New York Times opinion columnist Frank Bruni worries about the vocationalization of liberal arts colleges, many of which are racing to turn their curriculum into college readiness pathways.
This is not a new concern. Twenty years ago, classicist Victor Davis Hansen wrote “Who Killed Homer?” about the death of the classics.
What Bruni describes is a giant scythe mowing down liberal arts majors in the pursuit of occupational relevance.
He writes:
History is on the ebb. Philosophy is on the ropes. And comparative literature? Please. It’s an intellectual heirloom: cherished by those who can afford such baubles but disposable in the eyes of others.
I’m talking about college majors, and talk about college majors is loud and contentious these days. There’s concern about whether schools are offering the right ones. There are questions about whether colleges should be emphasizing them at all. How does a deep dive into the classics abet a successful leap into the contemporary job market? Should an ambitious examination of English literature come at the cost of acquiring fluency in coding, digital marketing and the like?
Last Sunday The Chronicle of Higher Education published a special report that delved into this debate. One of the storiesdescribed what was happening at the flagship campus of the University of Illinois and at Assumption College in Worcester, Mass., casting these developments as different harbingers for higher education.
Illinois is pairing certain majors in the liberal arts — for example, anthropology and linguistics — with computer science. Assumption is doing away with a host of traditional majors in favor of new ones geared to practical skills. Goodbye, art history, geography and, yes, classics. Hello, data analytics, actuarial science and concentrations in physical and occupational therapy.
Assumption is hardly an outlier. Last year the University of Wisconsin at Superior announced that it was suspending nine majors, including sociology and political science, and warned that there might be additional cuts. The University of Wisconsin at Stevens Point recently proposed dropping 13 majors, including philosophy and English, to make room for programs with “clear career pathways.”
While these schools are swapping out certain majors for others, some higher education leaders are asking whether such devotion to a single field of study — and whether a college experience structured around that — are the right way to go.
“The future of work calls for something more radical: the elimination of academic majors as we have come to know them,” Jeffrey Selingo, the founding director of the Academy for Innovative Higher Education Leadership, wrote in a column that was part of The Chronicle’s special report. He advocated a college education that spans “all academic disciplines.”
Selingo is the author of several books about the rightful role and uses of college, the most recent of which, “There Is Life After College,” illustrates how thoughtful he can be on these matters.
But I worry that he’s suggesting an either/or where there needn’t be one. I worry that the current conversation about majors is part of a larger movement to tug college too far in a vocational direction.
And I worry that there’s a false promise being made. The world now changes at warp speed. Colleges move glacially. By the time they’ve assembled a new cluster of practical concentrations, an even newer cluster may be called for, and a set of job-specific skills picked up today may be obsolete less than a decade down the road. The idea of college as instantaneously responsive to employers’ evolving needs is a bit of a fantasy…
Part of the skepticism toward traditional majors reflects a correct feeling that at some schools, some fields of study and course offerings are preserved largely because the faculty have a selfish investment in the status quo. If seats in the classroom are perpetually empty and money is sorely needed elsewhere, colleges shouldn’t ignore that.
But it’s a balancing act, because colleges shouldn’t lose sight of what makes traditional majors — even the arcane ones — so meaningful, especially now. And they shouldn’t downgrade the nonvocational mission of higher education: to cultivate minds, prepare young adults for enlightened citizenship, give them a better sense of their perch in history and connect them to traditions that transcend the moment. History, philosophy and comparative literature are bound to be better at that than occupational therapy. They’re sturdier threads of cultural and intellectual continuity.
And majoring in them — majoring in anything — is a useful retort to the infinite distractions, short attention spans and staccato communications of the smartphone era. Perhaps now, more than ever, young people need to be shown the rewards of sustained attention and taught how to hold a thought. That’s what a major does. There’s a reason that it’s often called a discipline.
“Becoming versed in the intricacies of a complex thing is itself a worthwhile skill,” Johnson said. I agree. It also underscores what real knowledge and true perspective are. In a country that’s awash in faux expertise and enamored of pretenders, that’s no small thing.
Students interested in using their education for expressly vocational purposes should have an array of attractive options in addition to college, which isn’t right for everyone and is hardly the lone path to professional fulfillment. Some of those options should be collaborations with employers grooming the work force they need.
But students who want to commune with Kant and Keats shouldn’t be made to feel that they’re indulgent dilettantes throwing away all hope of a lucrative livelihood. They’re making a commitment to a major that has endured because its fruits are enduring.

Figures the only people Victor Davis Hansen would worry about getting killed are old dead white guys. He certainly never had a problem killing living brown people. He was one of the most vocal proponents for both the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars.
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Victor Davis Hansen is a right wing war monger who was against Obama’s Iran deal.
Quote: Once described as “a blood-and-guts classicist and one of Vice President Dick Cheney’s favorite dinner guests,”[1] Victor Davis Hanson is a fellow at the Hoover Institution, the hawkish Stanford University-based think tank that, alongside the American Enterprise Institute, served as one of the George W. Bush administration’s key recruiting grounds (though Hanson has not served in the government).[2] Like Donald Kagan, Hanson is a neoconservative writer who specializes in ancient history and has a penchant for finding parallels between current events and antiquity—for example, comparing the Iraq War to the Peloponnesian War.[3]” end quote
https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/hanson_victor_davis/
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I know all that about Hansen. I cited his title not as an endorsement of his work in general, but because his book title echoed the title of Bruni’s article.
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I think you mean “career readiness,” not “college readiness.”
