Nearly two dozen states have moved to restrict abortion or ban it altogether since the reversal of Roe v. Wade — meaning more people, especially those with low incomes and from marginalized communities, will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term.
So are states prepared to pay for the infrastructure needed to support these parents and children? The data paints a grim picture for many families: Mothers and children in states with the toughest abortion restrictions tend to have less access to health care and financial assistance, as well as worse health outcomes.
Stuart Butler, a senior fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution, calls the end of Roe “a double whammy” for people who live in these states, which are mostly in the South.
“They are far less likely to have assistance for themselves and their children, and they are far less likely to have health care available to them when they are pregnant and for their children,” he tells Morning Edition. “And that means that there’s going to be not only more hardship, but greater health problems and maternal deaths and so on … unless there is a fundamental change in political behavior in those states.”
As NPR has reported, a large body of research shows that being denied an abortion limits peoples’ education, time in the workforce and wages, with the economic consequences extending well into the lives of their children. One groundbreaking project called The Turnaway Study spent a decade comparing the experiences of people who had abortions with those who wanted abortions but were denied them, and found that those who were denied treatment experienced worse economic and mental health outcomes than those who received care.
Dr. Diana Greene Foster, the demographer behind the study, told NPR in May that the findings show that pregnant people who are unable to get a safe, legal abortion and end up carrying the pregnancy to term will experience long-term physical and economic harm.
“We haven’t become a more generous country that supports low-income mothers,” she added. “And so those outcomes are still the outcomes that people will experience when they are denied a wanted abortion.”
Shocked simply shocked.
No you’re not. Stop that! 🤓
You are correct again. There is nothing that shocks me about right wing politicians. Instead of funding Planed Parenthood we should be offering rewards to the . Cumada’s and Daughters of Republican legislators. To testify about those legislators who sent them for an abortion.
On second thought stick with Planned Parenthood . 63% of Alabama White Women were lining their underage daughters up for a date with Roy Moore . Once you get over the holly rollers voting for pedophiles there is nothing left to be shocked about. Certainly not policy aimed at hurting those they expect will be mostly minorities . .
[The Times] Indiana needs significant public health reforms, governor’s commission finds
Aug 14, 2022 Updated Aug 18, 2022
The first deep dive in decades investigating the status of Indiana’s public health systems has identified nearly three dozen areas in need of improvement.
The recently released final report of the Governor’s Public Health Commission finds Hoosier health was woefully lacking even before the COVID-19 pandemic exposed significant gaps in the capability of the state and local health departments to respond in a crisis.
For example, the commission notes life expectancy in Indiana declined to 77 years in 2019 from a high of 77.5 years in 2010 — nearly two years less than the national average of 78.8 years, and lower than 39 of the 50 states.
The Hoosier State also is among the worst in the country for mental health, infant mortality, early adult mortality, obesity, smoking rate and suicide, according to the commission…
https://www.nwitimes.com/business/healthcare/indiana-needs-significant-public-health-reforms-governors-commission-finds/article_411a8b4c-3eb9-5040-81e3-fef73cbb11a1.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share
Republicans in Indiana have no problem with being among the worst in the country for mental health, early adult mortality, obesity or smoking rate or suicide. BUT they are first in the nation passing laws to keep women from getting abortions.
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Indiana passes near-total abortion ban, the first state to do so post-Roe
August 6, 2022
Indiana became the first state in the country after the fall of Roe v. Wade to pass sweeping limits on abortion access, after Gov. Eric Holcomb (R) signed into law Friday a bill that constitutes a near-total ban 0n the procedure.
The Republican-dominated state Senate approved the legislation 28-19 Friday in a vote that came just hours after it passed Indiana’s lower chamber. The bill, which will go into effect Sept. 15, only allows abortion in cases of rape, incest, lethal fetal abnormality or when the procedure is necessary to prevent severe health risks or death.
Supporters of abortion rights crowded into the corridors of the Indiana Statehouse throughout the day as lawmakers cast their votes, some holding signs that read “You can only ban safe abortions” and “Abortion is health care.”
In a statement released shortly after signing the bill, Holcomb said he had “stated clearly” following the fall of Roe that he would be willing to support antiabortion legislation. He also highlighted the “carefully negotiated” exceptions in the law, which he said address “some of the unthinkable circumstances a woman or unborn child might face.”…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/05/indiana-abortion-ban-roe-holscomb/
The oligarchs and their political sock puppets will do anything NOT to upset the power structure in this country.
Women and children, some whom are white Christian Evangelicals, will be condemned to a lifetime of poverty and misery.
A huge, immiserated underclass is a feature, not a bug in the forced birthers’ playbook.
Republican Jesus gives his full approval.
All those fine Christians will sleep well in the comfort of knowing that they are “morally superior.”
