Giuliani made some amazing remarks today, which are explained in this article in the Washington Post.
There is more in the story that is fascinating, but I can’t repost in full.
“Whenever Rudolph W. Giuliani makes a new round of television appearances saying false, curious or just bizarre things in defense of his client, President Trump, some people inevitably ask why he keeps getting invited back on these programs. But there’s a great value to Giuliani’s appearances. They tell us what the president is thinking about special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation into the Russia scandal — and what he’s afraid of.
“They also serve as a kind of briefing to Trump’s supporters: Here’s the new defense of Trump’s actions, so you’d better get ready to repeat this argument, however ridiculous it might be.
“This morning, Giuliani appeared on Fox & Friends and CNN’s New Day, and said some very interesting things. Let’s begin with this portion of the CNN interview, in which he was trying to argue that Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign chairman who is about to go on trial for a panoply of crimes, barely had anything to do with the campaign or Trump himself:
[Guiliani said:] “Four months, they’re not going to be colluding about Russians, which I’m not even [sure] if that’s a crime, colluding about Russians. You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime, the hacking is the crime. Well, the president didn’t hack! He didn’t pay them for hacking!
“There’s something else important Giuliani said on CNN, but before we get to that, here’s how he reiterated the point on Fox:
[Guiliani said] “I’ve been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find “collusion” as a crime. Collusion is not a crime.
“In a very strict sense, Giuliani is right that there isn’t a particular crime called “collusion.” But that’s kind of like saying that if you walked into an Apple Store, stuffed an iPhone in your pants and walked out, you’re innocent because the criminal code makes no specific reference to “stuffing an iPhone in your pants.”
“Now it’s possible that Trump himself, or someone on the Trump campaign, could have “colluded” with Russia to commit an act that is not illegal and, therefore, they wouldn’t be guilty of any crime. For instance, they could have colluded to find the best taco truck in Manhattan. They could even have discussed some kind of policy initiative that they would cooperatively pursue if Trump became president. But the real problem with the “collusion is not a crime” argument is that if they cooperated to do almost anything that helped Trump in his election campaign, then it would have been illegal.
“As Randall Eliason lays out here, there are multiple crimes under which any cooperation between the Russian government and the Trump campaign could potentially fall. If the campaign sought and/or received damaging information on its opponent from sources connected to the Russian government, it would almost certainly be in violation of this statute, which prohibits “a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution” from a foreign national for the purpose of a political campaign. A contribution could be money, but it could also be any other “thing of value,” and dirt on your opponent would seem to qualify. In addition to the crime of accepting the contribution, they could also be charged with conspiracy to violate election laws, or with aiding and abetting another person’s crime.
“It’s important to remember that the Trump defense on Russia has gone through numerous iterations, ranging from outright lies to laughable assertions. First they said nobody on the campaign ever talked to any Russians. Then they said they may have talked to Russians but didn’t have any planned meetings. Then they said that they had a planned meeting with Russians but didn’t collude with Russians. And now they’re saying that even if they did collude with Russians, that’s okay because collusion isn’t a crime.”
Isn’t it time to admit that our politics have crossed over into Cloud Cookoo-Land?

“…it would almost certainly be in violation of this statute, which prohibits “a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution” from a foreign national for the purpose of a political campaign.”
So, that would apply to the Clinton campaign’s solicitation of the Steele dossier too, right?
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Say what???
The Steele dossier was paid for by a right wing newspaper and then the cost was picked up by the Clinton campaign.
What foreign government are you claiming paid for it? Britain?
What contribution by a foreign government was made to the Clinton campaign that caused them to change their platform and act to do that government’s bidding?
Instead of innuendo, would it be too much to ask you to explain why you once again are claiming that Trump is no worse than the Clinton campaign?
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Dienne77 often reacts without fact checking — similar to how Trump reacts.
The Role of the Steele Dossier
Did the FBI Pay Steele for Dossier?
Allegations of Undisclosed Bias
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/trumps-spin-democratic-memo/
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Wrong: it would certainly be treason as much so as the Rosenbergs were not convicted of treason but a criminal conspiracy against the United States under the espionage act.
But paying a private citizen for opposition research is not the same as accepting a gift from a foreign hostile foreign government in exchange for a quid quo pro on policy changes. Including a 500 billion dollar oil deal with Rex and Putin. Sanctions and the lifting of them the discussion all along.
