The Guardian reported today that an investigative team from the United Nations documented numerous war crimes committed by Russian forces in Ukraine. Putin announced that he is calling one million men to active duty, and thousands of men are attempting to flee Russia before they are forced into combat. (It is illegal in Russia to call the invasion of Ukraine a “war.”) Protests have erupted in Russian cities, and more than 1,000 protestors have been arrested. Russia is conducting sham referenda in conquered Ukrainian territories, which will enable them to treat their conquests as Russian soil. Putin has said that any attack on Russia will allow him to use nuclear weapons in defense. This is a dangerous moment, to say the least.
The United Nations has said its investigators have concluded that Russia committed war crimes in Ukraine, including bombings of civilian areas, numerous executions, torture and horrific sexual violence.
The UN has made the investigation of human rights violations in the war a priority and in May its top human rights body mandated a team of experts to begin work in the country.
Since then, UN investigators, have risked their lives to collect evidence of crimes perpetrated against civilians, including in areas still threatened by enemy forces or laid with mines.
The team of three independent experts on Friday presented their first oral update to the UN human rights council, after it launched initial investigations looking at the areas of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy regions, adding that it would broaden its inquiries.
Speaking a day before the seven-month anniversary of Russia’s invasion of its neighbour, Erik Mose, the head of the investigation team, told thecouncil that, based on the evidence gathered by the Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, “it has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine”.
The team of investigators visited 27 towns and settlements, as well as graves and detention and torture centres; interviewed more than 150 victims and witnesses; and met with advocacy groups and government officials.
Mose said the team had been especially “struck by the large number of executions in the areas that we visited”, and the frequent “visible signs of executions on bodies, such as hands tied behind backs, gunshot wounds to the head, and slit throats”.
He added it was investigating such deaths in 16 towns and settlements, and had received credible allegations regarding many more cases that it would seek to document. The investigators had also received “consistent accounts of ill-treatment and torture, which were carried out during unlawful confinement”, the council was told.
In the settlements of Bucha, Hostomel and Borodianka, occupied for about a month by Russian troops, Ukrainian investigators found dozens of mass graves where the bodies of civilians, tortured and murdered, had been buried.
Since the Russians withdrew from the area, a group of young volunteers worked tirelessly to exhume the bodies and send them to forensic doctors who have been collecting evidence of crimes perpetrated by Russian troops.
Some of the victims had told the investigators they were transferred to Russia and held for weeks in prisons. Others had “disappeared” after such transfers. “Interlocutors described beatings, electric shocks and forced nudity, as well as other types of violations in such detention facilities,” Mose said.
Mose said the team had also “processed two incidents of ill-treatment against Russian Federation soldiers by Ukrainian forces”, adding that “while few in numbers, such cases continue to be the subject of our attention”.
He said investigators had also documented cases of sexual and gender-based violence, in some cases establishing that Russian soldiers were the perpetrators.
“There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes,” he said. “In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years.”
The commission had documented a wide range of crimes against children, Mose added, including children who were “raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined”.
In case anyone is interested in a perspective other than the empire-approved one, this is a pretty solid article. Yes, it’s the American Conservative, which I’m not generally in the habit of agreeing with, but a lot of the source material comes from the Guardian, and the author has experience and credibility. There are plenty of similar perspectives from other respected experts out there.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war/
Pretty hilarious, Dienne. Russia is losing this war, big time. It has suffered vast numbers of casualties. Its Black Sea Fleet has been rendered almost completely ineffective. It suffered a major defeat in the West and now is repeating this in the East. And so what does it do when it is losing? Well, it issues a lot of propaganda pieces saying that it is in fact winning at the same time that it mobilizes 300,000 troops to make up for its vast loses, something that it had previously said it was not going to do. LOL.
But ofc that is what Russian propagandists would do. They aren’t going to say, well, we are losing badly, we’re being driven out, we are now an international pariah, we are facing a long winter under horrific sanctions, and forces are at work to remove Putin from power because of the debacle. So, we are calling up 300,000 more of your brothers and fathers, cousins and uncles.
And the Western assets of the Russian intelligence services dutifully comply with bs pieces like these you have posted. For example, with brief histories of the war that totally omit the utter debacle of the attempted sack of Kiev. The utter rout.
cx: its vast losses
Dienne continues to forget or ignore one important and indisputable fact:
Russia invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
Russia invaded Ukraine.
Exactly.
