Yesterday, I posted an article by an economist who wrote that schools are not super spreaders, and that the rate of transmission of COVID has been very low among students and teachers. Some readers got angry at me for posting this article. Let me be clear that I am not a scientist or a doctor. I do not know whether it is safe to reopen schools. I am as uncertain about the right course of action as many other people.
I am not qualified to offer any guidance. The decision about reopening depends on the community and expert judgment. Everyone should follow the science, wear a mask, practice social distancing both indoors and outside, and wash their hands frequently. It may be safe to reopen schools in some places but not safe in other places. What is important to know is that the COVID is surging again in many states, that the infection rate is rising nationally, and that this is a contagious and deadly disease. Be informed.
The stories below tell what happened to two teachers. They loved teaching; their students loved them. It is not clear where they became infected with the disease.
HOWARD – Even after a diagnosis of COVID-19, Heidi Hussli didn’t plan to give up teaching.
After being hospitalized last week, she told a friend she planned to teach via video the week of Sept. 14-18.
Hussli, who’d most recently taught in-person on Sept. 8, “said she would Zoom with her kids from the hospital,” the friend said via text message.
But “by Sunday, her condition worsened.”
Hussli, who’d taught German for 16 years at Bay Port High School, was unable to teach again. She died Thursday morning at a Green Bay hospital.
Family members, in a statement distributed by the Howard-Suamico School District, said the 47-year-old mother of one had recently tested positive for COVID-19.

It’s not known when Hussli, of Suamico, was infected with the coronavirus.
She’d taught classes in person Sept. 1, 2 and 8.
Hussli followed social-distancing protocols and wore a face mask while teaching, district communications director Brian Nicol said.
Hussli taught two International Baccalaureate classes, each of which had 15 to 20 students enrolled, the district said. Because Bay Port has split its student body into groups that attend on opposite days, the classes would have seven to 12 students attending in person. The remainder watched via a video feed.
She had not been in the classroom since being diagnosed and had “no close contact” with students after learning she was infected with COVID-19, district officials said.
In South Carolina, Margie Kidd, a veteran elementary school teacher, died of COVID.
Margie Kidd loved to teach.
She was good at it and had spent 26 years moulding youngsters.
But doing the thing she loved most put her at risk of contracting COVID-19, her family says, and contributed to her recent death.
Kidd, 71, died at Coastal Carolina Hospital in Hardeeville after complications from COVID-19 on Sept. 28, first reported in-depth by the Jasper County Sun Times.
She was born in the Harlem neighborhood of New York City, and spent the beginning of her life in the city. After she married Frank, the couple moved in 1972 to Bluffton, where they lived for more than 30 years.
She earned her teaching degree in Savannah and then began her more than two-decade career at Ridgeland Elementary School, first working with kindergartners and later moving to first grade.
Kidd’s daughter, Essa Jackson, told multiple news outlets that her mother, who was active and healthy, was nervous about going back to school in person with so many COVID-19 cases in the area. She said her mother wore a face shield, mask and gloves wherever she went.
In August, Jasper County teachers returned to school to conduct state-mandated, face-to-face assessment activities and instruction for preschool through eighth-grade students. It was the first time students had returned to the school since the pandemic began in March.
Kidd was initially released from the hospital despite testing positive for COVID-19, but soon after was readmitted after calling an ambulance because she had trouble breathing. She was eventually put on a ventilator for 21 days until her death.
“My family believes that being in the school building during the pandemic did have something to do with her getting sick,” Jackson told the Jasper County Sun Times. “She was very afraid of going back to work and catching COVID-19, but she felt like she didn’t have a choice because she needed to work to pay her bills because my father was just getting over having colon cancer and heart surgery this summer, so she was the only one working.”
The Jasper County School District released a statement about Kidd’s death.
“We lost a most beloved member of our school district family,” it said. “She served the people of Jasper County as a professional educator for 26 years. Our deepest sympathies go out to her family, friends and co-workers at RES.”
The district is providing grief counselors for Kidd’s coworkers and students.
As of Oct. 5, more than 1,000 confirmed COVID-19 infections were associated with schools across the state, the S.C. Department of Health and Environmental Control reported. There were 741 among students and 301 among staff.
In the Jasper County School District, fewer than five COVID-19 cases have been confirmed among faculty and staff at both Ridgeland Elementary School and Ridgeland-Hardeeville High School, according to DHEC.
Two private schools in the county, John Paul II Catholic School and Thomas Heyward Academy, have reported fewer than five positive cases among students at each school.
None of the cases within the Jasper County schools was confirmed within the last 30 days, according to DHEC data.
People are much more than a data point. Statisticians can quote all the likely scenarios and risk factors they please. However, if your loved dies from this disease, it is a 100% loss to you and your family. One of the factors that makes this disease so frightening is the extreme variability of how it hits some individuals. We can make generalizations about preexisting conditions and the age of those that have contracted the virus, but some people defy the statistics either positively or negatively. We don’t know why. So many Americans are losing employer based health care in the midst of a pandemic. The Supreme Court may eliminate the ACA in November as well. It is clear that Americans need affordable, reliable health care that they can count on now more than ever.
Yes, teachers are becoming infected and dying.
We don’t have enough information about teachers contracting COVID-19 and dying.
