The New York Times reported that Trump again advocated for a treatment for COVID-19 and silenced his chief medical adviser, Dr.Anthony Fauci, who does not agree with him. Other physicians warn that the side effects of the drug recommended by Trump could be dangerous.
The Washington Post reported that Rudy Guiliani has advised Trump about the drug that he touts.
The Washington Post writes:
In one-on-one phone calls with Trump, Giuliani said, he has been touting the use of an anti-malarial drug combination that has shown some early promise in treating covid-19, the disease the novel coronavirus causes, but whose effectiveness has not yet been proved. He said he now spends his days on the phone with doctors, coronavirus patients and hospital executives promoting the treatment, which Trump has also publicly lauded.
The New York Times writes:
President Trump doubled down Sunday on his push for the use of an anti-malarial drug against the coronavirus, issuing medical advice that goes well beyond scant evidence of the drug’s effectiveness as well as the advice of doctors and public health experts.
Mr. Trump’s recommendation of hydroxychloroquine, for the second day in a row at a White House briefing, was a striking example of his brazen willingness to distort and outright defy expert opinion and scientific evidence when it does not suit his agenda.
Standing alongside two top public health officials who have declined to endorse his call for widely administering the drug, Mr. Trump suggested that he was speaking on gut instinct and acknowledged that he had no expertise on the subject.
Saying that the drug is “being tested now,” Mr. Trump said that “there are some very strong, powerful signs” of its potential, although health experts say that the data is extremely limited and that more study of the drug’s effectiveness against the coronavirus is needed.
“But what do I know? I’m not a doctor,” Mr. Trump added.
“If it does work, it would be a shame we did not do it early,” Mr. Trump said, noting again that the federal government had purchased and stockpiled 29 million pills of the drug. “We are sending them to various labs, our military, we’re sending them to the hospitals.”
Mr. Trump, who once predicted that the virus might “miraculously” disappear by April because of warm weather, and who has rejected scientific consensus on issues like climate change, was undaunted by skeptical questioning.
“What do you have to lose?” Mr. Trump asked, for the second day in a row, saying that terminally ill patients should be willing to try any treatment that has shown some promise.
When a reporter at Sunday’s briefing asked Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to weigh in on the subject, Mr. Trump stopped him from answering. As the reporter noted that Dr. Fauci, who has been far more skeptical about the drug’s potential, was the president’s medical expert, Mr. Trump made it clear he did not want the doctor to answer.
“You know how many times he’s answered that question? Maybe 15 times,” the president said, stepping toward the lectern where Dr. Fauci was standing.
Even as Mr. Trump has promoted the drug, which is also often prescribed for patients with lupus, it has created rifts within his own coronavirus task force. And while many hospitals have chosen to use hydroxychloroquine in a desperate attempt to treat dying patients who have few other options, others have noted that it carries serious risks. In particular, the drug can cause a heart arrhythmia that can lead to cardiac arrest.
Dr. Megan L. Ranney, an emergency physician at Brown University in Rhode Island, said in an interview on Sunday night that she had never seen an elected official advertise a miracle cure the way Mr. Trump has.
“There are side effects to hydroxychloroquine,” Dr. Ranney said. “It causes psychiatric symptoms, cardiac problems and a host of other bad side effects.”
Dr. Ranney said that the drug could be effective for some patients, but that there was not nearly enough scientific evidence to support Mr. Trump’s claims.
“There may be a role for it for some people,” she said, “but to tell Americans ‘you don’t have anything to lose,’ that’s not true. People certainly have something to lose by taking it indiscriminately.”
Hydroxychloroquine has not been proved to work against Covid-19 in any significant clinical trials. A small trial by Chinese researchers made public last week found that it helped speed the recovery in moderately ill patients, but the study was not peer-reviewed and had significant limitations. Earlier reports from France and China have drawn criticism because they did not include control groups to compare treated patients with untreated ones, and researchers have called the reports anecdotal. Without controls, they said, it is impossible to determine whether the drugs worked.
But Mr. Trump on Sunday dismissed the notion that doctors should wait for further study.
“We don’t have time to go and say, ‘Gee, let’s take a couple of years and test it out,’ and let’s go out and test with the test tubes and the laboratories,” Mr. Trump said. “I’d love to do that, but we have people dying today.”
Mr. Trump is typically joined at his briefings by top medical advisers, including Dr. Fauci and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, his coronavirus coordinator. But the president does most of the talking, and has told several advisers that the briefings give him free airtime and good ratings.
A day earlier, Dr. Fauci had privately challenged rising optimism about the drug’s efficacy during a meeting of the coronavirus task force in the White House’s Situation Room, according to two people familiar with the events who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a conversation in a sensitive setting. The argument was first reported by the website Axios.
The meeting’s agenda included the question of how the administration would discuss chloroquines. Dr. Stephen Hahn, the Food and Drug Administration commissioner, gave an update on chloroquines, and what various tests and anecdotal evidence had shown. Peter Navarro, the president’s trade adviser who is overseeing supply chain issues related to the coronavirus, asked to join the meeting, said the people briefed on what took place.
Mr. Navarro, who has been pushing to secure chloroquines at the president’s request to provide to caregivers, walked in with a sheaf of folders he had placed on a chair next to him, plopped them on the table and said he had seen studies from various countries, as well as information culled from officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, showing the “clear” efficacy of the drug in treating the coronavirus. Mr. Navarro also argued that the medicine was being used by doctors and nurses on the front lines of the coronavirus fight.
Dr. Fauci pushed back, echoing remarks he has made in interviews in the past week that rigorous study is still necessary. Mr. Navarro, an economist by training, shot back that the information he had collected was “science,” according to the people familiar with the episode.
Vice President Mike Pence tried to tamp down the debate, and as emotions calmed, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, advised Mr. Navarro to “take yes for an answer.” The president went to the briefing room lectern a short while later and glowed about chloroquine use, suggesting he might even take it himself despite not having symptoms or evidence of the virus.

If the Trumpeters are so convinced that these drugs work, why aren’t they taking them?
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Trump and his family give advice based on the principle of: Do as I say, not as I do.
Masks are for the little people.
So is his favorite drug cocktail.
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Why won’t Trump wear a mask? I read he’s a germophobe so it makes no sense to me. Has anyone seen White House staff wearing masks? I would not be surprised if he does not allow people working there to wear them, maybe in an attempt to prove that his COVID-19-is-a-hoax lie is true –although Ivanka tweeted a picture of herself wearing a mask –while she was sitting at her computer (presumably at home).
The mask may prove to be Kryptonite for Mr. Trump-Thinks-He-Is-Teflon!
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Apparently some are, because I have a friend with an autoimmune disorder that takes this drug, and she is now having to ration her pills because there is none of it available.
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And read about this woman, whose insurance in California is cutting her off the drug, and THANKING HER FOR HER SACRIFICE! Truth is stranger than fiction.
https://abc7news.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-covid-19/6072487/
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Oh my Lord! This is horrifying.
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Maybe Rudy has Novartis stock
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/quest-for-cure_-anti-malaria-drug-can-kill-coronavirus—novartis-chief/45653476?utm_campaign=swi-nl&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=o
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That’s was my gut feeling. These creeps have bought stock in the drug company at rock bottom prices and now want it to soar in price. I’d say the SEC should get involved along with the FBI, but the SEC is probably in on it too.
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There are clinical trials under way at the Cook County hospital in Chicago with a more promising drug, Remdesivir, which has been effective with ebola: https://b96.radio.com/promotion/cook-county-health-running-clinical-trials-on-covid-19-drug
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US preparedness for the pandemic.
The CDC Foundation, created by Congress as an independent, private organization, is a “strategic implementing partner” for the CDC so that the “CDC experts can focus on science”. The Foundation functions to correct the “limitations of the government”. Two former CDC Foundation chairs were one, a former chair and CEO of the Koch’s Georgia Pacific and another was co-founder of Home Depot.
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This is the same mindset that’s often used to promote education “reform”: since the crisis is so severe, we have to do something and do it quickly, even if it’s untested, unproven and likely to have serious side effects. Peter Greene has likened it to a situation in which a person clutches at his chest and falls to the ground. Another person comes up with a hacksaw, “Quick, chop off his arm!” Other people try to protest, but the guy with the hacksaw says, “We have to do something!!! Do you have a better idea?”
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If Trump’s gut instinct is so great (if he really believes the ignorant crap coming out of his mouth), he should be taking this drug in front of the media and to make sure he takes the real one, let Fauci verify it isn’t a sugar pill but the real thing before Trump swallows it.
Then Trump has to open his mouth for an inspection to prove the pill was swallowed.
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I follow other blogs, too, and one of them is called Math Babe. I recommend reading today’s post from Math Babe. She also recently had a post with images showing how to make your own masks.
“Diabetics potentially have a LOT to lose by using hydroxychloroquine”
And, in that post, Math Babe also provides a link to “ALL” the side effects to the drug Trumpty Dumpty is recommending.
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My guess is that the economist just did some printouts of the CDC information and clinical trials proposed, pending, or in progress. That is public information and some of it is international in scope. But it is also a mix of reports on studies of viruses, not all of them specific to COVID-19. In any case the websites for information could produce a stack of reports that have an aura of scientific legitimacy but are unlikely to have been read or understood by the arrogant economist.
I have no specialized training, but for anyone who wants to know about the studies for the drugs that Trump is hyping for COVID-19… and other therapeutic options, please go to: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html
Here is a separate link to clinical trials, some proposed, some in progress for COVID-19. I looked at one that involves an app to record your cough, along with other information. This looks like an effort to capture enough audio data for predictive use, with a boost from artificial intelligence and convenience of data gathered via a mobile phone, possibly with GPS tracking.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid-19&term=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search
If you have no respect for science you are open to any pitch for a miracle cure from any source, including Fox News, TV hucksters, and other profiteers.