Eleanor-
I’d like to read an expansion of your point.
Is it your assumption that Catholics aren’t poor, therefore their lives won’t be “filled with misery”?
“Some of whom are….”, did you consider conservative Catholics? Sixty-three percent of White Catholics who attend church regularly voted for Trump.
The success of the Federalist Society (political sock puppets?) in overturning Roe and state court decisions against abortion was the work of Catholic, Leonard Leo. The anti-abortion, GOP Senate candidate in Ohio, JD Vance, converted to Catholicism in 2019. The Governor of Ohio has 8 children and is Catholic. Ohio was in the news recently in a case of a 13 -year- old rape victim seeking an abortion in Indiana because Ohio has a heartbeat bill.
Media reported that Catholic Vote is going to spend $3,000,000 to defeat liberal Catholic candidates.
The selectivity at this blog in covering for the religious sect most responsible for anti abortion legislation and court rulings is ….
Btw- If your conclusion was that the South is evangelical, note that Louisiana is largely Catholic.
The rape victim in Ohio was 10-years-old. She had to go to Indiana to get an abortion. The doctor who performed the abortion was subject to harrassnent and threats. I believe Indiana toughened its abortion law, and now she would have to go to Illinois.
Yes.
The abortion doctor, wh actually followed a Indiana law has filed a tort claim against the Indiana AG for defamation.
Indiana AG “Mr. Rokita’s false and misleading statements about alleged misconduct by Dr. Bernard in her profession constitute defamation,” the claim reads. “The statements have been and continue to be published by or on behalf of Mr. Rokita and the Office of the Attorney General.”
GOOD! I can’t stand Attorney General Rokita [R-IN].
Attorney General Todd Rokita responds to activist abortion doctor’s defamation claim
Attorney General Todd Rokita issued the following statement: “The baseless defamation claim and other accusations are really just attempts to distract, intimidate and obstruct my office’s monumental progress to save lives. It will take a lot more than that to intimidate us. The doctor alone brought this case to the press. She used a 10-year-old girl – a child rape victim’s personal trauma – to push her political ideology. She was aided and abetted by a fake news media who conveniently misquoted my words to try to give abortionists and their readership numbers an extra boost. My heart breaks for this little girl. As the Attorney General, I’m dutybound to investigate issues brought to my attention over which I have authority, especially when they involve children. And as I said originally, we will see this duty through to verify all of the relevant reporting and privacy laws were followed by all relevant parties.”
Attorney General Todd Rokita achieves second victory since Dobbs decision
The Seventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals vacated judgments invalidating several Indiana laws protecting unborn children and the health of their mothers — handing the Office of the Attorney General and all Hoosiers yet another victory in the fight for life. The lawsuit filed in the Whole Woman’s Health case amounted to a full-scale assault on Indiana’s slate of abortion laws. Although Attorney General Todd Rokita’s team already prevailed in defending most of those laws, a handful of injunctions remained. Among other things, laws affected by this ruling include minimum facilities requirements for surgical and chemical abortion clinics as well as requirements that medical personnel advise women that human physical life begins at fertilization and that “objective scientific information shows that a fetus can feel pain at or before 20 weeks of postfertilization age.” The appeals court’s decision is linked here.
Attorney General Todd Rokita defends liberty in education with third installment of Parents’ Bill of Rights
Attorney General Todd Rokita released the third volume of the Parents’ Bill of Rights last month — this time focusing on school choice, the liberty of parents to choose where their children attend school. The Parents’ Bill of Rights continues to highlight for parents and taxpayers the areas in which they may find gaps and omissions in state law. Future legislative priorities could include measures 1) requiring schools to make curriculum available for parents to view and 2) prohibiting curriculum that teaches the concept that people should be treated differently solely because of their race, religion, sex, or other characteristics.
Attorney General Todd Rokita wins legal victory in battle against Biden’s transgender extremism
Attorney General Todd Rokita notched a victory for common sense and the rule of law when a U.S. district court barred the Biden administration from enforcing federal “guidance” to coerce schools and employers to kowtow to transgender extremism. As part of a 20-state coalition, Attorney General Rokita sued the Biden administration in August 2021. Attorney General Rokita expressed gratitude to his colleague, Tennessee Attorney General Herbert H. Slatery III, for helping organize the coalition. A U.S. district court issued a preliminary injunction this month against the federal guidance and stated the lawsuit against the Biden administration’s actions demonstrates “a substantial likelihood of success on the merits.” Attorney General Rokita is currently defending an Indiana law requiring participants on girls’ sports teams to be biological girls.