This is from Scott Ritter, who I will remind you was the UN weapons inspector who was right about WMD in Iraq and was not listened to at our peril: https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/22/scott-ritter-reaping-the-whirlwind/
Yes at first sight a good source, but shows you need to be careful. Apart from being wrong with many of his earlier predictions, a convicted sex offender against minors who it seems is likely compomised and beholden to the Russian side, or a heavy chip on shoulder maybe. I do believe in searching for alternative news feeds (Chris Hedges is good value), but care is needed.
He was not so convicted, you liar.
Well he was convicted (spent time in prison) based on BBC, Wikipedia and other sites, at least the second time he was charged. The point here though really is that he seems to post from a very skewed perspective and with a poor record regarding predictions – for what reason I don’t know. Also I was pointing out that we do need to be careful of our “alternative” information sources in todays profusion of misinformation. Name-calling is not very helpful. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13089135 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
Some of the other authors mentioned don’t seem to come out of a search very well either … https://www.avaresearch.com/articles/crooks-liars-idiots/moron-of-the-month-david-stockman
(sorry about the name-calling in the last title)
Another good one: https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2022/09/21/what-in-the-hell-was-washington-thinking/
And final one (for now). I’m sure you’re going to dismiss all of these as “Russian propaganda”, but as winter rolls around and Europe is collapsing with no energy and people are starving and freezing to death (similar but probably lesser effects will happen here too), I want you all to stop and think about whether this has been worth it. Russia is not suffering – the ruble is doing perfectly well, Russians have heat and food, the non-west is uniting against the U.S./NATO as the aggressors. The time of American hegemony is coming to an end, and that’s a good thing.
https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2022/09/21/brainwashed-for-war-with-russia/
Why are so many Russian men fleeing Russia? Hmmm.
Who started the war?
Not the U.S.
Not NATO.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
It is a violation of the UN Charter for one sovereign nation to invade another sovereign nation.
Who broke the UN charter?
Exactly, Diane.
Who says that they are? Ukrainian/western/U.S. media? Have you read the article that says that western “reporters” are all “reporting” from the same hotel in Kiev being fed the same lines by ukraine? Has even one so-called journalist ventured within 100 miles of the actual war?
Anyway, I’m going back on my own word again. When you show me evidence that you’ve read any of the articles I’ve posted, I’ll engage further. Until then I’ll let your refusal speak for itself.
Wow! The whole world has been deceived into believing western propaganda. Even the UN! Even Poland! Even Finland and Sweden, which share common borders with Russia! What a trick!
“The whole world”. LOL. The U.S., Europe and Australia do not constitute “the whole world”. I don’t know if you paid any attention to the Samarkand Summit, but China and India (the two most populous nations), along with other attending nations, stand with Russia. More countries are petitioning to enter BRICS. The U.S./NATO is threatening Africa not to align with Russia – it remains to be seen if they will obey this time. I’m guessing not. As I’ve said, the era of American hegemony is over, America just doesn’t know it yet.
I suspect you would love a world ruled by Putin. Count me out.
Yup. All the reporters, all the NATO allies, the International Red Cross, Doctors without Borders, the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, all the eyewitnesses, all the photographic equipment that has flown over cities like Mariupol (yes, even equipment!)–all have been utterly duped by that nefarious Dr. Evil, Biden, using mind-altering chemicals released into the stratosphere over the whole of the Earth, as part of the secret CIA/BLM program MK Shagaduplicitous Super Duper Ultra. LOL. The only sources of truth are Consortium News, Dmitry Peskov, Sergey Lavrov, and Pat Buchanan’s The American Conservative. And Dienne. And the much misunderstood Donald Trump, who is actually so much better than Biden and not a racist or a criminal or a traitorous POS Putin puppet at all.
PUTIN: This is a special military operation. We are being greeted as liberators. Everything is going exactly according to our plan from the beginning. We need to call up 300,000 more troops in the largest military mobilization since World War II. Because everything is going according to plan. Couldn’t be peachier. We need a few hundred thousand more people there for a party to celebrate how well things are going.
Ugh, I’m sorry, I lied. This is a good one too – why U.S. reporters (and, hence, Americans) know nothing about what’s actually happening on the battlefield: https://original.antiwar.com/Jim_Fitzgerald/2022/09/19/reporting-live-from-kyiv/
‘sorry I lied”
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! OMG. That’s a good one!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Oh, Lord. It hurts. HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
And I promise I really am done this time, but I’ve been meaning to post this one for a while now. Turns out, we really did make promises to Russia. And we’ve broken them. https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2022/08/22/what-did-the-west-promise-russia-on-nato-expansion/
BTW, I probably won’t respond to any comments unless you make it clear you’ve read the articles and you raise valid points in response. I have led you to water – it’s up to you to drink. Have lovely weekends, all.
