Texas Governor Gregg Abbott is in a competition with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis to see who is meanest. He wants to relitigate a 1982 Supreme Court decision that requires the state to provide a free public education to all children, especially the children of undocumented persons.
In the wake of the leaked Roe decision, he assumes the Court might agree with him that children whose parents are not here legally have no right to be educated at public expense.
In a conversation with a conservative talk-show host, Abbott expressed his desire to stop funding the education of these children.
Here’s the exchange in full:
Talk show host:
“We’re talking about public tax dollars, public property tax dollars going to fund these schools to teach children who are 5, 6, 7, 10 years old, who don’t even have remedial English skills,” Pagliarulo said. “This is a real burden on communities. What can you do about that?”
Governor Abbott:
“The challenges put on our public systems is extraordinary,” Abbott said in reply. “Texas already long ago sued the federal government about having to incur the costs of the education program, in a case called Plyler versus Doe. And the Supreme Court ruled against us on the issue about denying, or let’s say Texas having to bear that burden. I think we will resurrect that case and challenge this issue again, because the expenses are extraordinary and the times are different than when Plyler versus Doe was issued many decades ago.”
Governor Abbott would like to have many thousands of children in the state who are illiterate. No doubt he would also like to deny them access to any healthcare or other public services.
Next time you see a picture of this guy, remember this. This is what evil looks like.
Yes, there are significant portions of the country where significant portions of the populace hate brown and black CHILDREN.
But hey, there is no such thing as systemic racism.
A-butt is a Nazi, clearly. What an evil @#&@#(@#(@(%@#(&$&$@!!!!!!
Thank you.
Abbott = EVIL
Anagrammatically: TTabbo is vile. For pity’s sake, when will the Texans stop voting for these regressive, reactionary troglodytes!?!!!!!!
At first glance–first glance–relitigating this case and sealing a victory for Gov. Abbott (and not necessarily the state of Texas) could be the death knell for public education, could it not? Would the ensuing language of a ruling nullify a state’s responsibility to educate all children? Food for thought….
Nowhere in the Constitution is the right to an education mentioned. So, it’s another “unenumerated right” like those (and yes, I mean that plural) attacked by the Alito decision in Dobbs. The Brown v. Topeka Board of Education decision was based, like Roe, on the 14th Amendment, in particular, on its equal protection clause. This, a substantive right to privacy, and unenumerated rights generally are all subject to being overturned on the legal theory that Alito advances in Dobbs.
Extremist conservatives have wanted that for a very long time.
And on the due process clause, of course. Brown concluded that the due process clause, that states cannot “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” implied an unenumerated right to an education. Alito’s attack is revolutionary. It affects unenumerated rights generally and opens the door to utter destruction of the whole body of law based on these. I can well imagine a future fascist U.S. government saying that there is no requirement in the Constitution that the state provide an education, that it’s up to parents to pay for private education as they wish or can.
“I love the uneducated.” –Donald J. Trump
Shep,
Read what you wrote and I wish I was full of more pep and optimism but, instead, I’ll just say this: it’s over. The right won. A fifty-plus year project that has finally paid off. Who’s to say the right to vote for women, blacks, gays, et at, won’t be affected by this as well the other rights you mention/imply. It’s just…..this is no longer my country anymore. Permanent underclasses, here we come!
And what’s more, the Democrats have proven time and again to be worthless, useless, and weak, all of which masks their complicity to begin with.
Compare Democrats to Republicans. Democrats don’t do enough for those ar the bottom vs. Republicans actively take away their rights and healthcare and opportunity
@Diane, the Dems are indeed complicit. There’s a meme going around that says “To be fair, there’s no way anyone could have predicted the side that keeps doing evil things would do something evil and the side that keeps REFUSING to stop them would refuse to stop them.”
Obama campaigned on the promise of enacting the Freedom of Choice Act on his first day in office. He didn’t. Then the Dems lost the midterms and he didn’t have the support. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING?
There are states with one abortion provider/clinic. ONE. This slow dismantling of Roe has been taking places for DECADES. No one could be bothered, not the Dems, not NARAL, not PP.
Stop making excuses for the Democrats. Louisiana has a law in the wings that will prosecute women, something the other states have avoided, likely due to politics and knowing that the country will not stomach women being jailed. Louisiana has a Democrat governor. Nancy Pelosi said anti-abortion politicians must be welcomed in the party “because it’s a big tent.” What did she, or anyone, think would eventually happen?
The Democrats are useless. And diehard supporters who blame all of this on Trump ignore the history. They believe in fairy tales. The party is center-right, and anyone who thinks it can be moved left is delirious. We’re at this junction due to BOTH parties.
What is the value of blaming Democrats for what the Republicans did?
If the Republicans win elections in the next few years, women everywhere in this country will be imprisoned for seeking an abortion. That’s like blaming the Jews in Europe for Hitler building concentration camps and gas chambers.
something the other states have avoided
Nope. Several have such laws on the books or proposed. There’s going to be a whole lotta locking up women (and their allies) going on.
The scheme is to have states make women criminals for having abortions. Then, similar to the black population which is incarcerated at higher rates, there will be more women with criminal records. They will lose their voting rights. It’s the expansion of voter suppression.
Florida overwhelmingly passed a referendum giving felons who had served their time back their voting rights. Then DeSatan, showing yet again how much respect he has for democracy, came up with a way to get around the will of the voters: make getting those rights back contingent on paying the state back for expenses involved in their punishment.
