This column by Paul Waldman was published by the Washington Post, where he is a columnist.
At a fundraiser in New York attended by the usual Wall Street types, Joe Biden said some things that are raising eyebrows, for good reason, on two subjects. His comments on his friendly relations with segregationists are getting the most attention, but he also said something important about the wealthy people whose dollars he was seeking.
Both comments are deeply problematic, and both stem from the same misconception Biden holds. Let’s start here:
You know, what I’ve found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money. The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change. Because when we have income inequality as large as we have in the United States today, it brews and ferments political discord and basic revolution. […] It allows demagogues to step in and say the reason where we are is because of the other, the other. You’re not the other. I need you very badly. I hope if I win this nomination, I won’t let you down.
Biden knows his audience. His pitch to them is not that we must reduce inequality because it’s a fundamental wrong, but because if we don’t, the masses will rise up in anger and you never know what might happen then.
If you want to be generous, you could argue that when he assured the well-heeled donors that “No one’s standard of living will change,” he was telling them that they have so much money that no matter how much we raised their taxes they’d barely notice it. After all, if you have a billion dollars in assets and Elizabeth Warren’s 2 percent wealth tax took effect, your taxes would go up by $20 million, which would leave you with $980 million in assets. You wouldn’t have to cut back on dinners out or start buying the generic toilet paper.
But Biden’s actual ideas about policy change are far more modest, and so are the arguments he wants to make to the public. He believes that you can govern well without attacking the wealthy or big corporations, in both substance and rhetoric. We can all get along if we assume everyone is operating out of good will.
But are they? The problems we’re facing right now didn’t happen by accident. Biden says he’s a great friend to labor unions, but does he think that the Republicans and their corporate partners can be persuaded to abandon their war on collective bargaining with enough backslapping and reassurances that “nothing would fundamentally change”? Or do you have to fight and defeat them because fundamental change is exactly what’s necessary and they’ll never agree to it? If you’re maintaining good relations with the billionaire class, might that be evidence that you’ve already committed to not changing the status quo?
Now let’s look at the even more startling thing Biden said at the fundraiser.
First, Biden recounted being at a caucus with the late Mississippi Sen. James O. Eastland. Imitating his southern drawl, Biden said: “He never called me ‘boy,’ he always called me ‘son’.”
There’s a reason Eastland didn’t call Biden “boy.” That’s what racists like Eastland called black men, and Biden is white. In fact, Eastland was friendly toward Biden in no small part because at the time Biden was an opponent of busing.
Biden then brought up deceased Georgia Sen. Herman Talmadge and called him “one of the meanest guys I ever knew.” Biden added:
Well guess what? At least there was some civility. We got things done. We didn’t agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today, you look at the other side and you’re the enemy. Not the opposition, the enemy. We don’t talk to each other anymore.
One reason all this is so objectionable is that much of Biden’s career was built on him being the kind of Democrat who could speak to and for white people who felt dispossessed by societal change, particularly around issues of race. That’s also a key building block (though it goes unstated) of the suggestion that he’s “electable” in ways other Democrats might not be.
Which means that when he’s running to be the presidential nominee of the party that represents pretty much all nonwhite Americans, Biden needs to be especially thoughtful about how he talks about his friendships with people like Eastland.
If you aren’t familiar with that history, Eastland was one of the most prominent segregationists in America. Here’s an excerpt from Robert A. Caro’s “Master of the Senate” about the Montgomery bus boycott (h/t Tim Dickinson):
Montgomery’s blacks kept on walking even when ten thousand people attended a White Citizens Council rally in the Montgomery Coliseum — “the largest pro-segregation rally in history” — to hear Mississippi’s senior United States Senator, James O. Eastland, shout that “In every stage of the bus boycott we have been oppressed and degraded because of black, slimy, juicy, unbearably stinking n—— … African flesh-eaters. When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to abolish the Negro race, proper methods should be used. Among these are guns, bows and arrows, slingshots and knives … All whites are created equal with certain rights, among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of dead n——.”
It takes more than calling a segregationist “mean” to assure us that Biden really gets that these men he worked with didn’t just have political differences with him and weren’t just personally unpleasant, but had devoted their lives to a project of monstrous evil, the subjugation of millions of Americans because of their race.
But let’s try again to be generous to Biden. The point he was trying to make is that if he could work with a racist like Eastland to “get things done,” surely he can convince Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to do the same.
But there’s a problem with this logic, which is that Eastland and other segregationists were perfectly happy to pass legislation on any number of issues that didn’t impede their agenda of white supremacy.
Today’s Republican Party is not. If there’s a Democrat in the White House in 2021 they will employ the same strategy they did under Barack Obama of obstructing everything that president wants to do, as Biden ought to remember.
No no, please, not Joe. Joe who stands for the status quo. We’ve seen this show too many times, too many times befo’.