But Clinton hiding the payment would be. Nothing was hidden. A law firm was hired to do opposition research. That law firm among other projects paid for the Dossier the payments to the law firm were disclosed.
I am sorry to disappoint you but Hillary would be behind bars already if Trump hadn’t been told there was no way the case would not have been laughed out of court as soon as charges were filed.
But thou dust protest too much
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“Isn’t it time to admit that our politics have crossed over into Cloud Cookoo-Land?”
We crossed that line on June 15, 2015 when the Orange behemoth and his concubine floated down the faux golden escalator.
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Regarding Trump. Since all of his “fingers” and other appendages are so tiny, I suspect there is a lot of room in his pants to hide and store purloined items from store shelves.
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Dienne77 – Your whataboutisms cannot deflect the fact that the president secured the aid of an enemy power to steal the election. His conspiracy with Russia to smear Clinton lays bare his treasonous illegitimacy.
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With the passage of each day, Giuliani is getting to look more and more like Nosferatu. Giuliani and Trump, phew, a combo from one’s worst nightmare, it’s right out of some science-fiction novel.
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Nosferatu is my nightmare too.
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I wouldn’t be surprised to read that Trump tweeted that he was the president of Russia one day because he forgot what country he was president of.
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Never heard of Nosferatu. Thanks for making me look. I still do not know the story, so I missed your metaphor. At least I learned he was a fictitious vampire (another name for a carnivorous umpire)
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Nosfetatu is just Dracula, basically. FW Murnau’s adaptation of the Bram Stoker novella, re-made brilliantly again by Werner Herzog starring Klaus Kinski.
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Giuliani looks like a character in a Tim Burton film, and he acts like one too.
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Those two (Giuliani & Trump) talk but what they say makes no sense three quarters of the time. Giuliani talked up a storm about meetings and who was there, there was no meeting, talked to witnesses who said the meeting never happened and Trump wasn’t there…. ???
How can you be a witness to a meeting that never happened about what was said in that meeting?
Cover up and lying about the cover up is a crime.
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Guilliani is attempting to get ‘in front’ of braking news to distort it.
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YES. The trouble for Trump is that Guilliani doesn’t do that particular job at all well; perhaps he is just getting old and cannot keep track of what he is being said and what SHOULD be said?
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Lordy, ciedie…. Trump is senile! I met Gulliani… his son was best friends with a kid in my class whose mom was a publicist for his wife.
What a little man, little mind.. but a big fraud.
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Speaking of corruption of the elites- The Hill has an article about a planned protest against Mayor 1%.
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Want to raise money for the Network for Public Education? Start a 50/50 pool on the date that the POTUS fires Rudy Giuliani… everyone contributes $5 and the winner gets half the money with NPE getting the balance…
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Trump is running out of lawyers but since he is a “stable genius,” after he fires Rudi, he’ll just represent himself through the court of public opinion on Twitter.
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Listen to Giuliani to learn what Trump is thinking
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Anyone who listens to Giuliani (on anything) should have his head examined to see if there is anything inside.
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Good one! Although some might say there’s real art in there! 🙂
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That’s Giuliani’s brain without drugs.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/07/31/rudy-giuliani-is-sinking-fast/?utm_term=.a896c9501e61&wpisrc=nl_popns&wpmm=1
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SDP: juxtaposition of scribbles and Shakespeare. You have a delightfully disturbed intelligence.
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Treasonous and his wackadoodle attack poodle, all fire and flurry. Treasonous doesn’t really need the poodle to bite, as he thinks Twitter is a real-life Mortal Combat video game.
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Have a laugh, a video of Rudy in drag smooching with Trump:
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More tiresome drivel about Russian election meddling. The most amazing thing about this narrative is that the “who” can be talked about endlessly with little to no mention of the “what”. The “what” at the center of it all, of course, is that the Democratic National Committee, including Hillary Clinton and DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, rigged their party’s primary in favor of Clinton and against Bernie Sanders. This is not speculation or the result of a political witch-hunt — as is true of the Mueller investigation — but a fact laid bare in the very emails contained on the server of the DNC, which, interestingly enough, was never turned over to the F.B.I. for forensic analysis.