Attorney General Todd Rokita fights to keep listing biological sex on Indiana birth certificates rather than gender identity
Attorney General Todd Rokita is defending the practice of listing individuals’ biological sex on birth certificates rather than changing them years after the fact to reflect individuals’ self-perceived gender identities. At issue before the Indiana Supreme Court is whether the judicial branch has the authority to order changes in the designated sex on birth certificates to make them match individuals’ preferences. While the Indiana General Assembly possesses the authority to pass a law permitting such alterations, Attorney General Rokita noted in a brief, the courts do not. The brief pertains to a case in which a mother filed a petition with a court seeking to change a 7-year-old child’s designated sex from male to female. The child has been treated as a girl by family, peers and doctors since around age 2, according to legal documents.
Attorney General Todd Rokita secures third victory in upholding Indiana laws protecting unborn life since Dobbs decision
Last month, Attorney General Todd Rokita secured Indiana’s third court victory in defense of state laws protecting the lives of unborn children and the health of their mothers. This time, a U.S. district court has vacated a judgment against an Indiana law prohibiting abortions sought on the basis of the unborn child’s race, sex, or disability.
Like the Supreme Court Justasses who overturned Roe, Rokita is Catholic.
What a surprise.
As they say, “Is the Pope a pedophile protector?”
Ohio’s AG Yost reportedly has a pattern of wanting 10 year old girls to give birth. Yost suggested on Fox that the recent story about the girl’s trip to Indiana was a hoax. Yost is a horrible person as is Ohio’s treasurer, Sprague.
Since the child lives in Ohio, I expect that AG Yost could arrange to meet her and hear her story, before defaming her.
If she were my child, I would not let either the AG of Ohio or Indiana anywhere near her to say nothing of let them ask her questions.
The radical right is seriously out of touch. They only see their own agenda and interests. They either cannot understand “cause and effect,” or they choose to ignore it. There are consequences to such extremist policies, and it is the poor women that that live in right wing states that will suffer the most from this miscarriage of justice. The new policy for women in these states is barbarism.
The radical right is out of touch but touching everything they can get their Trumpy little fingers on.
Of course, anti-abortion states have the least human care. The new laws are about political opportunism and religious fanaticism not care for babies or their mothers.
Red States are Dystopian states where the working class and anyone that’s poor and can’t work, because of mental and/or physical damage, is considered wage slaves for those in power. Wage slaves have no voice and are always struggling to eat and find shelter.
Many of the states that have passed abortion restrictions are the same states that refused to expand Medicaid. What does this say to poor and abused women and their offspring in those states?
I’m guessing Taylor Dixon’s take on “healing” is different than that of humanity, writ large.
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/08/maga-gop-candidate-says-teenage-rape
Story made public today of woman in Louisiana forced to go to another state because her fetus had part of its skull missing and would die if it lived to birth. The obvious and intentional cruelty innocent individuals will have to endure because of public policies is beyond my ability to describe.
In the group of people who oppose both abortion and aid to low income mothers, most I have discussed this with would go on the side of personal responsibility. They see the decision to engage sexually as a moral decision the individual should make. The consequences of wrong decision should be borne by the individual, not society.
Right or wrong, you would sooner push an elephant through a carport than to move this attitude.
Unfortunately, the personal responsibility language (mainly with respect to poor folks) was promoted by Democrats too by both Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama, giving aid and comfort to conservative ideology.
The fundamental error, or omission, in my opinion, is not creating a strategy that linked personal responsibility with civic engagement/virtue. The whole notion of a woman’s choices are, at core, a matter of personal responsibility. But that full definition is not include in conservative rhetoric or deeds. Personal responsibility as an issue, as a definition, has been highjacked by the [r]ight and there was never any resistance to allow them to co-opt it.
And where is the “personal responsibility” of the male who impregnated the woman? Nowhere to be found in these discussions, eh!
Lately it is very much a part of the conversation. Suggestions are appearing in conservative press for DNA tests to ascertain fatherhood along with wage garnishing to fund some aspect of the child’s health care. While this sells well among the morally superior, it reeks of the southern traditional enslavement of parts of unfortunate society in work gangs and camps.
It also reaches across a barrier of personal space that separates tyranny from freedom.
I wouldn’t say “very much” but is starting to become.
Personal responsibility is a great ideal, but it takes two people to make a pregnancy. All the so-called responsibility is placed on only one of the two participants. Let’s remember also that a number women and girls are victims of incest or rape, and the pregnancy has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Poor women often have very little agency over their own lives.
Can I have an “amen” up in here?
These people are really into personal responsibility until it’s their daughter or their mistress who has the unwanted pregnancy. Then, it’s, maybe little Rhonda should go visit her auntie in New York.
