Frank Bruni of the New York Times reviewed a new biography of Mike Pence.
Who is he? A religious zealot.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Like his friend Betsy DeVos, he is on a mission from God.
He writes:
“Trade Trump for Pence and you go from kleptocracy to theocracy.
“That’s the takeaway from a forthcoming book by the journalists Michael D’Antonio, who previously wrote “The Truth About Trump,” and Peter Eisner. It’s titled “The Shadow President: The Truth About Mike Pence,” it will be published on Aug. 28 and it’s the most thorough examination of the vice president’s background to date…
“The book persuasively illustrates what an ineffectual congressman he was, apart from cozying up to the Koch brothers, Betsy DeVos and other rich Republican donors; the clumsiness and vanity of his one term as governor of Indiana, for which he did something that predecessors hadn’t and “ordered up a collection of custom-embroidered clothes — dress shirts, polo shirts, and vests and jackets — decorated with his name and the words Governor of Indiana”; the strong possibility that he wouldn’t have won re-election; his luck in being spared that humiliation by the summons from Trump, who needed an outwardly bland, intensely religious character witness to muffle his madness and launder his sins; and the alacrity with which he says whatever Trump needs him to regardless of the truth.
“In Pence’s view, any bite marks in his tongue are divinely ordained. Trump wouldn’t be president if God didn’t want that; Pence wouldn’t be vice president if he weren’t supposed to sanctify Trump. And his obsequiousness is his own best route to the Oval Office, which may very well be God’s grand plan…
“So it’s time to look harder at Pence. “The Shadow President” does. It lays out his disregard for science, evident in his onetime insistence that smoking doesn’t cause cancer and a belief that alarms about climate change were “a secret effort to increase government control over people’s lives for some unstated diabolical purpose,” according to the book.
“It suggests callousness at best toward African-Americans. As governor, Pence refused to pardon a black man who had spent almost a decade in prison for a crime that he clearly hadn’t committed. He also ignored a crisis — similar to the one in Flint, Mich. — in which people in a poor, largely black Indiana city were exposed to dangerously high levels of lead. D’Antonio told me: “I think he’s just as driven by prejudice as Trump is…”
“You can thank Pence for DeVos. They are longtime allies, going back decades, who bonded over such shared passions as making it O.K. for students to use government money, in the form of vouchers, at religious schools. Pence cast the tiebreaking vote in the Senate to confirm her as education secretary. It was the first time in history that a vice president had done that for a cabinet nominee.
Fiercely opposed to abortion, Pence once spoke positively on the House floor about historical figures who “actually placed it beyond doubt that the offense of abortion was a capital offense, punishable even by death.” He seemed to back federal funds for anti-gay conversion therapy. He promoted a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
“He is absolutely certain that his moral view should govern public policy,” D’Antonio told me.”
This was recorded last year but it still is very current. Pence is mentioned. Thank you, Diane, for bringing more information about what would happen if Trump is impeached or sent to jail. Is Pence any better? He is a disaster in ‘religious’ clothing. It is hard to understand why people support either Trump or Pence. What do they have to offer except hatred, fear and oppression? Pence’s version of ‘morality’ should NOT govern public policy.
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Stupid Watergate: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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Published on May 21, 2017
John Oliver discusses the shocking magnitude and potential impact of the latest revelations surrounding the Russia investigation.
So long as Republicans control the Senate, there will be no impeachment proceedings because the Senate will not vote to impeach him.
Taking the House, however, means investigations of Trump scandals and no money appropriated for harebrained garbage.
You can have impeachment proceedings even if there’s no chance of the Senate voting to impeach. We saw that with President Clinton. So if the Democrats take the House, they very well may have the ability to impeach Trump. Barring any mindblowing and gamechanging findings by Mueller–and possibly even including such findings–I think that would be a bad decision, because (1) the Senate (even under Democratic control) will certainly vote to acquit Trump and, more important, (2) the impeachment proceedings would likely have the effect of swinging public sentiment in Trump’s favor.
Sorry, meant to type “even if there’s no chance of the Senate voting to convict.”
Laurence Tribe, Harvard law professor, opposes impeaching Trump because impeachment and removal requires 2/3 of Senate. Losing the vote makes Trump a martyr
Yes, that is basically my point. And the Democrats will certainly lose the vote.
Richard Nixon stepped down knowing the House was going to impeach him if he did not. Nixon also knew he had covered up real crimes.
The reason Clinton did not step down is that he didn’t actually commit a serious crime. In fact, a special prosecutor with even more power than Mueller was finding no evidence of any crimes and he spent many years and countless subpoenas looking. Finally, some right wing lawyers very close to some of Starr’s staff learned that a woman was taping a former intern telling about her sexual encounters with the President.
Soon after Linda Tripp met with those right wing lawyers with her tapes, she stopped asking Monica to tell details of her sexual encounters and started egging her on to ask President Clinton for a job. I’m sure it was just a coincidence that Tripp starting egging on Monica to ask the President to help her commit a crime soon after Tripp took her tapes of the affair to right wing lawyers. Just a coincidence.
If the only thing Mueller found was a very embarrassing sexual affair that Trump wanted to keep quiet and he put Trump under oath in the hopes of embarrassing him into committing perjury, then Trump should not be impeached. If that had been Richard Nixon’s only “crime”, he should not have resigned.
But it is clear that Trump had his people take a meeting with Russians offering dirt on his political opponent, which is very similar to Watergate — doing something illegal to help your campaign. It is clear that soon after that meeting, Trump changed the platform to Putin’s position on the Ukraine.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.7e1a750689eb
Just read this article from July 2016, before anyone had any idea of all these meetings to understand how much Trump was doing Putin’s bidding.
Trump is corrupt and if we believe in democracy, it is the job of the House to impeach him and the Senate to vote him out of office if he hasn’t already resigned.
Making a decision based on “politics” is absurd. Congress should do the right thing, period. If we believe in the rule of law.
If the House impeached Trump, the Senate would not approve it.
I agree the Senate probably would not approve it. But if the House knows that Trump has committed illegal acts, it is their duty to impeach him. Otherwise, democracy is a sham.
And if the Republican Senators want to demonstrate their fealty to Trump over democracy and condone criminal behavior, they should be forced to do so publicly. Anyway, that is my opinion. That democracy cannot be sustained if both parties only care about their own success instead of democracy itself. The Democrats need to stand up for democracy even if they lose votes (and I am not convinced that having some Republican Senators publicly endorsing crimes by Trump will help their party.)
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. Republicans are choosing party over country. They all need to buy themselves new flags.
Pence is no better than Trump and possibly worse on some issues (although it’s hard to see how he would have done anything different.) If and when Trump is gone, the focus will turn to Pence.
However, Trump is not just awful, but he is a cult leader. That is his danger. I don’t think Pence has that power over some voters. I certainly hope I am right about that. But I also believe that Nazi Germany could not have existed as it was had Hitler himself stepped down or been killed or died, and some other Nazi party successor replaced him during his earliest years in power.
“A republic, madam, if you can keep it.”
Pence is as, or more dangerous than Trump. What Trump doesn’t destroy in his term, Pence will surely destroy if he becomes President. Thanks for this article.
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Pence is either a theocratic kleptocrat or a kleptocratic theocrat? Not to worry, gargoyles like Cruz, Kasich, Romney, Rubio, Ryan, Paul, etc., ad nauseam, are standing in the wings to take Pence’s place if he should falter or misstep. The GOP is a horror show of pseudo-religious reactionaries, Ayn Randites and libertarians.
You beat me to it, verbatim in your first sentence. Pence was a smarmy tool when he was a member of Congress, an even more vicious tool when he became governor, and—hard as it is to believe—an even worse representative of the human race as Veep. And anyone who can’t be in a room alone with a woman, even on business, is not worth taking seriously. It is another example of a very damaged psyche and warped sense of values.
This expose on Pence is as expected. I have been following the twisted pretzel logic of many right wing Christians here in the Florida Panhandle. They share Pence’s world view. They are blind zealots that would follow Trump off a cliff as they see him as an anointed “angel.” Scandals, facts, investigations will not undo their unflappable, delusional faith. With each episode of the unraveling of Trump’s administration, they go to the Bible and pull out verses to sustain and support their unwavering loyalty to him. Make no mistake. These are modern day crusaders, and they will show up to vote.
Yes Pence is a religious nutjob, Not sure how much more damage he could do to double-down on Trump’s already libertarian-/ TP-/ evangelist- pleasing cabinet & SCOTUS selections, but I suspect his foreign policy would be less nerve-wrackingly radical; he has more respect for norms of institutional process.
He certainly is an ideological twin to DeVos [but then she’s already in catbird seat], as evidenced by his actions as Gov of Indiana:
“Pence helped [expand Indiana’s voucher program to one of the largest in the country] by advocating to expand [it] to include middle-income, not just low-income families, and also by removing the cap on how many students qualify. Since those changes, the number of students receiving taxpayer funds to attend a private school, religious or not [article notes elsewhere, in fact virtually all IN voucher schools are religious], has grown from 4,000 to more than 30,000 students in five years.”
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/20/486654015/what-did-pence-do-for-schools-as-governor-heres-a-look
To give the devil his due, Pence backed a law that reined in the most egregious aspects of charter inaccountability, and refused $80M fed charter support [only because of his TP aversion to fed aid of course]… But that’s overshadowed by his unprecedented power grab over elected ed official Glenda Ritz by establishing a parallel more-powerful govr-puppet ed agency, then attempting to replace even her thus-diminished position by his appointee.
Pence has been stumping in a gerrymandered, very red congressional district in Ohio to get Balderson elected on Aug. 7. Balderson wasn’t willing to return his ECOT campaign donations for a very long time. He’s been forced to drag along the endorsement of OSU wrestling scandal’s Jim Jordan, the dimmest bulb in the U.S. House.
If Danny O’Connor can beat Balderson, it will be a good day for America.
Linda,
Thanks for the info. I will send a campaign donation to Danny O’Connor
O’Connor’s lucky to be on your radar, Diane.
Pence is whatever the Koch money pays him to be. That means he doesn’t really believe in anything except what he is paid to portray. Kleptocracy IS his religion. The rest is a well-funded, vicious and destructive stage play.
And the fact that the Koch Brothers are parting with Trump could be bad news… And for those seeking impeachment, think twice! President Pence might be a more formidable candidate in 2020 than President Trump…
wgersen: I still haven’t decided who would be worse. Pence has a smidgeon of political stability even if it is just for all the wrong causes. He ‘looks’ the part of of a political leader. I think that is what is bad about him. Too many people don’t know how bad he would be. Trump is unstable and totally unfit, The big question is whether or not his loyal followers would carryover to Pence. They might or might not. The Orange one can do no wrong. There is money for Fox in their fake news. That stance most likely would carry over to any conservative they wanted appointed president.
BarStool Sports has devoted a lot of time to articles about Pence. Worth a read.
Scariest part if impeached before his full term, Pence could serve for 10 years
True, but Trump/Pence together could serve for 16 years.
Barring a Mueller report that is absolutely earth-shattering in its revelations of clear collusion between Trump and Russian agents, there is approximately zero chance that two thirds of the Senate would vote to impeach Trump.
I mean to convict. My god, will I never stop typing “impeach” when I want to type “convict.”
I had a conversation with a friend of mine who does not share my politics. Witching the conversation, I was obliged to try to explain the process of impeachment, then trial before the senate, then exoneration or conviction by vote. He did not understand the idea because he had come from believing that impeachment was the trial. When we were done, I could tell he did not understand, and was loathe to accept what I said on face value.
The House votes to impeach after a trial—or not.
If the Houses votes to impeach, the Senate may or may not vote to convict, by a 2/3 majority.
I have often looked upon the founding fathers with great wonder, no more than when they inserted this into the constitution. Such foresight would never be expected today of a group of men who accepted slavery, practiced misogyny, and foreshadowed imperialism. Such is the development of human thought, that we see beyond our own age in the development of institutions which open humanity up to more possibilities.
Those of us who live in Indiana are all too well informed as to Pence. Signs were all over the place when he was governor here to impeach him. Pence must go. A religious zealot to be sure and all the more dangerous because of that.
If Muller’s investigation takes down Trump, we can “pray” to the God of everyone (not Pence’s god) that the investigation also takes down Pence, and that a progressive Democrat is in the #3 spot to become president.
That would be the Speaker of the House of Representatives — who will that be if the Democrats take back the House in the 2018 midterms?
That’s what happened when Nixon resigned and Agnew was already gone. Ford, the Speaker of the House of Representatives became VP to replace Agnew, and then he became president and pardoned Nixon.
If that happens, would that Democrat pardon Trump? If Pence becomes President, the odds are strong that he’d pardon Trump.
Be assured that Mike Pence is much deeper in the Russia quagmire than it appears. He is a theocrat, a member of the Christian Taliban. He’s a liar, a hypocrite, a charlatan.
That people actually believe Mike Pence – or Trump – about anything suggests that there are lots of very cognitively challenged anti-democratic, anti-Constitution people in this country.
Trump is an illegitimate office holder, so by extension, all his appointments, all his cabinet members, including SCOTUS, and all his policies are also illegitimate. Those in the line of succession are also illegitimate.
My hope is that Mueller comes first for Pence. The GOP may be thrown far enough off if that occured that perhaps a few might convince Trump to step away.
As to McConnell, I’m hoping Mueller has proof that he knew there was Russian interference when he refused to hold hearings for Garland.
We’ll need a new paradigm because the founders never anticipated this depth of corruption. Yes, I’m an optimist.
It has been widely reported that Obama met with McConnell to discuss Russian interference in the election before the election.
McConnell warned him not to make it public.