@Diane, are you really comparing blaming Democrats for this mess to blaming Jews for the Holocaust?
The Republicans may have done the evil deeds, but the Democrats did nothing. I think a more apt comparison would be Democrats and the rest of the world during WWII. They knew what was going on, they knew the end result, and still did nothing.
Bill Clinton “ended welfare as we know it.” He also created the means of incarcerating millions of mostly Black and brown people. He signed NAFTA. That’s when the party started moving rightward.
Manchin and Sinema refuse to block the filibuster because of “partisanship.” We all know the GOP could give a rat’s butt about partisanship. We know they could care less about not being hypocrites (Garland v The Handmaiden). We know that once they gain power in the WH and Congress, all bets are off. And they will eventually come back into full power. It’s inevitable. Yet the Democrats, when they hold the majority, do nothing since they’re so focused on the midterms, which they eventually lose. Obama didn’t sign the Freedom of Choice Act. He didn’t address immigration reform. My congressman, Mike Thompson, told a local immigration activist that they didn’t vote on reform because they were looking to the midterms. He admitted it!
Now Schumer will call for a vote on abortion rights. We all know how it’s going to go, but it’s pure theatrics. The Dems can vote yes, but they also know they can’t back it up. They must be so relieved.
We need to stop looking to the Dems to be our saviors, because it’s not working. Yes, Betsy DeVos was worse than Arne Duncan, but it’s still comparing bad to bad. How does less bad equal good? That’s what we’ve done. Our presidential campaigns are now choose between the milkshake that 100% cow manure, or the one that’s only 60% cow manure! I don’t want either. My favorite comedian, Lewis Black, has a joke that’s along the lines of “Dems: We’re the party of shitty ideas! GOP: We’re the party of shittier ideas!” Black also says that anyone who’s still a faithful party voter has a level of delusion that he can’t understand.
I had someone ball me out recently, telling me to get involved in the Democratic party and turn it left, like the Tea Party did with the GOP. Talk about delusional. Didn’t he notice all the scorn Pelosi heaped on the Squad? It seemed she hated them more than she hated Trump.
We keep voting for the same garbage and are shocked and surprised when things don’t change or they get worse. That’s on us. We are doomed.
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Laura-
Trump’s GOP party selected the lying, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Barrett. Thomas, Alito and Roberts are also Republican appointees.
I don’t buy your propaganda that Sotomayer and Kagan are relieved that the majority will overturn Roe so that they don’t have to add their votes.
One option would be for the federal government could write Texas a check to cover the cost.
The surplus value of the labor of undocumented immigrants in Texas far more than covers the cost. Abbott either knows that, or he is ignorant, like Trump.
And in either case, he is a vile racist.
Emboldened by the composition of the Supreme Court, Abbott wants to relitigate Plyler vs. Doe where the Supreme Court decided in that districts had to educate all students within their school district regardless of immigration status. At that time the court ruled that the equal access clause of the 14th amendment applied to undocumented students as well.
As someone that has worked with refugee students for most of my career, I am disgusted by Abbott’s assertion that states should be able to write off some students because of their immigration status. I have seen many students from poor countries make decent lives in this country for themselves and their families, although for the undocumented this became more difficult after 9/11. As a career ESL teacher, I feel it is naive and reckless to embrace nativism and xenophobia. If these undocumented students will be living in this country, it is far better for them to receive an education that will allow them to earn an honest living as the price for forcing them into surviving through illegal activity will cost all of us more than the cost of paying to educate them.https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/access-education-rule-law
Thank you, RT, for your service. It’s time now to take this stuff to the streets.
The undocumented live in the silent, underbelly of the American economy. Those without papers are a significant driver of the economy, although this fact is rarely mentioned. Migrants are a huge part of the hospitality industry. They work in hotels and restaurants. Who do we think are cleaning the rooms and taking care of young children so mothers can work? They are a big part of the labor force in construction. They put roofs on homes, and they build and landscape properties. Immigrants are the backbone of the agriculture, food processing and fishing industries. Who do we think are cleaning Tyson’s chickens? The media constantly talk about our labor shortage. Our immigration system is broken. It would take about twenty years for a Central American to wait in line to be called under the current immigration rules. Our last amnesty was in 1986, strangely under Reagan. Try freezing out the undocumented, and we will face even high labor costs than those we are seeing with increased inflation.
Exactly right. I spend the summer and fall in an agricultural area. Lots of vineyards. Republican Lee Zelsin’s district. The undocumented do the heavy labor. The local economy would collapse without them.
Zeldin. Trumper. Farmers would turn against him if he called ICE to deport their workers.
When Alabama passed its idiotic, anti-immigrant law in 2011, the farmers lost a fortune. The crops rotted on the vine. They even brought in prison labor to fill the gap, but no Americans had the stamina for the job. I remember the law vividly as we were in Montgomery, AL. touring the Civil Rights sites when the news was announced.https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-10-numbers-you-need-to-know-about-alabamas-anti-immigrant-law/
Retired Teacher…..agree 100000%
Since Trump’s SS (ICE) rounded up & deported people, hard working family members, many jobs are now not filled, roofs not repaired for months, landscaping unavailable, cement driveways not installed & on & on. Many immigrants bring exceptional skills, teach each other, have great work habits, raise wonderful children and perform quality work. Our American focus is to kvetch about not having produce in the stores, low on meats, can’t get workers when & where we want them….but, we are rather silent to stand up for our hardest workers & intact families who work so hard without rising up. It hurts me to see it get worse & worse.
