Gary Rubinstein continues with episode 4 of the podcast about Success Academy. This episode attempts to explain away the embarrassing revelation of the “got to go” list, which was reported in the New York Times. You see, getting rid of “bad” children assures the greatest good for the greatest number. Once ejected, where do these children go? The only place that will take them: the public schools that Eva Moskowitz loathes.
Gary writes:
Part four of Startup’s seven part podcast about Success Academy (found here) is centered on the ‘Got To Go’ incident where a principal was found to have created a list of students he wanted to oust from his school. This episode explores whether or not the ‘Got To Go’ list was an isolated infraction by a rogue principal or if it is something that is part of the culture of the school.
Episode 1 was about the state of public schools in NYC that would make it ripe for a network like Success Academy to emerge. Episode 2 was the story of Eva Moskowitz and how she rose to power. Episode 3 was about the emphasis the network puts on standardized tests and questions whether the high test scores come at some greater cost.
Episode 4 — Growth — is the most critical so far. The ‘Go To Go’ list was a major story in the New York Times and it corroborated what many families said about Success Academy, that they push out students which, as a side benefit for them, raises the test scores of the school.
The narrator, Lisa Chow, though, got some talking points from Success Academy about how to spin this story.
Candido Brown was a new principal, put in charge of a Success Academy elementary school in Fort Greene, a neighborhood in Brooklyn. The school had already gone through two other principals in a year. The place did not represent the Success ideal of quiet classrooms and well behaved kids. It was chaotic, teachers were demoralized, and kids were defiant. Candido had worked at Success for six years but never as a principal before. He was under pressure to turn the school around. But he said drawing up the list was his own idea.
So we are to believe that this was a huge anomaly at Success Academy because that school was in turmoil so he took it on himself to resort to such extreme measures. But how likely is it that there was actually a Success Academy that was in the chaos that Lisa Chow describes? Looking at the state data, this school, Success Academy — Fort Greene, had test scores (100% Math, 85% Reading) on par with the other Success Academy schools. So if they can get such test scores even when the school is in turmoil, perhaps the strict discipline there as described in episode 3 as so critical to their success, is not so important after all.
The next part of the podcast shows the level of control that Success Academy requires at their ideal schools, especially ones that have many inexperienced teachers.
LISA: That silence is the result of Success’ system of behavioral management. For that system to work, teachers need to build strong relationships with their students. Then, on top of that foundation, teachers do three things. Step 1: Set clear expectations… even for the simplest things.
For example, when kids at Success Academy are sitting on the rug, they need to be in what’s called magic five: hands locked, feet crossed, back straight, ears listening and eyes tracking the speaker.
Step 2 is to point out when kids are following those instructions — to narrate good behavior.
TEACHER: Liam is still in magic five. Chastity is silent. Malia’s hand are locked Kalia’s hands are locked, Kalia’s eyes are right on me. Liam is sitting up straight and tall, Sam is sitting up straight and tall. Kalia is tracking Hendrick, Amari is tracking Hendrick
LISA: And, as soon as teachers see a student who’s not following the instructions, they call out the behavior. That’s Step 3: Issue corrections.
TEACHER: Colin is sitting up super tall. Eliany hands in your lap. That’s a correction.
LISA: A correction is basically a warning to the student. The teacher here says it so matter of factly that you barely notice. That’s the point — discipline is woven into the fabric at Success. And if a student gets too many corrections it can land them in trouble — a timeout, a phone call home. For more serious infractions, they’re suspended.
This ‘behavior narration’ is something I had seen on some of the Success Academy training videos (before they took them all down from public site). It is touted in ‘Teach Like A Champion’ and is also something that Teach For America advises their teachers to do. Basically, the teacher talks for the almost the entire time the students are working, saying that this student is sitting properly and this other one isn’t. I find this quite irritating and I would, personally, not be able to concentrate if I was a student and the teacher chattered for the entire time like this.
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The way that the media treats Eva Moskowitz reminds me of how the far right treats Donald Trump whenever there is a question about his corrupt actions. One must always take each action separately and figure out some excuse for why it is okay at the time.
Principal refuses to send renewal forms home with kids she wants to kick out? Oh, she just wanted to have a heart to heart with those parents.
Principal trained under this very same principal devises a got to go lists, tells the network about it, and gets an e-mail back saying basically don’t put that in writing? Oh it was all the fault of this untrained principal.
Missing kids? Their parents are ignorant and they hate good schools. Suspended kids? We get so many violent African-American 5 year olds winning our lottery so don’t blame us. Lawsuits by parents of special needs kids? It’s all their fault.
This podcast asks some questions, but like every other complicit education reporter, they always accept Eva Moskowitz’ answer at face value.
Why check facts when it’s so much easier just to present a “he said she said” and pretend each side has equal weight, with probably the charter side being right?
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^^The correspondence the producer had with Gary in the earlier post was very revealing. That producer refused to simply do some homework and present us with some facts as to how many of the original Kindergarten lottery winners who are truly at-risk children progress with their cohort to the testing grades and beyond to middle and high school.
That’s what any good journalist would do, but there are very few good journalists who work the education beat.
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I would be a whole lot cheaper and more efficient to hire some lunch aides to supervise students than creating an unneeded network of parallel schools for a handful of striving students.