To some degree, this shift probably reflects very legitimate anxiety over the cost of higher education. A great many students literally cannot afford a degree in English Literature, History, or Philosophy.
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Unless, perhaps, they intend to go to law school? Maybe become a policy wonk? wouldn’t it be nice if the people in government actually had some understanding of culture and history? Who needs art galleries, museums, or theater? Certainly no one needs an advanced degree to play a violin! Social workers don’t need to understand sociology to find housing or check up on minor children.
This is an argument that has been going on for ages, although in my generation it used to be over liberal arts vs. sciences, which were seen as practical (and also still almost exclusively male as career choices).
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Law school, yes, that’s a great way to add another 150k of debt in just here years, on top of the 200k for undergrad.
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Who killed Aristotle?
Galileo.
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Perfect!
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I thought Galileo killed Ptolemy.
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Galileo was really a serial Greek killer.
http://galileo.rice.edu/sci/theories/ptolemaic_system.html
Galileo Galilei
Showed us all a better way
Murdered many, so they say
Greek ideas that held the sway
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I bet Galileo wished he had lived in the ideal of Solon and Cleisthenes, rather than in the dictatorial throes of Roman Catholicism.
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Aristarcus of Samos (230bc) understood that the Earth and planets orbitted the sun (and even knew the order of the planets) but Plato, Aristotle and Ptolemy won out with their geocentric theory, which set back science by nearly 2000 years.
Copernicus even attributed heliocentrism to Aristarcus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
If Galileo had lived at the time of the ancient Greeks, his ideas would probably also have been dismissed and if he had not come along when he did, it would probably have taken even longer to get people to reject geocentrism.
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I’ve long been a HUGE booster of a good liberal arts education. My daughter absorbed my message: Get an education first. THEN get trained for a career. So she majored in art history at a lib arts college and, after a while, went to medical school where, in some ways, she felt advantaged because she understood so much more about people and life than her classmates. She is now an ER doc whose patients appreciate her humanity.
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A recently retired Dean of Medical Education borrowed from her own background in art history and a program at Massachusetts General Hospital to set up a course that required future MDs to perform descriptions, analyses, and interpretations of works of art before their work with cadavers and patients.
Variants of this program are becoming common, and for good reasons on the side of arts education and medical education. https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/wje9nw/old-works-of-art-are-helping-med-students-learn-how-to-diagnose
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Yes, and the irony is that a Liberal Arts education, because it stresses critical thinking and writing skills, often has a much longer “shelf life” than most technical fields, where skills and their practitioners rapidly become outdated.
The Overclass is utterly terrified of a populace that can reason critically, as it should be, given the levels of inequality and polarization it is cultivating. Thus, the shutting down of these departments. It’s also a way to get around tenure protections.
No wonder the Overclass is making sure that local police departments are getting tanks and military hardware, and that killer cops always walk.
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“The Overclass is utterly terrified of a populace that can reason critically, as it should be, given the levels of inequality and polarization it is cultivating.”
Exactly!
That overclass knows its advantages would be quickly eliminated if there were a truly educated citizenry.
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The biggest irony of all is that the skill that all the techies are pushing “coding” probably has the shortest shelf life of all, given how quickly it is being automated.
Just a few years ago, you had to be programmer to develop a website while now, any Tom Dick and Henrietta can do it without knowing any coding whatsoever.
The same is becoming true for developing apps for smart phones. There are already development environments that allow you to make apps without knowing any coding at all.
The really important — and hard — part of programming is not coding but specification and design. And the later can arguably done much better by someone with a creative, aesthetic bent than someone trained like a monkey to write code.
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@SDM:
“The biggest irony of all is that the skill that all the techies are pushing “coding” probably has the shortest shelf life of all, given how quickly it is being automated.” — yes and no. I do agree that liberal arts eduction, which along with literature, philosophy, history includes mathematics and physical sciences has longer “shelf life”. But coding did not go anywhere yet. The secret to being a good coder is staying constanty on top of the game. You cannot just read a bunch of classic texts.
“Just a few years ago, you had to be programmer to develop a website while now, any Tom Dick and Henrietta can do it without knowing any coding whatsoever.” — this will be a crappy website. If you have anything that goes beyond standard blog, you need a custom website.
“The same is becoming true for developing apps for smart phones. There are already development environments that allow you to make apps without knowing any coding at all.” — again, these will be crappy apps.
“The really important — and hard — part of programming is not coding but specification and design. And the later can arguably done much better by someone with a creative, aesthetic bent than someone trained like a monkey to write code.” — The really important part of programming is good algorithms and skills of implementing these algorithms on a specific platform. No, monkeys cannot do this. Design? I’ve seen so many things designed by “someone with a creative, aesthetic bent” – they are unusable. Good design is first and foremost good usability and ergonomics. Waiting for the release of “Rams” scheduled this fall.
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Specification and design are far and away the most important parts of software development for the simple reason that if you don’t identify and specify at a high level what a program is supposed to do and how it is supposed to do it, it does not matter how good the coding is.
I worked as a software engineer for close to two decades on both well- and poorly specified and designed software development projects.
From my experience, without good specification and design, you might as well not waste time on the coding.
And what is your evidence for dismissal of any website or app developed by nonprogrammers as crappy? That seems to be a fairly sweeping generalization.
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SDP, you do not need to beat your chest – “Trust Me” – to add weight to your words. You were a coder, but no more, big deal. What happened? You got disillusioned by moving fast and breaking things? Or you got older and cannot absorb all the new stuff needed to stay in the business? Reading Aristotle, Rousseau and Nietzsche once in your college years is not enough if you want to be a lowly coder, you need to keep up.