There is spotty information. You would think there would be up to date information about teachers contracting COVID-19 and dying.
But this is not the “Dump way.” All Dump does is sow confusion, his MO.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/coronavirus-teacher-deaths-fall/
As an aside, Susan Polis has a film out on PBS CALLED “Love Wins Over Hate.” It’s good. Reveals how hate is developed.
You would think there would be up to date information about teachers contracting COVID-19 and dying.”
Only in a society with respect for science based decisions.
Unfortunately, we no longer live in such a society.
In the US today, cranks rule and cranks do the “analysis” upon which the decisions are based.
Can’t let the information get out. When information GETS OUT, the DUMP is TOAST.
One thing we know for sure neither of these dedicated teachers got the type of medical care that Trump received. In fact, they likely paid more in taxes than Donald Trump. Nobody went out on a limb to get them access to regeneron.
TRUE. TRUE, TRUE, retired teacher.
Dump grabs everything he can get, even women’s privates. He’s disgusting to the MAX.
Can’t imagine using the same utensils he uses to eat.
BTW, Susan Polis’ film “Love Wins Over Hate” is really good. Shows how people “GET INTO” HATE, how this happened, and more.
Yvonne,
You might look at the data set Emily Oster’s team is constructing. She is getting the information from local school districts and aggregating it on this public dashboard: https://statsiq.co1.qualtrics.com/public-dashboard/v0/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839#/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839?pageId=Page_1ac6a6bc-92b6-423e-9f7a-259a18648318
This is a voluntary effort to collect up to date information about all aspects of COVID-19 and K-12 education. Perhaps the superintendents, principals, and teachers who read this blog would like to contribute to the efforts. They can using links on the dashboard.
Hit it
C’mon, ev’rybody’s talking about
Test scores, arrest scores, infest scores and guessed scores
Fall guys and bad guys and small fries and Popeyes and bye-bye, bye-byes
All we are saying is give science a chance
All we are saying is give science a chance
TE would not know science if it hit him in the head with an apple.
Left Coast Teacher,
Giving science a chance is why I posted the link to the data set.
If posters here want to give science a chance, they can find other comprehensive data sets that perhaps lead to different conclusions about the positivity rate in schools or use the data analysis tools in the dashboard to do their own analysis. Either would be helpful in moving the discussion forward.
There are significant problems with Oster’s data set – not the least of which is that it shows the opposite of what she is claiming. Her data documents an incidence rate of 16 new daily cases per 100k school students & staff in her study. According to CDC guidelines, this incidence rate places these school communities in the highest-risk category. Moreover, the broader data she links to also does not support her claims.
I wrote a series of posts detailing the problems with her argument here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1315326129566289930.html
TEs main problem is that he’s actually dumb enough to believe his own bullshit.
Ha ha ha.
Jen,
One of the more interesting comparisons Emily Oster does is to compare staff infection rates for 1) schools that have staff in the building but students remote to 2) schools that have both staff and students in the building. The staff infection rate is similar in the two different schools, suggesting that staff infections predominantly come from exposure to each other or community exposure, not from the students being in the building.
This result is independent of any testing bias unless you believe that staff who are infected by exposure to students are less likely to have symptoms (and thus less likely to be tested) than staff who are infected by exposure to other staff members or community exposure. This seems unlikely to me.
Jen
One of the more interesting things that Emily Oster has done is to claim that consumption of a glass of wine a day by a pregnant mother has no impact on the cognitive development of her baby.
Click to access astley-oster2013.pdf
Oster was so certain of her “analysis” that she felt compelled to tell pregnant mothers about her exciting discovery in a book for (you guessed it) pregnant mothers.
After all, why would you tell a pregnant mother something that contradicts what the US Surgeon General says and that can have quite dire ramifications unless you were absolutely certain?
Whatever else is true, I think we can confidently say that confidence about her own “analysis” of things outside her area of expertise (epidemiology) is not lacking in Oster.
Nor in Teachingeconomissed, for that matter.
Hmm, I wonder if there is some commonality there. Maybe I should do a study — If Teachingeconomissed would be so kind to provide the papers he has written…
Not incidentally, as Nobel physicist Richard Feynman once pointed out, one can never be absolutely certain about anything and science is ALL about handling that doubt and uncertainty.
Anyone who does not understand that knows nothing about science.
Also not incidentally, giving up alcohol consumption entirely for the nine month duration of a pregnancy is not a particularly great sacrifice for the pregnant mother (and might actually have health benefits for the mother herself)
So, why would anyone suggest to a pregnant mother that drinking even a single glass of wine a day is OK when the possible ramifications of being wrong might be quite severe and last the lifetime of the child?
TE is the resident stable genius here. Perhaps he would like to explain the point of that.
The only point that comes to my mind is to sell books, but, of course, I’m sure that never crossed Oster’s mind.
Finally, Oster sold 100,000 of her books on pregnancy.
How many of the pregnant mothers who read the book ignored the Surgeon General’s warning as a result?
“We do not know what, if any, amount of alcohol is safe. But we do know that the risk of a baby being born with any of the fetal alcohol spectrum disorders increases with the amount of alcohol a pregnant woman drinks, as does the likely severity of the condition. And when a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her baby. Therefore, it’s in the child’s best interest for a pregnant woman to simply not drink alcohol.”