I have tired of the most electable moniker. Biden is pandering to the wealthy. We need to provide health care, housing and nutrition. Multiple homes, yachts and jets are not necessary. Participation in endless military conflicts should be curtailed. Climate change should be addressed. The middle class should not be held hostage to the proclivities of the rich.
Feel the Bern!
Well said, Ms. Shure!
Shocking quote in the Caro book…absolutely despicable.
But then….
It’s right back to the election of 2016 (AGAIN) and all the comments I read on this blog over and over…vote for Hillary….don’t vote for Hillary….I voted for Hillary….I didn’t vote for Hillary….
How did we end up here? And, can we stop this debacle from happening AGAIN?
There must be some classic book out there about this question…change from within vs. from outside…..the moderate vs. radical…. Really, BOOKS out there.
Actually, I probably ought to find something to read about the election of 1860 because we seem to be at a similar turning point in the nation’s history. But this time around there’s so much more in the world that’s immediately at risk,too.
Trump is like the rudderless President Buchanan (in office 1857-1861) though much, much worse. Mix in the demagoguery of Huey Long, the lawlessness of a Nixon along with the feckless ignorance of Warren Harding not to mention George W. Bush Jr.. The Know Nothings finally got their way! Is this the worst U.S. president we’ve ever had?
Maybe the Orlando Sentinel has already said it best in its recent editorial. (Note this is The Sentinel, which endorsed Mitt Romney in 2012): Their verdict: Anyone but Trump.
I don’t know. Maybe But then I think, ANYONE?
I’m afraid to ask this but, could it get even worse?
P.S. To be fair to the Sentinel, they didn’t actually say “anyone but Trump.” Just not Trump. But, well, you get the idea. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-sentinel-not-endorsing-donald-trump-2020-20190618-63ya7cyb5ngf3irllodwxnznui-story.html
John, if it comes down to Trump versus Biden (and I don’t think it will), I will hold my nose and vote for Biden, of course. I suspect that almost all Democrats, of all stripes, feel that way. Your characterization of our first Aryan Nation President, IQ45, aka Vlad’s Agent Orange, President Pinocchio, Don the Con, Jabba the Part-time President, and The Don, Cheeto Trumpbaloney, is spot on.
“All whites are created equal with certain rights, among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of dead n——.””
It’s sickening that Mississippi Sen. James O. Eastland would be elected after saying such revolting things. I seriously doubt that anyone could get along with this confirmed racist unless they were also narrow minded and filled with hate.
I would only vote for Joe Biden when or if he was the only Democratic choice. He is at the bottom of my wish list. Nothing of substance would ever get done with him in charge. It is sad that so many voters don’t think. Name recognition should not be the winning quality.
“Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.”
—-FDR
Yes!!!
Great quote.
When Eastland was elected, almost all blacks in his state were disenfranchised by literacy tests, poor schooling and poll taxes.
This is off topic, sort of, but I get infuriated at the lies that can be told.
This is research from Harvard. “Pull yourself up the bootstraps’ is a GOP thing so that they can relieve themselves of any responsibility to help those who are struggling. Azar speaks with no evidence that many who lost coverage in Arkansas on Medicaid got jobs. Around 18,000 people got jobs? Wow. Arkansas is booming.
Common sense says that rural or city poor people aren’t getting jobs but have lost their health insurance. HHS Secretary in one more unfit appointee.
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Trump-approved Medicaid work rules didn’t increase employment, study finds
By RACHANA PRADHAN 06/19/2019
The country’s first Medicaid work requirement in Arkansas forced thousands of low-income people off health coverage last year but didn’t boost employment, according to a new study in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health found the uninsured rate also increased for Arkansans between 30 and 49 years old — the age range of the first Medicaid beneficiaries subject to the new work requirements.
The findings could undercut one of the Trump administration’s central arguments for approving the requirements — that mandating work as a condition of Medicaid coverage would spur employment and improve health.
“It should certainly be a warning sign that there’s potential for large coverage losses, potential for significant confusion,” said Benjamin Sommers, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health and the study’s lead author.
Earlier this year, HHS Secretary Alex Azar suggested without evidence that many of the people who lost Medicaid coverage had left the program voluntarily “because they got a job [in] this booming economy.”
An HHS spokesperson Wednesday defended the secretary’s prior remarks, noting that at the hearing “he outlined that there were only 1,452 of 18,000 who reapplied for Medicaid and ‘that seems a fairly strong indication that the individuals who left the program were doing so because they got a job.’ …
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/trump-medicaid-employment-study-1543335
Here’s how Betsy DeVos measures progress:
“Her insights ranged from why she believes she’s made progress toward her goals (because “we hear the opposition yelling louder than they have for a long time”), that she believes education freedom is inevitable and “is the answer to just about everything,” and about the “very noisy status quo-protecting cabal that is keeping kids from having a better chance and a better future.”