Anyway, if you are a one man team or even a small startup, starting without detailed specs is fine, check in, buld and deploy frequently, update the strategy, detect dead ends early. In a big team, coders do not write specs, there are separate people for that. Ditto for design.
No automated tool will give you 100% look-and-feel and functionality that you want. You may accept a 90% solution, especially if it is a personal blog with five visitors per month, all of whom are your family members or friends, but any decent app requires custom code, no exceptions.
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BackGain
I merely pointed out what anyone who has actually done software development would know..
Which obviously does not include you.
Ha ha ha!
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BackAgain – what rock did you crawl out from under just to come around here and be combative? You’re right, SDP doesn’t need to “beat his chest” because he’s been a long-time trusted commenter around here. Who the heck are you?
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Coding monkeys
When Tarzan beats his chest
The chimpanzees take note
Cuz Tarzan is the best
At writing software code
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SDP, was your code as marvelous as your limericks?
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Back Again,
SDP’s best virtue is his critical thinking. Boy does he have it!!
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“A study by the Economic Policy Institute found that the supply of American college graduates with computer science degrees is 50% greater than the number hired into the tech industry each year. For all the talk of a tech worker shortage, many qualified graduates simply can’t find jobs.” That’s from a great article by Ben Tarnoff from the Guardian. Diane wrote about it. Read the whole article. A coding future is nonsensical propaganda being pushed by the tech industry to reduce wages. Here’s the link:
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Incidentally, if you want a good example of the difference between products that result from focus on specification and design versus products that don’t, you can look at products produced by Apple vs Microsoft.
Steve Jobs understood the importance of figuring out what people wanted and of designing products that gave them what they wanted. Gates not so much.
It applies to both hardware and software and Jobs was basically a designer for whom specification and design were critical while Bill Gates was basically a coder for whom specification and design were an afterthought.
Good design is not only why Apples operating syatems are functionally better than Microsoft’s but also why Apples have far fewer security and other issues than Microsoft’s.
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Also, for anyone who is interested in the design process in general, I would highly recommend Notes on the Synthesis of Form by architect Christopher Alexander, a wonderful little book that anyone who is developing something new (and not just software or hardware) should read.
I would not be at all surprised if Steve Jobs had read it but would be surprised if Bill Gates ever has. Or if he did ever read it, he clearly ignored everything it had to say.
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Excellent article. Dig around in the grass where such changes are occurring in higher ed and you’ll find the right wing and the neo-liberalist implementation of their ideologies, of those who cannot stand educated people with open minds–especially if they vote. STEM is not the problem. The problem is what becomes automatically neglected, then ABSENT, when STEM is the focus of funding.
Supporters of the current trend should look around at (a) the political climate and crisis we live in NOW and the political ignorance that feeds into it; (b) the ethical questions emerging in Wall Street NOW; and (c) in the sciences, technical and medical-experimentation fields, here and around the world.
When, more than now, have we needed colleges to EMPHASIZE humanities/literature/history/philosophy where the depth and breadth of a person can develop through encounter with our history of thinkers and where questions that concern the future can be given reflective treatment before young adults enter the lab or any field.
Not STEM, but STEM ALONE is set to pour banality and/or extremism into the coming generations and what’s left of the culture now.
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Years ago I was a French major at a gigantic urban university. Despite the size of the school at about 36,000 students, the French majors were about thirty strong. We ran into each other in all the advanced courses. We were like a boutique school in a very large university. I started out teaching French, but after my master’s I taught ESL. One of the reasons I landed the job was because I could speak French to the parents of Haitian students. My undergraduate liberal arts degree helped to make me employable. By the way, I also learned Haitian Creole easily due to my background in French.
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Who’s Aristotle?
. . . or is it “Whose Aristotle?”
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Diane,
A follow uo to a former post regarding the “gap”
Let’s Stop Talking About The ’30 Million Word Gap’
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The findings discussed in Meaningful Differences in the Everyday Experience of Young American Children have been cited more than 8,000 times, according to Google Scholar.
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Did you know that kids growing up in poverty hear 30 million fewer words by age 3? Chances are, if you’re the type of person who reads a newspaper or listens to NPR, you’ve heard that statistic before.
Since 1992, this finding has, with unusual power, shaped the way educators, parents and policymakers think about educating poor children.
But did you know that the number comes from just one study, begun almost 40 years ago, with just 42 families? That some people argue it contained a built-in racial bias? Or that others, including the authors of a new study that calls itself a “failed replication,” say it’s just wrong?
NPR talked to eight researchers to explore this controversy. All of them say they share the goal of helping poor kids achieve their highest potential in school.
But on the issue of how to define either the problem, or the solution, there are, well, very big gaps.
With all that in mind, here are six things to know about the 30 million word gap.
The original study had just 42 families.
During the War on Poverty in the 1960s, Betty Hart, a former preschool teacher, entered graduate school in child psychology at the University of Kansas, working with Todd Risley as her adviser.
The two began their research with preschool students in the low-income Juniper Gardens section of Kansas City, Kan., explains Dale Walker of the University of Kansas, who counts Hart as a colleague and mentor. “They definitely worked out of their personal concern and experience with young children.”
Seeing differences between poor and middle-class children by the age of 3, Hart and Risley decided to look for roots even earlier in children’s lives.
Beginning in 1982, they followed up on birth announcements in the newspaper to recruit families with infants as research subjects.