U.S. Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona, 2005
Carmona is a scientist. He understands uncertainty and also understands how that uncertainty should be used to make informed decisions to minimize risk.
All Dump does is sow confusion, his MO.
Well said, Yvonne!
1,000 school-related cases in one state. I suppose that economist is okay with that. Kids get infected. Kids spread disease. Why are people pushing to open schools when the virus is surging?
Because keeping them closed is also costly in terms of student well being.
TE just can’t admit that his own field is rife with people who could not do a legitimate analysis if their very life depended on it.
Of course, many of them don’t give a damn if OUR lives depend on their flawed and or dishonest ” analyses” (and I use the term extremely loosely)
One objective for opening schools is so that parents will be able to return to work. If the wheels of the economy churn out great numbers for the orange menace, we may get four more years of the lying, cheating con artist that can boast and brag about his numbers.
Students want to return to schools, and for most of them, particularly poor students, it is the best place for them to be. There are no easy answers. Everyone must weigh the risk versus the reward and decide accordingly. It would help if teachers had confidence in their district’s return plans. Some districts are doing very little to protect teachers while others have money to buy PPE and reduce student volume at any given time.
As one of the readers who disagreed with the Atlantic article, I can say with full confidence that no one was upset that you posted the article. Some posts provoke debate, and if we’re not always on the same side of every debate, it’s only evidence that no one here, including you, is getting paid to agree with anything. That is a very good thing. The testing and privatization industries can keep their brainless lobbyists and consultants to themselves.
One of the things it does is allow people to “illuminate” the “analytical capabilities” of people like Emily Oster and allow others to decide for themselves whether such self styled “experts” are reliable sources of “analysis” .
In Oster’s case, I’d have to say it’s a resounding “no!” (“Yikes”, even)
Click to access astley-oster2013.pdf
Thank you, LCT. I usually post things I like and agree with, but not always. Discussion is good. We learn from it. I do. I don’t know what’s the right thing to do. My youngest grandchild—a delightful chatterbox—just started in-person instruction 2 days one week, 3 days the next week. He is very happy and his parents are ecstatic.
I think the lesson from this post and the earlier one is this.
Do not trust ECONOMISTS who pontificate about totally inadequate data as if no other judgments were valid.
I would shorten that to “Do not trust economists”
No qualifying statement is necessary.
15 times out of 10 they are not even right on matters regarding their own field, to say nothing of matters pertaining to fields outside their area of expertise like Epidemiology, statistics and education.
And the ivy league economists seem to be the absolute worst in that regard, suffering from the most extreme cases of Dunning-Krugeritis.
Perfect examples are Harvard economists Rheinhart and Rogoff who can’t do basic spreadsheet analysis, Harvard Economist Raj Chetty who doesn’t understand very basic (high school) statistics (eg, statistical significance) but nonetheless believes he deserves a (fake) “Nobel Prize in economics ” (which does not actually exist) based on his fatally flawed VAM based effective teachers study and of course, Brown Economist Emily Oster, who believes that it’s ok for pregnant mother’s to drink alcohol as long as it’s restricted to one glass of wine per day (see above link)
The list is long, and dark and deep, but I have promises to keep, and comments to post before I sleep, and comments to post before I sleep.
One of the areas outside their own that economists weigh in on is climate science. Not just the economics of climate change mitigation, mind you, but the actual science of climate.
University of Chicago economist Steve Levitt got taken to the cleaners by climate scientist Ray Pierrehumbert awhile back for writing a chapter that was supposed to be on climate change in his Superfreakonomics book that was actually filled with BS.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/an-open-letter-to-steve-levitt/
For some very odd reason, economists think it is fine and dandy to weigh in on things they know next to nothing about.
If they were not so utterly ignorant, they would actually be embarrassed to produce the sort of crap they do on a regular basis.
The gist of climate scientist Ray Pierrehumbert’s takedown of economist Steve Levitt’s “malpractice” in the Open Letter to Steve Levitt linked above
Pierrehumbert:
“The point here is that really simple arithmetic, which you could not be bothered to do, would have been enough to tell you that the claim that the blackness of solar cells makes solar energy pointless is complete and utter nonsense. I don’t think you would have accepted such laziness and sloppiness in a term paper from one of your students, so why do you accept it from yourself? What does the failure to do such basic thinking with numbers say about the extent to which anything you write can be trusted? How do you think it reflects on the profession of economics when a member of that profession — somebody who that profession seems to esteem highly — publicly and noisily shows that he cannot be bothered to do simple arithmetic and elementary background reading? Not even for a subject of such paramount importance as global warming.
And it’s not as if the “black solar cell” gaffe was the only bit of academic malpractice in your book: among other things, the presentation of aerosol geoengineering as a harmless and cheap quick fix for global warming ignored a great deal of accessible and readily available material on the severe risks involved..”
And Ray Pierrehumbert’s critique of economist Steve Levitt’s pontificating on climate science applies just as well to Emily Oster’s pontificating on epidemiological subjects and to the pontifications of Raj Chetty, John Friedman and other economists on matters in the field of education.
It’s not just that many economists are ignorant of the subjects that they weigh in on (and actually write policy for), but they seem to take the attitude that it doesn’t matter not to know anything about what they are weighing in on. And some actually seem to believe that ignorance of the subject is actually advantageous — as if being ignorant somehow removes all bias. It’s just an absurd philosophy and could not possibly be more UNscientific.
Laura,
Hopefully you can get your school district to contribute to Emily Oster’s data project.
Laura
Given Oster’s past botched efforts at epidemiological data analysis, one can only hope your school district will instead give data to an epidemiologist , which Oster is not.
Click to access astley-oster2013.pdf
Click to access astley-oster2013.pdf
I vehemently disagreed with Dr. Oster. However, it don’t think it possible for me to get angry at or with Diane Ravitch, and I welcomed the opportunity to comment on Oster’s article, which I thought premature and dangerous. One important service that Diane provides, among many, is to give us a forum for informed discussion and debate, and that’s how I saw the posting of the article by Oster. On quite rare occasions, I might disagree with Diane herself about something, but I’m hard pressed to remember one. She’s one of those people for whom I feel nothing but admiration and gratitude.
I am with you, Bob.
I agree, “She’s (Diane) one of those people for whom I feel nothing but admiration and gratitude.”
Thank you, Diane.
Thank you, Yvonne!
And Diane has influenced me. A confession: I used to be on the Dark Side with regard to charter schools. I hated the bureaucracies in big school districts and their tendency toward stultifying micromanagement. I saw charters as a way for people to introduce innovations that have become increasingly difficult to introduce into traditional schools as building-level teachers and department chair people have lost their autonomy to district, state, and federal mandates. Well, Diane’s marshaling of strong evidence and augments convinced me to think otherwise. The case she has made against charters is simply overwhelming.
Early charters were supposed to be operated by local visionaries that could cut through bureaucracies and herald in innovative educational practices. They were supposed to collaborate with local school districts. Once Wall St understood that privatization equals lots of “free,” unaccountable money, well, the rest is history. Once billionaires realized privatization could provide them with more streams of unaccountable cash while they simultaneously crippled public schools and destroyed unions, well, the rest is history. Let’s not forget charters spawned their evil privatizing twin, vouchers. Privatization of education is a profiteering cesspool and racist as its core.
Well said, retired teacher!
cx: at its core.
Thanks for your candor, Bob. I for one greatly appreciate it.
I am just grateful to Diane for following the evidence and sharing it. It is, as I say, overwhelming–so many scams, so much diversion of funding from public schools. What a disaster. Diane was right, and I was dead wrong.
Oh, I am glad for her voice of sanity and reason here, too, Bob. For the most part I find discussions of ed policy issues infuriating: mostly, they are held by people who, if they spent any time at all in a classroom, it was vanishingly little. Yet these same people propose to make big decisions about how to teach–something they know little or nothing about. Here–Diane Ravitch’s blog–is just the opposite: people here know what they’re talking about, and do so with verve, humor, and intellect. Do I have a right to expect anything more?
My sentiments, exactly, Mark. It’s wonderful to hear teachers’ voices here rather than those of paid pundits working for oligarchical deformers.
Laura,
Given Oster’s past (failed) efforts at epidemiological data analysis, one can only hope your school district will give data to an epidemiologist , which Oster is not.
Click to access astley-oster2013.pdf
Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Education.
I wonder how many adults in education will die before it becomes something to notice?
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Any chance that Trump will self-destruct? He is still sick since neither he nor his doctor has said he has tested negative.
I wonder why he wasn’t treated by Hydroxychloroquine or, better yet, a disinfectant? I’d LOVE for him to be treated with lysol disinfectant toilet bowl cleaner. One good turd deserves a thorough cleaning as much as another.
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Axios:
President Trump has asked his campaign to put him on the road every single day from now until Nov. 3.
But not everyone thinks this is a good idea. One adviser said, “He’s going to kill himself.”
President Trump’s schedule:
Monday: Trump will speak at a rally in Sanford, Florida.
Tuesday: Trump will speak at a rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.
Wednesday: Trump will speak at a rally in Des Moines, Iowa.
Another Stephen-Miller inspired dog whistle? Sanford is the place where Treyvon Martin was murdered.
Our safety?
Get real.
Rest assured no one here is threatened by any of the stupid stuff you post here.
Your belief that they are is just bizarre.
Everyone can see through your BS, which makes it absolutely hilarious that you continue to post with the belief that anyone actually takes you seriously.
Sorry, Bob
That was a reply to TE, not you.😀
Whoops! I spoke too soon–in the earlier post, I expressed surprise that T.E. had not responded.
How silly of me!!
If one of TEs many ignorant colleagues (forgive the redumbdancy) claims a result that supports one of TEs own preconceived notions regarding teachers or schools, you can be sure TE will make an appearance.
Retired,
Dr. Ravitch reviews each of my posts in order to insure your and other readers safety. When and whether they appear are at her discretion, not mine.
Our safety?
Get real.
Rest assured no one here is threatened by any of the stupid stuff you post here.
Your belief that they are is just bizarre.
Everyone can see through your BS, which makes it absolutely hilarious that you continue to post with the belief that anyone actually takes you seriously.
A good example of the Dunning Kruger effect in action
OT: Happy National Coming Out Day, October 11. ❗😁
Absolutely, Eddie!
Also, apparently, it45 is an epidemiologist, too–it’s declared himself cured, immune…well,
it ID a Divine Being…NOT!
Also–did you all read that they expect to hold the 3rd debate IN PERSON in Nashville
(October 22nd, I believe)? Would someone please start a petition (NOT on Change.org–still don’t trust them)m, asking–no, TELLING, DEMANDING that Joe Biden NOT debate it45 in person. EXTREMELY dangerous.
it45 would LOVE to infect Joe. Not to mention all the it family, etc., coming into the debate audience, removing their masks.
Would anyone be surprised to learn that Dense tested positive?
(I’m just asking: he didn’t, insofar as I know, but will any of us really ever know?)
Senator Bernie Sanders:
All of you are aware that Donald Trump has tested positive for COVID-19.
He got sick, he went to the hospital, and there are estimates that the cost of the care he got while he was there could be as high as $100,000.
Yet Donald Trump – a man who paid $750 in taxes last year, and who year after year has paid nothing in taxes – didn’t have to take out his wallet or his credit card. That care was provided to him for free.
Now I don’t begrudge Trump for the care that he got, but I am outraged that we have 90 million people in this country who have no health insurance or are under-insured. And we’ve got even more people who have to pay out of pocket whenever they go to a doctor or a hospital.
So if health care for Donald Trump does not require any out-of-pocket expenses or any deductible, it is time that we do the same for ALL Americans.
That is why today I am asking for your help to make it clear that health care is a right, not a privilege. We need Medicare for All.
Trump’s experience should make it clear that the United States has got to join every other major country on earth and grant health care to all of our people as a basic human right through a Medicare for All, single-payer program. No premiums, no co-payments, no deductibles, no out-of-pocket expenses.
I also want to add that almost every day Donald Trump is busy attacking “socialism!” Oh my god, he hates government-run facilities.
Hey, Mr. President, guess what? The Walter Reed Hospital that you were at, where you claimed you got excellent, high-quality health care, that is a 100% government-funded, government-run, and dare I say, “socialist” facility.
So, the bottom line here is that Trump’s experience with COVID-19 tells me, and I hope it tells every American, that ALL of us are entitled to health care as a human right. Health care is not a privilege, or a benefit that should be determined by our employment status. It is a basic human right. People should not be going bankrupt in order to get the health care that they need.
I should also mention that if Democrats regain a majority in the Senate, I will serve as chair of the Subcommittee on Health. And you can be sure that the health care industry and the pharmaceutical companies will understand a very different reality once that happens.
We are going to take them on. We are going to end their greed. And we are going to end the international embarrassment that we are the only major country not to provide health care to all of its people.
Let’s send a powerful message today that we are committed to guaranteeing health care as a right for all.
It is totally absurd that during a pandemic and the worst health and economic crisis of our lifetimes, millions of Americans are losing their health insurance. We are the only major country on earth that ties health care to employment. That irrational and dangerous policy has got to end. The time is long overdue for us to understand that health care is a human right, not an employee benefit.
Thank you for joining me today in calling for Medicare for All.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
School should be Virtual!
OT: Happy National Coming Out Day! ❗🙂
I certainly hope I’m not upsetting anyone calling for school to remain online until it’s extremely safe to reopen. I know everyone is hurting to go back to school. I am too. What I believe we need to fight for is a full return to school when scientists say it’s safe to do so. I know that Bill Gates and the rest of the tech industry are trying to leverage this crisis to force permanent online instruction. Since the totally online version is so widely reviled in the days of the pandemic, they must be going for the blended models. I am fearful of hybrid schooling. If we go back partially, while COVID-19 still rages, we risk making hybrid models the new normal. We are hurting now; we’ll be hurting even more in the future if we never get back to having all students in brick and mortar classrooms all the time.
There is no doubt that the hybrid model will cost teaching jobs. What about evidence? Is there any honest evidence to support adoption of the hybrid model?
retired teacher: “Is there any honest evidence to support adoption of the hybrid model?”
It’s CHEAP and tech companies and publishers will make money. Do we need any other reasons? Politicians go for anything that is CHEAP. Corporations need money, not public schools.
It is so sad to hear about teachers that have died from COVID-19. I just want to let there family and friends know that I’m praying for them during this time of need. Given educators don’t get the respect nor compensation they deserve anymore, it just shows how much more they had to endure in there lifetimes. I’m sure they made a significant impact on those around them even if they didn’t know it at the time. Thank you for keeping us informed.
This cartoon was in moderation and now has disappeared. [Hope it doesn’t come twice.] I think it shows exactly what is happening. Trump is getting top notch care and is hiding it from the country. He still is ill but won’t recognize it.
Mary Trump, his niece said, “worst-case scenario” would be if her uncle Donald Trump “emerges relatively unscathed” from COVID-19. “He’s not going to take it seriously.”
How many teachers will die before it is recognized as important?
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Indiana:
As of Sunday, more than 900 schools statewide have reported almost 2,000 coronavirus cases among students and 853 cases among teachers and staff.
I’m tired of Trump’s ongoing lies. Maybe he will self-destruct trying to prove how healthy he is.
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AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s shaky claims on virus, Dem misfires
WASHINGTON (AP) — Impatient to return to the campaign trail, President Donald Trump dubiously claimed he’s fully recovered and immune from COVID-19, hailed a cure that isn’t so and declared the coronavirus is “disappearing” even as cases spiked…
CORONAVIRUS
TRUMP: “I’m immune … It could be a lifetime.” — interview Sunday on Fox News.