I taught migrant students in 1970 in northern Ohio, during tomato and pickle season for Heinz Ketchup Co. – they were forced to live in trailers and rotten housing (disgusting places) provided by farmers, with locked gates at night, treating them worse than animals. Young children also worked and could only come to school on rainy days. The sacrifice and contributions of migrant families, yet treated inhumanely for decades, is unforgivable. Our ECONOMY has depended & we’ve exploited them, but shame them without feeling guilt.
#WeAreNotBetterThanThis
Hanna–Thank you for sharing your experience in working with migrants. Some politicians think immigrants are ‘rapists and murderers.’ That’s propaganda. Most of them are hard working, law abiding poor people that sometimes get exploited by unscrupulous Americans. I’ve got many stories about how the undocumented get hurt or cheated by so-called employers, but few people talk about it.
beautifully said, RT!!!!
RT, Ms. Hurley. Thank you.
“but we are rather silent to stand up for our hardest workers & intact families who work so hard without rising up. It hurts me”
AMEN!!!
Proving Abbott is pro-fetus, not pro-life, or pro-child.
This is exactly what is expected from a Racist Nazi. Next Abbott will take up book burning.
He already did that.
If we look at Abbot, DeSantis, Greene, et al, as a window into a future U.S. ruled by the current Trump MAGA voter-controlled Republican Party, we see what that future would look like.
A DYSTOPIAN kleptocracy writ large!
These Orcs disguised as humans are giving us a preview of what will happen if everyone that cares about even the freedoms the US Constitution protects doesn’t vote to keep “them, these Orcs” out of power.
Always wondered what the O in GOP stood for. The Greying Orc Party.
Except that the only viable voting option we have are Democrats, who have proven to be feckless and downright useless in stopping this dystopian nightmare from happening.
Trump is a horrible excuse for a human being, but the issues didn’t start with him. When we espouse that, we ignore decades of proof.
Obama promised to sign the Freedom of Choice Act on his first day in office. Never happened. We knew in 2008 that Roe was on the skids, which is why he promised that. Of course, it was on the skids long before that, but this is proof positive it’s not a recent issue.
Governor A-butt, you putrefaction on the body politic, just to be clear about this, you disgust me and all other decent people.
It is interesting that Butt Head Abbott does want to educate all children but he is willing to allow take the income tax revenue from all families that live and work in Texas — legal or illegal. He willing to take the revenue from the folks who are the cheap labor that work in the fields growing the crops yet not educated their children. Abbott is willing to take what he and his minions want from people but he is not will to give back a fair share to those who are only looking for a better way of life.
You meant doesn’t want, of course. I hate it when I make those mistakes!
But yeah, he and his ilk are happy to take the surplus value of the labor of the poor and brown, but he wants to make certain that they get as little in return as is possible.
Texas does not have a personal income tax. Illegal immigrants pay very little in sales and property taxes compared to the public benefits they receive. That’s true of all lower-income people – the tax system is designed that way.
If immigrant children are not educated, Texas will pay the price for decades to come.
Immigrants pay rent, and by proxy they pay a certain amount of property tax. While Texas has no income tax, the property taxes in the major cities are fairly high. Rent in the major cities of Texas where most of the jobs are located is also not cheap. The average rent in Houston is about now $1500 a month. Also, some employers take Social Security out for the undocumented even though they cannot collect. Immigrants also pay the 8.25% sales tax in Texas.https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/23/texas-property-taxes/
The undocumented pay into federal income tax. They often use a fake number to get a job and then at tax time, Uncle Sam gives them a tax ID number to use.
Kate’s confused. By definition, slaves don’t pay taxes.
Bill Gates lives in the state with the most regressive tax system in the U.S. The poor in the state of Washington pay a rate up to 7 times the rate that the wealthy pay. That’s what happens in a state with low or no income taxes and reliance on sales tax.
As of May 23 the southern border will be overrun with illegal immigrants, the vast majority of whom speak little to no English and are low-skilled, many of whom are illiterate (reading and writing) in the language they speak. It’s just a fact that those people will be a huge expense for public assistance and education programs: public schools, emergency room care, housing, etc.; the taxes they pay will never come close to equaling the costs of the benefits they receive.
The lazy retort to this fact is to say that opposing such immigration is xenophobic and racist. But before 2008, prominent Democrats used to say the same things about the costs of illegal immigration – Democrats like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and many others. The pro-illegal immigration lobby is made up of seemingly strange bedfellows: mostly Republican employers who want immediate cheap labor and left-wing political activists who want more future Democratic voters. Working class citizens – of all races – are the big loser in this arrangement.
Abbott is taking recapture funds intended to finance low-property wealth districts and placing them in the general accounts of Texas. He then plays shell games with state accounts to fund his border theatrics.
The Supreme Court ruled in Plyler that it was not in the interest of the state of Texas to leave these children illiterate. We have exploited their parents as cheap labor for almost a hundred years.
However, Abbott’s ties with corporate education reformers and Abbott’s choice of a Commissioner who has allowed illegal supplanting of special education and state compensatory ed dollars is the real story.
Billions meant for potential dropouts, illiterate from lack of special education services, supply Texas prisons with the largest inmate population in the U. S.
Take a read on Amazon: What Would LBJ Say?
Well said!