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They eventually chose 42 families at four levels of income and education, from “welfare” to “professional class.” All of the “welfare” families and 7 out of 10 of the “working class” families were black, while 9 out of 10 of the “professional” families were white — this will be important later.
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Starting when the babies were 7 to 9 months old, the researchers visited each house for one hour, once a month, for 2 1/2 years. They showed up generally in the late afternoon, with a cassette recorder, a clipboard and a stopwatch and tried to fade into the background. They were there to record the number of words spoken around the children, as well as the quality and types of interaction (for example, a question versus a command), and the growth in words produced by the children themselves.
The study has been cited over 8,000 times.
After 1,200 hours of recordings were collected, the real work began. Transcribing and checking each moment, with their elaborate system of coding, took 16 hours for every hour of tape, Dale Walker explains.
Hart and Risley’s study wasn’t published until 1992, while their book, Meaningful Differences in the Everyday Experience of Young American Children, came out in 1995.
From there, it really caught fire. These findings have been cited more than 8,000 times, according to Google Scholar. The book remains one of its publisher’s bestsellers more than 20 years later. There is a national research network of over 150 scholars aligned with Hart and Risley and focusing on young children’s home environment.
And the impact of this work spread far beyond the ivory tower. “It’s had enormous policy implications,” says Kathy Hirsh-Pasek, a developmental psychologist at Temple University and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
Something about that figure, 30 million words, held people’s attention. Not only was it big, it seemed actionable.
Speech — unlike books or housing or health care — is free. If we could somehow get poor parents to speak to their children more, could it make a huge difference in fixing stubborn inequities in society?
The “word gap” drove expanded federal investments in Head Start and Early Head Start. Hart and Risley’s work inspired early intervention programs, including the citywide effort Providence Talks in Rhode Island, the Boston-based Reach Out and Read, and the Clinton Foundation’s Too Small To Fail.
Both researchers are now deceased. But in Kansas City, where it all began, Dale Walker and others work on research and interventions at the Juniper Gardens Children’s Project.
Thirty million words is probably an exaggeration. Maybe the gap is 4 million. Maybe it’s even smaller.
That eye-popping figure is one of the reasons the study has been so sticky over time. But newer studies have found very different numbers.
Since Hart and Risley’s study was published, critics have taken issue with how the data was collected and interpreted.
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“Their study is commendable in many ways, but they just got it wrong,” says Paul Nation, an expert in vocabulary acquisition at Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.
Nation primarily takes issue with the idea that you can estimate vocabulary growth from small samples of speech, particularly when the samples don’t contain the same number of words.
He is one of many to have pointed out that the low-income families in their sample may have been intimidated into silence by the presence of a researcher, especially someone of another race. Educated parents, though, might be more likely to show off by talking more when an observer is present.
Modern technology can get around this observer effect. A nonprofit called LENA manufactures a tiny digital recording device that can be worn by children as young as 2 months old. Software then estimates speech and turn-taking.
While not invisible, it’s a lot less intrusive than having a person sitting in the room. Directly inspired by Hart and Risley, LENA is used in school-based and home-based interventions dedicated to closing the word gap in more than 20 states.
Using LENA, scientists published a near-replication of the Hart and Risley study in 2017, only this study had 329 families, nearly 8 times more, and 49,765 hours of recording, from children 2 months to 4 years.
Their conclusion? The “word gap” between high-income and low-income groups was about 4 million by the time the children turned 4, not 30 million by age 3. Only if you compared the most talkative 2 percent with quietest 2 percent of families did you get a gap nearly as wide as Hart and Risley’s, says LENA’s senior director of research, Jill Gilkerson.
Another just-published study calls itself a “failed replication” of Hart and Risley.
The researchers analyzed field recordings from five different poor and working-class communities. They found that the amount of speech children heard varied from one place to another.
The lowest-income children recorded in South Baltimore heard 1.7 times as many words per hour as did Hart and Risley’s “welfare” group. And in the “Black Belt,” an area in rural Alabama, poor children heard three times as many words as Hart and Risley’s “welfare” group.
The wide variation “unsettles the notion that income alone determines how many words children hear,” lead author Douglas Sperry tells NPR.
Some people take issue with the whole idea of a “gap”
Sperry and his co-authors fall into a camp that criticizes the “word gap” concept as racially and culturally loaded in a way that ultimately hurts the children whom early intervention programs ostensibly trying to help.
“To look at income alone obscures real questions about the cultural mismatch between children of color and mainstream European children and their teachers as they enter schools,” says Sperry. In other words, it’s not necessarily that poor children aren’t ready for school; it’s that schools and teachers are not ready for these children.
Marjorie Faulstich Orellana, a professor of education at the University of California, Los Angeles, has called attention to the “word wealth” experienced by children who grow up learning a different language or even a different dialect than the dominant standard English spoken in school. This would describe not only recent immigrants, but also anyone whose background isn’t white, educated and middle or upper class. When they get to school, they must learn to “code switch” between two ways of speaking.
She doesn’t disagree that “there’s variation in how much adults speak to children,” but, she tells NPR, there shouldn’t necessarily be a value judgment placed on that.
“Should adults direct lots of questions to children in ways that prepare them to answer questions in school?” she asks, calling that a “middle-class, mostly white practice.”
“There are other values, like using language to entertain or connect, rather than just have children perform their knowledge. How do we honor different families rather than have families change their values to align with school?”
Similarly, Sofia Bahena, an education professor at the University of Texas, San Antonio, says talking about “word gaps,” like “achievement gaps,” is an example of what she calls deficit thinking.
