Writing today in the Washington Post, constitutional scholar Laurence H. Tribe refutes the spurious claims that Trump’s lawyers have advanced, notably that Trump can’t be impeached because he didn’t commit a crime.
That is, there is no law saying that it is a crime to seek foreign help in getting dirt on one’s political opponent in the next presidential election, so it is not criminal.
Professor Tribe writes:
Another of his lawyers, my former Harvard Law School colleague Alan Dershowitz, claiming to represent the Constitution rather than the president as such, makes the backup argument that the articles must be dismissed because neither abuse of power nor obstruction of Congress can count as impeachable offenses.
Both of these arguments are baseless. Senators weighing the articles of impeachment shouldn’t think that they offer an excuse for not performing their constitutional duty.
The argument that only criminal offenses are impeachable has died a thousand deaths in the writings of all the experts on the subject, but it staggers on like a vengeful zombie. In fact, there is no evidence that the phrase “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” was understood in the 1780s to mean indictable crimes.
On the contrary, with virtually no federal criminal law in place when the Constitution was written in 1787, any such understanding would have been inconceivable. Moreover, on July 20, 1787, Edmund Randolph, Virginia’s governor, urged the inclusion of an impeachment power specifically because the “Executive will have great opportunitys of abusing his power.” Even more famously, Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 65 defined “high crimes and misdemeanors” as “those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust.”
Any number of such violations of the public trust — such as working with foreign governments in ways that make the president beholden to their leaders, or cooperating with those governments to bolster the president’s reelection — clearly must be impeachable even though they might violate no criminal law and indeed no federal statute at all.
The related suggestion that, even if some noncriminal offenses might be impeachable, “abuse of power” is not among them is particularly strange. No serious constitutional scholar has ever agreed with it. The suggestion turns the impeachment power on its head.
The logic of impeachment as applied to the presidency is that the president has unique authority conferred by Article II. If he abuses that authority for personal advantage, financial or political, he injures the country as a whole. That is precisely why the framers rejected the idea of relying solely on an election to remove an abusive president from office. Indeed, waiting for the next election is an option that is obviously insufficient when the abuse of power is directed at cheating in that very election.
Professor Tribe goes on to cite the impeachment trial of President Johnson to support his argument that Alan Dershowitz, a criminal defense lawyer, doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Professor Tribe knows!
I haven’t read or heard anyone point out what I think is the reason Trump’s lawyers are alleging that Trump isn’t guilty because what he did is not a crime.
Repeat a lie designed to mislead and many people will fall for that lie.
Because Trump’s lawyers keep saying he is not guilty of committing a crime, when the GOP dominated Senate does not vote to impeach him and kick him out of the White House, Trump will use the statements his lawyers made to support his claim that the impeachment in the House was a witch hunt and he is innocent, that he did nothing wrong. Trump will continue to repeat the Democrats attempted a coup to remove him from the White House. Trump will continue to repeat that the Democrats were conducting a witch hunt.
I think everything that Trump’s defense team is doing is at Trump’s direction as he writes the script for his take-over of the United States with help from his gullible, ignorant, biased, racist, deplorable hardcore hate-filled, faux Chrisitan, toxic supporters.
Trump has a long history as a micromanager. That is why there is so much evidence coming out that he orchestrated and approved every step of the UkraneGate Scandal.
I think the Orange [unfit words] is getting worried. He is lying more now than in his first year. It’s hard to make 22 lies in one day…for normal people.
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President Trump made 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years
Jan. 20, 2020
In 2019, President Trump doubled the total number of false claims he had made in the previous two years combined, the Washington Post reports. The newspaper’s Fact Checker has been tallying Trump’s false or misleading claims ever since he took office exactly three years ago. In 2017, he is said to have made 1,999 false or misleading claims, then he added 5,689 in 2018, but was untethered in 2019 with 8,155 suspect claims. The Fact Checker states that, three years after his inauguration, Trump has made more than 16,200 false or misleading claims. That boils down to six such claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018, and more than 22 in 2019. Last year’s surge in October and November was largely down to the controversy surrounding the July phone call when Trump urged Ukraine’s president to announce an investigation of former vice president Joe Biden, ultimately leading to the impeachment inquiry. Nearly 1,000 of the false and misleading claims made by the president deal with the Ukraine investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/
Carol,
Practice, practice, practice.
LOL
Exactly!
Trump and his gang of thugs just make stuff up.
They even deny global warming as fire consumes and oceans, steams, and water are polluted.
In the meanwhile, these same goons are doing unmentionable things at trump properties. They all have BIG DIRT on each other. I can only imagine the kind of terrible immoral and downright disgusting things these horrid people do.
Bravo!