Poor, poor Putin. He invaded Ukraine and expected the leadership to collapse and flee. Then he would own all of Ukraine. Which country would be next? Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia? Poland? He thought he could revive the USSR. Instead, he has strengthened NATO, scaring Sweden and Finland to abandon their neutrality and apply to join NATO. He turned Russia into a pariah nation. And he lied to his own people, making it a crime to call his war a war. Poor Putin. So what if his forces bombed homes, schools, houses, and fleeing civilians? No one understands his love for Ukraine. Certainly not the UN team that condemned his war crimes. Nor I.
Where are my other three posts? Have you read any of the articles? I’m seeing no evidence. You’re just parroting mainstream media propaganda.
Putin doesn’t allow the war to be called a war? What rot! He himself calls it a war. He’s been very explicit that the war is against NATO and western forces, not ukraine. Contrary to what you’ve been told, he has been careful to minimize civilian casualties in ukraine and the peoples of eastern ukraine are overjoyed to be liberated. When the referenda are held in the coming days/weeks, the people will vote overwhelmingly to join Russia, as they have been begging to for years now. There’s a reason the refugees are overwhelmingly fleeing east not west. If you’re looking for the perpetrators of the war crimes, the people of eastern ukraine are happy to point you in the right direction.
Anyway, I didn’t lie this time, this article was just published: https://original.antiwar.com/Gilbert_Doctorow/2022/09/22/from-special-military-operation-to-open-war/
I give you source after source after source from all kinds of different publications with different perspectives and you willfully ignore them all. The ukraine war is “Don’t Look Up” for liberals.
Putin passed a law making it a criminal offense to call the war in Ukraine a war. It’s not a war. It’s a “special military operation.” Calling it a war brings a punishment of up to 15 years in prison.
Putin also closed down all independent media.
No one living in the U.S. can talk about “closing down independent media”. There has been a vicious campaign to deplatform and defund all independent media in this country. It should alarm you that every network/news outlet is parroting the same story from the same perspective with the same sources (usually unnamed).
The “special military operation” is over. That’s the point of several of the articles I’ve posted. Putin is making it clear that further aggression against the liberated territories of the Donbas (which will soon be Russian territory) will be considered an act of war against Russia itself and they will respond accordingly. NATO continuing this war leads, at best to mass suffering, freezing and starving across Europe this winter. Or, at worst, nuclear war. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner. Especially a well-armed someone.
More sham referenda conducted by the aggressor.
Please list the independent media that haven shut down by the U.S. government.
Not The Intercept.
Not Jacobin.
Not the World Socialist Daily.
Not The Progressive.
Not the Nation.
Not dozens of other progressive publications that write whatever they want.
Your admiration for Putin baffles me.
Putin made clear in his essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” what his imperialist ambitions were–that Ukraine was to be the first nations subsumed by the Greater Russia that he envisioned. The little madman believed his own bs, even as his military people followed the model Putin had set and had used all those billions and billions of rubles that were supposed to go into modernization of Russian forces to buy mistresses and dachas and yachts.
And condos from Trump, ofc
If it were the case that such promises were made, it makes ZERO difference. The FREE PEOPLES of Europe decided that they wanted to be NATO members to protect themselves from precisely the sort of imperialistic aggression that Putin is carrying out right now in Ukraine. Stop making excuses for the butcher and rapist of Ukraine, Dienne. Just stop it.
All of the people who lived in Soviet satellite nations voted to leave the USSR. Gorbachev hoped that Russia would become a normal nation and be integrated into the global economy. Angela Merkel agreed to build oil and gas pipelines to Russia on the assumption that Russia would become a normal nation. Western companies opened businesses in Russia with the same expectation. No western diplomat imagined that Putin would see himself as Putin the Great, with ambitions to reassemble the Empire. Years ago, he declared that the dissolution of the USSR was the “greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century.” He seized Crimea in 2014, and the West did nothing. He thought he could seize all of Ukraine and the West would acquiesce. He didn’t count on Ukrainian resistance or NATO Unity. He remembered that Trump promised to pull the US out of NATO. That, fortunately, didn’t happen. Putin made disastrous miscalculations. Soon, he will have troops on the ground with no desire to fight and a strong desire to live. The new recruits do not want to die for Putin’s ambitions.