“We can talk about differences without resorting to deficit language by being mindful and respectful of those we are speaking or researching about,” she explains. “We can shift the question from ‘how can we fix these students?’ to ‘how can we best serve them?’ It doesn’t mean we don’t speak hard truths. But it does mean we try to ask more critical questions to have a deeper understanding of the issues.”
Jennifer Keys Adair at the University of Texas, Austin published a study last year of how the “word gap” rubber is meeting the road of schools.
She and her co-authors spoke with nearly 200 superintendents, administrators, teachers, parents and young children in mostly Spanish-speaking immigrant communities. The educators expressed the belief that the children in grades pre-K through third in this community could not handle learner-centered, project-based, hands-on learning because their vocabulary was too limited. And, the children in the study themselves echoed the belief that they needed to sit quietly and listen in order to learn.
Adair says the “word gap” has become a kind of code word. “We can say ‘vocabulary.’ We’re not going to say ‘poor’ and we’re not going to use ‘race,’ but it’s still a marker.”
The underlying desire to help kids is still pretty compelling, though
Walker says that Hart and Risley were happy to engage with their critics. “They valued that input and the give and take.” But, she says, they were sometimes “dismayed” at misinterpretations of their research, such as if people took ideas about the importance of an early start as justification for not trying to improve student outcomes later on in school.
Some boosters agree with critics that the “word gap” may need a reframing.
Kathy Hirsh-Pasek, with her longtime collaborator Roberta Michnick Golinkoff and other researchers, wrote a scholarly critique of the Sperry study for the Brookings Institution.
“I am worried,” Hirsh-Pasek tells NPR, that downplaying the word gap will have “dangerous” consequences. “Whenever you send out a message that ‘Hey, this doesn’t matter,’ the policymakers are listening and say, ‘Hey, that’s great, we can divert the money.’ ”
Sperry’s measures included “bystander talk” by multiple people in the room, including older siblings and other relatives. So did the LENA study. Hirsh-Pasek says the psychological research is clear that it’s the “dance” of interaction between caregiver and child that is crucial to learning speech.
While this point is fairly settled among developmental psychologists, anthropologists may dissent, says Douglas Sperry. In some cultures, such as the Mayans in Central America, addressing young children directly is uncommon, yet people still learn to talk, he notes.
Hirsh-Pasek does agree with the critics that framing the issue as a deficit is wrong. “I’m so sorry that the 30 million word gap was framed as a gap,” she says. “I like to talk about it as building a foundation rather than reducing a gap.”
But, she adds, the sheer volume of conversation directed at children, not just spoken in their presence, is fundamental to language learning and later success in school. All the cultural variation in the world “doesn’t negate the fact that when you look at the averages, there is a problem here.”
And what’s most important, says Hirsh-Pasek, is that interventions inspired by Hart and Risley are nudging parents in the right direction. “We have made changes and movement in kids, in whole communities.”
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That study, along with studies that showed the obvious, that college-educated parents expose their children to more complex sentence structure and wider vocabulary, may not be perfectly immune to the normal human failures of prejudice and social stigma, but they are a contribution to the discussion on what every teacher knows, that kids who do not grow up in a linguistically rich environment have a more difficult time at school.
I just realized that I wrote a sentence Dickensinean in length. This adds another dimension to the discussion, but many thanks for bringing it up.
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At least it wasn’t a Faulkner sentence.
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This is a hugely important issue and there is much to say about it. From the outset, I’d like to say that anyone is a lot better off reading the work of the late scholar Bernard Knox rather than Victor Davis Hansen. Mr. Hansen is right that the classics are worth our attention, but that is about it. Mr. Knox’s essay, “The Walls of Thebes” is an excellent, eloquent, and inspiring argument for the value of the liberal arts.
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I learned engineering and computer science, with a slide rule and punch cards. STEM careers require life-long learning. I am a walking museum.
Any education is incomplete, without a thorough understanding of our Western traditions. Having foreign language skills, has definitely made me more employable, and enhanced the time I spent working in Europe and Africa.
God bless liberal arts!
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A walking museum of what?
Nevermind . . . .
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My mother worked as a keypunch operator at least forty years ago.
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“And I worry that there’s a false promise being made. The world now changes at warp speed. Colleges move glacially. By the time they’ve assembled a new cluster of practical concentrations, an even newer cluster may be called for, and a set of job-specific skills picked up today may be obsolete less than a decade down the road. The idea of college as instantaneously responsive to employers’ evolving needs is a bit of a fantasy…”
Hmmm. . . . the world changes at warp speed? Don’t think so. Actually, I know it doesn’t. But a human’s perception of the changes that occur in human societies and culture may at times seem to be going fast, faster than the human’s prior experience of it.
Ol Ma Nature, the world outside the human mind, the world in which that mind(s) have developed continues plugging along doing its thing, whatever aspect that may entail. We homo supposedly sapiens like to think that we are in control. We ain’t.
Perhaps it is actually good that “colleges move glacially”. If not what becomes of long-standing knowledge, practice, wisdom? Throw it all out and only do what a few think we should do right now? Wouldn’t want to try that as I foresee mayhem, destruction for the benefit of the few and troubles and death for the many.
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How can you be disruptively innovative if you insist on being mired in passé pursuits? Geez, Duane!
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One’s “passé pursuits” is another’s pleasurable pursuit.
Unfortunately those who pursue disruptive innovations have little clue as to what effects their pursuits have on fellow human beings.
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The autocratic, democracy hating, greedy frauds and liars that are pushing k-12 school choice are also working hard to shorten the list of choices for college majors.