TRUMP: “A total and complete sign off from White House Doctors yesterday. That means I can’t get it (immune), and can’t give it.” — tweet Sunday.
THE FACTS: That’s far from certain, and Twitter later flagged his tweet with a fact-check warning.
Some medical experts have been skeptical that Trump could be declared free of the risk of transmitting the virus so early in the course of his illness. Nor can he be completely assured of immunity following his illness…
TRUMP, on the pandemic: “It’s going to disappear; it is disappearing.” — remarks Saturday.
THE FACTS: There is no sign the virus is “disappearing,” or “rounding a corner” as he sometimes puts it, despite Trump’s repeated assertions since first making the claim in February, over 214,000 deaths ago. And it’s certainly not what his top health advisers say…
TRUMP, on the experimental antibodies he was administered: “We have a cure. … I can tell you, it’s a cure and I’m talking to you today because of it.” — speaking to Rush Limbaugh’s radio show by phone Friday.
THE FACTS: We don’t have a cure. His statement is premature at best and may raise false hope. And his present condition cannot be pinned on a particular medicine in the combination of drugs he has been given…
Trump was among fewer than 10 people who were able to access the Regeneron Pharmaceuticals drug without having to enroll in a study. Eli Lilly and Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc. are both asking the U.S. government to allow emergency use of their antibody drugs, which aim to help the immune system clear the virus.
Trump has routinely made too much of promising developments in the pandemic and given weight to bogus theories about how to prevent and treat the disease while dismissing the importance of true preventives such as wearing a mask and staying away from groups of people…
TRUMP: “Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!” — tweet Tuesday.
THE FACTS: He’s contradicting science and himself.
First, he’s overstating the U.S. death toll from the seasonal flu. The flu has killed 12,000 to 61,000 Americans annually since 2010, not 100,000, a benchmark rarely reached in U.S. history. More than 214,000 Americans have died of COVID-19…
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-campaigns-global-trade-879ab35877ba3d3b5f43435ba7b2d568
This is off topic, but of concern. Even international election observers are expressing concern about what might happen during our presidential election.
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CNN:
Ory Okolloh-Mwangi, a Kenyan political commentator and investment professional who is one of several international election observers to express concern about the volatile political environment leading up to the US presidential election.
Well, Ory Okolloh-Mwangi was born in Kenya and the birth certificate probably exists to prove it.😀
Kenya treats Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgenders horribly. ☹️
Eddie: That is so sad.
When I first came to work in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia in 1996 the Prime Minister said that homosexuality was a Western problem and that it didn’t exist in Malaysia. Think of how hidden gays, lesbians, trans and bisexual people had to be.
I have a Chinese girlfriend who told me that gay people choose to be that way.
LGBT rights in Malaysia
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons in Malaysia face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Sodomy is a crime in the country, with laws strictly enforced, and social attitudes towards the LGBT community are shaped by Islam, the official state religion of Malaysia.
Human Rights Watch states that “Discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people is pervasive in Malaysia.”
carolmalaysia, it’s sad. ☹️ Nigeria is worse with villagers punching and police caning Gays and Lesbians, who are paraded around villages nude. ☹️
Kenya ranks very high on the Corruption perceptions index (139th out of 176 countries tied with Azerbaijan, Nepal, Nigeria, and Pakistan, so if an election observer from Kenya is concerned about the US election, it’s worth taking note
I wish CNN had a link to all of its articles. it isn’t just Kenya that is concerned about our election.
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Johannesburg (CNN)2020 is the year where the unlikely, even the unthinkable, can happen.
And election observers, organizers and commentators in Africa, Europe and the US fear that there are significant warning signs for the upcoming US elections.
With a pandemic shifting the nature of balloting and US President Trump and his surrogates relentlessly prejudging the result, questioning the fairness of the polls without evidence and rallying his hardcore base, they worry that a protracted poll could lead to a constitutional crisis and even violence.
South Africa probably has corrupt elections. South Africa mistreats Nigerians and Whites. Winnie Mandela supported necklacing to ANC traitors. ☹️
Jimmy Carter has acted as an election observer in many countries.
But of course, if he did it here, he would be accused of bias.
We’re doomed.
Jimmy Carter is a much nicer person. 😁
Sad news indeed. I made a decision a couple of weeks ago to live on my savings rather than return to a live classroom. I continue to interview for jobs–even in New York, where I remain much in demand, to my surprise–but my insistence on teaching remotely is a deal breaker.
At least I’ll live to teach another day.
I am so sorry that teachers like you are being presented with such an ultimatum.
I suspect that you are not alone.
Unfortunately, decisions are being made by economists, politicians and other nitwits.
Not sure what the answer is.
Thanks SomeDAM: in some respects, it’s a blessing in disguise. I’ve had a couple of pretty rough years, first in a dismal school in Springfield, Massachusetts, then, last year, here in Bennington, Vermont. I’m blogging a lot, reading some good books, and figuring out what comes next–which may, in the long run, be a return to work in New York City.
Vermont?
It actually surprises me that you are being presented with such an ultimatum up there.