He didn’t “seize” Crimea. The people voted overwhelmingly (>90%) to join Russia after the right-wing coup.
Years ago, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the U.S. relaxed its regs about exporting PCs and software to Russia. At the time, a Russian expert who did business over there approached me because I ran a fairly good-sized electronic publishing operation (a development house that created textbooks). The Russians were still doing publishing with early 20th-century technology. WAY behind the times. This Russian expert wanted me to join with her to bring desktop publishing to Russia. I was excited about the prospect of creating a new capitalist enterprise in the new Russia. But then I started looking more closely into this. The whole country was run by freaking mobsters. If you wanted paper or ink, you had to pay mobsters. If you wanted to sell publications (on street corners), you had to pay mobsters, or they would send people around to break the sellers’ legs. I told her, no way. No way I am going to be a part of this. I don’t make deals with demons.
This didn’t amount to much. i was approached. I thought about it. I said, No.
Yeah, and Putin holds “free” elections of Putin. LOL. Here’s what actually happened in 2014 in Crimea:
On 27 February 2014, following the takeover of its building by Russian special forces, the Supreme Council of Crimea voted to hold a referendum on 25 May, with the initial question as to whether Crimea should upgrade its autonomy within Ukraine. The referendum date was later moved from 25 May to 30 March. A Ukrainian court declared the referendum to be illegal.
On 6 March, the Supreme Council moved the referendum date to 16 March and changed its scope to ask a new question: whether Crimea should apply to join Russia as a federal subject or restore the 1992 Crimean constitution within Ukraine, which the Ukrainian government had previously invalidated. This referendum, unlike one announced earlier, contained no option to maintain the status quo of governance under the 1998 constitution. Ukraine’s acting President, Oleksandr Turchynov, stated that “The authorities in Crimea are totally illegitimate, both the parliament and the government. They are forced to work under the barrel of a gun and all their decisions are dictated by fear and are illegal”.
On 14 March, the Crimean status referendum was deemed unconstitutional by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a day later, the Verkhovna Rada formally dissolved the Crimean parliament. With a referendum looming, Russia massed troops near the Ukrainian eastern border, likely to threaten escalation and stymie Ukraine’s response.
The referendum was held despite the opposition from the Ukrainian government. Official results reported about 95.5% of participating voters in Crimea (turnout was 83%) were in favour of seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia. The results of referendum were questioned; another report by Evgeny Bobrov, a member of the Russian President’s Human Rights Council, suggested the official results were inflated and only 15% to 30% of Crimeans eligible to vote actually voted for the Russian option.
The means by which the referendum was conducted were widely criticised by foreign governments and in the Ukrainian and international press, with reports that anyone holding a Russian passport regardless of residency in Crimea was allowed to vote. OSCE refused to send observers to the referendum, stating that invitation should have come from an OSCE member state in question (i.e. Ukraine), rather than local authorities. Russia invited a group of observers from various European far-right political parties aligned with Putin, who stated the referendum was conducted in a free and fair manner
So, yeah. There was a “vote.” They used to hold “votes” in rural Alabama in the 1940s, too, in towns with ten whites, all of whom voted, and 100 blacks, none of whom did.
Dienne: “Turns out, we really did make promises. . . .”
As if Dienne hadn’t from Day 1, the moment the Russian propaganda machine started spouting this, been echoing it. LMAO.
Yeah, drink deep of that propaganda, Dienne.
I so look forward to the international tribunal to try the Russian war criminals for what they are doing in Ukraine, and to the day that Russia rids itself of the Chekist serpent.
Turns out, Putin had no intention of invading Ukraine. Biden and his henchmen were just making that up.
HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Keep ’em coming, Dienne.
from the Doctorow article:
let us also remember Vladimir Putin’s law degree. As President, he has systematically stayed within domestic and international law
HAAAAAAAAA!!!!! OMG. Now that is hilarious.
Trump can unclassify documents by thinking them unclassified. Putin can render people suicides by thinking them suicidal. Yup. Legal. Perfectly legal.
OMG. This stuff you post, Dienne, just kills me. I really shouldn’t read it, though I always do, because it’s just so batshit crazy, but it’s kind of like passing a car wreck. it’s difficult to resist the urge to slow down and look at the wreckage of illogical and fabrication and falsification and omission and propaganda that makes up these pieces produced by Western assets of the Russian intelligence services.
cx: of illogic and fabrication. . . .
