The Guardian view on the Trump-Putin summit: Russia is the winner
Posted on 7/18/2018
Editorial – The Guardian
Donald Trump was not adlibbing when he said his meeting with Putin might be the easiest part of his Europe trip. That was his intention too
Before he left Washington last week for the Nato summit, his UK visit and talks with Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump raised eyebrows by suggesting that the meeting in Helsinki on Monday might be the easiest one of the three. In retrospect, it is clear that this was not an off-the-cuff comment. It was his plan all along. First rough up Nato in order to damage transatlantic commitments, then stir things up in Britain in order to damage the EU, and, finally, play the cooperative statesman in his talks with the Russian president. Or, to put it another way: bully, bully and cringe.
The European visit and its outcomes have offered a chilling illustration of Mr Trump’s worldview. His strategy decries the values that endured in western policy since the defeat of Hitler. It is a conscious break with the postwar network of alliances and aspiration for universal standards. It is a return to the era in which big powers have self-interests not allies, little countries do not matter, and international standards are subordinate to military might. Because Russia is a significant military power, Mr Trump has brought it in from the cold. It is not just the cold war that is over. The post-1945 order of international values and ethics may be ending too.
Mr Trump went into the talks with Mr Putin offering bland banalities that signalled his readiness to resume business with Moscow: there were “a lot of good things to talk about”, the two sides had “great opportunities together”, it would be an “extraordinary relationship” and the world wanted “to see us get along”. Beside him, Mr Putin put on his stone face, saying little, giving nothing away. Five hours later, after two sets of talks, the leaders re-emerged. This time Mr Putin was garrulous. The talks had been successful and useful. Relations had moved to a different phase. There were no objective reasons why Russia and the United States could not cooperate strategically on military, anti-terror, economic and ecological issues. It was all smiles. Mr Putin even gave Mr Trump a football, to mark the end of Russia’s successful hosting of the World Cup.
As well he might, because the US president gave the Russian leader a far bigger present than a football. Mr Trump used the meeting to smooth Russia’s almost unconditional re-entry into his version of the international order. If the accounts that the leaders produced at their press conference on Monday evening are reliable, the issues that have made relations with Russia so difficult for so long – Ukraine, interference in elections, cyber disruptions and the Salisbury novichok attack – counted for very little in their talks. In his overeagerness, Mr Trump essentially gave Mr Putin a free pass.
Mr Putin was always likely to be the big winner from the Helsinki meeting. The mere fact that it took place was a victory for the Kremlin. But Mr Trump made it clear in Helsinki that he regards bygones as bygones. He is prepared to reset the dial. Mr Trump barely seems to have made an issue of Moscow’s unilateralism against Ukraine, so much so that Mr Putin was emboldened to suggest at the press conference that Washington was not putting enough pressure on Kiev to give in to Russian demands. The practical impact of the two men’s discussions on Syria and the Middle East remains unclear, but there was no suggestion that Mr Trump intends to take any kind of a stand here either. Russian interference in US elections – which has recently led to 12 Russians being charged – remains a very awkward obstacle. But not because of Mr Trump, who manifestly does not treat the issue seriously. Mr Putin returns to Moscow under less pressure than ever on all the difficult issues.
If Mr Putin is the big winner, Theresa May is one of the losers. The Salisbury novichok attack counted for nothing in Helsinki. In the Commons on Monday Mrs May talked about Nato to MPs as though nothing has changed. Britain and the US were on the same side on burden-sharing. Mr Trump’s approaches at Nato and in Britain had been constructive. This is nonsense. Mrs May talks as if the alliance is unchanged when in fact everything is changing. If she is to avoid Britain and her government becoming collateral damage in Mr Trump’s dangerous demolition of the global order, she will need to wake up very fast.

I think at this point Trump and Sanders should be placed in a very nice minimum security prison, with lots of security on the outside.
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Trump is a flim flam man, a carnival barker on the world stage. No matter what he says, he only represents money, his own self interested money. He does not understand the gravitas or importance of his position. He believes he has won a great pageant as he does know something about them. He cannot learn any lessons from history because he does not know history. The only thing he is wired to do is follow the money.