I was in Vermont for about six months until just a few weeks ago and I thought they were taking a very smart (aggressive) approach to containing the virus.
You are not alone. I have also left my job. I didn’t feel I had a choice when I learned that my district was increasing class sizes to 31, quarantining students in a classroom all day except for a 14 minute recess and 20 minute lunch. Students are sitting in desks all day facing forward, 2 1/2 feet apart, wearing masks. Interestingly, no parents or visitors are allowed in the building. To follow-up, the superintendant came to our building to commend the staff on the start to school, and then mentioned the budget was tight and RIFs are likely down the line. Knowing you are replaceable is one thing. I am not expendable. My heart goes out to the families of the teachers listed above.
Laura Mitchell: I wish you well. 🌺
Fortunately I am retired. If I were teaching now, because of my past of having poor salaries, I’d have to continue. I remember always being out of money by the time school started…when I worked in the States.
It is sad that teachers are supposed to put their lives and the lives of their families in danger. How many teachers had to get their wills in order before school started?
You have 31 in a classroom and because of lack of funding, even more cutting will take place. This is an impossible situation.
Indiana just had its 3rd highest day of infections since the pandemic started. What in the world are teachers in this state now doing when before the pandemic, many had to work 2-3 jobs to survive?
Numbers, any numbers whatsoever, are “data” and so can’t be wrong.
Any conclusions drawn from any numbers is analysis and also can’t be wrong.
Numbers are particularly trustworthy if they appear on a dashboard. This is all very technical. You wouldn’t understand, but trust me on this.
OK. I recognize that this is all very technical, so let me clarify with an example. If you don’t test any kids for Covid-19, then almost none of them have it. And if you don’t identify positive kids and so don’t do any contact tracing, they don’t spread the disease. See?
Science.
Bob Shepherd: Are you sure you didn’t attend Trump University and graduates with honors? The truths of “Up is down” and “backwards is frontwards”, “high is low” and ‘eggs are much better than sausage” always results in, “You certainly are a genius with numbers.”.
No, I have a Ph.D. in Numerology from the Steve Mnuchin School of Economics and Fiscal Policy.
Please ignore the fact that there were 335,009 new cases of Covid-19 identified and reported in the US in the last seven days.
You see, Carol, these 300K people failed to heed the advice of Dear Leader Who Shines More Orange than the Sun and “let the Covid dominate them.”
The Dashboard
The data can’t be wrong
Appearing on my dash
Odometer reads “so long”
And engine light “it’s trash”
And temp gauge reads one million
And oil “Three in One”
And trip gauge reads “1 billion —
But only just begun”
Who says that children don’t pass on COVID-19?
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Chicago Tribune
OCTOBER 12, 2020
DON’T MISS
CDC: Teen gave COVID-19 to 11 relatives across 4 states, including Illinois, during a family vacation. Case is a cautionary tale as holidays approach, experts say.
A COVID-19 outbreak that infected 11 people across four states ― including Illinois ― began with a 13-year-old girl who transmitted the virus during a three-week family vacation over the summer, according to a Centers for Disease Control report.
The only people who claim that are crackpots.
Studies have shown that children (even asymptomatic ones) can actually carry a much higher viral load than adults
Study found extremely high levels of SARS-CoV-2 in children’s airways
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/looking-at-children-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/
And the risk of infection is directly related to the viral load to which someone is exposed (from droplets from a sneeze, or even close proximity while talking to an infected person).
So, the idea that infected children are not likely to spread the virus makes absolutely no logical sense.
Not only do children carry a much higher viral load, but they are undoubtedly less careful about covering their mouth and nose when sneezing and less careful about mask wearing and social distancing than most adults.
So, it’s hard to see what the magical reason could be for children not being significant virus spreaders , as some have claimed.
There are so many bullshit claims being made (even by people in places of influence who should know better) that it’s almost impossible to keep ahead of them all.
Gov. Holcomb [R-IN] is up for re-election. He has put the state on Stage 5, meaning everything is back to normal except for wearing a mask.
Tuesday, October 13, 2020 1:00 am
1,581 more Hoosiers reported to have virus
The number of newly diagnosed Hoosiers stood at 1,581 – the third-highest single day since the beginning of the pandemic….
Other key indicators of the state’s epidemic also are increasing. According to the Regenstrief Institute, which tracks Indiana statistics regarding cases and the impact on hospitals, the percentage of positive tests, emergency room visits and admissions to intensive care units are all on the increase statewide. The only measure decreasing is deaths…
https://journalgazette.net/news/local/20201013/1581-more-hoosiers-reported-to-have-virus
I am SICK of Trump. “No country in the world has recovered the way we have recovered.”
Does this phucking IDIOT realize that 215,000 Americans have died because of his inability to provide leadership? Has he really tested negative or is Conley being told what to say?
I hope Trump burns himself out. If there is ever a vaccine, Trump had nothing to do with it.
Defiant Trump defends virus record in 1st post-COVID rally
SANFORD, Florida (AP) — Defiant as ever about the coronavirus, President Donald Trump on Monday turned his first campaign rally since contracting COVID-19 into a full-throated defense of his handling of the pandemic that has killed 215,000 Americans, joking that he was healthy enough to plunge into the crowd and give voters “a big fat kiss.”