And two days ago, Putin threatened the West with nuclear Armageddon, and Russian media, which are state controlled, enthusiastically backed him. Meanwhile, Putin is conducting purges among top cronies, for doubtless many want the madman who brought this disaster on Russia and Ukraine, out.
All of a sudden, large numbers of former Putin cronies are falling out of windows or down stairwells or otherwise meeting “accidental” deaths. But at this point Putin is playing whack-a-mole. Eventually, his own will eliminate him.
Putin promised not to invade Ukraine until the day the troops crossed the border.
The invasion of Ukraine was a violation of international law, technically, what is known as a Crime of Aggression.
Then, from the beginning, Russia has committed numerous Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes in Ukraine.
The U.N. should immediately send in an overwhelming multinational peacekeeping force and bring an end to this.
As I said in the very beginning, there is no way that Russia can win this war. It will not even achieve the limited objectives of annexing a land route to Crimea and other parts of eastern Ukraine.
And when this is all said and done, there will needs be an international war crimes tribunal like the Nuremberg Trials to bring the barbarous Russian criminals–rapists and murderers of children and grandmothers, kidnappers, slaughterers of hapless civilians–to justice.
It’s now a long, long, long list of atrocities, including mass kidnappings and deportations (a violation of the Rome Statute), use of cluster and thermobaric munitions, targeting of civilian noncombatants, campaigns of rape and pillage. And there are still people here in our own country who support this!!!!! There are no words sufficient to express the degree of contempt I hold for such people.
The vaunted Russian war machine has been revealed to be a kleptocratic Keystone cops, and into that mess of lack of insane lines of authority, nonworking communications, insufficient supply lines, nonworking equipment and munitions, and incompetent leadership, military genius Tsar Vladimir the Deranged intends to send 300,000 more hapless Russian troops to be slaughtered. INSANE. It’s time for Russian patriots to END THE MADNESS.
CX: into that mess of insane lines of authority, nonworking communications, insufficient. . . .
U.S. estimates put Russian casualties, killed and wounded, at 80 thousand so far.
When the Russians retreated, they left armaments behind, a rusty pile of unstable munitions from the days of the Soviet Union. An elderly Ukrainian munition expert has trained a group of young women who either defuse or explode the bombs. Russia is a paper tiger except for its chilling nuclear threats.
They supposedly rebuilt the Russian military vehicle fleet, equipping vehicles with new tires. Well, the Russian generals ordered used, retread tires from China and charged the government for high-quality new tires and pocketed the difference. And then they didn’t exercise the vehicles. So, everywhere, during the invasion, their were Russian military vehicles stranded with tires that had simply blown up. Similarly, the U.S. estimates that as high as 60 percent of the missiles fired by Russian mobile artillery were duds. The shells of these unexploded missiles are lying around everywhere, partially buried in the sand or mud.
Yikes. there were
For a time, Fascists like Putin can hold it all together via terror. Even daring to hold up an empty piece of paper on the street in Russia is now a criminal offense. Police will show up and beat you and haul you off to prison. The media are all tightly controlled propaganda outlets.
But truth is like water. It finds its way. And like water, it undermines the regime of state terror until, in combination with the hoarded resentments of the people, a breaking point is reached and in days the regime falls. This is what happens to Fascist states like Putin’s. It’s happening in Russia right now. It’s only a matter of time until Putin and his crew of sycophantic devils are done.
And Ukraine will win this war, and Ukrainians will have long, long memories.
And the international community will try the criminals as they did the Nazis.
Dienne, who will believe anything, however ludicrous, written by a Western asset of one or more of the Russian intelligence agencies, parroted, above, a claim that Western journalists do all their reporting from a balcony in Kiev. But here is an actual U.N. report of findings, on the ground, of Russian atrocities and war crimes, including RAPE OF CHILDREN:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/09/update-chair-independent-international-commission-inquiry-ukraine-51st-session
From the Update by the Chair of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine, at the 51st session of the Human Rights Council, 23 September 2022
Sexual and gender-based violence
Investigating cases related to sexual and gender-based violence present specific challenges. The Commission has found that some Russian Federation soldiers committed such crimes. These acts amounted to different types of violations of rights, including sexual violence, torture, and cruel and inhuman treatment. There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes. In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years.
The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined. Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons. The exposure to repeated explosions, crimes, forced displacement and separation from family members deeply affected their well-being and mental health.
Tens of thousands of sane Russian men are now saying, “I am not going to die carrying out Putin’s egomaniacal, murderous campaign against our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.”