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These finalist are nurtured from very young age.
Here is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op6JIx4MAGw
【ENG SUB】《歌手2018》第13期 20180413:总决赛!花花邓紫棋首度合体开唱 李玟Jessie J王炸组合上演神级live Singer 2018 EP13【湖南卫视官方频道】
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Please watch begin at 1:29:55 until the end to enjoy 4 finalists’s songs and their performances.
Also, this link is to show as young as 5 years old child with a beautiful voice and performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrENs5DBH3c
The most beautiful girl! 5-Year-old children a “Yuhua stone” burst red network.
最美童声!5岁小孩一首《雨花石》爆红网络,太好听了!
Little genius, lovely little girl! Does she know the meaning of the song? I hope she doesn’t understand! The adult world is too complicated!I hope she grows up slowly ~ don’t be too precocious!The last thing I want is for a child to jump to the ripe age without having a real childhood.
I remembered the same name song “Yuhua stone”. It expressed the stone love the rain , so we can only hope and pray, let God drop down a colorful rain, let the rain and the stone merge into agate like beautiful Yuhua stone.
Rain gently
My heart is burning
Whose tear is that?
Turn gently over your face
Stone love the rain
Just like the blue sea
Thousands upon thousands of words
I don’t know how to confess
Hi, where are you?
Hey, I can’t see
I am a little stone
Buried deep in the earth
Your shadow is out of sight
I’m still looking for your smile
I am a little stone
Buried deep in the earth
A thousand years later, the prosperity ended
I’m waiting for you in the rain and the wind
I’m still waiting for you in the soil.
In short, “kindness” is invincible and “ordinary path” is the ground to sustain civilization and to nurture the spirit in humanity. All other fields like mathematics and computer science are the branches, leaves, and fruits from he ROOTS of humanity.
Roots need soil and water. children in Kindergarten to grade 12 need love + care + knowledge like soil PLUS music, sport, and literature like water. If any NATIONAL education can provide their young generation with this kind of soil and water, its country will be the global leader. Yes, parents and teachers should unite to make it happen for their precious children/ students. Back2basic
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Beautifully said, May.
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Dear Dr. Ravitch:
I will always be your secret admirer. Your knowledge, experience, and relentless effort have motivated all YOUNG and VETERAN educators who fight to sustain the BEST Public Education for all children in all States in America.
I am honored to be your follower. My writing must be boring to some readers (= greedy and corrupted corporate). IMHO, being ordinary is truly an answer in an education – love, care, knowledge + music, sport, and literature – NO NEED a complicated and fancy computer science and advanced mathematics.
Human brain is the utmost beautiful ROOT to germinate all subjects on Earth. Tranquility is the best source of nourishment for a brain. Most of all, love, care, knowledge + music, sport, and literature will bring tranquility to people.
I appreciate your agreement with my thought. Love you. May
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The 20th century has given us a distilled argument for the essential nature of the humanities in not only civil society, but civilization itself: it is the only known inoculation for a society against genocide, which is, of course, the distillation of unreason, fear, ignorance, tyranny, etc. in a society.
This is not a new lesson nor a difficult one to arrive at. I have said it her numerous times: Germany up through the 1930s was a society heavy with what we would today call STEM graduates. They created efficient train systems as well as a culture of hyper-accurate record keeping. Obviously I am articulating extremes here. One’s kid heading off to MIT is not likely a proto-genocidal maniac. That said, a society of STEM, vocationally educated engineers, programmers, biotech wizards, etc etc is a society capable of enormous advances without any congruent moral or ethical discussion. Our society is not in need of more programmers. It is deeply in need of more people able to think, write, and otherwise articulate questions and dialogs about the role of technology in a civil society. Herein lies the rub: those able to engage these questions need to be quite firmly grounded in the humanities.
That said, I am without hope that the current course will be deviated from. In fact, the problem is at the high school level. The marginalization of art and humanities, often done quite subtelly in the public schools here in NY……the merging of art into STEM, thus creating STEAM (which is really about minimizing art and essentializing it into “design”), the decontextualization of literature, the rendering of historical questions into bullet points, etc etc.
I should also not have to delve into the true privatization of schools and learning via “technology in the classroom” to further the reasons for my hopelessness.
This awful state of things is not the result of a few errant capitalists, or their politicians. It’s not the work of a singular movement of corporate efficiency -sadists. It is, at the very bottom, the result of the absence of vigilance on the part of everyone. There are hard lines. The line between the enlightenment and everything else. The line between reason and absurdity. We have blurred them to the point of forgetting about them. When the scientific method is used in a society only to create technologies that intoxicate a population with narcicissm, frivolity, and empty emotion, the only master being served is the tyrant.
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I agree. We have failed to inoculate ourselves against fascism. It feels to me as if the virus is replicating in our bloodstream. My gut tells me we’re in for a very dark period ahead –like Argentina’s “desaparecidos” era, or worse. What would inoculate us? Teaching the elite a more clear-eyed view of the dark side of human nature, for one thing. The brainy Bay Area professionals I canvass with every weekend share a sunny, naive scientism. Studying 20th C. totalitarianism in depth. Making youth learn by heart the story of feudalism’s evil and its glorious replacement by democratic republics. Make them abhor arbitrary rule and love rule of law. Teach the Enlightenment inside and out. Teach the red flags of encroaching fascism. Ingrain this –make the concepts indelible —so adult citizens will, at the very least, balk when a wannabe dictator takes the presidency. I’d guess the majority of Trump supporters would love it –not abhor it –if Trump became dictator! They have not received an indelible anti-fascism, truly patriotic education. The liberals have failed to teach and preach a robust liberal conception of patriotism. To many Americans, America equals white Christendom, nothing more. This is the fruit of our negligent education system.