My friends had an illegal immigrant working for them for 15 years. He spent 15 years working for a construction company and learning all the trades. He became an excellent carpenter, plumber, and electrician. He regularly attended church, where he played the guitar. He would have been a wonderful American but there was no path to citizenship. After 15 years, he returned to Guatemala to see his wife and two daughters, who were babies when he left. Our loss.
A nice anecdotal story, but it doesn’t change the reality that the U.S. can’t allow every person to come and stay here who so desires. Resources are limited: water, housing, medical care, education and more. The water level of the Colorado River is critically low and getting lower every year – how many more people can the western states absorb? One analysis concludes that America is already short of physicians, with the deficit likely to be at least 133,000 by 2033; the shortage of nurses is even greater. There is already a housing shortage for the current U.S. population, and environmentalists oppose building more housing almost everywhere – where are millions more immigrants going to live?
Trump lost in 2020 because of his repulsive personality and his refusal to take Covid-19 seriously enough. But if Biden refuses to enforce immigration laws and millions more people enter illegally, then Trump or someone like him will win in 2024 and have Republican majorities in Congress to work his will. Read a few dozen comments to the NYT essay I linked to above: massive immigration is not favored by the overwhelmingly left-wing NYT readership.
Nobody is advocating for “open borders,” a big right wing talking point. We have a love-hate relationship with immigrants, and we need to admit the the current system we have is broken. I also agree that we and the EU cannot absorb all the economic migrants, although industrial nations are partly to blame for some of the climate refugees. The crops in Central America are dwindling due to climate change, a man-made problem. It is a global problem that requires global cooperation to address.
Kelly-
What would the state of Social Security look like without immigration, given the U.S.’ aging white population?
The next time the racist 67+ year olds go to the polls to vote Republican, they should sign a waiver for their S.S. and Medicare benefits. You agree?
Kelly Johnson,
Illegal immigration over the southern border is already in decline. Illegal immigration of people from Europe and Asia who overstay their visas is what has increased.
Are you outraged that Melania Trump was allowed to remain, or do you advise other people from Eastern Europe who are in the US without proper visas to find a rich lecherous old guy to marry?
Kelly Johnson,
Look at the polls and you will find that the vast majority of American voters are against police going into elementary schools and looking for children with the wrong last name, physically dragging them out of school and holding them in an adult prison cell until their parents come to the police station and provide proper documentation that those kids are citizens. Most Americans are outraged at the idea that those children should be held in adult prisons indefinitely if their parents can’t provide documentation.
But there are too many anti-immigrant folks who support this. How many? I would estimate that same number of people support this policy as support an “open borders” policy.
I can spend all day trying to convince Kelly Johnson that dragging children from their elementary schools and locking them up in adult prisons until their parents prove they are citizens is a bad idea and if Republicans support that policy they will lose elections. And Kelly Johnson can spend all day trying to convince me that if Democrats support “open borders” they will lose elections.
But what would be the point? Kelly Johnson knows that Democrat politicians don’t support “open borders” and I know that Republican politicians don’t support dragging children from their elementary schools and locking them up in adult parents as long as it takes for their parents to prove they are citizens.
Or maybe I am wrong and Kelly really believes both of those absurd claims are true. That reveals a lot about what she must think about Republican politicians.
Historically, immigrants from everywhere, funneled through Ellis Island or California, did not speak English, may not have been literate, came on crowded boats crossing the Atlantic, worked for pittance & crowded into tenement houses.
Our Nation has killed off Native peoples, also had millions of slaves & refused to educate them, but whites built disgusting wealth off the backs of ALL OF THEM.
All of a sudden, we are claiming we’re full, can’t accommodate THEM, don’t want any other groups, especially since we’re all here?
We just want, what we want & only share with others if they look like us or live outside our borders.
We are coming for THEM & guess what…..
now the Evil Bas***ds are coming for US.
50% of the US population.
Now what?
EVIL IS RUTHLESS!
Now, they are coming for us…we looked away too long throughout History.
Hispanics are voting Republican at a rapidly increasing rate. A large majority of them do NOT favor massive immigration because most Hispanics are working class and have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs where wages have been depressed. Black citizens – especially black men – are also infuriated by the indifference of current Democrats to the immigration issue.
The American economy does not need a massive increase of low-skilled workers. The so-called “jobs Americans won’t do” are jobs that pay too little. And only about 4% of illegal immigrants work in agriculture, the only possible job that Americans won’t do.
I travel a lot. I have not seen many locals cleaning hotel rooms.
Hotel housekeeping jobs don’t pay enough to attract citizen employees. Some people claim to support American workers; that claim is bogus if they also favor massive immigration that eliminates the tight labor market that raises wages. Consider the building trades; where I live residential roofing used to be a union job that paid (in 2022 dollars) around $27/hour with good benefits. That work is now done almost entirely by illegal immigrants for $10/hour at most. Residential roofing – according to liberal activists – is a “job Americans won’t do” even though for many decades American citizens did it.
The indifference of most of the Left to this issue is why working class citizens have turned heavily against their long time ally: the Democratic Party.
Lots of immigrants from poor countries have carpentry and other building trade experience. By the way I live in a conservative area that is growing at tremendous rate. Every building and roofing job is done by Latinos except for on-site boss. Many Latinos and other immigrants are skilled chefs. Also, the US has issued some temporary visas to Mexicans that are CDL qualified in Mexico to help ease the supply chain problems in the US due to a labor shortage.
While some Latinos on the Rio Grande did vote Republican in the last election, the city of El Paso which is largely Latino is about 63% registered as Democrats.
Nailed it, Ms. Hurley!