Clinton, Wasserman Schultz, and other DNC officials actively conspired against Sanders, targeting his Jewish faith and slandering Jeff Weaver, his Campaign Manager. The leaked emails also showed that Clinton’s campaign colluded with CNN political commentator Donna Brazile, who amazingly went on to become interim DNC Chair when Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down. So here you have irrefutable documented collusion and election rigging of the highest degree, not between Putin and Trump, but between Hillary Clinton, CNN and the DNC.
Yet somehow all this has gone neatly down the Memory Hole. And in its place, in spectacular Orwellian fashion, comes the narrative that “Russia Hacked the Election.” To this day the extent of Russian meddling is still debatable, yet the news has been “rectified,” and history has been rewritten. Trump cheated. He’s illegitimate. He colluded with Russia to steal the election.
The next time the “Russia Election Meddling” narrative comes up, I’d like to see President Trump resurrect the what and the how along with it. Take Trump’s recent interview with CBS Evening News anchor Jeff Glor, for example. Wouldn’t it be great if the exchange went something like this:
GLOR: “You say you agree with U.S. intelligence that Russia meddled in the election in 2016.”
TRUMP: “You mean when Russia supposedly exposed all the DNC’s corruption? Is that what you mean by meddling, Jeff? Yeah, I support our intelligence community, absolutely. If they say Russian nationals are the ones who showed the DNC was rigged, that the Clinton campaign colluded with CNN’s Donna Brazile and the media, and slandered Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager Jeff Weaver, calling him a ‘liar’ and an ‘ass,’ then yes, I believe them. Did you know, Jeff, that Debbie Wasserman Schultz actually wanted to use Bernie Sanders’ Jewish faith against him? How reprehensible. You know, Jeff, the fact that Crooked Hillary and her DNC cronies could rig an election, could use the media to rig the Democratic primary is beyond shameful.”
GLOR: “But you haven’t condemned Putin, specifically. Do you hold him personally responsible?”
TRUMP: “Absolutely. It must be made clear to Putin that America will not stand for such interference in our elections. If U.S. intelligence says it’s Russia, than I stand by them. If our experts can prove Russian nationals were the ones that exposed the horrendous actions of Hillary and the DNC, then I want something done about it immediately. Did you know, Jeff, that in June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the DNC for violating their Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries? Did you know that? Do you remember what Harry Reid admitted in July 2016 about the DNC? He said, ‘I knew — everybody knew — that this was not a fair deal.’ Unbelievable. And somehow that lawsuit was dismissed by the courts. You know why? Because they ruled that the DNC was allowed to rig their own primary! What kind of a world do we live in, Jeff?”
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We have not had any MAGA comments lately.
Unfortunately, Phyllis, the entire world saw Trump stand next to Putin, acting like an obsequious puppy dog.
Next Phyllis will tell us that Trump did not commit adultery with Stormy Daniels and did not pay off the Playmate of the Month for his year-long affair with her.
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phillystyle71, I have one word for another obvious sockpuppet troll.
“Idiot”
From the Los Angeles Times — the headline is misleading but the rest isn’t
“Pivotal moments in Mueller’s Trump investigation: 5 guilty pleas, 17 indictments and more”
“It’s been one year since Robert S. Mueller III was appointed as special counsel to probe Russian interference in the presidential election. His work has spawned a web of investigations digging deeper into President Trump’s inner circle. Here’s a look at how the cases have developed and how politicians have reacted to them.”
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-mueller-investigation-one-year/
The proper headline should have said, “Pivotal moments in Mueller’s Russian interference in US presidential election: 5 guilty pleas, 17 indictments, and counting”
The letter appointing Mueller Special Counsel doesn’t mention Donald Trump, but if the evidence leads to Trump, then he will also be indicted.
Click the link and read the letter.
5 guilty pleas are not “More tiresome drivel about Russian election meddling”.
The Mueller investigation is not a “witch hunt”. The real “witch hunts” came from the GOP and were focused on Bill and Hillary Clinton for many years and those “witch hunts” cost the taxpayers millions of dollars and none of those GOP “witch hunts” resulted in any guilty pleas.
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I get comments like this one from time to time, and I usually delete them because this is not the place for pro-Trump rantings.
But every once in a while, it is necessary to pay attention to a MAGA-nut.