These so-called Christians need to go read John Winthop’s sermon given on board the Arabella, on the way to the New World, on the subject of Christian community and brotherhood/sisterhood, on bearing one another’s burdens. It’s called “A Model of Christian Charity” and was delivered on December 31, 1630:
Christ and his Church make one body; the several parts of this body considered apart before they were united, were as disproportionate and as much disordering as so many contrary qualities or elements, but when Christ comes, and by his spirit and love knits all these parts to himself and each to other, it is become the most perfect and best proportioned body in the world, Eph. 4:16. . . . We must entertain each other in brotherly affection. We must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of other’s necessities. We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality. We must delight in each other; make other’s conditions our own; rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always having before our eyes our commission and community in the work, as members of the same body. So shall we keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. The Lord will be our God, and delight to dwell among us, as his own people, and will command a blessing upon us in all our ways. So that we shall see much more of his wisdom, power, goodness and truth, than formerly we have been acquainted with. We shall find that the God of Israel is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies; when he shall make us a praise and glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations, “the Lord make it likely that of New England.” For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies to speak evil of the ways of God, and all professors for God’s sake. We shall shame the faces of many of God’s worthy servants, and cause their prayers to be turned into curses upon us till wee be consumed out of the good land whither we are a going.
As you can see, that “city on a hill” thing didn’t mean what Ronald Reagan thought it meant–an exceptionalism standing apart, but rather, it meant seen by all so that it must live up to its ideals of caring for one another, AS ONE BODY.
If these people cared about the woman, they would respect her wishes. Her wishes would be theirs. Otherwise, they are merely posers.
The communitarian aspect of early Christianity is often ignored or avoided by those who most vocally support it. That Reagan would either misunderstand or misinterpret this value is so uniquely English. That the descendants of the Second Great Awakening might reach a different conclusion is perhaps less surprising, given the effect of the frontier on the American Zeitgeist of the 19th century.
Yeah, all that rugged individualism stuff. Peggy Noonan is the one who reached back and grabbed that phrase from Winthrop about the “city on a hill,” and OF COURSE, Reagan, who read as little as Trump does and had a full-time astrologer, for crying out loud, had no clue about the original source or about what the phrase, which became his most famous, actually meant, which was TEH EXACT OPPOSITE of the “Reagan philosophy.” So, he was ironically, without knowing he was doing so, self-parodying every time he used it (and he got such acclaim for using it that he repeated it all the time). Here’s a similar thing: Consider blackface minstrel show entertainments of the kind that people like Al Jolson used to do. These were a popular shtick in Vaudeville, where they were thought of as making fun of “Negro antics” or sentimentalizing the antebellum South. Well, here’s the truth about those: Often, in the South, the only rest that the enslaved got was on Sundays, and on Sundays, they would hold “cakewalks.” These were dance competitions in which the prize for winning was a cake (because they had little else to give). And at these cakewalks, blacks would do these really exaggerated movements, strutting about. What they were doing, with their strutting and other exaggerated movements was MAKING FUN OF THE GESTURES, DANCES, AND OTHER BEHAVIORS OF THE UPTIGHT WHITE FOLKS, but whites, seeing these dances, weren’t hip to the fact that these were commentaries on white people and misinterpreted them as “Negro antics.” The cakewalks were a nonverbal form of Signification–of making fun, as in the game called The Nines, preserved in Yo’ Mama jokes. At any rate, the clueless whites were imitating, without understanding that they were doing so, the blacks MAKING FUN OF the formal behaviors of white folks in the big house. For more on this, see Blues People, by Amiri Baraka /LeRoy Jones.
John Winthrop was the biggest loser of all.
The guy wrote about community and all that but in reality he was an intolerant Taliban like figure who drove away members of his own community who didn’t toe his strict religious line , a guy who massacred and enslaved Native Americans and celebrated afterwards.
Intolerant religious extremist nut cases like Winthrop are the the forefathers of the current extremists we have on the Supreme Court and in state governments passing all the intolerant laws around the country.
IMHO the people of England were right to drive people like Winthrop to the drink, as it were.
Winthrop was the biggest poser of all.
I suspect the only reason he wrote that city on the hill sermon was because he knew that if the people on the boat didn’t work together, they would not last six months in the New World. In other words, he was deathly afraid.
But he was basically a cockroach.
From the World Encyclopedia
“His policy toward the Native Americans was marked at first by condescension and then brutality in the Pequot War (1636-1638 CE), which nearly exterminated the Pequot tribe. His proclamation giving thanks and declaring a day of Thanksgiving for the massacre of over 700 Pequots is remembered today by Native Americans who observe a Day of Mourning annually on the holiday of Thanksgiving.
He supported the practice of slavery, owned slaves, and assisted in the sale and transport of Pequots as slaves to other regions. He is primarily referenced in the modern day, however, for A Model of Christian Charity, which later writers and U.S. presidents have referenced in holding the United States up as a “city on a hill” which commands the attention and respect of the rest of the world and has encouraged the concept of American Exceptionalism.”