Kelly, yes Latinos are voting GOP. Did you see all the stories of Latinos who voted for Trump and then were outraged their undocumented spouses were deported? Proof positive that people vote against their own self-interests, and think none of the negative will apply to them.
Here in California, the California Farm Bureau Federation, a conservative group, issued a report that says “56% of California farmers reported being unable to find all the workers they needed over the last five years.”
The USDA says “An estimated 73% of agriculture workers today were born outside of the United States.” You’re saying most of those aren’t undocumented? Former California governor Jerry Brown said an estimated 80% of ag workers in California were undocumented.
To get out of hiring “illegals,” most farmers use labor contractors instead of hiring the workers themselves. Thus they can avoid being fined by the government. Animal processing plants in states like Nebraska (a red state) hire the undocumented. Local cities make draconian and yes, racist laws, saying people need proof of immigration status before they can rent an apartment or turn on utilities. But you’ll notice no one goes after the owners of these businesses that employ the undocumented.
As for “union jobs” in my county, a bluer than blue area on paper, unions are scorned, except for cops and firemen. School districts and the county office of ed refuse to work with local trade unions in letting students know what kind of well-paying apprenticeship jobs are available upon graduation. Jobs that pay over $20/hour, offer health benefits and pay towards a pension. That’s because the local scab construction companies hold more power and they hire the undocumented.
Always remember, immigrants come here for jobs, which they can find. And it’s hardly lefties that are hiring them. People may flee the Dems because of “illegal immigration,” but they don’t bother to notice how little the GOP actually does. When Trump came to talk to California farmers, he offered them more of everything, including water. He never mentioned the number of undocumented they employ. And of course, the Dems are too feckless to point it out.
Even former governor Pete “Deport Them All” Wilson came to his friends’ defense when they were caught hiring the undocumented at their large hotel. We want to have our cake and eat it too.
As a former Texas history teacher, let’s put some facts before us. Anglos were not welcomed into Mexican territories because they insisted on bringing slavery with them. The Republic of Texas was a revolt to continue slavery. Forget the Alamo. Once ”freedom” from Mexico was obtained, the Republic demanded no one free their slaves without permission of the state.
Texas was the last to respond to the Emancipation Proclamation.
In 1928 LBJ taught migrant children in Cotulla. He put together a PTA for their parents, and he stayed in contact with his students for the remainder of his life.
LBJ brought the promises of Reconstruction into reality. The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees cover “persons,” not citizens.
These children Abbott is using for political theater are covered by the protections of the 14th Amendment.
The Supreme Court spoke in 1982 by stating there was no state interest in keeping these kids illiterate.
There is no state interest in keeping them illiterate because the Governor of Texas wants to erase the Reconstruction amendments and return to his romantic vision of a Republic. The man is sick. His love affair with six shooters is pathology.
Equal protection still stands and all school doors in Texas will remain open to these children.
From your mouth to God’s ears, Rose.
Well said, Rose!!!
Great informative post!
Rose, immigrants to Tejas promised the Mexican government they would not bring slaves, they would learn Spanish and convert to Catholicism. They did none of this. Then they created a fantasy of how they were “freedom fighters.”
So, prominent Democrats used also to say xenophobic, racist stuff? Is that your point? Well, they were being xenophobic and racist.
90 percent of racists will tell you all about how not racist they are. I’ve come to expect this. It still infuriates me, but I’ve come to expect it.
Bob, no one is racist. NO ONE. No one has a “racist bone in their body.” NO ONE. No one is prejudiced. We’re all PERFECT. Ugh.
I almost said that, but the members of a number of neo-Nazi groups are quite open about their racism.
Undocumented (not “illegal”) immigrants get haircuts and buy groceries and so forth and so create demand, which creates jobs, the same as everyone else. And they create businesses that employ both immigrants and citizens at ten times the rate that citizens do. Economists know this stuff and that the jobs argument is total hooey. The Brookings Institute did a piece on this about a year and a half ago, but it’s well known. When the Trumps and the A-butts say, “They are coming for your jobs,” that’s just garbage. The net effect of this immigration, according to Brookings, is about a 1 percent INCREASE in jobs available to citizens. So, negligible.
This is all about the racism.
OK, haircuts isn’t the best example, because a lot of very poor people cut the hair of their own. But the buy scissors. LOL.
People who are willing to do this–to go through all that these folks go through in order to make lives for their children and send a few bucks back to their families impoverished by many decades of destabilizing American proxy wars are noble in my book. Blessings on them. Would that most fat Americans had such determination and work ethics and care for their families!
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/11/18/immigration-as-an-engine-for-reviving-the-middle-class-in-midsized-cities/
from Brookings:
It is uncontroversial that immigrants increase both the labor force and economic output. However, it is less obvious whether immigrants might lower wages for some native-born workers (Friedberg and Hunt 1995). In particular, low-wage native-born workers might be expected to suffer from the increased labor supply of low-skilled competitors from abroad, given that many immigrants tend to have lower skills than the overall native population (see figure 5).
Other adjustments could mute this impact. Firms could rearrange their operations to accommodate more workers and produce proportionally greater output, particularly over the long run (Friedberg and Hunt 1995). Firms appear to adjust technology and capital based on immigration and the skill mix of the local population (Lewis 2011). Foreign-born and native-born workers may be imperfect substitutes, even when they possess similar educational backgrounds (Ottaviano and Peri 2012).