That she hears “the opposition yelling”
She then goes on to promote her federal voucher program, laud charters as uniformly excellent, and completely and utterly ignore public schools and public school students- she offers them absolutely nothing.
Biden must live in a different country than I do. In the country I live in the head of the US Department of Education defines everyone who doesn’t agree with her ideological agenda as “the opposition” and exclusively promotes and supports charter and private schools over public schools.
This is amusing too. After putting forth a giant national voucher proposal and spending nearly a year on it to the exclusion of anything else, including doing ANYTHING on behalf of the 90% of students in public schools, the nation’s lead ed reformer insists ed reform isn’t about vouchers:
“Well, number one, they don’t really understand what education choice, school choice and education freedom are. And they don’t try to understand it and make it clear. When everybody uses school choice synonymously with a voucher, that’s just erroneous. A voucher is one mechanism, one vehicle. But what we’re really talking about is education freedom, and a variety of mechanisms and vehicles that allow for education freedom. The notion of education freedom is giving every kid the opportunity to make the kind of choices that the wealthy and the connected have been able to make for decades.”
Her single K-12 policy is vouchers. She and hundreds of publicly-paid staff spend every day promoting it. Yet. someone how we’re misunderstanding them, and they aren’t about vouchers.
http://laschoolreport.com/education-secretary-betsy-devos-talks-about-why-parents-deserve-more-school-options-why-she-supports-freedom-scholarships-and-what-its-like-working-with-a-new-congress/
I think it’s great that the Democratic candidates are being asked about charters. I supported Obama but I think he misled Democratic voters and his administration was not just blind, rah rah cheerleaders for charters but also anti-public schools, which harmed public school students.
But I do wish there would be more of a focus on what they plan to do positively and affirmatively for PUBLIC schools. I think one of the things ed reform has done is hijack the debate and force a focus on exclusively the schools they support- charter and private schools- and public schools are (still) being ignored.
We can insist our elected officials serve our students and schools. We don’t have to accept the role ed reform has assigned our schools, as the disfavored “default” schools no one values or pays attention to. We know people value public schools.
We’re in the middle of the third anti-public school president in a row. That’s 19 years of dismissing public schools as “the status quo” and neglecting and ignoring them. I want a pro-public schools and pro public school STUDENT president. I insist they add value to existing public schools. A charter or voucher position isn’t enough. That’s 10% of students, at best. The other 90% deserve actual work and effort expended on their behalf.
“We’re in the middle of the third anti-public school president in a row.”
Third? At least sixth. Clinton was the one who made education “reform” a Democratic thing. Bush 41 may not have been as aggressive as Bush 43, but his views on education were not that different. And Reagan – sheesh, what more needs to be said about the man who adored Margaret “There Is No Society” Thatcher?
You are right about Clinton. He praised charter schools and started the federal Charter Schools Program, which as we now know is a charter slush fund.
Papa Bush supported choice and testing but there was no way he could demonstrate his support because the Democrats controlled Congress and opposed both.
Reagan wanted vouchers.
a crucial understanding: the move away from what was in public education to what is in public education has been decades in coming—like stair steps, one Preident’s policy opening the door to the next one soon to come
But when Clinton supported charters it was for the same reason Diane Ravitch did. It SEEMED like a good idea for a while.
Even Bernie Sanders supported “good public charters” until very recently.
So I’m not sure why the fact that Bernie used to support charters like many of the past Presidents did has to do with his stance right now, or the stance of other Democrats like Tim Kaine who actually never supported charters the way that Bernie and other so-called DFER “progressives” that Bernie campaigned for did.
Tim Kaine understood what was wrong with charters long before Bernie Sanders understood it. It’s a shame he isn’t Vice-President, isn’t it?
This is the man the DNC is trying to convince you is a progressive, who will be better than Trump. I guess he will be if you like your bigotry with a charming smile. Biden is different from Trump only in form, not in content. As I’ve said many times, I personally prefer my enemies to make themselves known, not pretend to be my friends.
If the DNC succeeds in ramming Biden through, I (and many, many, many others) will not vote for him, so I hope you’re enjoying Trump. If you don’t want Trump again, I suggest you work really hard to oppose the DNC neoliberal takeover.
YES to your last paragraph, Dienne77! That’s what I’ve been sayin’!!! Everyone reading this who feels the same way, it’s time to nip this in the bud before/during the Dem primaries.
As one of my very wise students once said, “Stop your whining ^& start your winning!”
& I’m talking to all of you out there who are moaning & wringing your hands about, “Ohh, to most of the people on this blog, it’s Bernie or Warren or no one, & that’s why T won last time, because you didn’t vote for HRC.” I think most people who didn’t vote for her were in states in which she had a lock, not those states that swung, & it was on principle.
You know, some people still have them. Principles, that is.
Get to work, NOW whiners*, & we won’t have a repeat of 2016
*&, sorry, no, I’m not talking about those of us who don’t want Biden.
