tells me I am stupid? Hey, if I disrupt I can get sent to the “disruption center” or whatever it is called for a free day. . . or year. What was that movie? The Breakfast Club?
In twenty one years of teaching I sent two students to the office for egregious disruptive behavior. But then again what I taught-Spanish was not part of the standards and testing malpractice regime and I did not let that nonsense into my class/curriculum as much as the adminimals tried to shove it in.
As LeftCoastTeacher stated above “There are far superior ways to deal with undesirable behavior” starting with having a fully qualified teacher who, not only is respectful of the students, but uses teaching and learning processes that properly engage all students. The standards and testing malpractice regime does not qualify as teaching and learning processes that properly engage all students and certainly is not respectful of the student.
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I love your question. It does presuppose, however, that the “disruptors” do not want to learn. That has not been my experience. On the contrary, there IS a reason for the disruption.
I love the perspective McCourt (Teacher Man) brings to the topic. Learn to see the people sitting in front of us. See them and ask why they are disrupting (or complying)? Proceed accordingly, though it may mean ditching the pre-determined curriculum. Kids, like many folks, detect and despise having their voices and agency stripped.
Palahniuk (Fight Club) asks of the disruptive person, “If you could be God’s worst enemy or nothing at all, which would you choose?” Though this is difficult for some, for those who feel stripped of agency, for those demanding to be heard and seen the choice is simple: disrupt!
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I agree with Sr Swacker and Mr Alfero.
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Oops! Sorry, Mr Alfera. I have a great propensity to make mistakes recalling people’s names.
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Remember, the question to be discussed is SPECIFICALLY about “students who want to learn”.
Do public schools care about doing what is best for “students who want to learn”, or do they focus on the needs of all students, so that “students who want to learn” can’t benefit from the kind of policies that would arguably be beneficial to them and appeal to their parents?
Charters have made inroads by appealing to parents who want a school that focuses on “students who want to learn”.
The way to get public support for this right wing takeover of public schools is to amplify the supposedly “good” things that will happen for “students who want to learn”. It may not be morally or ethically right, but unfortunately bringing up what is best for “students who want to learn” is an excellent propaganda tool. As is the insidious belief that public schools sacrifice the needs of “students who want to learn” because they don’t care about them as much as they care about the disruptive ones.
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My post where I thanked LCT and Thomas Alfera for taking the time to write such brilliant and thoughtful replies in the thread above was apparently banned. So I just wanted to post to say thank you for addressing this. I don’t know how convincing your replies will be to parents who are now hearing the propaganda that this right wing takeover is going to benefit “students who want to learn” by removing disruptive students – that narrative seems to have helped charters tremendously. But your replies really do demonstrate the compassion and care of teachers in public schools.
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NYCPSP,
I would be grateful if you stop taking shots at another reader. The animosity is unwanted and unnecessary. Just say what you want without making it personal.
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We teachers should not have to convince parents or the public of anything regarding how we teach. It is not my intention to compete with charter schools for parents who think their neighbors’ children are recidivists. It should be our intention not to compete for students with charter schools; it should be our intention to abolish charter schools and all the toxically self-destructive loathing of others that goes with them.
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LCT,
How’s that attitude working out for you?
It’s not about competing with charters. It is about the privatizers being very successful in pushing a narrative that charters are a good thing to have in urban areas (not necessarily in someone’s own suburban public school district) because it provides an option – “choice” – for the students who want to learn.
That’s why it is possible for the majority of Americans to like their own public school and still believe charters are a good option for students who don’t have access to the good public school that they do. It’s why Bernie Sanders can invoke “good public charters”. It’s why (as far as I can tell), I haven’t heard AOC or the squad call for abolishing all charters. Happy to be shown I am wrong about that.
It’s the reason why the privatizers kept pushing the “failing public school” narrative. They aren’t talking about suburban schools. But they get far more support from people who live in those suburban towns if they believe charters are good for urban areas to help “students who want to learn”.