Air Canada undoubtedly had to increase the number of flights out of Russia.
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It is nothing short of breathtaking that Dienne’s response to the U.N.’s official finding that war crimes have been and are being committed in Ukraine–extremely egregious crimes like the rape of children–is to trot out a string of articles parroting Russian propaganda. Breathtaking and
Bewildering. Bizarre. Sickening. Infuriating. Revolting.
Hmmm.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-men-join-exodus-fearing-call-up-to-fight-in-ukraine_n_632e6e68e4b01804e08e4884
A war of aggression by one nation state against another is the supreme war crime, according to the UN charter, which makes every act of war by Russia in Ukraine a “war crime” by definition.
But people should pay particular attention to charges by the UN of specific war crimes commissions because if anything, the UN is often reluctant to bring such charges and usually reserved in their conclusions.
Because of the power structure within the UN itself, there have been numerous war crimes committed by many countries in various parts of the world about which the UN was utterly silent.
The day will come when an international tribunal will convict the criminals that the Ukrainian press refers to as Ruscisti–the Fascist Russian state under Putin.
Ruscisti is a Ukrainian portmanteau of Russian + Fascist
Fasputin
lol
“Beam me up” . Having a dialog with 77 is a waste of time and has been for 6 years. “You all” got it covered.
Rationalizing war crimes is never a good look. Dale Carnegie cries.
77 states 90% voted for Russia in Crimea. You could not get 90% to agree on anything. Graphic examples I excluded .
A vote conducted in a region under military occupation, monitored by the occupying force, is a farce.
90 percent of those in attendance, with Russian guns pointed at their heads, voted to join Russia.
PUTIN: What a deal! I bought Trump, and I got the entire Republican Party thrown in for Free!!!
PUTIN: There is no Ukraine. It doesn’t exist. It has always been part of Russia.
HISTORIANS: Uh, no.
UKRAINIANS: Hell, no.
Even the Russian-speaking Crimeans now DETEST Putin and Russia. The Ukrainian people will have long, long memories of the crimes being inflicted upon them by these criminal marauders.
Citation needed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/amid-broken-ties-and-families-crimean-views-toward-russia-start-to-shift/
https://www.iri.org/resources/public-opinion-survey-of-residents-of-ukraine/
Click to access NDI%20Survey%20ENG.pdf
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1101712731/russia-invasion-ukraine-russian-language-culture-identity
Politico interviewed 12 locals. I’m sure it was a highly representative, completely non-biased sample.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2858807/Inside-anti-Putin-mecca-Ukrainian-city-locals-shoot-urinate-throw-rubbish-image-Russian-president.html
“We will not forget. We will not forgive.” –Volodymyr Zelenskyy
His name is properly spelled Elensky. Zs are outlawed in ukraine.
It was, again, Russia that made the Z and V symbols of the destruction of Ukraine, not Zelensyy or his government. And Ukraine is not the only country that has done this temporarily. Can you think of no speech that you would consider improper?
Well, come to think of it, perhaps you can’t.
I declare the word “Putin” to be an insult, a symbol of hatred and violence. The verb “Putin” means to murder, to pillage, to rape, and to inflict terror on innocent civilians.
Well observed, Diane!!! This is what this foul term will always mean going forward.
Sat photos today of long, long lines of traffic fleeing Tsar Putin’s mobilization order. UN report today about Russia’s widespread extrajudicial killing and sexual assault of prisoners of war.
Can you post said photos? My guess is they’re really pictures of eastern ukrainians fleeing eastward to Russia to avoid getting shelled by ukrainian forces.
Either that a traffic jam in Jersey.
How sad, Dienne. Every journalist from every media outlet in Europe has reported that thousands of men have fled Russia. Today, the networks reported that nearly 100,000 have crossed into Georgia, where they don’t need a visa. In your mind, the only “truth” comes from Russian state media and their American sympathizers. Why do you keep posting this nonsense?
https://www.businessinsider.com/satellite-images-show-border-traffic-russians-flee-putin-mobilization-ukraine-2022-9
Better check with Consortium “News” or Dmitry Peskov for the special “alternative facts” version of what these are photos of, Dienne. Americans fleeing the tyrannical Biden administration in hopes of establishing a new country of Ivankalandia in the Utah desert? Yeah, that’s probably it.