In addition, the impact of low-skilled immigrants may be diluted (i.e., shared across the entire national labor market) as native workers and firms respond by rearranging themselves across the rest of the country (Card 1990). Foreign-born workers appear to be especially responsive to economic shocks as they search for employment: Mexican low-skilled men are more apt to move toward places with improving labor market prospects (Cadena and Kovak 2016). Finally, immigrants—low-skilled or high-skilled—contribute to labor demand as well as labor supply to the extent that they consume goods and services in addition to becoming entrepreneurs (White House 2013).
It is therefore an empirical question whether low-skilled immigration actually depresses wages for low-skilled natives. The consensus of the empirical literature is that this does not occur to any substantial extent (see figure 9, which presents estimates used in the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine consensus report). Most estimates in figure 9 show an impact on low-skilled native-born wages of 0 percent to –1 percent. Another recent estimate of the impact on low-skilled natives (Ottaviano and Peri 2012) estimated a slightly positive impact on wages (between 0.6 and 1.7 percent). Furthermore, the impacts on wages of native-born workers with more education are generally estimated to be positive, such that most estimates find the overall impact on native workers is positive (Blau and Mackie 2017; Kerr and Kerr 2011; Ottaviano and Peri 2012).
from Brookings:
Immigrants to the United States are considerably less likely than natives to commit crimes or to be incarcerated. As shown in figure 12a, recent immigrants are much less likely to be institutionalized (a proxy for incarceration that also includes those in health-care institutions like mental institutions, hospitals, and drug treatment centers) at every age.
Why do immigrants have fewer interactions with the criminal justice system? Immigrants are subject to various kinds of formal and informal screening. In other words, institutions and incentives often cause the United States to receive migrants who are advantaged relative to their origin-country counterparts (Abramitzky and Boustan 2017) and less disposed to commit crimes. At the time of Butcher and Piehl’s analysis, deportation was not a major factor; rather, self-selection of low-crime-propensity immigrants into the United States appears to have been the driver (Butcher and Piehl 2007).[4]
There is an important caveat to this account: recent immigrants have had less time to be arrested and imprisoned in the United States than have natives. In other words, there may be a somewhat smaller gap in their criminal activity versus natives, but the U.S. criminal justice system has had less time to detain and incarcerate them (Butcher and Piehl 2007). Figure 12b therefore looks more specifically at the criminal justice interactions of native-born and foreign-born adults over a narrower window of time. It shows that 30- to 36-year-old immigrants are less likely to have been recently arrested, incarcerated, charged, or convicted of a crime when compared to natives, confirming the broader pattern of figure 12a. Research examining quasi-random variation in Mexican immigration has also found no causal impact on U.S. crime rates (Chalfin 2014).
In addition to the broader question of how immigrants as a group affect crime and incarceration rates, it is important to understand how changes in the legal status of immigrants can affect criminal justice outcomes. Evidence suggests that providing legal resident status to unauthorized immigrants causes a reduction in crime (Baker 2015). This is associated with improvements in immigrants’ employment opportunities and a corresponding increase in the opportunity cost of crime. Conversely, restricting access to legal employment for unauthorized immigrants leads to an increased crime rate, particularly for offenses that help to generate income (Freedman, Owens, and Bohn 2018). In total, unauthorized immigration does not seem to have a significant effect on rates of violent crime (Green 2016; Light and Miller 2018).
Click to access 09_immigration.pdf
But hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of the White Supremacist “we’ve got ours, screw you” argument, which isn’t about the facts but about how much some people love to hate the Other.
Don’t you love the language these fear mongers on the right use? It isn’t that people with strong family values and an astonishing work ethic come here to contribute and build lives, it’s that the country is “overrun.” It’s the exact same language that the Nazis used–the country is “overrun” by Communists and Jews. It’s the language one uses to speak of vermin. The house was overrun by cockroaches. The city was overrun by rats. And that was exactly the point of Haig Bosmajian’s great book The Language of Oppression–that this is how fascists and racists speak. They demonize by using the language of pestilence.
KJ, you’re repeating tropes. “the vast majority of whom speak little to no English and are low-skilled, many of whom are illiterate (reading and writing) in the language they speak.”
Gee, and yet throughout the history of this country, all immigrants came here with skills, money and knowing how to read and write in English.
“the taxes they pay will never come close to equaling the costs of the benefits they receive.”
Yet they’re the reason my county in California brings in over a BILLION dollars in agriculture. One county in a state with 58 counties, many of whom bring in over a BILLION dollars in agriculture. Add on to that the tourism we get for wine and the undocumented working in hotels, they contribute more than can be counted. This is why there is no immigration reform.
“left-wing political activists who want more future Democratic voters.”
Was that REAGAN’s goal? True left-wingers HATE the Democratic party. This is such a bs comment, and straight from RWNJs.
There is a profile of Trent Horn, an anti-abortion speaker who speaks on other political topics as well, posted at Catholic Answers. He’s presented his views at colleges like Stanford. An extensive list of his topics are identified at the site. Some included are, “Illegal Immigration and the Morality of Deportation”, “3 Rules for Catholic Voters”,
“5 Rules for Catholic Politicians”, “Gay Is Not Your Identity, father” ( description uses the term, “disordered sexual attractions”), “Defending the Right to Work”, “Defending the Right to Educate Our Children” and, “That Time Muhammed (didn’t) Split the Moon”.
How will society benefit from undocumented children running around outside of school parameters? This is an unmitigated recipe for disaster.
Any children outside of school parameters. It’s an insane move, not motivated by any sort of social good but purely by racism.
I think of documentaries on myriad cultures/regimes and wonder how far we are from having children begging on our street corners and calling it normal
While I am not a supporter of Gov. Abbot…. I do agree that the Federal gov’t should provide a state like Texas – which integrates a larger population of illegal immigrants into school systems – with more funding to support these children. It is a financial burden – but one I believe we as a country should incur.
The federal government does offer school districts Title 1 funding help defray some of the costs of educating ELLs.
There have always been illegal immigrants since people entered the US. Many people overstayed their visas and never returned to their home country. Rather common in the past.
We’ve always struggled being underfunded in public schools. We have millions of homeless families and their children, we have highest poverty rates….as educators, we teach the children in front of us. Our Nation always has tons of $$$ for other things, but children, families & public schools are not a priority, especially now.
As educators in schools we cannot fix the US or blame our children and their families for poverty. We used to not educate children with disabilities until PL 94-142. Many folks resent that a couple of kids require tons of services, tons of $$$, and may have little potential for the future.
With forced pregnancies, abortion bans, this part will become a bigger issue in the future. Giving birth to every child, increasing family sizes, increasing poverty, doing more with much less – The REPUBLICANS don’t care.
We’ve got to show up for each child in our classes and teach our hearts out for them. We do make a difference, but we can’t FIX THE EVIL AROUND US trying to blame everyone else, but not the elected people who choose to hurt others.
Public Schools serve the public – always have. Teaching will not get better right now!
We do it for the kids.
I was a special educator for 40 years. It was difficult when I started and worked for $5200 a year teaching very poor children. Those kids never chose their circumstances. I am also an immigrant, not speaking English, attending ESOL and lived the shunning of being ANOTHER IMMIGRANT WITH NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING PARENTS. As I learned the language, I translated for my parents, helping my father understand the written drivers test, he failed it 5 times until he finally passed it. We bought a $50 old car that needed to be jump started, but eventually, day by day, we made slow progress.
Now, after our own children and grandchildren, we are there for our grandson with Autism and plan for support as he grows up in a country where caring for people is always dismissed as SOCIALISM & then they ignore our needs, as they always have.
If you love kids, want to prepare them to the best of your ability, with as little as you can afford, then stay in the classroom. I did, and never regretted one moment. I’m not a pollyanna, not uninformed, just a realist – some wonderful kind teachers were there for me when I got off the ship in NYC in a country where I didn’t speak the language, didn’t feel welcomed, & I often planned to leave.
It was not welcoming, but I stayed. This is what this country is, worse now, but I’m hoping that democracy will survive.
We are the richest nation, but we don’t want to spend it on people who need it –
yelling SOCIALISM gets them off the hook.
Same old story!
Do it for the Kids, however they appear in front of you. It matters!!!
Thank you, Ms. Hurley, for sharing your story. You and folks like you, you came here and worked hard and built something, are what this country is REALLY about. People like Abbott spout their supposed patriotism, but they haven’t a freaking clue.
Thank you for your comments. Most ESL/bilingual teachers feel very grateful to have the opportunity to work with the newcomers and their hard working families.
It’s obvious from this thread that almost all commenters oppose any restrictions on immigration. You all favor open borders. That’s not economically sound in a modern economy.
Instead of simply parroting rightwing slogans (e.g., “open borders”), might I suggest actually educating yourself about this issue? You might start here:
Click to access 09_immigration.pdf
And what you will find is that large-scale immigration is, in fact, economically sound for reasons you haven’t begun to think about.
Kathy is one of the easily duped by the billionaire-funded propaganda that leads voters to the Republican Party. The GOP assures that the richest 0.1% keep and expand their wealth share which is equal to that of 90% of the U.S. population.
Kathy votes against her own interests because she finds it more psychologically comfortable.
When the conservative churches and Peter Thiel take away her right to vote because she’s a woman and implement authoritarianism, she won’t be writing anything political at blogs.
Kathy, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, everyone has said they favor open borders! Everyone!
There’s a difference between disagreeing with making immigrants scape goats, and the lies spread about them, and advocating open borders.
“Critical thinking.” Look it up.
Laura,
Your voice is a great addition to the blog.
The United States has an infrastructure problem. We desperately NEED the economic stimulus that comes from largescale construction projects, and we NEED these workers. They, like everyone else, create demand and create jobs and contribute via the work they do and do so assiduously. Blessings on these workers, and curses upon the racists who defile them with their ignorant, racist slogans and lies based on alternative facts (that is, ones not warranted by what actually happens in the real world). The ignorance of the right on this issue is profound.
Want to get our economy humming? Harness that immigrant army to rebuild bridges and roads and water systems and sewage systems and desalinization plants and windmills and solar arrays.
We should make this a freaking program. Come. Come. Help us rebuild. And we will help you build better lives for your families.
But then we have these racist idiots like Abbott and all the millions of Trumpanzee spouters of unexamined racist falsehoods standing in the way of that.
A WPA Program for immigrants
Italian immigrants are credited with FDR’s win which enabled WPA.
Then, Italian-Americans began to vote Republican. The appointment of SCOTUS Justice Scalia, a plan that Pat Buchanan takes credit for, was one of the steps that attached voters of Italian ancestry to the GOP, that and the Catholic church’s move into right wing politics.
Those who fail to anticipate that the Hispanic vote will go the same way are not very prescient.