There was no social distancing and mask-wearing was spotty among the thousands who came to see Trump’s return to Florida. He held forth for an hour, trying to get his struggling campaign back on track with just weeks left before Election Day…
Though he was hospitalized battling the virus only a week ago, Trump’s message on COVID-19 was unaltered since his diagnosis: a dubious assessment that the pandemic was just about a thing of the past. Hundreds of people in the U.S. continue to die of the virus every day.
“Under my leadership, we’re delivering a safe vaccine and a rapid recovery like no one can even believe,” Trump insisted. “If you look at our upward path, no country in the world has recovered the way we have recovered.”…
After Air Force One lifted off from Joint Base Andrews, the president’s doctor released an update on his health that said Trump had tested negative for the virus — and had done so on consecutive days. His doctor, Navy Cmdr. Scott Conley, said the tests, taking in conjunction with other data, including viral load, have led him to conclude that Trump was not contagious….
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-donald-trump-sanford-health-42f306cf95d0a7337b818f89770cf539
This was put out by Whole Health Chicago:
…the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) published an editorial entitled “Dying In A Leadership Vacuum” that asks Americans to work together to vote out Donald Trump because of his dreadful mismanagement of Covid-19 and the subsequent deaths of more than 220,000 Americans.
To call the editorial scathing would be putting it mildly.
If you don’t have time for the entire piece, please read this closing section:
Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.
Trump is mocking people who wear masks.
Axios:
President Trump threw face masks into a largely maskless crowd as he arrived for a rally at Florida’s Orlando Sanford International Airport for his first rally in the 11 days since he announced his positive coronavirus diagnosis.
One of President Trump’s most loyal Senate allies (the No. 1 senator on our Trump Loyalty Index) says it’s a sign of “respect” from the president to not push for nationwide face mask adoption.
Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) told Jim VandeHei in Bismarck for “Axios on HBO”: “Trump’s default position is generally for individual responsibility and individual outcomes. And so while he’s said, ‘It’s up to you,’ that’s a respect.”
Cramer told VandeHei that he doubted a mandate would have stuck.
“I know there are a lotta people that, if he created a mask mandate, wouldn’t have worn a mask.”
The bottom line: Many Trump supporters follow the president’s cue, and the president could have spent time pushing people to wear masks.
NYT:
Mr. Trump’s arrival in Florida took place only hours after the White House physician, Dr. Sean P. Conley, said the president had tested negative “on consecutive days” using a rapid coronavirus test not intended for that purpose.
Experts cautioned that the test’s accuracy has not yet been investigated enough to be sure that the president is virus-free or, as his doctor claimed, “not infectious to others.”
What? Trump offered to give everyone in the crowd in Sanford, Florida, a big fat kiss!
JAN.21 st. … SAVE THE DATE!!
SAY, GOOD BYE TO
“DON THE CON” !!
This is what Trump’s lunacy is encouraging. What will happen if he loses the election? He’s already screaming fraud at mail-in ballots.
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The New York Times
BREAKING NEWS
Virginia’s governor was discussed as a target by members of the same group charged in a plot to abduct the governor of Michigan, the F.B.I. said.
Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:16 PM EST
During a hearing, Special Agent Richard J. Trask II of the F.B.I. said that Gov. Ralph Northam of Virginia and other officials were targeted because of their aggressive lockdown orders to restrict the spread of the coronavirus.
Trump will have from November 4 to January 21 to wreak havoc.
Noam Chomsky says, “In general, no stone is left unturned in Trump’s campaign to dismantle democratic forms and hold on to power.”
It’s amazing that so many people think he is doing a great job. I hold the far R media responsible for its outright lies and continuous coverups. Why else would Trump watch Fox to get his ‘news briefings’? Trump is a threat to this country and to the whole world. He has too much power, is ignorant and doesn’t learn.
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Noam Chomsky: Trump Is Willing to Dismantle Democracy to Hold On to Power
The fact that Trump’s coup threat is even being discussed shows how effectively he has undermined formal democracy.
Noam Chomsky: The “law and order” appeal is normal, virtually reflexive. Trump’s threat to refuse to accept the result of the election is not. It is something new in stable parliamentary democracies…
Trump’s threats are taken quite seriously, not only in extensive commentary in mainstream media and journals, but even within the military — which might be compelled to intervene, as in the tinpot dictatorships that are Trump’s model. A striking example is an open letter to the country’s highest ranking military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Mark Milley, from two highly regarded retired military commanders, Lt. Colonels John Nagl and Paul Yingling. They warn Milley: “The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath” to defend the Constitution against all enemies, “foreign and domestic.”
The enemy today is domestic: a “lawless president,” Nagl and Yingling continue, who “is assembling a private army capable of thwarting not only the will of the electorate but also the capacities of ordinary law enforcement. When these forces collide on January 20, 2021, the U.S. military will be the only institution capable of upholding our Constitutional order.”…
In preparation, an “Army for Trump” is being mobilized to descend on polls to intimidate the wrong voters. What was once the Justice Department is easing election fraud inquiry constraints in case that path becomes necessary.
In general, no stone is left unturned in Trump’s campaign to dismantle democratic forms and hold on to power….
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-trump-is-willing-to-dismantle-democracy-to-hold-on-to-power/?utm_source=Truthout&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Truthout+Share+Buttons