And, btw, a person who is not guilty doesn’t do everything in his power to keep witnesses who would exonerate him from testifying.
Trump is a crook and a traitor and an idiot. You know it. I know it. The Repugnican Senators know it. Trump’s lawyers, including his former Epstein-circle pals Alan and Ken know it. Everybody knows.
Corruption, criminality, traitorousness, self-dealing, in plain sight but untouchable. This is how you know you are living in an Orwellian state or Banana Republic.
What was appalling to me is that the NY Times reported dutifully on all those completely spurious arguments made by Trump’s lawyers, then included a quote by someone on “the other side”, and presented impeachment as an entirely partisan issue where there are no facts and both sides are equally truthful and honest.
If Trump decided he could legally shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, his lawyers would offer up some spurious arguments about why Trump could shoot someone and the NY Times would dutifully report those arguments in a very, very serious way and then say that it’s a “partisan” issue with both sides having equally valid points.
And if Trump decided to round up people who were not white Christians and put them into concentration camps, the NY Times would dutifully report whatever Republicans told them about Trump’s absolute right to do this and then present “the other side” as equally valid and make sure readers know that Trump’s opinion that he could round up anyone and put them in concentration camps is just as valid and truthful as an opinion that he cannot.
And that’s why democracy is in danger. The Judith Miller style of journalism is what NY Times reporters now follow because asking questions when you are presented with lies from right wing Republicans would make those reporters look too “biased”. At least that is what they are terrified of.
Yes…it’s the old “there are good people on both sides” mentality.
More like “there are bad people on both sides”.
[Oops…I meant to post my response here.]
Exactly!
I was not referring to the “there are good people on both sides” or “there are bad people on both sides” debate, which is irrelevant to the impeachment issue.
What I am talking about is “both sides are just as likely to be telling you the truth and we will report both sides’ claims as if there is no possible way for anyone to know the facts”.
That kind of “fair and balanced” reporting that presents lies and truths as exactly the same is a huge problem for democracy.
There is no possible way on earth that a President is Constitutionally allowed to hold up legally mandated aid to a foreign country to force that foreign country to publicly smear his political opponent with the words that foreign leader says having to be approved by the President because if the words do not sufficiently smear his opponent enough, the President will continue to illegally hold up the aid.
The NYT reporters wrote a long article in which they respectfully presented that argument as being a perfectly legitimate argument with any disagreement as to whether the President could blackmail a foreign country to smear his political rival as being “partisan”.
It’s no different than the President’s lawyers presenting the argument for why Trump was allowed to shoot his Presidential opponent on Fifth avenue and the NY Times reporters writing an article in which they accept that any disagreement about whether Trump can legally murder whoever he wants is simply “partisan” in nature. \
Trump committed impeachable acts, period. That is a fact, not a partisan opinion. And newspapers like the NY Times will say that when it is a Democrat, but when it is a Republican, the NY Times simply insists that both facts and lies are the same because they just can’t tell the difference and it would show “bias” if they dared to point out a lie.
Trump may have ‘dictated’ part of his impeachment defense because arguments are ‘not legally sophisticated’:
Former Nixon White House Counsel
Written by Alex Henderson
January 20, 2020
John Dean is a veteran of the Watergate era who has been offering insights on President Donald Trump’s many scandals. After having a lot to say about former special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, Dean (who served as White House Counsel under President Richard Nixon) has recently been weighing in on the president’s Ukraine scandal. And Dean, during an interview with CNN’s Ana Cabrera on Sunday, speculated that Trump might have “dictated” some of his impeachment defense brief because the arguments used are “not legally sophisticated.”
The 81-year-old Dean told Cabrera, “I actually thought Trump might have dictated part of this brief like he did the letter that (White House Counsel) Cipollone sent to Congress that said that what they were doing was not proper. It’s of that vernacular. It’s not legally sophisticated. It actually plays to the base.”…
https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/trump-have-dictated-part-of-his-impeachment-defense-because-arguments-are-not-legally-sophisticated-former-nixon-white-house-counsel/#.XiYckSym3b8.gmail
Thank you……. excellent as always.
Peggy Funkhouser
Wellesley ‘52
That the constitution is deliberately vague concerning impeachment is proof on the face of it that the founding father’s intent was that the senate have the power to decide whether the president was to be kept in office or not. It seems that their mandate from the constitution is to remove if they see fit, even if it is the most tiny of abstractions. Further suggestion of this is placed in the way they saw the selection process of the executive, lodged solidly in a band of electors who would put the brakes on any tyrant. Montesquieu said it again and again: power checks power. This is the only principle guiding the senate, for it is the fundamental principle of the constitution.
The senators should ask themselves one simple question: Did Trump”s behavior vis-à-vis Ukraine create any power vested in the presidency that undermines in a fundamental way the proper relationship between the senate and the executive? Any related question comes back to this one.