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As I go door-to-door for Democrats in a red district, I meet so many ignorant (not dumb) voters. I have to explain what Congress is. I have to explain what Democrats are. I have to explain plutocracy and its evils. I have to explain everything. It is too much of a heavy lift for a ten-minute chat at the doorstep. This kind of remedial crash-course civics education doesn’t work. I am angry at the schools for failing to install the knowledge infrastructure that’s necessary for clear thinking about politics. We have allowed this infrastructure to crumble into ruins.
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Ponderosa: I couldn’t agree with you more. This is why our founders called it an experiment, and: we have a democracy, if we can keep it. The problem is that it’s not a product of just another kind of indoctrination or even of tribal love of country.
Rather, it’s a conscious choice that MUST be well-informed–but you get it not by indoctrinating students, but by showing the history of comparisons of political systems and letting them choose which is the best–in terms of their own development of mind and collaboration with others. If students are to become open-minded, well-informed, and ultimately self-directed rather than prone to following trump-like bullies, then WE have to let the reigns go and let THEM decide–it’s informing students of history, and not just offering a different kind of indoctrination that makes a democracy vibrant, and that offers hope for the future.
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Here is a site that I strongly recommend. It is mind-boggling and helps to retain some semblance of normalcy in a strange time.
https://theweeklylist.org/weekly-list/week-81/
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Wait. What?!! Trump-like bullies were not indoctrinated with U.S. history. They are incredibly ignorant of it. As citizens of this country, I would think that the first thing we would want our children to understand well is our own history and the development of our system of government. After all, they are citizens and will automatically assume the rights and responsibilities of citizenship when they reach 18. I want them to be well educated in what that means. Examining other systems for comparative purposes, yes, but I don’t see it as our responsibility to prepare them to be citizens of Great Britain or Germany or China for that matter.
All through elementary and middle school we studied different cultures and systems of government. As we got older, the same subject material would be revisited at a more mature level. By the time we addressed history at the high school level, U.S. and and various topics in world history were covered on a much deeper level. U.S. history was required as was a survey course in world history, but there were several other classes available beyond the required courses through which people could explore other cultures. Russian history was very popular at the time (Cold War era). I can’t say I was well prepared to take on the responsibility of citizenship, but I had a good foundation. (I could have used a slightly more participatory form of teaching.) I’m still learning what citizenship really entails fifty years after graduating fro high school!
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speduktr: From my experience, you are right about the ignorance “out there” about our own system. But you missed my point about the difference between indoctrination about ANY system, and students understanding of which one they want to live in and knowing WHY. CBK
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Current fashions in education are deadly for democracy. “Inquiry” is all the rage. Vygotsky and Constructivism are ascendant. I’ve tried this with my students. Except for the elite few, it invariably results in hazy grasp of the facts. We need powerhouse, lucid sages on the stage. Use cartoons. Use the voice. Master the facts and repackage it in condensed, digestible form for young minds. Get the knowledge in their brains as efficiently and indelibly as possible. “Inquiry” is antithetical to this project. Kids read poorly; they understand so much better when an adult explains brilliantly, especially if she uses bold, lucid graphics.
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Students are tested incessantly and you think constructivism is all the rage?
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It is in California, especially in history and science. Learning the facts is less important than inquiring, constructing your own understanding, thinking like a historian (or scientist)… It all sounds good, but the results are nebulous. It could well be that very little is gained. This is what I see when I try these types of activities with my seventh graders. Precious little fruit. Just haze with a few glimmers of mica. Whereas hearing dynamic lectures about, say, the story of Stalin leaves indelible imprints that serve as important touchstones for thinking about the world when one grows up. Yeah, it’s lecture. Not glamorous. But it does the job. These airy-fairy ivory tower theories need to demonstrate their worth now or be pushed aside, don’t you think? We can’t play around anymore.
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Ponderosa: The older I got in school, the more I liked lectures. But either/or?
As you probably know, age-appropriate delivery is key–and history told from a good STORYTELLER is best remembered, especially by the younger students. As the young are naturally naive, they actually enter the story in their heads, so to speak, as another personal experience, even if they have learned enough to know that it’s “ONLY” a story. But lecture all day, and you lose them, especially the older children.
The point being that pedagogy is not either/or but a bag of mixed goodies that good teachers know how to use for THESE kids, these age groups, at THIS moment, and in THIS environment. But you probably know this already. CBK
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Catherine, I’m open-minded, but if you accept the premise that kids urgently need lots of knowledge, as I do, then I find it hard to warmly embrace almost any form of pedagogy besides lecture because I don’t know of anything that’s nearly as efficient. Look, it’s a lot easier for me to give kids projects, circulate, nag, cajole, counsel and then grade. Standing and delivering six times a day every day is very taxing. But I feel I’m ripping kids off if I do the conventional project thing. I deviate from lecture because I get tired, not because I see better ways. They learn much less in a given amount of time than if I lecture. I see mindless prejudice against lecture everywhere. This is what the ed schools have done to us –instilling prejudice. But “inquiry”, their golden child, boils down to having kids read texts. And what is a text? It’s just lecture once removed. It’s a written down lecture! In other words, it’s lecture stripped of live human voice with its intonations and its ability to be stopped to answer questions. Its lecture stripped of interactivity. Thus to me, the privileging of inquiry over lecture is completely incoherent. Does this make sense? Do you know of any mode of pedagogy that’s as efficient at conveying knowledge as a good lecture?