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The ultimate goal is not to create an unneeded network of parallel schools for a handful of striving students.
The ultimate goal is to starve public schools of funding and undermine them by drawing out the easiest to teach and sending back the most difficult and expensive students.
That is why Eva Moskowitz and all her supporters deny so strongly that the students in Success Academy are not exactly like the students in failing public schools. That’s why Success Academy spends so much PR effort to call children and parents who have spoken out about her methods liars and violent.
Remember, even progressive politicians won’t call out Moskowitz about her patently untrue claims that she has demonstrated how the most severely at-risk kids can be educated with less money in large class sizes as long as they get that patented Success Academy “secret sauce” in their charter.
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Has any progressive politician other than Bill de Blasio directly criticized Eva Moskowitz? I’d love to have a list so I can support them.
There are plenty of progressive politicians willing to mouth DFER rhetoric about making sure disadvantaged kids have access to good “public” school (and they include non-profit charters as “public”).
Has any politician except de Blasio offered any real criticism of Eva Moskowitz and Success Academy? Even when Moskowitz was very busy endorsing Betsy DeVos and went on our public relations tear to demand DeVos be confirmed, I heard nothing.
Why are progressives unwilling to call out the worst practitioners of “public charters”? Why is DFER allowed to present itself as a progressive group while the progressive candidates stand by complicit in their agenda?
Why does DFER always get a pass while the Center for American Progress — which includes Democrats who DFER hates because they aren’t charter-friendly — gets attacked?
Any progressive politicians running for President ever criticize DFER or Success Academy? I’d sure like to support one who does. And I’d sure like to know why they are too cowardly to do so. Or worse, why they are true believers in the DFER agenda?
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When was the last time Bill DeBlasio criticized Eva? 2014?
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I wish de Blasio would criticize her more. On the other hand, his hands were tied because she used his criticism to claim victimhood and when he stopped publicly criticizing her and just not doing what she demanded, her PR efforts didn’t work. Moskowitz wanted to be part of universal pre-k after she realized it was so successful, and was mad that de Blasio wouldn’t allow her to use her usual tactics to push out children because pre-k was overseen by the city. de Blasio just quietly didn’t budge that she would have to sign the same contract as other pre-k providers. It wasn’t until a charter-friendly judge ruled in her favor that she could run pre-k without signing the city contract that Moskowitz got her way.
So, I appreciate that Mayor de Blasio realized that Moskowitz had so successfully demonized him that he could do more good by not making it about him. The same thing happened when she has demanded space for all the charters that SUNY already approved that she claimed the DOE was holding up. Instead of criticizing her, de Blasio just offered space that she didn’t want and she couldn’t do much about it except have another protest.
I understand why de Blasio was forced to shut up and not make it about him having some personal beef with Moskowitz. IF even a handful of leading and credible progressive politicians had his back, things might have been different. But de Blasio has not made it easy for Moskowitz. I get that people like to say that, but the entirety of the facts just don’t support that.
Are there any other progressive politicians criticizing Moskowitz or DFER? They have nothing to lose.
And even if Mayor de Blasio was Eva’s lapdog and spends all his time trying to figure out how to best do Eva’s bidding, I do not understand why that means that all the progressives running for President remain silent when they could and should be criticizing DFER and Moskowitz.
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Forget DeBlasio–he just announced his presidential candidacy.
Another egotist in the clown car…this time, the clown car of Dems.
Was nothing learned from 2016?!
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I would be grateful if just one of the candidates running for President would have learned that standing up to oppose DFER and charter schools — yes, even “public charter schools” — would show the public that the party stands for something more than progressive platitudes.
Maybe de Blasio will be the first progressive candidate for President who actually dares to criticize DFER. Or Eva Moskowitz.
I won’t hold my breath – I have no doubt that de Blasio will be just as complicit in the destruction of public education as the rest of the candidates who refuse to criticize DFER or Moskowitz. Nothing at all about public education was learned in 2016.
But I’m sure all the candidates will be opposing vouchers and Betsy DeVos so we can all rest easy that they really are “progressive”.
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BTW, the “success” (& just whose “success” is being referred to? {Certainly not their students}) Their “stem of behavior management” sounds like something out of a horror movie–The Children of the Corn, for example, or The Boys from Brazil.
“Liam is still in magic five. Chastity is silent. Malia’s hands are locked. Kalia’s hands are locked. Kalia’s eyes* are right on me….Kalia is tracking Hendrick. Amari is tracking Hendrick.”
WTF???
Sounds like they’re hypnotizing these kids…so they can be programmed to be silent, unquestioning, unthinking & will eventually be trained well enough to become…low-wage/no-benefit WalMart workers.
*Empty, staring-straight-ahead-eyes…eyes with no soul…
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I fault Eva for her brazen dishonesty about skimming the best and culling the weak. However I cannot fault her for taking tough measures to prevent chaos in the schools. She goes too far, but most schools do not go nearly far enough. New rule: public schools get to start expelling kids with few restrictions and forcing Success to take them. Overnight, the public schools will cease to be “failing” schools. That’s how decisive this cadre of very difficult kids is. When will we ever face this fact honestly?
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