Well argued and said, RT!
McConnell Unveils Rules for Trump Impeachment Trial
On Monday, the president’s lawyers asserted he did nothing wrong and urged the Senate to “swiftly reject” the charges against him.
WASHINGTON — Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, unveiled ground rules on Monday for President Trump’s impeachment trial that would attempt to speed the proceeding along and refuse to admit the evidence against the president unearthed by the House without a separate vote.
Mr. McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, showed his hand hours after Mr. Trump’s legal team called on the Senate to “swiftly reject” the impeachment charges and acquit him, arguing that Democrats would “permanently weaken the presidency” if they succeeded in removing him from office over what the team characterized as policy and political differences…
Mr. McConnell’s trial rules, which also limited each side’s arguments to 24 hours over two days, gave the White House a helping hand at the outset and drew a swift anger from Democrats. The rules left open the possibility that the Senate could not only decline to hear new evidence not uncovered in the House impeachment inquiry, but could also sidestep considering the House case against Mr. Trump altogether — although such a vote is considered unlikely.
“Under this resolution, Senator McConnell is saying he doesn’t want to hear any of the existing evidence, and he doesn’t want to hear any new evidence,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader. “It’s a cover-up, and the American people will see it for exactly what it is.”
He promised to propose changes during what promises to be a rancorous debate in the Senate over the rules on Tuesday…
The lawyers argued that the second article, accusing Mr. Trump of obstructing Congress by blocking testimony and refusing to turn over documents during the House impeachment inquiry, was “frivolous and dangerous” because it would invalidate a president’s right to confidential deliberations in violation of the separation of powers…
If Trump wins the 2020 election, we will see “pure Trump, off the chain” and “four years of Trump payback.” –Steve Bannon
And an effort for a third term.
Hey, Trump’s puppeteer, Putin, can simply fire all the Russian ministers and rewrite the Constitution. Why don’t his Agent Orange in America? Moscow’s Agent Governing America (MAGA), Don the Con is getting a taste of that raw power right now having Bill Barr as head of the what we used to be able to call the Department of Justice.
And the NY Times would report William Barr’s argument that Trump has the power to declare himself President for life and disband Congress as if it was very likely correct and anyone who disagreed with Barr was simply a “partisan Democrat”.
Let’s face it, Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and the cowardly NYT – fearful of being called “biased” by Fox News fascists – would write a front page article quoting Barr about how it was perfectly fine for Trump to shoot someone, with the cowardly NYT reporters showing the proper “fair and balanced” reporting and including the disclaimer that “partisan Democrats disagreed” with the upright and honest Barr explaining how Trump absolutely had that right.
And that is how democracy dies.
Only a third term? Trump is going to go for the whole ball of wax. If he has his way, he will rule the United States for thousands of years from inside a glass coffin after he dies of old age.
Frightening.
cx: why not, ofc
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”
—Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
ROBERT’S RULE: If you are wondering whether a new policy, procedure, technology, law, regulation, or system is a good idea, just think of the worst person at the worst time in the future wielding its power. –Robert D. Shepherd
Bob’s blog home page: https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/
Bob Shepherd: ROBERT’S RULE: If you are wondering whether a new policy, procedure, technology, law, regulation, or system is a good idea, just think of the worst person at the worst time in the future wielding its power. –Robert D. Shepherd
I DuckDuckGo’d my full name. I’ve done this a few times in the past. I was shocked to see that my full name, address, age, birthdate, estimated amount of money that I have [it was incorrect], people who are either friends or family [it listed my daughter and my ex-husband and his wife plus a two people I don’t know]. Still, that is way more than should be available. It listed former towns in which I’d lived, some of which were inaccurate. I was listed as a liberal Democrat.
This freaks me out. This information, easily available, is an invasion of privacy. In the hands of the wrong people, harm can be done. What if being a liberal Democrat becomes the wrong party? If the Orange Buffoon says in power forever…..????
Carol
The information you speak of is collected and displayed by companies like “The White Pages” which make money off of detailed data about people.
There is no guarantee that any of the information is even correct and the companies basically immunize themselves against law suits by claiming the information is not to be used for stuff like background checks by employers when they do their hirin (even though they damned well know it WILL be).
The companies like The White Pages quite purposefully put in things like “might have a criminal record” to entice searchers to pay the fee, only to find that “might” includes “does not”.
The whole thing is a mmoney making scam run by scumbags.
Data mining is extraordinarily powerful. Sophisticated data mining programs can find correlations in data that no human could and make very accurate predictions about people’s behavior. A very brief short story (flash fiction) about that: https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/stories/he-sees-you-when-youre-sleeping-a-short-story/
The sort of analysis that makes predictions that humans could not make is often based on neural networks which are notorious for giving bogus results.
