Consider what might have happened on January 6, 2021, if the members of the House and Senate had not been evacuated in time.
A CNN documentary on Sunday night (“The Trump Insurrection”) showed how close their escape was, as does this timeline in the New York Times. The Senate and House were both in session as the mob was battling the police inside the building. The Senate seems to have been moved first. The mob was trying to break through the doors of the House of Representatives while members were still on the second floor gallery. They were sheltering under their desks, lying on the floor, wearing gas masks, aware that the terrorists were trying to smash through the doors. The members seem to have gotten out only seconds or minutes before the terrorists broke in.
What if the terrorists had broken into the chambers while the members were still huddled on the floor? How many would have been taken hostage? How many would have been killed by the mob? Would Nancy Pelosi have been beheaded on national television? When you see the intensity of the mob, none of this seems unlikely. They were raging for blood. They chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” They wanted Pelosi. They wanted the House leaders. They wanted to capture and eliminate the leadership of the Congress.
White House aides said that Trump watched the spectacle with “enthusiasm.” He loves chaos and he got what he wanted. When he spoke of “American Carnage” in his inaugural address in 2017, we did not know it was a prediction of what he would create. When Trump was finally persuaded by his aides to tell his mob to go home, he added, “I love you. You are very special.” Not exactly discouraging words to a bloodthirsty mob.
Dozens of Capitol Police officers were injured. Two died, one when he was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher, the other by suicide. So far, the death toll is six. Will anyone be held accountable for this failed coup?
One Capitol Police officer, Eugene Goodman, has been hailed as a hero. He single-handly misdirected an angry mob away from the entrance to the Senate Chamber and led them up the stairs where reinforcements were waiting. His timely action may have saved the lives of the Senators.
Despite the mob violence, Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Josh Hawley emerged from their hiding places, along with several Senate colleagues, to vote against certifying the Electoral College count for Biden. They continued to peddle Trump’s Big Lie about voter fraud, knowing full well that it was a lie. Surely they did not believe that hard-right Republican governors like Doug Ducey of Arizona and Brian Kemp of Georgia “rigged” the vote for Biden. If Democrats were so successful at “rigging” the vote for president, why were they unsuccessful at doing the same for Senate seats? It defies the imagination. Cruz and Hawley are trying to draw support from the Trump world of the deluded and the gullible. Trump’s bottom line has been consistent since he starting running for president: If he lost the election, it was “rigged.” If he won, it was not “rigged.”
Was there a larger plot? Were members of the Trump administration or others complicit? We must wait for a thorough investigation before we can know the answers to those questions.
One thing is for certain, the insurrection of Jan. 6 was a super-spreader event. Already more Congress people have come down with the covid virus as a result of being crammed in a room with idiotic GOPers who refused to wear a mask. Here are 6 GOP knuckleheads who adamantly refused to wear a mask during the lock down: Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Oklahoma Rep. Markwayne Mullin, Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs, Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry, Texas Rep. Michael Cloud and California Rep. Doug LaMalfa were captured unmasked and gathered closely together. They all refused the masks.
The GOP is indeed a death cult, a curse on the body politic. And NO, the Democrats are not the same as the GOP, there is no equivalency.
Mary Trump said that Donald is acting just like he did when he was 3 years old. He never learns. Now, he is saying the impeachment is ‘a continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics”.
He believes he is a victim once again. NO, he is a toddler who doesn’t get adult messages.You cannot innocently cause a storming of the Capitol building in which the goal was to possibly kill members of Congress.
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In first public appearance since the Capitol siege, Trump expresses no contrition for inciting the mob.
President Trump claimed that it was the impeachment charge, not the violence and ransacking of the Capitol, that was “causing tremendous anger.”
President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob that stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of members of Congress and his vice president, saying that his remarks to a rally beforehand were “totally appropriate” and that the effort by Congress to impeach and convict him was “causing tremendous anger.”
Answering questions from reporters for the first time since the violence at the Capitol on Wednesday, the president sidestepped questions about his culpability in the deadly riot that shook the nation’s long tradition of peaceful transfers of power.
“People thought what I said was totally appropriate,” Mr. Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews, en route to Alamo, Texas, where he was set to visit the border wall. Instead, Mr. Trump claimed that racial justice protests over the summer were “the real problem.”
“If you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in Portland and Seattle and various other places, that was a real problem,” he said.
Mr. Trump’s defiance came despite near universal condemnation of his role in stoking the assault on the Capitol, including from within his own administration and some of his closest allies on Capitol Hill.
Earlier, he asserted that it was the impeachment charge, not the violence and ransacking of the Capitol, that was “causing tremendous anger.”
Mr. Trump has been largely silent since Friday, when Twitter permanently suspended his Twitter account. When asked directly on Tuesday morning if he would resign with just nine days left in office, Mr. Trump said “I want no violence.”
He did not address his own role in inciting the mob of Trump supporters. Instead, the president framed himself as a victim, calling impeachment a “continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics.”
“I think it’s causing tremendous anger,” he said….
Mary Trump insulted 3-year-olds. They may act like babies, but they don’t lie, they don’t cheat, they often obey their mommies, though not always.
Three-year-olds are lovable. Trump is not.
If Democrats were so successful at “rigging” the vote for president, why were they unsuccessful at doing the same for Senate seats?
This question keep crossing my mind. The republican, especially trump, cruz and hawley refuse to answer it because it totally contradicts their false convoluted lies.
Clearly, obviously. And this is one reason why we know that Cruz and Hawley didn’t actually believe the bs they were spouting but, rather, were lying in order to achieve what they thought would be a political advantage for them–a special place in the hearts of Trump’s base (and their votes in 2024). Each made this political calculation: if I have the Trump base behind me in 2024, I will survive the Repugnican primary and be the party’s representative on the ticket.
This entire “mob mentality” narrative as an excuse for the violence needs to end. It was all planned, and the FBI knows it. “As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to ‘unlawful lockdowns’ to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.,” the document says. “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-intelligence/2021/01/12/30d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html
There was planning, but it was bad planning, as one would expect from the Trump Moron Army.
Some people think Neanderthal man disappeared thousands of years ago.
But some of us know better.
There are photos taken during the siege of the Capitol to prove it.
Neanderthal ain’t gone
Neanderthal ain’t gone
He’s prevalent at that
He’s on the White House lawn
And wearing MAGA hat
Neanderthal succeeded
Beyond his wildest dreams
He wasn’t outcompeted
By Sapiens, it seems
LOL
Neanderthal is here
Neanderthal is there
There’s quite a lot to fear
He’s really everywhere
Proof positive that Neanderthal is still around
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/09/21/PPHX/80204789-375d-4978-bcb7-b5ebd9e19b50-Open_AZ_Rally_1.jpg?width=660&height=447&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp
Great photo of a Trump supporter.
Shepard Fairey did the classic red white and blue Obama poster labeled Hope from a photo.
He could use this photo to do another one labeled “Dope”
If it were my own photo, i would do it.
But Fairey got into a lot of trouble because he violated the photographers copyright when he basically stole the photo and then denied he had done it. Not cool.
Others had your nonetheless excellent idea, SomeDAM: https://www.teepublic.com/poster-and-art/1825517-trump-dope-poster?feed_sku=1825517D6V&ar_clx=yes&ar_channel=google&ar_campaign=71700000074371233&ar_adgroup=58700006420430647&ar_ad=PRODUCT_GROUP&ar_strategy=search&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=G.PLA+-+%5BG.USA%5D+%5BL.ENG%5D+%5BC.Prints%5D&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0fr_BRDaARIsAABw4EtFo8D5culfgTMs0Ji10zm52d5CJhrIiooefZAaaW7Vhct6rmosdN8aAuq9EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
People steal from artists and photographers all the time. There is a whole industry (eg, in places like China) devoted to reproducing and selling other people’s work.
Most artists and photographers don’t have the resources to go after the people who do it.
It just happened that Fairey made the mistake of stealing the work of a photographer doing business with the Associate Press who had taken the photo.
Reading this thread sparked this song in my head (from Akron’s finest, DEVO):
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
One chromosome, too many
Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Just goes to show that warped minds think alike
Neanderthal’s a threat
To Sapiens, it’s true
And you can really bet
He’s red and white and blue
“Moron Army”
Hitler and his crowd was described by the same adjectives in 1923, when he led his first attempt at revolution from a bar. 10 years later he is name chancellor of Germany. Underestimating the enemy (and that’s what we are talking about here) is a very common mistake.
1. Treating Their Enemies as Ignorant Peasants
2. Underestimating the enemy General
6. Assuming Their Enemies Would Not Learn
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/vietnam-war/8-reasons-french-military-disaster-dien-bien_phu-mmm.html
I have no doubt, Mate, that ignorant people can make things happen in the world. No doubt at all.
You make an excellent point, as usual, Mate.
One thing that was left off the list and perhaps the biggest mistake the French made in Vietnam was the same one the Americans made: not taking into account that they were viewed as invaders by not just the military leaders but by a large fraction of the general population.
When that is the case, you cant “win” no matter how incompetent, stupid or ” backward” your opponent actually is.
The same mistake” was made by the US in Iraq. Our leaders don’t ever learn.
Remember when Rumsfeld made the remarks to reporters that we would be greeted as liberators? People hear what they want to hear. However bad the regime was, and it was pretty bad, people generally see invaders as much worse, don’t they.
In 1945, people in Eastern Europe treated the Soviets as liberators. And they were indeed that. Then the Soviets overstayed their welcome.
LOL. Yes. The older folks must have had a lot of fascinating stories when you were a kid, Mate!
I have to figure out these accents so I can spell your name properly!
Wow. That account from AOC is chilling. She has long been a target of Trump and his morons.
Probably everybody was a target who stood in their way. They might have been “collateral damage” as they try make their way to the prime targets. My feeling is, though, that this was a takeover attempt.
Mine, too. A ridiculous one, but genuinely one, nonetheless, and as you so wisely stated here earlier, it would be an enormous mistake to discount them based on the stupidity of this first stab at it.
We cannot expect Trump to write a Mein Kampf, though.
Maybe he’ll publish a Collected Twitter Works. Could serve the purpose.
Meine gesammelten Twitter
LOL!!!
No, Stephen “Goebbels” Miller or KayLie McInanity or some other staffer will write it for him. Then he will crow about his great book.
With this titlée and content, of course Twitter will want part of the deal, and they will suit each other butts, both sides wasting millions on lawyers they stole from us. So the theater would continue with Trump acting in the leading role.
Ex FBI director Comey says, though, the country is best served if Trump is not given any space on any screen in the next 3-4 years.
Trump’s Memoirs will be a collection of his tweets
Meine Lügen und Tweets
This post is about Republican organizations and sympathizers who helped to engineer the insurrection on January 6, 2020. Some of these had a relatively a low profile.
The first organization is The Republican Attorneys General Association (RAGA). RAGA is a 527 political organization that helps elect Republican attorneys general and can accept unlimited contributions from wealthy individuals and corporations.
Researchers at Documented.net have records showing that RAGA received significant funding from numerous corporations in 2020, including Koch Industries ($375k), Comcast Corporation ($200k), Walmart ($140k), Home Depot ($125k), Amazon ($100k), TikTok ($75k), 1-800 Contacts ($51k), Chevron ($50k), The National Rifle Association ($50k), Monsanto ($50k), Facebook ($50k), Fox Corporation ($50k), Uber ($50k), Coca Cola ($50k), Exxon ($50k), and Google ($25k). RAGA was instrumental in pushing Trump’s lies about election frauds aided by major corporate donors who are no longer supporting Trump and Republicans see https://www.marketplace.org/2021/01/11/companies-suspend-political-donations-following-capitol-riot/
RAGA would not exist without funding from a second organization: RLDF, the Rule of Law Defense Fund. RLDF likes to play hide and seek on websites. For a time RLDF appeared on the March to Save America website along with Stop the Steal, WildProtest.com, Turning Point Action, Moms for America, Peaceably Gather, Black Conservative Fund, Tea Party Patriots, Phyllis Schlafly Eagles, Women for America First, and Eighty Percent Coalition. Then RLDF vanished from the website, because MarchtoSaveAmerica.com had been taken down
That was no impediment to RLDF causing chaos. In fact, the Rule of Law Defense Fund gave explicit instructions to its partners and allies on how to cause havoc on January 6: ”We will march to the Capitol building and call on congress to stop the steal. We are hoping patriots like you will join us to continue to fight to protect the integrity of our elections. For more information, visit MarchtoSaveAmerica.com. This call is paid for and authorized by the Rule of Law Defense Fund.“ A recording of that call can be heard at the website of Documented.net.
Finally, in addition to that investigative journalism, Documented.net has revealed the role of ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council, and it’s local arm ACCE, the American City County Exchange/ in supporting Trump. ALEC held a virtual “States and Nation Policy Summit” December 2-4, 2020. The corporate sponsors were Coca-Cola Consolidated, EdChoice, KnowWho, McShane, NetChoice, PhRMA, Raytheon Technologies, and The International Franchise Association.
Yes, EdChoice, formerly the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice a “non-profit” was a corporate sponsor of this ALEC conference. EdChoice is the reason almost every state has a policy in support of vouchers, education savings accounts, tax-credit scholarships, individual tax credits or other tax deductions.
In addition to EdChoice as sponsor of ALEC’s December 2020 Conference, other “education” participants were:
Jeanne Allen, Founder & CEO, Center for Education Reform. She was a speaker, and her organization is a member of ALEC/ACCE.
Nicole Allen, Director of Open Education for SPARC (promotes royalty free educational resources. and not a member of ALEC/ACCE
Rachelle Engen, Educational Choice Fellow from the Institute for Justice a Private Sector Member of ALEC/ACCE
Andrew Handel, Director of ALEC’s Education and Workforce Development policies
William Maddox, Director of Center for Educational Options at the James Madison Institute, an ALEC/ACCE Member
Shawn Peterson, Executive Director, Catholic Education Partners, an ALEC/ACCE Member
Aaron Smith Director of Educational Policy, Reason Foundation a speaker at the conference
All of these participants are now denying any culpability in causing the insurrection. See the latest at
https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2021/01/11/republican-ags-forever-tied-to-violent-pro-trump-insurrection/
It’s such a privilege to have our own resident investigative reporter!
RAGA and MAGA make me go GAGA. The MAGA crowd have declared war on American democracy and the rule of law.
Oh the irony of that name, “The Rule of Law Defense Fund,” and oh the tragedy of chief law enforcement officers in these states promoting lawless theft of the voting rights of people in other states.
Interfering with an election is a crime, so in these people we have CRIMINAL Attorneys General–walking, talking, breathing oxymorons, with emphasis on the “moron.”
“If we’re wrong, we will be made fools of, but if we’re right a lot of them will go to jail,” Giuliani said. “Let’s have trial by combat.”
None of “them” are going to jail!! What a way to talk to a group of disenfranchised voters…it just riled them up even more. They look more foolish and desperate than they already were and the sad thing is that they don’t even realize it. It’s a good thing that social media has been shut down for these people because they need to be de-programmed.
Don’t care about hypotheticals. While they can be a good font of mental masturbation which can be satisfying, I prefer to stick with the reality that was and is. There are more than enough concerns with the reality of the current situation to occupy our time and energies. We need to focus on those concerns not some pie in the sky what ifs.
Duane,
Trained militia entered the Capitol with zip ties.
Why?
Seems to me to be pretty obvious. Some of the traitors were intent upon kidnapping someone. The question to me is: How/why wasn’t there enough security at the Capitol?
That’s not a what if, that’s a fact and that fact should be one of the first addressed, after getting rid of the tRump through impeachment.
And I don’t call them militia. They are white supremacist terrorist insurrectionists that have been encouraged over the years by the tRump’s rhetoric and by very, very lax law enforcement against them.
In normal times, I would agree with you, Duane. But this is THE exception to the rule. The “what ifs” in this case concern our future very much.
Work with the facts, there is plenty to do with those. What ifs can be saved for later, after the current white supremacist terroristic insurrections are dealt with, preferably with a death sentence for some.
They are related, you can’t have one without the other. Walk AND chew gum.
Duane, it is CLEARLY extremely important that these concerns be voiced. Why? The planning for something much worse DEMONSTRATES that this was not a spontaneous overflow of emotion. The attack on the Capitol was PREMEDITATED by many, if not most, of its participants, and explaining why it might have been a lot worse is not, therefore, an empty hypothetical. It is very much to the point of proving premeditation so that the guilty can be appropriately punished and so deter such behavior in the future.
Let me make this as clear as I can. Suppose that someone is arrested breaking into your house with a gun, a surgical saw, and a copy of The Cannibal’s Cookbook in his possession. Would you argue that the notion that he planned something pretty awful be a purely hypothetical matter? Clearly not. The evidence moves it past the hypothetical, and it is relevant to the charges that would be brought against this person.
Or, as in the case of the Capitol rioters, perhaps he could just be charged with “unlawful entry” and slapped with a $1,000 fine.
I find it amusing Robert that you are using a hypothetical to get your point across. I understand that they can be useful at times. What we need now it to exam what happened, how it happened and who was responsible. Now does that take some serious questioning of how those things might have happened. Yes, but hypotheticals like your example doesn’t get to the bottom of what, why and how things went down.
I have no doubt that it was premeditated, hell it was out in the wide open on the right wing social media sites. There is so much digging to be done. Will it be done thoroughly? I doubt it. But that’s just the cynic in me. Actually it is the realist in me.
Now it is reported that the emergency buttons in Congresswoman Pressley’s office had been ripped out ahead of time. Yes, it was an inside job (just like 9/11 but I won’t go there now). We didn’t get the truth from the government for that debacle and we won’t get the truth for this debacle.
Call it as I see it, that is all.
“But that’s just the cynic in me. Actually it is the realist in me.”
Yeah, cynics and pessimists always see reality. 🙂
Duane, a hypothetical is any statement that expresses a hypothesis. So, in general, hypothetical statements are based upon evidence, and the evidence provides the rationale both for making the hypothetical and for pursuing it. I think that you are confusing the term “hypothetical” with the term “counterfactual,” “possible counterfactual,” or “probable counterfactual.” In the example I provided, there is evidence that the intruder meant to kill and consume. LOL. So that makes it worth stating and acting upon. Is that clear now?
I understand, Duane, that people sometimes use the term “hypothetical” loosely, in the vernacular, to refer to pie in the sky stuff–stuff for which there is no evidence or scant evidence that isn’t, therefore, worth stating or following up upon unless one simply wants to indulge speculation. But the denotation of “hypothetical” is “having to do with a hypothesis.” In general, people make hypotheses based upon likelihood or evidence, and both clearly apply to the hypotheticals raised by the post. There is substantial evidence that these people meant to interfere with the legislative proceeding and thus the election and that many of them meant to do harm to elected officials.
So, what makes a hypothesis worth stating is that a) there is warrant for it, and b) it matters. Both are true here.
The post doesn’t just say that it could have been worse, Duane. It says that it could have been worse because worse things were demonstrably premeditated. There is nothing purely hypothetical about that.
The post gives an example of clear predmeditation–the chants of “Hang Pence,” and it ends by saying that investigation is likely to reveal a lot more such. That removes this worse-case scenario from the realm of the purely hypothetical.
cx: premeditation, ofc
And premeditation doesn’t mean putting on some soothing music, lighting some incense, and laying out one’s yoga mat.
And, of course, considering pure hypotheticals related to this incident is also VITALLY important, in the root sense of the word “vitally.” Such hypothetials bear upon the kind of security that should exist, in the future, to protect the legislative chambers and events such as the Inaugural.
For me, the video of a CP officer luring rioters down a hall by aping little lunges at them, then backing away with truncheon raised— maneuvers that kept their backs to an open side door where we could see unprotected Senators— that was not a “pie in the sky what if.”
From the personal accounts of members of Congress who were left behind in the second floor gallery: they heard the mob pounding at the door. They escaped literally seconds before the mob burst in. Why should it be off-limits to imagine what would have happened had they taken hostages or beat up members of Congress or tossed them over the balcony?
The appropriate response of the CP officer would have been to take his gun out and shoot. Nobody would have run up the stairs. For what other occasion did he get his gun?
The inaction of CP is viewed as weakness and hence more actions are planned all over the country.
Hard to say what would have happened if CP started firing because crowds can be very volatile especially when members of the crowd are armed but I have a feeling a lot more people would now be dead.
And Firing into crowds may be the worst thing Police can do.
I would certainly not want their jo with all the nutcases descending on the Capitol..
This is not not the concept of “shooting into a crowd”. The “crowd” was out, 100 yards from the Capitol, where tear gas may be the appropriate weapon. By the time they climbed the walls, breaking windows and doors, they got renamed to terrorists.
Let’s not forget, they chanted “hang Mike Pence”, in case anybody tried to misunderstand the purpose of their visit.
AOC: “I had a pretty traumatizing event happen to me. And I do not know if I can even disclose the full details of that event due to security concerns. But I can tell you that I had a very close encounter where I thought I was going to die.
And you have all of those thoughts where– you know, at the end of your life, and all of these thoughts come rushing to you. And that’s what happened to a lot of us on Wednesday. And I thought I– I– I did not think– I did not know if I was going to make it to the end of that day alive, and not just in a general sense, but also in a very, very specific sense.”
When a stranger breaks into your house, saying, I am going to kill your family, hopefully you have made up your mind, whose lives are more important, your family’s or the burglar’s—however disturbing it may be to think about harming even a stranger.
If I was a member of Congress, I sure am hoping that the Capitol Police defends me as if I was a member of their families.
Dear AOC, I didn’t just want to shoot people who broke into the Capitol, and wanted to kill you. I mean, I cannot just shoot another human being. Instead, I bravely led them up the stairs, waving a stick at them. I trust you understand.
Good idea. It also puts Congress on record of what they think of Trump. Who still supports this evil person?
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Impeachment Isn’t the Only Option Against Trump
Congress can invoke its constitutional power to bar the president from holding office again.
By Deepak Gupta and Brian Beutler
Mr. Gupta is the founder of an appellate litigation law firm in Washington, D.C. Mr. Beutler is the editor in chief of Crooked Media.
Congress should use its constitutional power to prohibit instigators and perpetrators of last week’s violent siege of the Capitol, including President Trump, from holding public office ever again.
On Monday, House leaders introduced an article of impeachmentagainst the president for “inciting violence against the government of the United States,” an obligatory action, given the gravity of the president’s transgression. But this is not the only route for ensuring accountability. The Constitution has another provision that is tailor-made for the unthinkable, traitorous events of Jan. 6 that goes beyond what impeachment can accomplish.
Emerging from the wreckage of the Civil War, Congress was deeply concerned that former leaders of the Confederacy would take over state and federal offices to once again subvert the constitutional order. To prevent that from happening, Congress passed the 14th Amendment, which in Section 3 bars public officials and certain others who have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the Constitution from serving in public office. Although little known today, Section 3 was used in the post-Civil War era to disqualify former rebels from taking office. And, in the wake of perhaps the boldest domestic attack on our nation’s democracy since the Civil War, Section 3 can once again serve as a critical tool to protect our constitutional order.
The 14th Amendment gives Congress the power to enforce Section 3 through legislation. So Congress can immediately pass a law declaring that any person who has ever sworn to defend the Constitution — from Mr. Trump to others — and who incited, directed, or participated in the Jan. 6 assault “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” and is therefore constitutionally disqualified from holding office in the future.
Congress can also decide how this legislation will be enforced by election officials and the courts, based on all the facts as they come out. The Constitution prohibits Congress from enacting so-called bills of attainder, which single out individuals for guilt. But, in addition to the legislation we suggest, Congress could also pass nonbinding sense-of-Congress resolutions that specify whom they intend to disqualify. This would provide a road map for election officials and judges, should any people named in those resolutions seek to run for or hold public office. And Congress can do this by a simple majority — far less of a hurdle than the two-thirds majority in the Senate that removing the president requires.
We believe legislators of conscience should brandish this option not as a substitute for impeachment but as a complement to it. Senators shouldn’t be allowed to escape or indefinitely delay a vote on Mr. Trump’s conduct simply by running out the clock on his term. (The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has suggested no trial will happen before the inauguration.) Republicans should be on notice that whether or not they face a vote on conviction and removal of Mr. Trump, they will at the very least be compelled to vote by a Democratic-controlled Congress on barring Mr. Trump from ever holding public office again.
This option also has power that the impeachment process lacks. As we learn more in the coming months about who is culpable for the siege, the ranks of those disqualified from office will likely swell. The legislation we envision would allow future courts and decision makers to apply the law after the investigations are complete. Eventually, we should have a 9/11 Commission-style report on what led to these events; the facts marshaled there can be deployed under the legislation we propose…
The following is only one item which adds to the above It is incomplete here. . Another on ATT news is equally scary
:Colleen: Only part of a more comprehensive analysis and more is coming out every day.
Violet Blue
·Journalist
Tue, January 12, 2021, 8:45 AM CST
Among so many things that are horrific about last week’s deadly attack on the Capitol building was the fact that it was planned for weeks. In the open. With that in mind, we are left wondering about the cybersecurity questions raised in the aftermath.
When Engadget asked a physical cybersecurity penetration tester what he’d do if assigned to “pentest” the Capitol building during the riot, the response wasn’t comforting. His excitement was palpable. “Oooh, so many cool attacks you could do,” he said, and began listing equipment he’d bring.
But hold on a second: before getting to the attacks, we need to have some real talk about who would do such a thing. It’s a question we’re all asking about many aspects of this unbelievably painful moment.
If “nation-state actor” is your go-to answer, you’re echoing the focus of nearly everyone else pontificating right now about threat modeling. As in, who would take advantage of unfettered access to hastily abandoned computers and devices left mostly in offices that don’t have surveillance cameras?
Everyone’s talking about a foreign adversary, then either hyping that threat, or dismissing it.
No one is talking about a domestic adversary. And when it comes to cybersecurity issues, Congressional safety, national security, and January 6… that’s a problem.
The calls are coming from inside the house
We all saw the images: threatening notes left on computers, the House Speaker’s computer screen unlocked with email open, MAGA terrorists looting — and taking electronic items yet to be identified. Reports, with probably more to come, of laptops stolen from the offices of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senator Jeff Merkley. Now there are as-yet unconfirmed reports that several classified laptops were stolen during the mob’s assault on the Capitol — left open and logged onto the classified SIPRNet network.
Initial impressions of the January 6 attack made it seem like the violent mob were costumed, unstable, virulently racist clowns that were just doing it for the ‘gram. Infosec got the quick impression that they “were unsophisticated opportunists who were more interested in taking selfies than infiltrating computer networks.”
Violet Blue
·Journalist
Tue, January 12, 2021, 8:45 AM CST
Among so many things that are horrific about last week’s deadly attack on the Capitol building was the fact that it was planned for weeks. In the open. With that in mind, we are left wondering about the cybersecurity questions raised in the aftermath.
When Engadget asked a physical cybersecurity penetration tester what he’d do if assigned to “pentest” the Capitol building during the riot, the response wasn’t comforting. His excitement was palpable. “Oooh, so many cool attacks you could do,” he said, and began listing equipment he’d bring.
But hold on a second: before getting to the attacks, we need to have some real talk about who would do such a thing. It’s a question we’re all asking about many aspects of this unbelievably painful moment.
If “nation-state actor” is your go-to answer, you’re echoing the focus of nearly everyone else pontificating right now about threat modeling. As in, who would take advantage of unfettered access to hastily abandoned computers and devices left mostly in offices that don’t have surveillance cameras?
Everyone’s talking about a foreign adversary, then either hyping that threat, or dismissing it.
No one is talking about a domestic adversary. And when it comes to cybersecurity issues, Congressional safety, national security, and January 6… that’s a problem.
The calls are coming from inside the house
We all saw the images: threatening notes left on computers, the House Speaker’s computer screen unlocked with email open, MAGA terrorists looting — and taking electronic items yet to be identified. Reports, with probably more to come, of laptops stolen from the offices of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senator Jeff Merkley. Now there are as-yet unconfirmed reports that several classified laptops were stolen during the mob’s assault on the Capitol — left open and logged onto the classified SIPRNet network.
Initial impressions of the January 6 attack made it seem like the violent mob were costumed, unstable, virulently racist clowns that were just doing it for the ‘gram. Infosec got the quick impression that they “were unsophisticated opportunists who were more interested in taking selfies than infiltrating computer networks.”
(FILES) Richard Barnett, a supporter of US President Donald Trump, holds a piece of mail as he sits inside the office of US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi after protestors breached the US Capitol in the US Capitol in Washington, DC, January 6, 2021. – Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (Photo by SAUL LOEB / AFP) (Photo by SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images)More
As we now know, this masked an organized, well-equipped, and pre-planned reality. Low-key, armed, ex-military teams with flexicuffs. Militia (“Oath Keepers”) on radios and in body armor, whose forums overflow with fantasies and plans to execute people. In just one example of preparation, attackers knew where to find (Black, Democrat) House Majority Whip James Clyburn’s unmarked secondary office — beelining to where he was supposed to be at the time.
Weeks of advanced notice, a loud and unpredictable mob as cover, and a plan to breach and occupy the Capitol building. It makes sense to think of it as an opportunity for a foreign adversary to tag along, blend into the crowd and see what they could get.
Yet one current cybersecurity defense contractor who specializes in offense (attacks) dismissed the Capitol as a valuable (or even practical) nation-state target outright. Speaking with Engadget under the condition of anonymity, they explained that it’s not that a whole host of attacks like malware, device cloning, spyware, keyloggers and other invasions weren’t possible — for the most part, they were. “The thing you aspire to in cyber espionage,” they explained, “is something like SolarWinds. No one knew they were compromised and being attacked. With the Capitol riots, you know everything is going to be considered compromised now”
If the results of the investigation link Trump to the mob, he will call it fake news, all lies, a witch hunt.
Hopefully, he will still be banned by Twitter and other Social Media sites so it isn’t as easy as it was to spread his lies.
Hopefully, the traditional media will stop covering him in the news.
It’s interesting that in my viewing of the coverage, no one brought up the attempted kidnapping of the governor of Michigan that happened a few months ago as a point of comparison.
An important point. And what was Trump’s response to the siege in Michigan? He tweeted out, “Liberate Michigan!”
So, there’s a pattern of behavior here.
Sever the gangrenous limb in order to save the patient.
Commonweal, 1-8-2021, “…Bishops reluctant to criticize Catholic websites…powerful platforms…one of them among the most visited in the ‘competitive landscape of faith and belief’ …serving up a potent mix of traditional piety and populist politics…News media don’t pay much attention to their influence either…”.
(The sites’) ” boosterish coverage of Trump’s attempt to subvert the Presidential election
should heighten alarm about them…They have their champions in the Catholic hierarchy.”
Gotta love it when another reputable source uses the world “hierarchy”! Where have we heard that before? And they’re not painting all the believers with the same brush. Curious.
I’d add comment but…
Thanks for the laugh, Greg.
I’m waiting for the impeachment to come through today.
Mitch McConnell ‘believes Trump committed impeachable offenses’ and wants him PURGED from the party. [I’d like to know what thinking made McConnell believe this was necessary to save his sorry @$$. He doesn’t do anything frivolously.]
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House urges Pence to help oust Trump
Jan 12, 2021
Associated Press
The US House on Tuesday night approved a resolution urging Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to the Constitution to remove President Donald Trump from office with a Cabinet vote. Pence has said he would not do this. (Jan. 13)
Trump is still telling his followers to attack if he gets impeached. How else can, “Be careful what you wish for.” be interpreted?
AP:
Trump emerged from his White House fortress for the first time since the riots for a trip to the wall his administration built along the Texas border. As he left Washington, he was careful to insist “we want no violence,” but denied any responsibility for the insurrection.
Once he reached the border, his remarks to a small crowd were fairly muted. In the end, he spoke for just 21 minutes and spent less than 45 minutes on the ground in what was expected to be the final trip of his presidency.
Before leaving, he offered an ominous warning to Democrats leading the charge to remove him from office: “Be careful what you wish for.”
That veiled threat came as the nation — and members of Congress — braced for the potential of more violence ahead of Biden’s inauguration. The FBI warned this week of plans for armed protests at all 50 state capitals and in Washington.
Capitol security officials made the extraordinary decision to require members of Congress to pass through metal detectors to enter the House chamber beginning on Tuesday, although some Republicans resisted the new rule.
AP:
On Tuesday, the House sergeant at arms office issued a statement saying all members and others going into the chamber must be screened for prohibited items, including firearms, and anyone failing to wear a mask on the House floor will be removed. The House was also voting to impose fines on lawmakers without face coverings.
The screening requirement comes as at least one lawmaker, freshman Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., has talked openly about carrying her firearm around town and onto the Capitol grounds, which has infuriated gun-control Democrats.
The new metal detectors outside the House chamber also galled some Republicans, some of whom uttered obscenities or ignored the devices, claiming they were impeding them from voting.
This section right here reminded me of movies where a mobster will say something innocuous but slip in there that he knows where your family lives:
“As you’re doing it—and it’s really a terrible thing that they’re doing—for Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to continue on this path, I think this is causing tremendous danger to our country, and it’s causing tremendous anger. I want no violence.”
Yeah, these people want to take your money, house, guns, eat your children and pets, enslave your wife, so fight them with all your might, but no violence. Fight them hard since your very existence depends on it but be respectful and peaceful. And now I am standing by this completely appropriate message and watch.
The attempted coup in Washington, DC, was unprecedented in American history. We demand our government commit to all processes necessary to remove Donald Trump from power immediately.
Call your members of Congress and Senators today: Dial 1-855-980-2275 to be connected to the in-state office of your representative and 1-855-982-2515 to be connected to your senators.
Thoughts by Eric Zorn, columnist for the Chicago Tribune:
Coming clean on my mistake
In my column Wednesday I wondered how President Donald Trump could possibly rate as America’s most admired man in a recent Gallup Poll when he exhibited only one of the 12 virtues listed in the famous Boy Scout Law that tells a Scout to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
“He is clean,” I wrote, thinking of Trump’s personal hygiene, which appears exemplary if only given the attention he pays to his hair. “Let’s give him that.”
Well, shortly after the column posted I was inundated with notes from current and former Scouts pointing out that my understanding of “clean” was inaccurately hollow. It’s not merely an exhortation to shower regularly and wear well-laundered clothes.
“A Scout keeps his body and mind fit,” is the organization’s official definition of “clean.” “He chooses friends who also live by high standards. He avoids profanity and pornography. He helps keep his home and community clean.”
This is an updated take on the original, 1911 formulation that read, “A Scout is clean in thought, word and deed. Decent Scouts look down upon silly youths who talk dirt, and they do not let themselves give way to temptation, either to talk it or to do anything dirty. A Scout is pure and clean-minded and manly.”
Well, all I can say is that the columnist regrets the error.
I didn’t know Donald had a channel. Duh.
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YouTube is suspending President Donald Trump’s channel
By Brian Fung, CNN Business
Updated 6:32 AM ET, Wed January 13, 2021
(CNN Business)YouTube is suspending President Donald Trump’s channel for at least one week, and potentially longer, after his channel earned a strike under the platform’s policies, the company said Tuesday evening.
A recent video on Trump’s channel had incited violence, YouTube told CNN Business. That video has now been removed.
YouTube declined to share details of the video that earned Trump the strike, but said that after the one-week timeout, it will revisit the decision. YouTube also removed content from the White House’s channel for violating policy, the company told CNN Business.
Until now, YouTube had been the only remaining major social media platform not to have suspended Trump in some fashion. Facebook has suspended Trump’s account “indefinitely,” while Twitter has banned Trump completely.
“After careful review, and in light of concerns about the ongoing potential for violence, we removed new content uploaded to the Donald J. Trump channel and issued a strike for violating our policies for inciting violence,” a YouTube spokesperson said in a statement. “As a result, in accordance with our long-standing strikes system, the channel is now prevented from uploading new videos or livestreams for a minimum of seven days—which may be extended.”
YouTube also said it will be taking the extra step of disabling comments underneath videos on Trump’s channel.
Under YouTube’s policies, earning a second strike will result in a two-week suspension and three strikes will result in a permanent ban.
Who would have thought that our nation would come to the point of requiring the military chiefs to remind troops to defend the constitution and reject extremism? I’m glad they did this but am horrified that this was necessary.
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Military Chiefs Remind Troops of Their Oath After Fallout From Assault on Capitol
The Joint Chiefs of Staff told the United States’ armed forces to defend the Constitution and reject extremism in a memo that condemned last week’s violence.
Jan. 12, 2021
WASHINGTON — The military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff sent an unusual message to the entire American armed forces on Tuesday reminding them that their job was to support and defend the Constitution, and declaring that Joseph R. Biden Jr. would soon be their next commander in chief.
“As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civil authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” said the one-page memorandum signed by the eight senior officers who serve as the Joint Chiefs.
“As service members, we must embody the values and ideals of the nation,” the memo continued. “We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values and oath; it is against the law.”
That the chiefs, led by Gen. Mark A. Milley of the Army, found it necessary to remind their rank and file of their sworn oath to the country was extraordinary. But the memo came as federal law enforcement authorities were pursuing more than 150 suspects, including current or former service members, involved in the mob that stormed the Capitol last week…
One of Trump’s “greatest achievements”:
Over 4,300 Americans Lose Lives to COVID in Just One Day
Tuesday’s record daily high raises the nation’s overall death toll from the coronavirus pandemic to at least 380,796 people.
And they are still saying, after having their lives directly threatened in their own chambers, “for healing purposes, let’s not make a big deal out of this, let’s not remove the president”. Politicians have been always known for not being able to grasp reality. Here is an occasion right from the age-old playbook.
If somebody breaks into my house, do I say to the burglar “hey, let’s have a beer and try to heal whatever problems you had growing up”?
Let me know where you live so that I can break in. I’m in occasional need of a beer and having a shoulder to cry on!
GregB, shoulders are comfy due to swimmer’s past, but I do not drink beer, sry. But perhaps I should keep some at home to make burglars feel more at home. What kind do burglars like most?
Not speaking from experience,of course,but I would guess burglars like Burglarmeister beer,but it may be hard to come by cuz they stopped making it in 1978.
Maybe you can get a couple old cans on ebay.
I was looking up a snarky response and Googled “burglar beer” and it was hilarious how many types have the word in them. This burglar prefers a crisp German pilsner, lager or alt-style. I was born very near a brewery called Bürgerbräu (citizens brewery) that has since closed down. Perhaps if it was a Bürglarbräu it might still be in business.
You can tell that Colbert is very upset over what has happened. Good for him.
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The Late Show with Stephen Colbert
While the president tries to shift blame for last week’s insurrection, the FBI and Justice Department are making it clear that the terrorists involved will face very serious federal charges. Meanwhile, lawmakers in Washington and around the country are bracing for a second wave of right-wing violence.
My feeling is, it’s not just lawmakers should brace.
Very serious charges… like entering and remaining on restricted grounds and disorderly conduct.
They are certain to spend decades in jail.
Or a couple days, at least.
Not to mention the charge of “impersonating a viking bison farmer and walking around shirtless” which carries at least 7 minutes of kneeling in the corner.
PatriotPulse:
PULSE POLL: Would you support Donald Trump if he ran again for President in 2024?
Yes 98%
No 2%
So then the coach is a goner?
The Washington Post
Alert
News Alert
Jan. 13, 11:27 a.m. EST
Airbnb to cancel inauguration reservations in the D.C. area after finding accounts tied to Capitol riot
The company said it will cancel and block all reservations during inauguration week after finding accounts for “numerous individuals who are either associated with known hate groups or otherwise involved in the criminal activity at the Capitol Building.” The company will refund guests and reimburse hosts for canceled bookings, saying it banned from the platform all people involved in last week’s insurrection.
The New Yorker has an article with the title “The Capitol Invaders Enjoyed the Privilege of Not Being Taken Seriously”. It makes several points which coincide with what people made here, but gives further enlightening examples.
It was an attack without precedent but with many reference points. During the Black Lives Matter protests this past spring, National Guard troops in combat gear stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial three lines deep. Around the same time, U.S. Park Police tear-gassed nonviolent protesters in Lafayette Square, in Washington, D.C. The Capitol Police made more arrests on each of the first three days of the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in September, 2018, than they did Wednesday. The protesters at those hearings—most of them women, many self-identified survivors of sexual assault—were arrested for transgressions such as shouting out from the gallery, “Kavanaugh can’t be trusted!” On Wednesday, the writer Sarah Schulman posted a picture on Facebook with the caption “In 1982 I disrupted Congress to protest an anti-abortion bill, was arrested on the spot with five other women, taken to jail and had an 11 day jury trial.”
In the picture, Schulman is with several other protesters. She is holding a sign that says “We demand abortion rights, end to sterilization abuse, lesbian rights, quality child care.” It looks like many photographs from decades before and since: protesters, often women, dressed appropriately for admission to the Capitol, holding signs that seek to communicate a message. Wednesday’s images are of thugs vandalizing the Capitol: the ransacked office of the Senate parliamentarian; a man sitting with his boots on a desk; another carrying a lectern; another carrying a Confederate flag; a group of white invaders chasing a Black police officer through the building.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-capitol-invaders-enjoyed-the-privilege-of-not-being-taken-seriously
National Catholic Reporter: Editorial — Editorial: Catholics need to confess their complicity in the failed coup
By NCR Editorial Staff
January 7, 2021
We say: Among those with some culpability for yesterday’s failed insurrection are more than a few leaders in our church. Catholic apologists for President Trump have blood on their hands.
There is plenty of blame to go around after yesterday’s shameful storming of the U.S. Capitol by a right-wing mob trying to stop the formal counting of the Electoral College vote for the legally elected next president of the United States.
Clearly, the current resident of the White House who for months has repeatedly and deliberately lied about nonexistent election fraud, and who, even as Confederate-flag wielding thugs strolled throughout the Capitol, is guilty of inciting violence in his morning speech on the Ellipse. Later in the day, he would express “love” for what can only be described as domestic terrorists.
And of course the more than 100 House Republicans and more than a dozen GOP senators who had planned to object to the Electoral College results yesterday — including those who later changed their minds, and, let’s be honest, pretty much every Republican except Sen. Mitt Romney — will be remembered for laying the fire that eventually burst in flames.
Even Vice President Mike Pence and almost-ex-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who tried to do the right thing by giving reasonable speeches in the morning, cannot erase the past four years of propping up Trump and contributing to the climate that fanned the frenzy.
But also among those with some culpability for yesterday’s failed insurrection are more than a few leaders in our church. Catholic apologists for Trump have blood on their hands.
Many Americans expressed shock as they watched the violent mob smash glass and scale the walls while members of Congress cowered under desks or rushed to secure bunkers.
We were not surprised.
This is the culmination of what this presidency has been about from the beginning — and some Catholics have remained silent, or worse, cheered it along, including some bishops, priests, a few sisters, right-wing Catholic media and too many people in the pro-life movement.
We’re talking to you CatholicVote.org, Attorney General William Barr and other Catholics in the Trump administration, Amy Coney Barrett, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, rogue prolifer Abby Johnson. Sadly, the list goes on.
And what about the everyday Catholics — some 50% of them — who voted for Trump this year, after four years of incompetence, racist dog whistles and assaults on democratic norms? Not all were at the “protest” in Washington, but many have supported organizations that fanned the flames. Too many Catholic voters were content to cozy up to Trump in exchange for tax breaks, or Supreme Court judges, or subsidies for Catholic schools.
Many of these folks have been shaped by right-wing Catholic media, whether rogue priests on Twitter, websites such as Church Militant or LifeSiteNews, or the Catholic media conglomerate the Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN). The latter, with its veneer of respectability, has misinformed millions of Catholics worldwide with its biased news and opinion shows. EWTN anchor Raymond Arroyo, who moonlights on Laura Ingraham’s show “The Ingraham Angle” on Fox News, where he is freed from the EWTN’s alleged respectability, deserves singling out.
It must stop. If the church is to live up to the teachings of its founder, and if it is ever to be a witness to the culture, it cannot, must not, be a part of what happened at our nation’s Capitol. There must be no white Catholic nationalism. And a pro-life movement that embraces white nationalism is not a true pro-life movement. Period…
Read more: https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/editorial-catholics-need-confess-their-complicity-failed-coup
Boo-hoo, sob, sniff!
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Trump is isolated and angry at aides for failing to defend him as he is impeached again
Jan. 13, 2021 at 8:39 p.m. CST
When Donald Trump on Wednesday became the first president ever impeached twice, he did so as a leader increasingly isolated, sullen and vengeful.
With less than seven days remaining in his presidency, Trump’s inner circle is shrinking, offices in his White House are emptying, and the president is lashing out at some of those who remain. He is angry that his allies have not mounted a more forceful defense of his incitement of the mob that stormed the Capitol last week, advisers and associates said.
Though Trump has been exceptionally furious with Vice President Pence, his relationship with lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of his most steadfast defenders, is also fracturing, according to people with knowledge of the dynamics between the men.
Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election.
As he watched impeachment quickly gain steam, Trump was upset generally that virtually nobody is defending him — including press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, economic adviser Larry Kudlow, national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, according to a senior administration official.
“The president is pretty wound up,” said the senior administration official, who, like some others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid. “No one is out there.”…
During the flight home, Graham said, he tried to calm Trump after Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), the No. 3 House GOP leader, announced she would vote to impeach….
Trump has been more concerned with other actions that could have serious consequences for his post-presidential life, according to people familiar with the president’s concerns. The developments include Twitter and other social media companies suspending his accounts, the PGA of America canceling a golf tournament at one of his properties, and Deutsche Bank announcing it would no longer finance his developments…
Other than family members, the president is mainly talking to Meadows, Scavino, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller and personnel director Johnny McEntee. Hope Hicks, counselor to the president and long one of his closest confidantes, has been checked out for some time, according to people familiar with her status.
Other than his trip to Texas, Trump’s public schedule has been empty, and he is said to be doing little these days besides watching television and fulminating with this coterie of loyalists about Republicans not defending him enough.
Several aides laid blame for the situation not only on Trump but also on Meadows, because the chief of staff indulged Trump’s delusion that the election was rigged and fed him misinformation about alleged voter fraud…
“He is the one who kept bringing kook after kook after kook in there to talk to him,” one adviser said…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-isolated-impeachment/2021/01/13/0595675a-55b6-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html
What a load of CRAP!!! MOB VIOLENCE?? ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU ARE A TERRIBLE WRITER
Melissa N: Strange, but the last time I thought about it, “Hang Pence” was not a sign of peace nor tranquility. It most likely meant “Hang Pence” since a rope to hang him with was shown.
The group ‘quietly’ asked to enter the Capitol building. /s All of those people wrote to their Congressman and received permission to enter. We ALL know that only good people with peace in their hearts brought guns to shoot Pelosi.
Melissa, if I had seen your comment sooner, I would have deleted it. I don’t post outright lies. There was a violent mob that forced their way into the US Capitol on January 6, trying to disrupt a Constitutionally mandated process. They smashed windows, attracted Capitol officers, broke down doors, and went in search of Pelosi and Pence. Had they broken in while members of Congress were in their chamber, there would have been unthinkable violence. Yes, it was a mob. Yes, it was violent. Yes, they were domestic terrorists.