Biden needs to RETIRE. He has NO CLUE.
AGREE!!!
If Bernie wins the primary and anyone says the ugly things you just posted about Biden and insists that we would let Trump win to “show” those nasty and evil Bernie voters how wrong they were because Bernie is much too corrupt to win, then those people should be ignored as trolls.
BTW, anytime you hear Congresscritters talking about “bipartisanship”, count your limbs, check your wallet and make sure your house is still standing because they’re screwing you somehow. The parties are not supposed to get along. The phrase “opposition party” is supposed to have meaning. The corporations and billionaires are most happy about the things that Biden has reached across the aisle to get done.
Your so-called progressive candidate tried very hard to turn Virginia into a pro-charter state and worked as hard as he could to elect the DFER candidate that wanted to destroy public education in Virginia.
Was your candidate working so hard to destroy public education in Virginia done in the name of bipartisanship, our just because he wanted to make DFER happy?
It’s odd how you make all kinds of allowances for some candidates but insist others must meet some purity test or you will help Trump win by bashing the Democrat candidate as corrupt and no better than Trump.
Difference between Republicans and neoliberal Democrats:
Rs: “It’s a capitalistic, white man’s world, baby, and if you can’t keep up, you can go suck eggs, loser.”
Ds: “It’s a capitalistic, white man’s world, baby, and if you don’t like it, well … I feel your pain. Here, have a charter school.”
RINO’s and DINO’s are one in the same. Time for a Democratic “Socialist” and nothing less!!
Well put, Dienne. But if it comes down to IQ45 v. Biden? Well, Biden is more likely to cave to pressure from the liberal wing of his party.
Joe Biden should consider himself lucky that a columnist with the bona fides of Paul Waldman gives him the benefit of the doubt.
I’m afraid I’m not willing to extend that same confidence to Mr. Biden. I hope my unions (I’ve belonged to both the NEA and the AFT at this point in my career) won’t hasten to endorse him, as they did with Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Let’s at least compel the Democratic presidential nominee to earn our endorsement, rather than handing it out like a sample of a new snack food in a supermarket aisle.
Sheesh!
SHEESH is right. So agree with, “Let’s at least compel the Democratic presidential nominee to earn our endorsement, rather than handing it out like a sample of a new snack food in a supermarket aisle.”
Biden is ONE of the PROBLEMS.
No, the teachers’ union is the problem. They should be destroyed just like the DNC because if they don’t endorse the right candidate.
I’m just using the logic that some people use when they say that they won’t support the Democratic candidate against Trump unless the DNC does the perfect thing and nominates the perfect candidate.
Same goes with the union. If the union ends up supporting Biden, we should work to destroy the teachers union just like we work to destroy the Democratic candidate.
If Biden wins the nomination with the help of the teachers’ union, we should all try to destroy the teachers’ union period. No more union because we need to elect people who want to outlaw unions as the way to make them more progressive, right?
Should we get rid of the entire Teachers Union because they endorsed the wrong nominee? Should we decide that the union is entirely corrupt and support those who want to completely destroy the union in the name of “progressivism”? after all, if Trump is re-elected and manages to make all unions illegal, that would really “help” the union movement, according to the same logic used by progressives who refuse to vote for any candidate but their chosen perfect one. That’s how you make the union more progressive, by destroying it altogether and electing people who don’t believe in unions.
Because that is what I am hearing here. I wonder if everyone here who says they would help Trump win by refusing to support Biden if he was the candidate also agrees that if the union endorses anyone but Bernie, we should fight to destroy all teachers unions period because they are totally and completely corrupt just like the DNC.
I don’t recall saying that I would “refuse” Joe Biden. I also don’t recall saying that I want to “get rid of the entire Teachers Union.” I am by choice a dues-paying member of the NEA.
If that is what you’re “hearing here” than you might not be listening carefully enough. Please don’t project or presume to put words in my mouth.
I’m talking about posters who post this and those who act as if anything they say should therefore be taken seriously:
“Biden is different from Trump only in form, not in content. As I’ve said many times, I personally prefer my enemies to make themselves known, not pretend to be my friends.
If the DNC succeeds in ramming Biden through, I (and many, many, many others) will not vote for him, so I hope you’re enjoying Trump. ”
So I say:
If the teachers union succeeds in ramming Biden through the way they did ramming HRC through, then I will do everything I can to support those who want to destroy the teachers union forever because they are exactly the same as the evil union! And everyone who doesn’t join me in trying to destroy the teachers union and elect candidates who want to destroy the union forever should not call themselves progressives. Real progressives would help me destroy the teachers union because that’s the only way to make it more progressive. Helping those who hate teachers unions win elections and have the power to destroy unions is how good progressives like me “help” teachers unions.
You might think I sound like a union-hating troll because I am happy to see the union totally destroyed in the name of “helping” them, but believe me, I’m just a real progressive.