A very famous example is that of a system that misidentified dogs as wolves purely because every wolf in the training set was photographed in snow and the neural network was “identifying” based on the snowy background and not the features of the animals.
Those who don’t know anything about this stuff (which includes the vast majority of the public and even lots of scientists who don’t deal with neural networks) are wowed by the computer “scientists”when a lot of what they produce is absolute garbage.
A lot of them are simply too stupid to recognize their own crap.
Exactly, SomeDAM. And that makes this stuff even more dangerous when it is a tool in the hands of intelligence services and police. Years ago, I attended a lecture by a very famous, very high-profile FBI profiler. The guy was, well, you can’t put this politely, not very bright.
I think Tribe is being very unfair.
If Trump’s legal team do not defend him with bogus arguments, what do they have?
LOL. If they didn’t defend him with bogus arguments, Vladimir would be quite displeased.
Gee. Neither Trump nor Pence knows Parnas. President Donald Trump said he doesn’t know Lev Parnas, an associate of Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani who has been charged with making illegal donations to politicians.
Pence’s memory is also failing him when necessary.
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Parnas Lawyer Shares Pence Video After Vice President Denies Knowing Him
Jamie Ross
Reporter
Updated Jan. 21, 2020 7:13AM ET /
Published Jan. 21, 2020 7:07AM ET
REUTERS
Lev Parnas’ legal team has shared a video of his client socializing with Mike Pence and his wife after the vice president vehemently denied that he knows Parnas. Pence said during a CNN appearance last week: “I don’t know the guy.” But Joseph Bondy, the attorney for Parnas, tweeted the video Monday night with the caption: “Pence does indeed know the guy.” The video clip shows Parnas holding the hand of Karen Pence and talking with her as the vice president speaks to someone else at the table. The short video ends as Parnas is seen reaching toward Mike Pence, waiting to shake his hand. Mysteriously, the video has had a soundtrack added to it. It plays the opening seconds of “September” by Earth, Wind and Fire, which have the lyrics: “Do you remember, the 21st night of September? Love was changing the minds of pretenders, while chasing the clouds away.”
Parnas has alleged that Pence was aware of his role in a pressure campaign on the Ukrainian government to get it to investigate the Biden family.
Parma’s has the goods on all these crooks. The Trump administration is a criminal swamp. He drained the swamp of anyone who was not willing to do his dirty work and kiss his…feet.
Here’s hoping XLV’s SOTU Address will be Leavenworth KS.
If he is even convicted by the Senate, I will eat my tablet.
My tables,
My tables — meet it is I set it down
That one may smile and smile and be a villain.
🙞 Hamlet, 1.5.107–109
Exactly, Jon!
XLV’s lie-yers look like they’re opting for what is technically known as a disjunctive defense —
“My client was nowhere near the scene of the murder, and besides, it was self-defence.”
And If that doesn’t wash, it was suicide.
Parnas didn’t hang himself! (beating the rush, here)
Lol, Bob!!! You definitely beat me to it. Sad state that we can joke over dead people (and quite possibly, future dead people)…
I’ve seen more pics of Trump and Parnas together than of Trump and Barron.
Bob Shepherd: “I’ve seen more pics of Trump and Parnas together than of Trump and Barron.”
The Orange Dufus calls his own child “Melania’s Son”. He cares about kids dying from smoking but it’s perfectly okay for them to be killed by guns or a filthy environment.
“She’s got a son together’? Huh. She put him together all by herself.
Trump: “And I’m hearing it [vaping] and that’s how the first lady got involved and she’s got a son together that is a, a beautiful young man and she feels very, very strongly about it.
and she’s got a son together
Lord, what a moron.
To quote Edward R. Murrow “one cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument”.
Agreed.
There are always at least 3
“There are always at least 3..”
Certainly that is the message that the Climate Change Deniers have been pushing. Imagine what happens when reporting on climate change becomes exactly like reporting on impeachment. Imagine if the NY Times and every major news source write in every article that climate change is just about “sides” people have. It is a very dangerous message when facts are simply “sides” .
For instance the 3 “sides” to Climate Change are:
Climate change is made up and there is no such thing as climate change.
Climate change is real and our country needs to start acting to do something about it, i.e. enacting AOC’s Green New Deal.
We have no idea whether climate change is real, it may be a big fraud or it may be real but who knows and both are equally likely to be true and those who think it is real are simply “partisans” with no more evidence than those who know climate change it is a big hoax.
When the third “side” — that we have no idea what is true and it’s all a partisan issue — is embraced by the major media, then this country has a real problem. Because that third side helps those claiming that climate change is fake and facts don’t matter anymore.