But whatever. I don’t really care anymore if someone wants to keep amplifying how the “students who want to learn” will get a benefit as a result of this takeover of Houston schools. To me, there is a difference between playing devil’s advocate and amplifying the very far right narratives that help undermine public education. I think you are wrong that having teachers engage in a dialogue about whether “students who want to learn” should be forced to remain in classrooms with disruptive students is the kind of debate that will help people support public education. Especially when the far right is distracting from this neofacist takeover of Houston public schools by pushing narratives like this one about how the “students who want to learn” will benefit. I think that’s the kind of debate the privatizers are very glad we are having and are more than willing to have with us.
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Mind your tone, please, NYCpsp. My “attitude” is working out for me quite well, thank you very much. I want you to know that I do not bear any grudge or believe in having you sent to detention in the library for the way you here speak to me and the rest of your classmates, and that that is why, under the supervision of our fav teacher, Dr Ravitch, I continue to engage in group discussion with you even though it is almost always a trying experience to do so. Through this challenging work, I am learning and improving. I Want To Learn, just like everyone else.
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LeftCoastTeacher,
I can see that using the word “attitude” was off-putting. I agreed with your goal, but I do think that if teachers don’t care about discrediting those damaging false narratives because “we teachers should not have to convince parents or the public of anything regarding how we teach. It is not my intention to compete with charter schools for parents who think their neighbors’ children are recidivists. It should be our intention not to compete for students with charter schools”, then that could explain how so many people could love their own public school and still not object to “good public charters” which seems to be the view of even progressive politicians in Congress who aren’t talking about abolishing “good public charters”.
I doubt that your reply above models the “tone” you expect me to follow. I want you to know that I don’t believe for a second that you do not bear any grudge, not do I think you are being anything but intentionally snarky and disrespectful when you say that you don’t “believe in having you sent to detention in the library for the way you here speak to me and the rest of your classmates”.
I am sorry I can’t achieve the sincerity and kindness that flerp! exhibits in his/her posts that makes you so fond of them. Not sure why I am here and I will try to keep a distance as I find it “trying” to defend public schools and teachers who prefer I shut up.
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I don’t think Left Coast Teacher asked you to stop commenting.
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Nope, LCT just put me on warning that any replies I make will be met with snark, rudeness, insults and disdain.
I respond to the content of posts, especially if I believe they are disingenuously undermining public schools and teachers. I don’t really have a dog in this fight anymore as my kid ages out of K-12, but I still believed public schools were important and they needed to be protected by the subtle and intentional undermining that the right specializes in. But I got the message loud and clear from LCT and I leave you all to continue to debate whether keeping disruptive students in the classroom benefits or harms all the students who want to learn.
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LCT,
You won. May teachers continue to inform parents that if they support the teachers’ union and public schools, they can count on disruptive students remaining in classes with students who want to learn, and they can count on the Republican takeover to remove disruptive students from the classroom so the students who want to learn can benefit.
I would not want to get in the way of you reinforcing that pro-public school message to parents. Good luck! My sincere apologies for trying to re-frame the debate so the discussion focuses on the right wing anti-democratic takeover of a public school system. I now see the value of amplifying an outcome of that neo-fascist takeover of Houston public schools that many parents might like. You win!
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You were trying to reframe the discussion — from a right wing perspective — to convince the public that teachers (I myself being one) agree with Mike Miles? On purpose? That’s — something, let’s say interesting. Well, I accept your apology for attempting to do that, since you took the time to tell me it was a sincere apology. Thank you, with equal sincerity in return.
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LCT,
“My sincere apologies for trying to re-frame [sic] the debate so the discussion focuses on the right wing anti-democratic takeover of a public school system.”
I give you the benefit of the doubt that you genuinely believed that reframing the debate so the discussion focuses on the right wing anti-democratic takeover of a public school system means the same as “to reframe the discussion — from a right wing perspective — to convince the public that teachers (I myself being one) agree with Mike Miles. I don’t understand how you think the sentence I wrote above (with the shameful spelling error you so kindly corrected and bolded) had anything to do with convincing the public that teachers – including you – agree with Mike Miles. I know you don’t agree and I even wrote two separate comments thanking you and Thomas Alfera for writing such brilliant, moving comments because the first one was deleted and I wanted to make sure I expressed my gratitude to both of you for taking the time to thoughtfully reply.
Despite your wonderful, brilliant, moving replies, they weren’t at all convincing to the thoughtful, considerate, intelligent parent who raised the question. “I appreciate your thoughts, although I know several teachers who don’t agree.” I assume most adults understand that the non-committal reply “I appreciate your thoughts” is the polite way to respond when you don’t agree at all with someone’s thoughts but you don’t want to discuss it anymore.
I support public education and Diane Ravitch posted about an undemocratic takeover of an entire urban school system by right wing Republicans. I believed it was counterproductive when discussions that should highlight and amplify why the Republican Party needs to be defeated get hijacked into folks on this blog debating whether this new regime’s new policy of removing disruptive students from the classroom would benefit the students who want to learn. Despite how convincing yours and Thomas Alfera’s comments were, and the obvious care with which you wrote them, a thoughtful, caring, and intelligent parent you respect so much could only say “I appreciate your thoughts” and point out that they know several teachers who don’t agree. If, despite your excellent replies, a parent you admire so much isn’t convinced, imagine how convinced the typical parent would be.
So I wondered why – of all the terrible things that the right-wing takeover of the Houston public schools will do – the discussion was hijacked into debating the one outcome of the right wing takeover that is going to appeal to the most parents: removing disruptive kids from the classroom so the students who want to learn can benefit.
You and Thomas Alfera wrote very convincing replies but the person to whom you were replying to remained unconvinced. I would love to be wrong about that. I wish the person had posted some agreement with you, or even something as mild as “those are very good points, I can see that this policy enacted because of this undemocratic takeover of the Houston public school system could have very bad outcomes.” But “I appreciate your thoughts” and pointing out several teachers don’t agree with you??
I wondered why – of all the terrible things that the right-wing takeover of the Houston public schools will do – public school supporters want to debate the pros and cons of removing disruptive kids from the classroom. It’s an absolutely important issue to discuss, but not when it distracts from talking about the very real dangers when for the flimsiest of reasons, the right wing Republicans have simply taken over a large city’s public school system.
But I recognize that is only my opinion and it seems you believe you are having the discussions that are necessary at this time, and not having the discussions the right wing wants you to have.
As long as you don’t reply with a misrepresentation of my views, we can be done, and you can carry on debating disruptive students in classrooms whenever the subject of the far right takeover of public schools comes up. I learned my lesson to shut up when you do.
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All good. By the way, I didn’t put ‘reframe’ in bold because it was a spelling correction. I did it because I was surprised you were trying to reframe the entire discussion instead of adding an idea to it. There’s a difference, and it’s an important distinction in my humble opinion.
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My heart breaks for the teachers and students .
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Correction:
“Miles beta-tested his SOPHISTRY named New Education System in Dallas. . . .”
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“Miles is a military man who learned about education at the Broad Academy”
My guess is that everything he knows he learned in the military and the military (regimentation, checkpoints, push-ups/punishment, etc) is a very poor model for schools.
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In fact, questioning anything is the very worst thing you can do in the military but is at the very core of good education.
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Excellent point. The military demands unquestioning obedience, not debate.
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Poet-
As always, your point contributes significantly to understanding.
It’s interesting, in light of your observation about military regimentation and punishment (I’ll add, top down, no debate
structure and uniforms indicating position in the hierarchy) that both DeSantis and Abbott, are members of the Catholic Church, both of whom embraced the GOP.
Members (especially leaders) of the military are not partisan and don’t campaign for politicians. The Catholic Church claims it isn’t and doesn’t. However in the example of school choice, by lobbying for it, candidates like Abbott and DeSantis benefit.
We don’t know how much the network of Leonard Leo/Koch aided in bringing DeSantis and Abbott to power. We are learning the extent of John Eastman’s involvement in Jan. 6.
You, Poet, are esteemed for drawing the military parallel. Resistance is the response to the the Catholic Church parallel.
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Research polling in 2020, showed only 38% of military indicated a preference for the Republican presidential candidate (a significant drop from 2017). Sixty-three percent of White Catholics who attend church regularly voted for Trump in 2020..
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