Russia is closing all its borders in an attempt to stop the mass exodus of forced conscripts that Ms. “Putin will never invade Ukraine; that’s Biden admin propaganda” Dienne says isn’t happening because everyone supports the war that isn’t a war where nothing bad is happening and that Russia is winning except a few billion crazy dupes of the CIA. LOL.
Yeah, I see what you are saying, Dienne. They should have called Sergei Lavrov and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Consortium “News” to get the real alternative facts.
When you go into a country and rape its children and grandmothers and bomb its civilians, people just don’t think very highly of you. Weird, huh? How can one possibly account for this? Duh.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/drone-video-shows-massive-traffic-jam-as-russians-try-to-flee-mobilization-order/vi-AA12fAcF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e35f59ff89fb4a09958bc0592a53bcf6&category=foryou
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/15/ukraine-war-conscription-martial-law-men-gender-human-rights/
How shocking. Ukraine has been invaded, its cities flattened, its children and grandmothers raped, its cultural centers bombed, its livelihoods interrupted, its people dislocated, and this country dares ask its men to defend it.
This is existential for Ukraine. What, exactly, is the big surprise in this? Don’t bother to answer. I don’t want to hear it. I am not interested in hearing from apologists for mass murderers.
PUTIN: This is a special military operation. We are being greeted as liberators. Everything is going exactly according to our plan from the beginning. We need to call up 300,000 more troops in the largest military mobilization since World War II. Because everything is going according to plan. Couldn’t be peachier. We need a few hundred thousand more people there for a party to celebrate how well things are going.
Bob or Diane, Would you mind addressing any of the following?
–Ukraine is reportedly suffering more than 20,000 casualties a month. How do these losses factor into your analysis? You’ve made clear your thoughts on the implications of Russian casualties.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point
–I’m curious to see how the economic woes in Europe fit into your analysis.
Reuters and S&P’s Purchasing Managers’ Index are Russian propaganda, right? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-economic-downturn-deepens-sept-outlook-grim-flash-pmi-2022-09-23/
der Spiegel too?
https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/growing-energy-crisis-a-grave-threat-to-industry-in-germany-a-9152547c-a31d-483e-a70c-242c280cab23
Bloomberg?
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-23/europe-s-wartime-economy-energy-crisis-will-last-beyond-the-winter
Fortune?
https://fortune.com/2022/09/21/longer-deeper-recession-europe-deutsche-bank-energy-crisis/
NYT?
–Diane pointed out that Russian soldiers are deserting. Any comment on Ukrainian desertions?
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-troops-deserting-battle-russian-180758976.html
–Are you aware of the considerable debate taking place now between economic experts on the true effectiveness of sanctions on Russia?
–I’m sure both the Russians and Ukrainians have committed war crimes. What are your thoughts on this report?https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
–Why should one take at face value reports from the Western press that are sourced entirely from the Ukrainian government? Don’t all governments lie? Why don’t these journalists apply to be part of Ukraine’s PR team instead?
–What do you make of the careful, fact-based points Chomsky makes in this interview?
https://gulfnews.com/opinion/op-eds/gulf-news-exclusive–rationality-is-not-permitted-chomsky-on-russia-ukraine-and-more-1.88704279
Yes, there are terrible costs, to Ukraine, to Russia, to Africa, to Europe, to the U.S., resulting from PUTIN’S WAR OF CHOICE. Putin, and Putin alone, bears responsibility for these. What’s your point, Pat?
One hopes that those costs will be enough to spur sufficient military support to Ukraine, including heavy artillery and jets, to prevent a long war of attrition. That means dramatic escalation of war materials to Ukraine.
I’m glad that Professor Chomsky sees that “the attack on Ukraine has no justification.” With regard to the rest of that article, those countries FREELY CHOSE to be part of the DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE that is NATO. Why? Well, Russia has a history of being an aggressor state and invading its neighbors. Duh.
This could all end tomorrow. Instead of calling up 300,000 to a million more hapless recruits to be marauders and cannon fodder, instead of holding sham elections in eastern oblasts/oblasti, Russia could pull TF out.
In other words, Russia could end its rape of Ukraine and the horrors to which it is subjecting the rest of the world as well (to which you have pointed, Pat).
With his mobilization, Putin has shown that he hopes to pull victory from defeat by throwing a lot of untrained bodies at this and counting on a long war of attrition that eventually breaks the will of the Ukrainians. In other words, it simply doesn’t matter to the bloody little Chekist how many Russians and Ukrainians die. Is this senile dementia compounding his lifelong psychopathy?
But make no mistake about this: the mobilization is personal psychopathy become public policy.