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Ponderosa writes: “In other words, (reading is) lecture stripped of live human voice with its intonations and its ability to be stopped to answer questions. Its lecture stripped of interactivity. Thus to me, the privileging of inquiry over lecture is completely incoherent. Does this make sense? Do you know of any mode of pedagogy that’s as efficient at conveying knowledge as a good lecture?”
Again “privileging of inquiry . . . ” The point is that it’s not an either/or, or “privileging” of a pedagogical situation. We don’t have to choose between two pedagogical methods that WE wrongly think are opposed.
Also, as complex as your question is, it’s nothing that a good cognitional theory (or reading theory) won’t help sort out. If the one I work with is correct, then children (and we) are actually in “inquiry mode” when they are either ACTUALLY paying attention to either the lecturer OR reading a text. They are in inquiry mode when listening to a lecture (and not daydreaming or wondering how many teeth you have) AND when they are ACTUALLY reading where that activity means they are trying to actually understand what’s going on in the story, and what someone (yes, more remotely) wrote on the page.
Also, “good lecture”? Your use of examples (I presume you use them in your lectures) brings up analogous images, questions, and ideas in the listener, so they are “there” and again, IF they are actually paying attention (in inquiry mode, swimming around, “lost” in the meaning), just as they do when reading stories or history with their metaphors, similes, or word-examples in texts. (As you know, “Age appropriate” is of considerable import here.)
But I think you are right about difference of the presence-other of the teacher, as well as other students in a classroom who are all involved (as we know they can be), and the quick-mediation of conversational meaning that can occur so beautifully on-the-spot. That’s when insights occur, and new questions arise (spontaneous inquiry). The guidance and leadership of the teacher in the classroom is quite different than reading alone; and has educational qualities that are NOT transferable to a reading situation.
On the other hand, like any one-instrument “band,” lecture alone can die on the vine of students’ broader needs that too easily can go untended. The mind is not a dumping ground for “knowledge” that teachers want to put in it, even if they “need to know this.” If students “get it” at all (insight-to-understand), it is a place where meaning is wondered about (inquiry), insighted, interrelated with other insights, beliefs, knowledge and speculations, integrated, and wondered about again in a constantly changing field of internal meaning, over a lifetime of guided, unguided, and self-guided experiences.
There is also the great experiential difference between talking, say, about putting together a boxed puzzle, and when we actually undergo the process of putting all the pieces together, and arriving at the whole put-together puzzle. Though in my experience (and from the theory) these can have equal staying power–depending on the student and on the situation.
BTW, I’m probably not speaking of “inquiry” in the same theoretical context as your reference to it.
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Since I began teaching in the early 90’s, it’s been all “critical thinking” and against content. Here is a deadly serious question: is it working? Are citizens better critical thinkers now? Are they better able to see through the lies and false promises of demagogues now? Or have we been sold pedagogical snake oil that is enabling the disease of fascism to spread unchecked? Are citizens, in their ignorance of the USSR, 1984, etc., even less able than ever to defend democracy? Are the education professors akin to the Sacklers: guilty of selling us deadly medicine?
Germany has taken a systematic approach to teaching the evils of Nazism. We’re laissez-faire here. Knowledge of Nazis? Who cares? We’ve got the world’s best critical thinkers!
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Catherine, I appreciate your thoughtful response. Too late for me to analyze it well now.
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Glad I missed most of the discussion . So what jobs are we training the masses for . Check out the JOLTS, Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey Dean Baker wrote about this last month to explain wage stagnation. Six million plus open jobs . How many times have you heard that number regurgitated ; probably only second to the Robots took all the jobs,or Smoot Hawley caused the Great Depression. . . But the best part of the JOLTS is it breaks down the hires and separations in the BLS report by occupation . As I said to my delusional Congressman we have an awful lot of skills shortage in bed pan changers, retail and warehousing . Not sure how much coding a waitress needs .
But lets think about this number; in the mid 90s, 80% of employers provided some training ,today only 50% do, while they cry about a lack of skills.
We actually had this discussion about JOLTS or churn in the labor market, a few years ago when Krugman addressed this in a piece “Sympathy for the Luddites” then it was 4 million open jobs. His punch line was :
“And what if I go for the training you say I need, go deeply in debt, only to find that those new skills are no longer needed. I don’t know if education is now or ever was the answer to inequality. ” (close enough)
Political power is the answer to inequality . Politics being the process of deciding how goods and services are divided in any society, from Hunter Gather to Post Industrial. . But I am anti education(not) , I agree with Krugman . Education may not be the answer to getting a job or not losing it to future changes in technology . However Liberal Arts and Humanities may be the answer to attaining the skills to secure political power. No wonder the right is trying crush it; they love the poorly educated. They love the poorly educated so much that they have gutted the tax base that supported Public Higher Education in most states. . So count me in to the group that says a college education should fulfill requirements in the Liberal Arts and Humanities at a minimum. And be made affordable by raising taxes (come the revolution).
But Frank Bruni, seriously wasn’t Frank the restaurant critic who was bashing students who took Liberal Arts and Humanities just a few years ago.
A pretty good explanation of the skills shortage and the role of higher education . I actually posted it earlier on my Congressman’s Facebook page in response to an article from the Atlantic on Higher Education.
https://www.naceweb.org/talent-acquisition/trends-and-predictions/is-there-really-a-skills-gap/
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Thanks for the link, Joel. