The Republican Party chair of Canadian County in Oklahoma wrote a letter proposing that the state stop financing public education.
Andrew Lopez, Republican Party chair for suburban Oklahoma City’s Canadian County, signed the letter sent last week. It requested that the state no longer manage the public school system, or at least consider consolidating school districts. Public schools should seek operational money from sponsorships, advertising, endowments and tuition fees instead of taxes, the letter says.
Other Republicans rebuked him and said that they planned to raise education funding.
Rep. Rhonda Baker, a former teacher and current chair of the House common education committee, tells The Oklahoman in an article published Thursday that increasing education funding remains one of her priorities for next year.
“I have always been and will continue to be a supporter of public education,” Baker said.
Oklahoma Republican Party Chair Pam Pollard said Lopez’s letter doesn’t reflect the party’s position.
But Lopez said the GOP lawmakers are betraying party principles, including through increasing the size of government. His letter also called for abolishing abortion and eliminating unnecessary business-licensing agencies.
“In government we have a system that says we believe it’s a good idea to take (money) from you by force to educate other people’s children,” Lopez said. “That doesn’t appear to be a fair deal to me.”
In the recent elections, 16 educators won seats in the Oklahoma Legislature. The education caucus grew to 25 lawmakers in office that come from an education background, whether that be a teacher or school administrator position. Sixteen are Republicans, nine are Democrats. Eight are in the Senate and 17 in the House.
Lopez’s letter demonstrates the importance of building strong support for public education.
The Founding Fathers, acting as the Continental Congress, passed the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which established the template for new states. It prohited slavery in the new states, and it set aside one of sixteen plots in each township for schooling. The ordinance began: “”Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
John Adams wrote in 1785:
the social science will never be much improved untill the People unanimously know and Consider themselvs as the fountain of Power and untill they Shall know how to manage it Wisely and honestly. reformation must begin with the Body of the People which can be done only, to affect, in their Educations. the Whole People must take upon themselvs the Education of the Whole People and must be willing to bear the expences of it. there should not be a district of one Mile Square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselvs they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen.
It seems that Mr. Lopez is unfamiliar with American history.

Diane “It seems that Mr. Lopez is unfamiliar with American history.”
. . . which points the question directly back to Lopez’s own educational background. Unfortunately, like with Trump, he probably thinks his own horizon or “gut” is the “Measure of All Things.” End of story. CBK
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perfect understanding of the Trump mind: I AM THE MEASURE OF ALL THINGS
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ciedie aech Trump is the poster boy for what a closed mind is and does; especially one fueled by an overblown, hyper-ego.
But in the context of history, it’s like a balloon being blown up that hasn’t QUITE popped yet . . . just a matter of time, and of what he takes with him when he explodes. CBK
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I do not think Trump is an idiot or closed minded. He just chooses to close his mind to what doesn’t seem to be to his advantage. It’s not to his advantage to listen to us.
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Mate Wierdl Self-imposed closed-mindedness, from Trump’s narrow idea of self-interest, is still closed-mindedness. And watch him–he doesn’t let anyone finish a sentence unless they are admiring him. The closer they get to the truth, the louder he becomes and the quicker he interrupts. CBK
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Lopez is a prime example of the sick, depraved, vile, degenerative, regressive, hostile, belligerent and anti-common good libertarian cult. Libertarianism is the bane of this country, it’s a road block to any sane or progressive legislation. Libertarianism used to be just a fringe but it has come to the main stream with guys like Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson, to name just a few.
This is way off topic, with apologies: Neil deGrass Tyson was on the New Firing Line Show with Margaret Hoover (don’t get me started on Buckley, Mr. Crypto-Fascist) and was commenting on the recent surge of flat earthism. Tyson said that he blamed the schools, that the schools had failed to teach geography or science properly! Oh no, this is not the first time that NDT has called the schools failing but he is so wrong. He’s blaming the schools because some ignoramuses believe the earth is flat?! I had multiple globes in my classroom and I explained in detail to the kids that the flat maps and Mercator projection maps distorted the continents and other geographic features because the earth is really a globe or sphere not to mention showing the astronauts’ pictures of the blue ball, earth. Somebody needs to straighten out NDG, he’s got to stop blaming the schools for the flat earthers and climate deniers. I had to vent.
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It is sad that these regressive, right wing libertarians are poisoning government with their selfish individualism. A few years ago we considered them radical and impractical. Now they are influencing policy, and Democrats are being called radical socialists.
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Don’t be surprised Tyson makes those false arguments; he also makes falacious arguments to shill for genetically- modified food.
The man is very, very bright, and a good performer, but don’t confuse that with wisdom.
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He’s just been accused of sexual misconduct. Charming man. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/neil-degrasse-tyson-sexual-misconduct-024520353.html
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The alleged groping simply a misunderstanding. He was just looking for Pluto.:-)
He stated that his alleged groping of Allers was an attempt to see whether a planetary tattoo on her arm that extended to her shoulder included Pluto.
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Looking for Pluto, but found Venus where he expected Pluto to be.
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Following the links, it appears that Mr. Lopez, the chair of the Republican Party in Canadian County in Oklahoma, originally proposed the complete defunding of public education. After some pushback, he allowed for a “transition” period.
Valerie Strauss posted the revised letter and the key lines from the original letter:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2018/11/27/republican-party-an-oklahoma-county-makes-clear-its-opposition-public-education/?utm_term=.2b3e0bef8118
The original letter left no ambiguity about abolishing public education, returning to the late 18th century:
“An earlier version of the letter, according to KFOR News 4, was more explicit: ‘A better pathway would be to abolish public education, which is not a proper role of government, and allow the free market to determine pay and funding, eliminating the annual heartache we experience over this subject.’”
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Lookin for Pluto (apologies to Johnny Lee, Lookin for Love)
I was lookin’ for Pluto in all the arm places
Lookin’ for Pluto in too many creases
searchin’ her arms and lookin’ for traces
of what I’m dreamin’ of.
Hopin’ to find a planet to recover
I’ll bless the day I discover
another heart lookin’ for Pluto
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You’re exactly right, Joe. I have students INSIST to me that the earth is flat. They refuse to believe the truth. I also have multiple globes in my classroom and discuss map projections, but some kids will only believe the garbage on conspiracy theory media.(often introduced to them by their parents or other relatives). We can’t fight against that.
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Well, I guess I don’t want any of my federal tax dollars to go for any benefits in Oklahoma since I don’t live in OK. Sorry, but that’s not how it works! I really hate when people use the “why should I/we pay to (insert activity) other people’s children” . At some point, those children will become the adults that will be taking care of those that have denied them…..and Karma is a _itch.
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We pay for the fire department even if we do not have a fire. Educating children benefits society as a whole without regard to our personal status.
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San Mateo, CAL, and many other communities have privatized their fire protection. Fire protection can be provided by private firms, at a lower cost, and more efficiently. Residents of San Mateo (and other communities) pay equal or lower fire insurance rates with communities that have government-operated fire protection.
Education is a bargain. It is far more cost-effective to have an educated citizenry. Educated people are more productive, and are far less likely to wind up on welfare or in prison.
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Charles Educated people are also commonly better able to understand
the inherent ills of privatization, and why everything, including fire protection
and education, should not be privatized.
In case you didn’t know, the criteria for judgment of what is good is not
always whether it makes money or not. CBK
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Privatized fire departments? What happens if you can’t afford to pay the fees to the privatized fire department? Do they allow your house to burn to the ground? Many communities have volunteer fire departments but they are not free. Someone has to pay for the fire engines, fire hoses, all the equipment, insurances, water infrastructure, training for the firemen, etc. That’s all paid through taxes. Private fire departments use the publicly funded roads, the publicly funded water infrastructure (water mains, fire hydrants, sewer systems, etc.). Without the publicly funded infrastructure, private fire departments could not function.
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In the early 19th century, NYC had private fire departments. When a fire happened, the fire companies rushed to the fire to see who could get there first and collect for putting out the fire. All too often, the fire companies would arrive at the same time and fight one another while the house burned down, along with its neighbors.
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In the Stossel-Rand-Koch-Friedman-Buchanan-Hajek world, fighting over anything is good. People die or starve? Life can be tough for losers in a race, but that’s the normal, since, as in every competition, there are very few winners in the economy-race, so the natural state of society is the few winners exploiting the big mass of losers.
Gates and the Waltons may be simply overly greedy people, but the above ones are fueled and blindfolded by ideology.
The far right thinks similarly about society, except they replace “winners” by “the chosen ones”.
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Chas,
Do you have a source for that fire insurance information? If so, please share. Thanks!
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San Mateo Calif has contracted out their fire protection services to private firms for some years now. see
https://www.cfsfire.org/
Privatizing fire protection is just like privatizing other services like road building. Not all communities have their own engineers and asphalt trucks, so they take bids, and have their road construction/maintenance done by private contracting firms.
@Joe : What San Mateo Cal, (and other communities) do, is collect taxes from the citizenry, and then hire a private firm to do fire protection for the community. Every citizen in the community pays taxes, and every citizen is entitled to fire protection. If your house catches fire in San Mateo, the fire protection firm will make every effort to save your house.
Scottsdale Ariz. has privatized their garbage collection and recycling. see
https://www.republicservices.com/locations/arizona/scottsdale/85260
The private firm is selected by the community to provide the service.
In most (NOT ALL) cases, a private firm can provide municipal services to a community, at a lower cost, and more efficiently, than a government-run operation.
@Duane: Fire insurance rates for San Mateo Cal , run about $601-$813 per year see
https://vhomeinsurance.com/san-mateo-ca-home-insurance-hi23864/
This is about on a par with neighboring communities. Just plug in the zip code for San Francisco or Santa Clara, and you can get a price quote.
Canada has privatized their air traffic control system, nationwide. Canada has an accident rate per passenger mile, that is equal to or lower than the USA. And the costs of the ATC is lower!
There is serious consideration about converting the USA ATC system to a wholly private system.
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I like THIS idea: Karma Is An Itch 🙂
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Oh I didn’t realize OK financed its public schools…
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Now that’s a good one!
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I’d like to see the whole letter, word for word.
Did the template for this come from the Stanford Innovation Lab?
The Clayton Christensen Institute for Disriptive Innovation?
The people at New Profit?
The Ad council of America?
The Non-Profit Education Strategy Group?
From Betst Wetsy?
Will the state send the federal dollars they receive to the Republican Party?
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The surprise is that the letter’s signers didn’t include Koch’s ALEC.
In feudal societies, children aren’t educated.
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I adore the Adams quote.
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Adam’s forward thinking in the 1700’s vs. Koch/Gates colonialism.
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What’s sick and scary is that elected officials and wannabes made this guy their chairman. And, that there are people who elect officials who support guys like this.
Hmmm, sound familiar?
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“”In government we have a system that says we believe it’s a good idea to take (money) from you by force to educate other people’s children,” Lopez said. “That doesn’t appear to be a fair deal to me.”
As Joe said, Lopez clearly is under the influence of the libertarian drug, the most dangerous drug against democracy in existence, and it probably entered his system through a sum of “donation” by the Koch brothers, the undisputed mob-leaders of libertarians.
According to Duke University’s Nancy MacLean’s book Democracy in Chains, the whole Republican Party is under the influence, since the drug has been administered by the Kochs since the seventies.
The book also points out that libertarians have teamed up with the far right, like DeVos, for this takeover, which is all the more mind boggling since libertarians are mostly atheists.
Another guy under the influence is John Stossel (yes, the enigmatic ex 60 minutes reporter), who even has a website to advise teachers (and whoever listens) how to spread libertarian ideas in schools.
https://stosselintheclassroom.org/
Libertarian drug dealing also happens at public universities (apologies to the accomplished writers here)
Over the past 10 years, the Charles Koch Foundation has “donated” to over 300 universities. The intent of these donations is to advance their particular political agenda, and at schools such as George Mason University, Florida State University, and West Virginia University the donors have had the ability to pick which faculty are hired, what curriculum is taught, and which students they will fund.
Click to access kochoped3.pdf
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John Stossel is one of the worst, he actually made the argument for price gouging during emergencies. He opined that it was perfectly OK if someone charged $20 or $30 dollars for a bottle of water during some natural disaster. I really wish that wrestler had ripped his libertarian head off instead of just slapping him upside his head.
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Joe I also smell Ayn Rand’s influence. CBK
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This brings to mind John Rogers quote…
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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And any mention of Ayn Rand brings to mind Darwin’s quote on the importance of empathy in long term survival.
With mankind, selfishness, experience, and imitation, probably add, as Mr. Bain has shewn, to the power of sympathy; for we are led by the hope of receiving good in return to perform acts of sympathetic kindness to others; and sympathy is much strengthened by habit. In however complex a manner this feeling may have originated, as it is one of high importance to all those animals which aid and defend one another, it will have been increased through natural selection; for those communities, which included the greatest number of the most sympathetic members, would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.
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Mate Wierdl From Darwin in your note: “. . . for we are led by the hope of receiving good in return to perform acts of sympathetic kindness to others; . . . ”
Well, that’s the transactional part of love, but not the whole picture. . . . that is, of just loving someone in the sense of identifying with them, and hurting or being happy when they are hurting and being happy (sympathizing), as we do with our children and many others. Darwin may have noted this in other aspects of his writing (I don’t know and haven’t read him for a long time). But sympathy and love are not only transactional. We do them spontaneously, in most cases, without even thinking about or having “hope of receiving good in return.” The good we receive in return, if we can stretch his remark, is just the well-being, even giddiness, we spontaneously experience when all is well with those we love. CBK
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Isn’t that what he refers to in the second sentence? Is a nurturing and protective mother animal hoping for something in return from her offspring?
The point is that nurturing and empathy is key in evolution and for survival, and it is overemphasis on individualism which is “unnatural”, and hence its proponents and practitioners shouldn’t be tolerated since their pet system is not good for the long term survival of humanity. Their objectivism is fantasy, and has no relationship to reality.
The forced and unnatural “competition” promoted by the Kochs and their small group of friends and fans create hundreds of millions of losers in this country alone. Research that would support such a set up as viable is only in the imagination of libertarians.
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Mate Wierdl From your note: “Isn’t that what he (Darwin) refers to in the second sentence? Is a nurturing and protective mother animal hoping for something in return from her offspring?”
Certainly a wondrous thing. . . . and has massive implications for human beings who, in a hugely different context, have a moral character that is developmental.
However, Darwin’s reduction of the situation, whether animal or human, to the language of transaction, ironically, feeds into the fundamental ideas of those you are (rightly, in my view) criticizing for their singular, hierarchical (winners and losers) view of the world. . . . not the first such irony that history has shown us. CBK
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In Dan Ariely’s book “Predictably Irrational,” he makes a distinction between two different kinds of transactions. One is a market transaction, where you pay for what you get. The other is based on social relationships, love, kindness. He clarifies the distinction like this: Suppose you go to your mother-in-law’s family Thanksgiving. At the end of the dinner, you stand up and say, “The food was wonderful, let me give you a tip of $20.” That changes a social relationship into a market relationship, and you alienate your mother-in-law and your wife and everyone else.
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dianeravitch Good example. In my ethics classes, I used the example of
passing out business cards at a funeral, or more subtly, having a Tupperware
party for one’s “friends and family members” at one’s house; or even a
“network party.”
Neither will get you a jail sentence; but for all three, there is a principle of
authenticity that is breached by “using” someone, or an “ends” event, like
a birthday or funeral, for one’s later and other purposes (as means
to another unrelated end).
In his Ethics, more generally, Aristotle talks about confusing ends with
the means; and even Kant writes in his ethics about always treating people
as ends, rather than as means to some other end.
Again, it’s been awhile since I read Darwin, but I don’t remember his making
such a clear distinction between principles. Regardless, when that distinction
is overlooked by ignorance or by conscious intention, we are bound to err on
the side of one or the other and so to invite the extreme. For someone like
Darwin or Rand, the mistake can multiply like a cancer and become a cultural
surd, as in: “absurdity.”
The transactional principle, operating alone without our being aware of a
higher principle that is present and called for in different contexts, is
fundamental to the Ayn Rand (and so many others’) distortion. To read her
as if she were the end-run of philosophical discourse is like mistaking
Al Capone for Ghandi, Trump for Plato, chicken xxxx for chicken salad. CBK
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John Stossel is also a global warming denier.
A typical twit who knows nothing at all about science who thinks he knows more than scientists.
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I think these guys are really smart. But they have this philosophy that during the race to the top in the economy, anything can be used. If it comes to denying the existence of global warming or pollution, it is allowed and even desirable to lobby against them. The needs of the economy trump facts. It follows that they need to make professionals who may produce these facts shut up, or at least get their work discredited.
The way they think is that the majority 99% uses its muscles to take away the minority 1%’s well earned money in the form of taxes, and then they spend the money on themselves by funding all kinds of public goods, such as schools, national parks, medicaid. social security. In their view, taxes should be used only to maintain the military and police so that they can effectively protect the interest and wealth of the 1%.
I think these people are very good at what they are doing. After all, they managed to infiltrate all parts of society, from schools to Capitol Hill, though their antidemocratic ideas are unpopular even among conservatives, and they are a very (very) small minority.
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Many of them are smart, but from what I have observed of Stossel, he is not among them.
He actually seems to believe his own BS, which the smart ones dont.
A good example of a smart one who does not believe his own BE is Rex Tillerson, former head of Exxon Mobil. His companys own scientist have long known about both the science and dangers of global warming but he nonetheless continued to deny it.
Stossel, in contrast, is just an idiot.
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J. Adams:
they must be taught to reverence themselves instead of adoreing their servants their Generals, Admirals, Bishops, and Statesmen.
Enter divide and rule. Negate intrinsic ( reverence themselves/self approval)
in favor of extrinsic (approval of others)…A MUST, for group-think, oops,
teamwork…conformity.
Self reliance, has no seat, on the capitulate- to- names/titles/ranks- train.
Get them “solitary thought” outliers onboard. Bring them into the “fold”
by projecting a symmetry of interests or goals.
If they happen to sense a lack of symmetry, in the distribution of the
“benefit”, blame somebody. Get a debate going, centered around WHO
is right, (in the world they think they know), by defining WHO is wrong.
POINT:
How is it we “believe” that some humans are “better” than others, and
by what measures do we assess this difference, and WHY?
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Education and the Welfare State…https://educationandfreedom.com/2017/10/29/first-blog-post/
The Foundational Cause of Our American Discontent…https://educationandfreedom.com/2018/11/03/the-foundational-cause-of-our-american-discontent/
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Wow, very good stuff, and very clearly written. Thanks!
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Libertarian codswallop poorly disguised as GOP ideology, why am I not surprised?
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