Diane, I posted a comment here earlier today that went into moderation, and I don’t see it yet. Did I do something wrong? I’m pretty sure I didn’t violate the TOS.
WordPress puts stuff into moderation for the weirdest reasons. The Trinity is no mystery at all compared to the algorithm that governs this. So, it is almost certainly not you.
As a rule, I don’t post comments defending the invasion of Ukraine. I wrote a post explaining this policy soon after Putin invaded Ukraine. I also don’t post comments from people saying Sandy Hook didn’t happen, the Holocaust didn’t happen, abd slavery was a good thing.
That is quite sad, but your choice! But since my post didn’t defend the invasion, when should I expect it to go live? I’m interested in constructive dialogue.
I decided to post your comment. Ass I understand it, you argue that we and others nations should not side with Ukraine.
I remind you that the UN Charter says that one sovereign nation should not invade another. Putin’s invasion was and is a war crime. One man decided to seize a neighboring country that he wanted to own.
Putin is a war criminal. Period.
Diane, before I waste any more of my time, can you please point me to the part of my post where I come anywhere close to arguing that we and others nations should not side with Ukraine?
Ease up on the projection.
Well, glad no one here believes Russian propaganda. Now, about that western propaganda (I know Consortium News is “Russian propaganda”, but the article is about a study from Stanford – is Stanford Russian propaganda too?):
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/23/exposed-covert-pro-western-info-op/
Dienne,
I’m allowing this pro-Putin trash to go through because it’s so ridiculous.
You want us to feel sympathy for Russia, China, and Iran? Is this a joke?
Let me repeat:
Putin invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
Putin invaded Ukraine.
If you discover evidence that Putin not invade Ukraine, please let me know.
All you post are justifications for Putin’s brutal invasion.
Hey, Dienne, I just discovered two fake Facebook accounts, each with 20 friends!!!! Better inform Consortium News!!!! It’s a major story!!!!!
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I gotta lot more of those exclamation points!!!! Would your breathless friends at CN like to purchase some?
LOL
BTW, some recent analyses have found between 5 and 30 percent of Twitter accounts to be fake. And lots of people have multiple accounts on Social Media that they use for various purposes. A report that finds 126 Twitter accounts with less than 1,000 followers each is hardly news.
Oh, and Dienne, if your friends at CN would like, I can also Photoshop some nifty graphics of clusters of purple and pink dots against black backgrounds at no additional charge on top of my charge!!!! for!!!!! exclamation!!!! points!!!!!!
Look, Dienne, you can’t imagine away the atrocities in Ukraine. The whole world is watching them. No one is fooled. Everyone knows who invaded whom. Everyone who is at all interested as read Putin’s ahistorical imperialist screed claiming that Ukraine doesn’t exist and proclaiming his program to create a Greater Russia. Everyone has seen the pictures of the consequences, the bombed-out cities, the cultural landmarks destroyed. You can’t both sides this, Dienne. Putin, Lavrov, Peskov–these fools open their mouths, lies spew out, and the entire world groans in disbelief.
Except you and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Maybe you should go back to the whataboutism. Yes, what Russia is doing, but, but, Britain hasn’t returned that diamond! A squirrel is eating the birdseed in a backyard in New Jersey! CRT is digging up the flowerbeds!
And WHUTABOUT WHUT CALVIN COOLIDGE DID!?!? Huhh? Whutabout that?!?!?!?!!!
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The most hilarious thing I have seen on the Internet in a LONG time is the piece from The American Conservative posted by Dienne at the beginning, above. Putin has just been forced into doing a mass mobilization by his severe losses in Ukraine, and these morons at this magazine founded by Pat Buchanan write a piece about how Russia is winning the war that is not a war. It doesn’t get more ridiculous than this. Well, maybe injecting disinfectant and Jewish space lasers are equally ridiculous. But Dienne reads this utter absurdity, contradicted so hugely by this week’s events, and thinks it some sort of definitive argument.
We are achieving precisely the objectives we set out. We are winning. That’s why we are calling up 300,000 to 1,000,000 more troops. For the after party. LMAO.
Uh, I don’t think so.
Let me be as clear about this as I can be: NO ONE is winning in Ukraine. Because of what Putin did, everyone is losing. Eventually, Russia will be forced to withdraw, as in Afghanistan. The new mobilization means that it will withdraw with a lot few Russian lads still breathing and still whole in body. It’s ghastly. And Putin could end this horror at any moment by announcing a withdrawal and an end of his war of choice.