Hmmm. I’m not going to defend him or any of these Puritans except, perhaps, Roger Williams. They were a brutal lot. Winthrop was a staunch theocrat, but the fact remains that the “American exceptionalism” reading of Winthrop’s famous speech is an utter MISREADING (or nonreading) of it because his theme, in this piece, is CARING FOR ONE ANOTHER and forgoing “superfluities” in order to do that.
I’m with Robin Williams, who said that “America was founded by people so uptight that even the English couldn’t stand them and kicked them out.”
It’s funny to watch these Christians squabble with one another about the niceties of their bodies of superstition. Did Christ typically rest his weight on his left foot when just standing, or on his right? What? Left you say? Prepare to meet your maker, heretic!
Unfortunately, the John Winthrops– bigoted , religious extremist Taliban types — are everywhere we look these days.
Interestingly, Hutchinson’s (and John Cotton’s) position was an even more radical Protestantism than was Winthrop, but here we are talking the difference between two forms of terminal cancer, lol. Hutchinson is made the hero of this story because she was a woman preacher and was punished with banishment, but her religious views were extremist, completely eschewing the notion that any good works that you (or the state) might do mattered–so-called “free grace” theology.
Well, I’ve tried to respond, SomeDAM. I basically agree with you. But my responses–there are a few of them–are in moderation. I guess that I am being immoderate again.
I just think it’s curious that his speech about the importance of community is counter to his intolerance toward everyone who didn’t believe as Winthrop did.
As I indicated above, my guess is that Winthrop was terrified of what lay ahead (particularly since, as a lawyer, he was completely ill prepared for frontier life in the wilderness).
He knew that HE himself would’ve completely dependent upon others who did possess the skills to survive. Do he had to figure out a way to essentially trick them into supporting HIM so he did not perish.
And he did it with his bullshit speech about the Godliness of community.
People like Winthrop were about one thing and one thing only: themselves.
John Withrop was the Trump of his day.
Religious and cult leaders often use sermons to trick and or shame their parishioners into supporting them.
They have been using the same tricks for millenia.
You’d think people would be onto their scam after all those years.
Winthrop would not have lasted more than a few weeks without the support of the “community” and he certainly knew it when he gave that now famous sermon, which, as you point out, has been distorted beyond all recognition.
But I don’t believe it even means what the religious types believe: that it is a call to “Christian Charity”.
More like a call to “Help me, cuz I’ll die if you don’t”
But if course, Winthrop could not put it in such self-serving terms.
LOL.
Seriously?
A lawyer talking about “Christian Charity”?
Ha ha ha ha ha .
These folks at the Massachusetts Bay Colony adopted as their official seal a drawing of a native man with a cartoon-bubble-like banner that read, “Come over and help us.” And yes, then Winthrop and his murderous colleagues carried out the Mystic Massacre and the Pequot War and helped the Indians by obliterating them. Diane does not allow use of the sort of language that I consider appropriate to these people, our “fathers.” They were genocidal extremists who mostly shared Cotton Mather’s view that they were resting the New World from control by Satan and by his minions, the “savages.” Disgusting. Roger Williams and Thomas Merton were glorious examples showing that this wasn’t a GENERAL disease of the time, that these were evil men who could have known and done better.
Extremely frustrating. Everything I write today goes into moderation. It’s like my name is Kavanaugh.
My replies seem to be going automatically into moderation.
In other words, this whole “Hey, that’s your problem because you f’d up” attitude is the precise OPPOSITE of a Christian approach as taught by Christ.
Maybe all that hairspray used by fundamentalist Christians poisons their brains.
Or, alternative title,
States that hate women also hate children
I read the heading to the article and just shrugged, “It figures.”
Probably also have the highest self identification as Christian.
You know cuz Christ don’t give a rat’s pitooti about mothers, the meek, the poor and all of the other socialist losers looking for a goddamned handout.
Correction: “. . . a goddamned GUBMINT handout.”
Actually, they could be looking for a church handout.
And they sure as Hell won’t get it. Not if Jesus Christ has anything to say about it.
It’s so bizarre. Clearly, these people don’t read their own text, or if they do, they don’t understand it.
These people are convinced that they are “God’s chosen” and that everyone else not only will go to Hell, but actually deserves to go to Hell. That’s what the whole Rapture nonsense that some 70 million Americans believe is about.
But until God beams them all up to the great Enterprise in the Sky known as Heaven, they would like nothing better than to make life a living Hell here on Earth for anyone who does not follow their own beliefs. They actually get some sort of perverse pleasure in the whole thing.
And of course, they pick on the individuals who are least able to defend themselves: poor, single mothers.
Thecwhole thing is quite disgusting.
To the believers, the Rapture is something that makes them feel special and gives them a certain perverse satisfaction. It is not only a saving grace but a well deserved vengeance visited on everyone who has “done the believers wrong” in this life.