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The Flim-Flam Man was a nice little film, please don’t spoil it by overlaying the image of our Dear Leader! Otherwise, you got that right!
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Here’s how the Scottish handled Trump when he invaded their town and built his golf course. It takes a village.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=210&v=3pbTmXsfiYk
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That did make me smile!
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Today is the 73rd anniversary of the liberation of Bergen-Belsen. It’s been about 98 years sine the founding of the Nazi party. Now that American fascists have figured out how refine the agenda without the need for death camps (we have kinder, gentler concentration camps that ago under the guise of immigrant detention centers, privatized prisons, mass incarceration of minorities, ICE, and the Department of Homeland Security), will we have to wait another 73 or 98 years to purge this current fascist nightmare?
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The Guardian has become my staple for news articles and columns. The writers seem to be independent from the interference of billionaires. This is another spot on article. The next time some Fox News fan or troll calls me a communist for believing in public education, I will be able to remind that person or bot that at least I don’t have a secret love affair with Vladimir Putin like the leader of the Old Party formerly known as Grand.
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tRump is a loose cannon, the boy who cried wolf while playing in the coal cellar. His ability to “shake things up” is imaginary at best since he remains little more than a figurehead and a distraction for the implementation of the longstanding policy goals of others. He did not correct his traitorous statement from the press conference, his handlers and apologists walked him through his small part of their deflections/explanations and then built yet another sand castle around the whole mess of his presidency. Even at that, he chaffed at their redirection: his vague reference to “others” who could have been responsible was his querulous attempt at independence from the influence and puppeteering of those operating him on matters of actual substance. Though the results of his presidency as described by the article are one reasonable interpretation, giving tRump credit for that being his own intent is far too generous. The bull in the proverbial china shop never designed the china that was to replace that which his tantrums destroyed, though he might have been told he did.
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BINGO!
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Putin just gave America a huge middle finger via that dump. Bet that dump is being rewarded by Putin.
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Trump. Is. A. Russian. Agent.
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It’s probably futile to try to inject an iota of skepticism here, but it’s still worth trying: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/14/clinging-to-collusion-why-evidence-will-probably-never-be-produced-in-the-indictments-of-russian-agents/
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Who are you? Are you even an American? We all saw how this president put our country down in front of the whole world and then we learned that he knew about the Russian hacking even before he was sworn in as president. He continued to deny interference and assisted with Russia in covering it up. Collusion and conspiracy, absolutely!
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Some people have a double standard.
They are absolutely positive the entire Democratic primary was a sham, with the DNC taking direct action over and over to change the rules of the game at every turn in order to insure that Bernie Sanders lost the primary that he would have won by a huge margin if only the DNC had not prevented it through non-stop direct actions and changing the rules to ones that had never been in place before just to “get” Bernie Sanders.
But they say there is not enough evidence yet to know if Russia interfered at all in the election. We just can’t know yet and we should reserve judgement because a bunch of specific actions taken by Trump and his campaign and Russia are not strong enough evidence.
Hypocrites. If the DNC and Clinton campaign had done even half of what the Trump campaign and Russia did, these people would already be screaming “lock them all up”.
But since it is the upright and honest Trump, they insist he be given the benefit of the doubt. It’s not like he is as corrupt as the entire democratic party.
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“Are you even American?” is an unfair swipe, especially in this context. From all I can learn, consortium news is rated highly fact-based & reliable w/a very slightly left-of-center bias. I found the article an eye-opener. Because they hew so closely to facts, & fill in with pertinent legal context, it showed me how the exact same info we all have can be reasonably re-interpreted quite differently.
It didn’t make me skeptical. But it’s helpful to understand how an intelligent person could reasonably be skeptical.
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No reasonable person is skeptical that the Russian government attacked our democracy by hacking into the 2016 election to elect a tool who would try to break up the Western alliance. Trump has insulted our allies and bowed to Putin. Putin is smirking. Mr. KGB DID IT!
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The Putin-lovers think he is a Communist. What a joke he has pulled off. He is a billionaire. He is a murderer. He is no Communist or socialist. He is all about greed, like Trump.
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