In all ages, in all countries, the priest aligns with the despot- Jefferson
Linda, 30% of Latinos voted for Trump. Even people with undocumented spouses. Trump made it very clear what his goals were, and a bunch of people agreed, and thought “well, my poop doesn’t stink,” meaning their undocumented spouse was one of the good people, not the rapists, and etc that Trump mentioned. Hah, the joke was on them. DEPORTED.
Laura: IKR? What this is like:
Trump, Carlsen, and their vile, racist ilk keep spouting their “White Replacement Theory.” Well, if they are what is being replaced, the sooner the better! And Donnie, Tucker (spell that with an F), learn some freaking Spanish, pendejos!
I give you two men: One born into luxury. Has never really worked. Makes millions spouting lies. The other went through holy hell to come to this country and work like a dog to earn a few dollars to feed his kids and aged parents back home.
No problem for me to discern which I respect.
Brookings has done great work on this topic. Here’s what happens: In the first generation, these folks work in construction and service jobs and meat packing and agriculture. In the second generation, their kids work everywhere, in an economy that has grown, partially on their backs, due to their labor.
Back to the top of the blog: Plyler v. Doe.
One of many Supreme Court decisions amidst a pattern of ‘inclusionary’ decisions (Brown v. Board, Title IX, IDEA, Pico…).
Now that they have the Supreme Court in their pocket, the GOP will try to reverse every one.
Next? Internment camps?
yup
Four right-wing soundbite lies:
They’re taking our jobs. False. Undocumented immigrants have near-zero effect on job availability. They buy goods and services like other people, and that is demand, and demand creates jobs. There is a lot of economic evidence of this. See the Brookings reports that I posted above. This claim is simply untrue, but it keeps getting repeated.
They consume our services. LOL. They also PROVIDE services. And those who employ them get the surplus value of their labor (the value of their labor over and above their wages), which far more than equals the cost of the services that they consume (such as educational services for their kids).
They are murderers and rapists. False. These folks have just about the lowest crime rates, including rates of violent and property crime, of any subgroups in our population.
They depress economic growth. False. Again, as the Brookings reports I posted above show, exactly the opposite is the case. One reason for this is that they work so incredibly hard and produce a lot of value, and much of this work is in construction (you know, infrastructure–buildings, roads), which assists economic growth.
The mere presence of additional people in the country will increase demand for various goods and services. We could bring in 100,000 Alzheimer’s patients and they would create demand for nurses aides, beds, food, etc. But they would produce nothing; the per capita income for the U.S. would decline. The same principle holds for people with low-skills and low incomes; increasing their numbers decreases per capita income. They consume more in public resources than they pay in taxes – simple math. At least two studies (around ten years ago) that on average a family of four needed an income of at least $60,000 before they paid more in taxes than they received in public benefits. That’s a deliberate feature of a progressive tax system.
I’ve read dozens of online discussions where commenters say that the claim that Democrats support open borders is just a false right-wing talking point. Never does anyone ever say what restrictions on immigration they support. Have at it DR blog readers: what restrictions on immigration do you support so that we don’t have open borders? Be specific.
Given the fact that the richest 0.1% in the U.S. have wealth equivalent to the bottom 90%, a discussion about topics other than income inequality is akin to rearranging the chairs on a sinking Titanic.
Chip reflects the skill set of the right wing. The bottom economic classes fight over scraps . Kelly and Kathy, commenting in this thread, also reflect the right wing skill set. Their focus is steered away from the loss of women’s rights like voting. Peter Thiel who funds political candidates for the GOP said, women voting in a capitalistic democracy is an oxymoron.
I believe immigrants should have sponsors, as they did long ago, who guarantee they will have a job. I would have sponsored an immigrant but it is not allowed anymore.
This is such utter nonsense.
These are people who work extremely hard. They create demand, which creates jobs, and their employers receive the surplus value of their labor (the value above and beyond what they are paid), which FAR MORE than compensates for any services that they consume. Economists know this. A bit of advice: educate yourself about the economic facts before you start spewing these knee-jerk racist soundbites. A good place to start looking at the actual economic consequences: Google “Brookings immigration.”
Chip: They produce more in value than they are paid. There is even a name for that. It’s called surplus value. Simple math.
Undocumented is the problem, not immigration. Lack of structure and fairness in the economy is not a good solution. Chaos and lack of rules in the economy benefits cheaters and hurts hard working immigrants and citizens who play by the rules.
Plyler vs. Doe was partially based on economic impact and fairness. Unless that is addressed to some satisfaction for the majority, this will be controversial.
One of the justifications for the development of urban public schools in the early 19th century was to get young people off of the streets to reduce mischief. Governor Abbott doesn’t seem to understand that under educated unsupervised children can create havoc and that this will cost as much as keeping them in schools.
Paul,
Pay now to educate these children or pay more later to incarcerate those who are illiterate and unable to get a job.
Sorry but Laura is exactly right about the Democratic party’s lack of message, spine and support for women when it mattered the most decades ago. A majority of Democratic representatives will never stick their necks out to ensure womens’ rights because we are now at a point where Democrats have remained mostly silent when anti choice white men have been controlling the debate using unscientific and totally specious arguments
Kathryn, you mean like ectopic pregnancies aren’t automatically non-viable? Just move it to the uterus!
Soon, they will let the woman die of an ectopic pregnancy because there’s a fetal heartbeat. Never mind the husband and children the woman may be leaving behind.
The “they” are anti -abortion, anti-woman Catholics and evangelical Christians. “They” are almost exclusively Republican.