God will rescue only them and leave everyone else to suffer the Hell that She has in store for the nonbelievers.
Having a rational argument with anyone who believes this malarkey is like having a rational argument with people who believe that alien astronauts built the pyramids.
I suspect, SomeDAM, that if you polled fundamentalist Christians, most would ALSO believe that ancient aliens built the pyramids (and that Donald Trump is a Christian patriot and that arming everyone with military-grade weapons is the way to stop gunviolence).
Bascially, if it’s totally cuckoo, 40 percent of Americans will believe it.
John Kennedy, Jr., is rising from the dead to be the running mate of Donald Trump, who is Mussolini’s grandchild. Pedo pizza parlors. Space lasers. Pyramid-building aliens. Magic, healing magnet wrist bands. Pads to draw toxins out of your feet. Degrees from Trump University so YOU TOO can make your fortune in Real Estate! No collusion! And Obama put chemicals in the drinking water to turn high-school kids transgender, and now the boys are all having their weenies chopped off at the age of 14.
Recovering here from a bad case of CRT. Fortunately, I had some leftover horse tranquilizers to treat it with.
The NEW language, one that is meant to include all. “. . .that pregnant people” is part of that NEW language. Who decided that that is the proper term to call pregnant women?
How many men have ever been pregnant and gave birth to a child?
Can you say “political correctness” run amok?
It is possible for a trans man to get pregnant, and there was a story on the news about one such case. They are trying to be ‘PC’ in our evolving society.
One, eh. I’m sure there is a handful in the world. To bastardize the language for the sake of not offending one in a billion seems rather odd to me. Society indeed does evolve but without commonly understood meanings words become a meaningless nothingness. I guess everyone decides the meaning of all words. Which in reality is what actually happens but most realize that without the commonality of meaning, there is nothing to be said.
Please start reading the articles about what happens to women who miscarry. This is part and parcel of abortion bans. One out of four-to-five pregnancies ends in miscarriage. When you miscarry, sometimes it happens all at once, and all the materials are expelled. But it is not unusual for the fetus to die, no heartbeat, picked up at an ob/gyn visit, yet birth products don’t expel, or do so only slowly [accompanied by continual cramping & bleeding over months]. The normal procedure until recently [& still in abortion-rights states] is a D&C to clear out all fetal/ placental matter. This is not only to avoid months of pain & bleeding, but to ensure against the dying matter becoming septic, endangering mom’s life.
Now, in states with abortion bans in place, doctors are afraid to do D&C’s as that can be read as “abortion,” which places them at risk of losing license/ criminal prosecution. As with endangered pregnancies [such as ectopic], doctors are hesitant to take action until the mother’s life is clearly at risk [which in some cases will be too late].
Women who want to bear their child but unfortunately miscarry must now add to the grief of that loss the eagle eye of prosecutorial government and prove they didn’t “incite” the miscarriage.
This has already become a problem for some hundreds of women annually pre-Dobbs, in states with pro-life laws that ran just shy of Roe/Clancy guidelines. Women have been incarcerated for spontaneous abortions, where prosecutors could show some action on their part during pregnancy, such as drug use, which supposedly caused miscarriage—even where doctors have testified that, e.g., methamphetamine use has no placental route to make that happen. There is even a recent case where a pregnant woman was incarcerated for having allowed herself to be engaged in an altercation that resulted in her being shot in the stomach [which killed the fetus]! We will see lots more of this, now that the forced-birthers have codified their bizarre “fetus over mother” mentality into law.
Thanks for this summary. I would add a non-scientific guess, that miscarriage is more common among those who are living without proper nourishment. These unfortunate people may be suffering from poverty or mental stresses. Piling punishment on the unfortunate sounds perverted.
It is perverted.
And the sickest thing about it is that the people doing it get obvious pleasure from the perversion. It makes them feel righteous and superior and gives them satisfaction that someone else will suffer for their “sins”.
“. . . that miscarriage is more common. . .”
Well, considering that something like one out of two conceptions naturally do not come to term. . . .
Duane
Is that also true of “immaculate” conceptions?
Was there a Christ Fetus #1 that was miscarried by Mary?
Good thing Justasses Alito and Roberts weren’t around at the time or she would have been jailed for sure for abortion.
Come to think of it, God would also probably have been charged with aiding and abetting abortion, since God has control over everything and if Mary had a miscarriage of Fetus Christ, it would have been on God’s watch.
We live in a culture that too often politicians blame the poor for being poor. Not being able to get an abortion means that now poor women will be forced to have a child they cannot afford. Women can’t work and take care of babies at the same time.
Here are some rotten thoughts on poverty:
“You take somebody that has the right mindset, you can take everything from them and put them on the street, and I guarantee in a little while they’ll be right back up there,” Carson said in an interview. “And you take somebody with the wrong mindset, you could give them everything in the world, they’ll work their way right back down to the bottom.”