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Thanks for the name calling, Lloyd. I’m going to use your comments as a example in my Journalism class (name calling propaganda). BTW, all the guilty pleas and indictments you cite have NOTHING to do with the election, but with finance laws being broken (this is called a red herring). There has been ZERO evidence of Trump collusion. ZERO. But like I said, keep up the tiresome drivel about how Trump stole the election. 63 million people voted for him, free and fair. But because you don’t agree with him, you call him a cheater. What’s the excuse going to be in 2020?
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But, wait. Didn’t both Guiliani and Trump say in the past 24 hours that collusion is not a crime? I think they were implicitly acknowledging that there was collusion. Why else say it is OK, no problem?
Guiliani likes to get out in front of the next revelation.
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Implicitly acknowledging? The thing about implications is that they are subjective–you can read whatever you want in them. There is no evidence. Do you remember in the summer of 2016 during the conventions, when Trump jokingly asked Putin to find Hillary’s missing emails? Trump said that in jest, it was a joke. But what were the headlines, including the NYT? “Trump Should Be Tried For Treason,” etc. The media went crazy insisting Trump was seriously trying to use Russia to commit Treason. It was cleat Trump was kidding, but the Media wanted to imply he wasn’t. Do you think this is honest journalism?
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Yes, I remember the day that Trump said, “Russia, if you are listening, please find Hillary’s missing emails.” The Russian hacking started that very day!
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I don’t think you are aware of the rules of this blog.
#1: you don’t insult me. It’s my blog and my living room. I decide who stays and who goes.
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Collusion is not a crime, but “aiding and abetting” is.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-30/rudy-giuliani-is-wrong-about-collusion-hacking-and-trump-s-woes?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=180731&utm_campaign=sharetheview
Rudy Giuliani can’t seem to get the law right. The president’s lawyer suggested Monday on CNN and Fox News that Donald Trump didn’t commit a crime even if he colluded with Russians during the 2016 campaign by encouraging them to hack Hillary Clinton’s email server. “I don’t even know if that’s a crime, colluding about Russians,” Giuliani put it. “You start analyzing the crime – the hacking is the crime. The president didn’t hack. He didn’t pay them for hacking.”
That’s just wrong. Although there is no formal charge known as “collusion,” federal criminal law covers anyone who “aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures” a felony. The elements of the crime need to be broken down to see how they might potentially apply to Trump’s actions during the campaign. And to be sure, not all the facts that would bring Trump under the federal statute have been proved.
But the law definitely doesn’t require Trump to have hacked himself or to have paid the Russians to do the hacking, as Giuliani argued. And the First Amendment wouldn’t protect Trump if the facts showed that he counseled the Russians to commit a federal hacking crime.
In the U.S. Supreme Court’s formulation, to be found guilty of aiding and abetting, “it is necessary that a defendant in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, [and] that he seek by his action to make it succeed.”
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Name calling! What name calling?
Muller’s investigation isn’t over yet explaining the reason we do not have evidence of Trump linked to collusion. The FBI and/or police departments don’t share evidence being collected in an investigation.
Trump still innocent until a court with a judge and possibly a jury finds him guilty and Muller isn’t the judge or the jury. He is the one in charge of the investigation.
But we do know this: Donald Trump is a serial liar. The evidence is overwhelming even without a court verdict. Donald Trump has lied more than any president in US history.
Donald Trump has gone through several bankruptcies due to failed business ventures that cost US banks about a billion dollars.
Donald Trump has been taken to court many times for cheating workers and contractors out of the money they were owed.
Donald Trump collected about $1 billion in what is know as corporate welfare to help fund some of his failed business ventures.
Alleged evidence exists that Donald Trump and his businesses have been laundering Russian money for years.
https://www.wired.com/story/if-trump-is-laundering-russian-money-heres-how-it-works/
The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet
One of the women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct has sued him for defamation after he labeled her claims false.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
And this is the short list. Trump is unfit to be President of the United States. Trump is unfit to scrub toilets.
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Oh sure, when the corruption of Trump is pointed out, that’s “tiresome drivel.” You know what I find to be tiresome drivel: Lock her up, lock her up! It’s not only tiresome drivel, it’s vile, disgusting and just plain wrong. Tiresome drivel? That would describe about 90% of Trump’s comments.
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Phillystyle71,
So, scummy things happen in politics, therefore let’s let treason, incompetence, abuse of power and racism go.
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