If the union dares to endorse anyone but Bernie, we should all do what those who hate the DNC do and try to destroy the teachers union altogether by working hard to make sure those who hate unions and democracy are elected.
After all, how can the union become more progressive without us electing lots of right wing politicians who will work to destroy it? After all, I know the union is my “enemy” right now and I need to treat it like the enemy it is and destroy it.
If the union doesn’t endorse Bernie, it is an enemy who needs to be destroyed. Then you can thank all of us who believe in destroying the union in the name of making it progressive.
When social media and the press says the teachers union endorses a candidate it means the leaders of the union support the candidate. the union does not control how the teachers will vote. Teachers should look at all the candidates and pick the one that best help everyone. I am not a blindfolded lackey to believe the highly paid leaders of the unions. They are protecting themselves and their positions.
“the union does not control how the teachers will vote. Teachers should look at all the candidates and pick the one that best help everyone. I am not a blindfolded lackey to believe the highly paid leaders of the unions.”
The union controls how teachers vote exactly as much as the DNC controls how voters in the primary vote.
Primary voters are not “blindfolded lackeys” either. According to certain Trump normalizers who insist that Trump is no worse than any Democrat, that doesn’t matter. Either the DNC nominate someone who they choose, or they will work to destroy the candidate because re-electing Trump will really show them what is wrong with the candidate and make them change. I assume the same holds true with the teachers’ union. The way to make sure the union has better leaders is to make sure politicians who hate the union and want to destroy it are totally empowered.
Doesn’t that make sense to you? Punish the union by helping elect the most right wing leaders who want to destroy it, and then it will surely be more progressive. (I think this argument was popular in Nazi Germany and of course, leads to fascism but if you are angry, you would rather have fascism than a corrupt Democrat like Biden.)
Entirely agreed, Mark.
Thanks, Bob.
While Biden is an affable member of the get-along-gang, he will not be helpful to make to make significant change. He will pander to corporations the same way Obama and Clinton did. As we have seen in “reform,” corporations play dirty, propagandize and steal. Once they set they sights on a target, they are like the colonizing Europeans. They make deals with the natives, only to ignore them later as they seize more land. They won’t stop until the Pacific Ocean becomes “manifest destiny.” Considering that so many billionaires and wealthy individuals hide their assets overseas to avoid paying taxes, I would hardly consider many of them patriotic. The children of the 1% rarely serve in the military. In particular, the Trump family only knows service to themselves.
Our country needs more than a goodwill ambassador. We need someone that will fight for all Americans; someone that will navigate conflict, not just appease. We need someone that will address our problems, not ignore them. Biden is not that person.
Biden needs to RETIRE.
Caro’s Eastland quote–astonishing in its honest, virulent, racism–is the kind of real history that phonies like Biden stay away from because it (ie., the ugly, grotesque, reality) would get in the way of Compromise. Neville Chamberlain would be proud. We need Democrats with principles and a backbone. Will there be a fight if Dems move in this direction? Of course. Aren’t we in it already?
We certainly are. A lot of slow learners in the DNC leadership.
We are a nation of slow learners, as some of the comments in this thread demonstrate.
Can we stop with the lie that the “DNC leadership” has some ultimate power over voters.
African American voters in the south voted for HRC in the primary because they PREFERRED her to the guy who believes that white people who refuse to vote for African-American candidates aren’t
racists.
I have no idea who primary voters will vote for and I hope it isn’t Biden, but if it is, it will have nothing to do with him being “rammed down anyone’s throat”.
Vote for whomever in the state primaries, I’m voting for the dem who polls the best against Trump, this election will be won ( or lost) in the “purple” states; this time around I’m totally a pragmatic voter – just beat Trump!!!
The hyperventilating and idiocy of the some of the comments above demonstrate how little people understand the political process, emphasis on process. They also ignore history. If past campaigns were decided at this stage, just since the mid-80s we would have had presidents Hart, Powell, Giuliani or Edwards. Take a deep breath folks. Work for your candidates, point out policy differences with those you oppose, and understand that an election is not an endpoint, it is another stage in a never ending PROCESS.
I think Biden is the wrong candidate at the wrong time. I find many of his views to be naively sinister. I don’t think he will win the nomination. But I will vote for him should he get the nomination. My vote will not be an endorsement of his views, it will be a pragmatic decision to live to fight another day, to commit to immediately hold his administration accountable when I believe it is misguided. I would also vote for Booker, as much as I hate his views on education, drug policy, and finance. I hope to vote for Sanders or Warren and will do so enthusiastically if I can. I also know, if one should be elected, that it will be a very difficult four years ahead.
Here’s what I’m sure of: if Individual-1 is reelected, this country’s founding principles, however messy and imperfect they have been, will be irreparably destroyed. Not damaged, destroyed. I know history doesn’t mean much to some of you—some of you seem to revel ignorance and the illusion and conceit of certainty it creates—but this has happened before. I suggest you learn a bit about Second Empire of France, because that’s where we’re headed. Or Weimar Germany, because I fear that’s where we are. And then learn about the consequences of each. Because as unimaginable at it may seem, it is and will continue to happen here.