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It sounds similar to NBER reports (lack peer review). Some of NBER’s “research” is attractive to the wealthy for use as promotion for their economic policies that concentrate wealth.
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As I tweeted him, he should lead the way, taking a hefty dose of the drug, along with the other drug he’s been flacking…as a prophylactic. I did not mention reading that combining the two drugs can be fatal, but hey, he thinks he knows more than the doctors, so who am I to stand in the way of his very large brain.
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You beat me to the punch. I was going to say I hope he takes VERY LARGE prophylactic dose– NOW.
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Trump doesn’t believe in Science. He just makes stuff up.
Trump is a National Security Threat.
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Don’t worry. The oh-so-Reverend Jim Baker already has a cure–his “Silver Solution” magic elixir. LOL. And then there’s this guy:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kenneth-copeland-blow-coronavirus-pray-sermon-trump-televangelist-a9448561.html
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Only an expert can deal the problem.
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I will NOT watch his daily updates. If we all stop watching and listening. He won’t go away but at least we all won’t be losing our tempers/minds at his bloviating.
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Well, with Drs. Chump and Ghouliani on the case, what could go wrong?
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When more of Trump’s blind, deaf, and dumb followers die from taking this risky drug, Trumpty Dumpty will blame someone else. I’ve read that at last one has already died from taking it.
“Arizona man dies after attempting to take Trump coronavirus ‘cure’
“Wife survives after couple in their 60s ingested chloroquine phosphate, which Trump falsely claimed was approved to treat coronavirus …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-cure-kills-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
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There is no basis for the President’s touting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the coronavirus absent a double-blind study demonstrating its safety and efficacy. That Peter Narvarro*, the President’s trade adviser (who is not an M.D.), thinks that studies prove the drug’s value is not “evidence.” And that lupus patients should fear that they will have to go without the drug because the federal government and others are stockpiling it is an outrage.
Much of the time, when the President acts, he does so out of self-interest. How does the President benefit personally from promoting hydroxychloroquine? What’s in it for him?
*Here is what the author of a profile of Navarro that appears in the Oct. 12, 2016 issue of The New Yorker had to say of him: “Navarro is the only Ph.D. economist I was able to find who enthusiastically supports Trump. I can’t say there aren’t any others, but, in weeks of reporting, I have not been able to find any.”
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Ah, but there is a basis. Several news outlets are reporting, today, that the various Trump family trusts have stock portfolios in which the largest single holding is the maker of this drug.
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Yes. I read that, too, Bob. Waiting for corroboration from other sources before spreading the word. But it’s a sad state of affairs when a scenario as horrid as this would be a strong possibility.
Along the same lines is the test for the virus. I hope someone can fill me in with a reliable news source, but I’m wondering why the administration insisted on developing our own test. It smacks of profit motive/self interest.
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Or simply of Trump’s distrust of foreigners, the U.N., and international organizations generally. And, of course, throughout this, he has insisted on private sector responses–on waiting to see what U.S. companies might do, informed by Jared’s failed notions about what initiatives to take–oh, “Google will create a website for signups for testing” (not) and the like. So, a response driven by ideology, not actual conditions and actual science.
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“Much of the time, when the President acts, he does so out of self-interest. How does the President benefit personally from promoting hydroxychloroquine? What’s in it for him?”
I think Trumpty Dumpty is gambling that some of his deplorable followers using hydroxychloroquine will claim it saved them. Then Faux News and/or One American (fake) News (propaganda) network (also known as OAN) will focus on those claims repeating them while ignoring any deaths caused by this drug. There has already been at least one reported death that Fox and OAN will probably ignore.
“Arizona man dies after attempting to take Trump coronavirus ‘cure’
“Wife survives after couple in their 60s ingested chloroquine phosphate, which Trump falsely claimed was approved to treat coronavirus”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-cure-kills-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
Then Trump will brag how he is smarter than all the scientists and doctors in the world.
Have you seen John Oliver’s recent piece on OAN? OAN should be called TDMPN for Trumpty Dumpty’s Misinformation Propaganda Network.
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I definitely would not put that past him, Lloyd. Just as I’m sure that, in areas where social distancing was practiced, he tells us that he was right: it wasn’t as bad as the fake media made it out to be.
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I hadn’t seen that John Oliver. Wow. Trump must love those guys. Might as well put Rush Limbaugh in the press briefings audience while he’s at it.
I checked out Liz Wheeler’s “rebuttal” of Oliver’s reference to her “penguins” rant. I’m floored that these people even exist.
Remember the glowing forecasts of the blossoming “Information Age” during Clinton’s first term…?
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I found this to be an interesting take on Trump and his far right agenda: m
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sorry, it won’t post
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? Complete the thought, dammit! 🤓
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sorry, for some reason the site would not post. It was for an article in Salon (www.salon.com) titled “Behind the right’s obsession with the coronavirus” (I think I got that title right)
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