—-Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson
“We have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities, in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work; and so there’s a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with.”
—-Former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan,
“In the Scripture tells us… ‘for even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: If a man will not work, he shall not eat.’”
——Texas Representative Jodey Arrington
“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’ there is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves,”
——Kansas Republican Roger Marshall
Carol– “We live in a culture that too often politicians blame the poor for being poor.” Dickensian, right? I’d say “turning the clock back,” except that this attitude has been with many in US all along. It’s that “personal responsibility” concept run amok, as discussed here. An ornery misinterpretation of “God helps those who help themselves” [quoted by BFranklin in Poor Richard’s Almanack]. There are a few passages along these general lines in the Gospels, but always tied in with faith, and helping others.
The “right mindset” = those who play Uncle Tom will be richly rewarded (but not invited to join the soical club)
[The Times] JERRY DAVICH: How will Indiana’s woeful child-care system handle a potential 8,000 more babies each year?
7,949.
This figure has been bouncing around my head since Indiana lawmakers voted last month for a near-total abortion ban in our conservative-leaning state.
It’s the number of terminated pregnancies reported to the Indiana Department of Health in 2021, not counting the number of procedures (465) from out-of-state patients. It’s also the highest number of reported abortions in our state in the past decade.
I have one nagging question: how will our state’s woeful child-care infrastructure handle a potential 8,000 more Hoosier babies born each year?…
Another nagging question: how will these new Hoosier babies be protected from dying before they become toddlers or teenagers? Indiana’s infant mortality death rate (6.55) is currently in the top 10 for states, according to most recent federal data.
In 2019, there were 527 infant deaths across the state, with 522 babies dying before their first birthday in 2020, according to the Indiana Health Information Exchange..
https://www.nwitimes.com/news/jerry-davich-how-will-indiana-s-woeful-child-care-system-handle-a-potential-8-000/article_f73d02d0-59eb-53af-a8bb-a149e428238f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share
Each time a member of the public speaks or writes about abortion, each time an influencer or media person speaks or writes about abortion and uses the term Christian exclusively (understood as protestant), omitting Catholic, they empower the work of the Federalist Society’s anti-abortion judges and the conservative power structure of the Catholic Church which includes the almost 50 state Catholic Conferences.
The same is true, each time the school privatization topic is discussed and the role of the conservative Catholic power structure is omitted.
Quite true. The proper term on this issue would be “self-described conservative Christians, which include many mainline Protestant and Catholics.” For charter schools it would be “…conservative Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Jews.” Simple distortions in favor of brevity alway outweigh accurate descriptions that take up virtual ink. A basic rule of today’s journalism.
“Jesus on the landline…if your soul is in danger, call him up and tell him what you are.”
Rhetorically, who is on the line, GOP Jesus who hates gays, wants to control women, and wants entitlement for White, men (mostly the rich ones) or, Jesus 1.0?
Catholics are Christians, so using the term Christian includes Catholics. Ofc, there are fundamentalist Christians who don’t know this–that for 1,500 years, the Catholic Church basically WAS the Christian Church (and made sure of this by torturing and murdering members of rival factions in the name of the Prince of Peace).
By the numbers- NCR reported in 2020 about 4 Catholic Led Groups working to elect Trump and, in a related article, 4 Catholic Led Groups working to elect Biden. The money available to only one of the Biden groups was listed, $1,250,148 (as of 2018). Money was listed for three of the Trump groups, $52 mil. (to elect Trump and Republicans in the Senate), $12,006,326 (as of 2018) and $3,277,947 (as of 2018).
The political arm of the bishops, the state Catholic Conferences, who work to influence on positions like anti-abortion and school privatization do not endorse individual candidates.
Revealing stats!
The claim to “not endorse individual candidates” is a crock.
It’s only purpose is to maintain the Church’s tax exempt status.
The Catholic Church should certainly have it’s tax exempt status revoked.
Their blatant politicking should have disqualified them long ago.
But it will never happen.
Too many powerful Catholics in Congress.
In 2020, NCR identified Catholic Vote, Susan B. Anthony List, Catholics for Trump and American Valor as Catholic-led groups working for Trump’s election. The first two were founded in 2008 and, the 4th in 2014.
The goal of American Valor was to flip Democratic votes, especially Hispanics. The group focused on central states. A former professor at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit Mich. who endorsed American Valor was quoted as saying, “Democrats (will) abandon traditional morality and probably embrace socialism.”
Catholic Vote was identified in the article by its position, “There’s a war against Catholics” (evidence of personnel in the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government refute the claim).
The Susan B Anthony List touted the following accomplishments, 5.3 mil. voter contacts, visits to 4,362,099 voters’ homes, distribution of 3.9 mil pieces of campaign literature, 928,423 live phone calls and a reach to 1.8 mil. voters on line.
Catholics for Trump was led by the daughter of major Trump donor, George O’Neill Jr. He was described as a person who helped connect Marina Butina (Russian spy) to prominent Republicans. The group’s Board included Matt Schlapp, current head of CPAC who recently invited Hungary’s Orban to speak. One of the group’s events, Theology Thursdays, featured Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
American Valor, identified by NCR as a group in 2020 which was working to re-elect Trump, was founded by Joseph Arlinghaus, a graduate of the conservative Catholic, University of Dallas. His work with Dr. Adam Schaeffer of the Cato Institute was credited with “a massive 18% last minute shift of Hispanic voting in the Texas governor’s election”. Arlinghaus was helping Greg Abbott in 2014.
On another topic, Dr. Adam Schaeffer testified in behalf of school choice to the SC Senate. There is an on-line video on YouTube about his position.
Catherine O’Neill, head of Catholics for Trump allegedly served as an intern for Rep. Dana Rohrabacher and allegedly, pushed propaganda vilifying Sergei Magnitsky, the business associate of Browder who died in Russian police custody.
Doctors speak out: Idaho’s ‘cruel’ abortion laws will cause harm to their patients –
Aug. 19, 2022.
Dr. Erin Berry once saw a 21-year-old woman with leukemia in her clinic who had to take a break from chemotherapy because her white blood cell counts dipped too low.
During that pause, she unintentionally got pregnant.
“And she was like, ‘What? My body is so sick. I had sex one time because I think I’m going to die,’” Berry said. “So she said, ‘I need to have an abortion. If I don’t do chemo right now, I will probably be dead before this even comes to term.’ … The next day I did a simple procedural abortion on her, and she got to start her chemo.”
Berry said she was one of two pregnant women that day who needed an abortion because of a cancer diagnosis — the other had Stage 4 thyroid cancer.
Berry is an obstetrician/gynecologist who practices in Washington and Idaho, and she is the state medical director for Planned Parenthood in Washington. Those cancer scenarios are not rare, Berry said, and under Idaho’s abortion ban, which will take effect on Thursday, she could be convicted of a felony or sued by families for performing an abortion in a similar scenario.
Challenges to Idaho’s abortion laws by Planned Parenthood and the U.S. Department of Justice are making their way through the court system, and the core of the laws’ penalties are focused not on those facing pregnancy, but on medical professionals.
For Berry, those penalties would turn situations like treating pregnant women with cancer from difficult to impossible.
“That person has a complicated enough life right now. Laws restricting or banning or limiting or giving waiting limits for when those people can have abortions are cruel,” Berry said. “They ignore medical science and the realities of those people’s lives and do harm.”…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-speak-out-idahos-cruel-abortion-laws-will-cause-harm-to-their-patients/ar-AA10R4J3
Republicans are comfortable with the presented choice- women breed children and/or die.
Indiana is proving to be a disaster. It has one of the highest maternal death rates and 27% of the counties have no or limited access to maternal care.
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Indiana’s new abortion ban may drive some young OB-GYNs to leave a state where they’re needed-Chicago Tribune
Aug 21, 2022
On a Monday morning, a group of obstetrics and gynecology residents, dressed in blue scrubs and white coats, gathered in an auditorium at Indiana University School of Medicine. After the usual updates and announcements, Dr. Nicole Scott, the residency program director, addressed the elephant in the room. “Any more abortion care questions?” she asked the trainees.
After a few moments of silence, one resident asked: “How’s Dr. Bernard doing?”
“Bernard is actually in really good spirits — I mean, relatively,” Scott answered. “She has 24/7 security, has her own lawyer.”…Bernard was the target of false accusations made on national television by pundits and political leaders, including Indiana’s attorney general…
The vitriol directed at Bernard hit home for this group of residents. She has mentored most of them for years. Many of the young doctors were certain they wanted to practice in Indiana after their training. But lately, some have been ambivalent about that prospect.
“Our residents are devastated,” Scott said, holding back tears. “They signed up to provide comprehensive health care to women, and they are being told that they can’t do that.”
She expects this will “deeply impact” how Indiana hospitals recruit and retain medical professionals.
A 2018 report from the March of Dimes found that 27% of Indiana counties are considered maternity care deserts, with no or limited access to maternal care. The state has one of the nation’s highest maternal mortality rates.
Scott said new laws restricting abortion will only worsen those statistics.
Scott shared results from a recent survey of nearly 1,400 residents and fellows across all specialties at the IU School of Medicine, nearly 80% of the trainees said they were less likely to stay and practice in Indiana after the abortion ban…
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/ct-ptb-abortion-obgyns-indiana-st-0821-20220819-hxhdxd2unvekdo5waxwkyg24iu-story.html