Not one of the Democratic candidates prompts these fears in me, no matter how much I may dislike them. Those of you who would take your toys home and pout: please remember that you now have the right to do so. That right may well become a luxurious fantasy if you were actually to act as you gripe and pontificate.
Greg,
Like you, I will vote for any Democrat against Trump. Period.
And I add, at this point in the process, I am beginning to doubt that Biden will be the candidate. His gaffes are numerous. His gaffes sound like what he really believes. No Democrat can win the nomination without African American support. In S.C., an early primary state, the Democratic voters are overwhelmingly black. Biden is now fighting Cory Booker over who owes whom an apology. Biden says he has nothing to apologize for. He is standing by his remarks about his alliance with bigots. That is not a winning place to be.
I also think he looks very old, much more than Trump or Sanders.
His claim that he will change nothing except Trump’s insane policies doesn’t sound like a good campaign slogan.
Dear Fat Cats:
Nothing will change.
–Uncle Joe
Here’s a good summation of this mess by Michael Tomasky in the NYRB: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/07/18/rules-of-the-game-democratic-candidates-2020/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR%20Democrats%20celibacy%20Lebanon&utm_content=NYR%20Democrats%20celibacy%20Lebanon+CID_4b32271a28fd1c6c51444ae649976f7c&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=The%20Rules%20of%20the%20Game
GregB,
I notice that the people who insist on progressive ideological purity in the DNC are usually white and not Muslim.
There is no real reason to think Biden will win the nomination. But it is ironic because HRC was 10000x better than Biden as someone who has been fighting for progressive causes for decades.
If Biden does win the nomination — and I certainly hope he does not — then the people who “take [their] toys home and pout” will once again be proven wrong because they insisted that by refusing to vote for a Democrat they would force ideological progressive purity in the next candidate and instead what they got was the opposite.
There is only ONE reason why Biden would win. And that is because the majority of voters in the primary are voting for him.
These people claim to respect AOC but they are happy to throw out everything she stands for when it comes to helping re-elect Trump if the one candidate they decide is acceptable doesn’t win the nomination.
Instead of spending their time bashing Biden and using their threats to help Trump win re-election if Biden wins the primary, they should be fighting for whichever primary candidate they want.
Threats to help Trump win if Biden wins the primary is not the way to convince people that your judgement is sound and they should support the candidate they insist must win the primary or else.
And that holds true for any Biden supporter who says that if Bernie wins the primary they will help Trump win. Fortunately, I have not heard any Biden supporters sounding that evil refrain but if they start it up the way I hear some people saying it here, they should be called out for their entitlement.
GregB, I loathe to disagree with you on anything, but my reading is that most of the people who have posted above agree that a) they don’t want Biden to be the candidate, and b) if he is the candidate against Trump, they will hold their noses and vote for him. Perhaps I’m wrong.
We’re in the primary season now, and I am not going to pull any punches with regard to Uncle Joe.
Feel the Bern.
Bob,
Good summary.
98% of readers will vote for anyone but Trump.
I’m talking about these kinds of dishonest comments working to mislead people into believing that having Trump be reelected is no big deal if the only other option is Biden.
“Biden is different from Trump only in form, not in content. As I’ve said many times, I personally prefer my enemies to make themselves known, not pretend to be my friends.
If the DNC succeeds in ramming Biden through, I (and many, many, many others) will not vote for him, so I hope you’re enjoying Trump.”
Anyone who says there is no difference between Trump and Biden in “content” is not telling the truth. When those people try with all their might to get others to believe lies that aren’t true about Biden in order to make sure that if he is the nominee, Trump will win again, is lying.
Of course anyone who believed that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are no different than who HRC would have nominated is probably not interested in having a truthful discussion anyway. Like Trump, they seem to believe that any dishonesty in the name of promoting their own preferences is perfectly fine.
Beautiful Factoid of the Day: 74 percent of Tinder users say that someone’s being a Trump supporter is a deal breaker for a date.
The Lysistrata Strategy. I totally approve.
I will not vote for Biden in the primaries in California. But if it comes down to Biden vs Trump in 2020, I will vote for him. In fact, I’d vote for a bucket of sand vs Trump. AT least with a bucket of sand as our president, the tweeting would stop, and it wouldn’t be stirring up hate and subverting the U.S. Constitution.
Sand also has many uses, and it doesn’t watch Fox news, play golf, doesn’t eat fast food, or drink Diet Coke.
Lloyd, I agree.
Trump is CRAZY!!! He is mentally unstable and a threat to our democracy. “Man of the Year” by Time magazine…horse hockey! Actually he might be. He is by far the worst president and causes harm to people somewhere every single day. I guess he could be Man of the Year for his unspeakable unfitness, ignorance, bad mouth, laziness and the unabated proliferation of hatred and fear. It definitely wouldn’t happen because of ‘all of his success’.
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Trump Threatened Time Magazine Reporter With Prison Over Photo of Kim Jong Un Letter
Jamie RossReporter
Updated 06.21.19 6:48AM ET / Published 06.21.19 5:31AM ET
Donald Trump freaked out and threatened a Time magazine reporter with prison after the publication’s photographer apparently tried to take a snap of a letter sent to him by Kim Jong Un. Trump reportedly asked to go off-the-record while he showed off the letter to reporters, but then became enraged after the photographer appeared to try to capture it. “Excuse me—Under Section II—Well, you can go to prison instead, because, if you use, if you use the photograph you took of the letter that I gave you … confidentially, I didn’t give it to you to take photographs of it, so don’t play that game with me,” the president is quoted as saying in the transcript. Trump then went on a rant about the magazine’s coverage of him “with all I’ve done and the success I’ve had,” and added: “Some day within the next 20 years… maybe you’ll pick me as Man of the Year. OK, big deal.”
And we still have people posting on here claiming that there is absolutely no difference “in content” between Trump and Biden.
There are people here who keep legitimatizing and normalizing Trump by saying that this is no different than what the evil democrats do.
We need to ask ourselves why some so-called progressives keep normalizing what Trump is doing by claiming that under Biden it would be no different. Are they trolls?
I don’t like Biden and he deserves criticism, but when people are rabid in posting a lie that Biden is no better than Trump and they would rather have Trump win again than vote for Biden, then they are speaking with the pure dishonesty of a far right wing troll. And they will do this with every nominee who wins the primary. i suspect even Bernie will be found lacking for some of his compromises in the past since of course he is just as imperfect as human beings are.
If Biden is no different than Trump, that normalizes Trump. People who spend their lives normalizing Trump by saying the Democrats do exactly the same thing have a very questionable agenda. They seem be the same ones who think that poor Trump has been victimized by Robert Mueller because he has done nothing wrong at all except act just like those evil Democrats they refuse to vote for.
NYCPSP,
Please stop posting the same comment over and over and over. The 2016 election is behind us. Just stop. You made your point. Move on or you will be in moderation and I will screen your comments.
Sorry I just saw this comment, so if I posted something additional in the meantime, then I apologize and please delete it.
I was posting the same thing in the fall of 2016 when I saw very similar comments during October and early November that alarmed me. I read comments here claiming that Trump was no worse than the evil Democrats. Just enough voters believed that to give Trump the election and bring us at least two lifetime right wing Supreme Court Justices and a slew of right wing federal judges who will make it very difficult to enact progressive legislation in the future.
There is plenty of legitimate criticism to make about Biden. But I think those whose only goal is to get people to believe that there is no difference between Trump and Biden have a different agenda that is not healthy for this country. And they should not be empowered the way they were in 2016 when they were legitimized and treated as if their viewpoint had even a smidgeon of truth to it.
NYC public school parent: I don’t understand why Trump manages to get away with the continual abuse of women. Nothing ever happens.
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E. Jean Carroll: “Trump attacked me in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman.”
When Carroll meets Donald Trump in Bergdorf Goodman, the encounter starts as a friendly one. Trump recognizes her as “that advice lady”; Carroll recognizes him as “that real-estate tycoon.” Trump tells Carroll that he’s there to buy a gift for “a girl,” and though we don’t learn the identity of this mystery woman, Carroll places the ensuing incident in late 1995 or early 1996, during which time Trump was married to Marla Maples. When Trump asks Carroll to advise him on what to buy, she agrees, and the two eventually make their way to the lingerie section. Trump suggests a lace bodysuit and encourages Carroll to try it on; she, deflecting, jokingly suggests that he try it on instead. After they reach the dressing rooms, events turn violent. In Carroll’s account, Trump shoves her against a wall inside a dressing room, pulls down her tights, and…
Carroll, 75, is a venerated Elle advice columnist. At the time of the attack, she was well known in her own right. A frequent feature writer for magazines like Playboy and Esquire, she had her own television show on America’s Talking, the precursor to MSNBC. Trump had his own record. By the time of his alleged assault on Carroll, Trump’s ex-wife, Ivana, had already claimed that Trump violated her during their marriage…
NYC PSP,
It is not 2016 anymore. Please stop attacking other readers. Please stop complaining about people who don’t agree with you.
Well, here’s how Trump is responding to the latest sexual harassment charge. Of course, it is the Democrats fault that he can’t keep his mitts off pretty women.
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President Trump on Friday denied that he sexually assaulted writer E. Jean Carroll after the longtime advice columnist accused the president of raping her in a department store dressing room in the 1990s.
Trump asserted in a statement that he’d never met Carroll, and accused her of making the allegation to boost sales for her book. He further suggested that Carroll may be working with the Democratic Party.
Diane, I’m very sorry I offended you (that was not my intention) and I absolutely respect your right to delete any post I made and put me into moderation.
You are not in moderation.
You got a warning not to reignite the battles of 2016 and not to pick fights inside the tent.
Trump has no problem with separating children from their parents. Do all of these children have relatives who are capable of taking care of them? Do these children want to be given to relatives? He can expedite cases for deportation but there are no resources for expedition of those wanting amnesty. I’m sure many of these families are now living on the streets in fear. Exactly how does ICE know whether or not a child is a US citizen?
I have nothing but disdain for the monster who inhabits the WH.
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ICE Is Expected to Begin Operation on Sunday Targeting 2,000 Immigrant Family Members
The operation will focus on undocumented migrants in at least 10 major cities across the country and who had their cases expedited and were served deportation orders.
…“Past raids have left children alone and afraid in empty homes, praying they won’t be left to care for younger siblings by themselves, with no idea if they’ll see their parents again,” said Sandra Cordero, the director of Families Belong Together, an advocacy group.
If officers find undocumented parents with children who are citizens, ICE is likely to book a hotel room until a relative can claim the children. The parents would then be taken to family detention centers, where there is limited space.
Affected families would stay at those centers until officials secure travel documents for their deportation. Many of the families are likely to reopen their immigration cases because they did not receive proper notice for a removal hearing.
On Friday, the Los Angeles Police Department said it would not help the federal government with any planned raids…
THE “CENTER” OF AMERICAN POLITICS IS ON THE LEFT by Robert Reich
Donald Trump, Fox News, and Republicans in Congress label proposals they disagree with “fringe,” “radical,” or “socialist.” Well, let’s see where the American people actually stand:
On the economy,76 percent of Americans favor higher taxes on the super-rich, including over half of registered Republicans. Over 60 percent favor a wealth tax on fortunes of $50 million or more. Even Fox News polls confirm these trends.
What about health care? Well, 70 percent want Medicare for All, which most define as Medicare for anyone who wants it. 60 percent of Republicans support allowing anyone under 65 to buy into Medicare.
92 percent want lower prescription drug prices. Over 70 percent think we should be able to buy drugs imported from Canada.
On family issues, more than 80 percent of Americans want paid maternity leave. 79 percent of voters want more affordable child care. And that includes 80 percent of Republicans.
60 percent of Americans support free college tuition for those who meet income requirements.
62% think climate change is man-made and needs addressing.
84 percent think money has too much influence in politics. 77 percent support limits on campaign spending. And that includes 71 percent of Republicans.
I could go on.
So why do the powerful call these policy ideas “fringe,” or “radical,” or “socialist?”
Money. Many of these initiatives would cost them – requiring either higher taxes on the rich (many could be achieved by repealing the giant Trump tax cut for the wealthy and corporations), or regulations that might cut into their corporate profits.
So you can bet that as these proposals become even more popular, the powerful are going to intensify their attacks.
But just remember: the “center” is not halfway between what most Americans want and what big corporations, Wall Street, and the super-wealthy want.
The “center” is what the vast majority of Americans want.
So why do the powerful call these policy ideas “fringe,” or “radical,” or “socialist?”
Because their wealth and power have corrupted their ability to think and reason rationally with compassion and humanity. It also doesn’t help that the most popular profession for psychopaths is to become a powerful CEO. The climb to that position must be brutal with lots of office politics and backstabbing that only a malignant narcissist and psychopath like another Trump could win – except Trump was born into wealth and never had to fight to climb from the bottom to the top. He learned how to be brutal from his father and that mob lawyer he worships.
Lord Acton was right in the 19th century when he wrote, “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still, more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.”
What has always been true in the past, is still correct today. The scum of humanity are always around and most of them are no different than the monsters we read about in the history books. When I use the word “scum”, I’m talking about the super rich that abuse their wealth and the power it buys. They are not all bad, but too many are.
Maybe it’s because Joe Biden is about my age and I perceive what he is saying differently, but I think this is a warped, slanted, interpretation of his record and his attitude. That said, there is no perfect candidate and has never been one. We must get Trump and the Trumpican Party out of power, PERIOD. While at this point I think the winning ticket is Biden/Harris, I’ll avoid attacking any of the candidates. They are all better than the wannabe dictator, Putin’s poodle and all support the same basic agenda. Remember, seniors (like me) vote en masse. We need to make sure minorities and women also come out super energized. I know there are many young voters. If they vote, they can control any election, but will they? We need them energized. Biden? Harris can do all these things and set Kamala Harris up to become president after Biden. There are others on the stage that will have their time at some point.
I’d vote for an empty, broken bottle of cheap beer to get Trump out of office.
Just about anything and anyone that isn’t Trump, a member of his family, and most if not all of the Republican Party would make a better president.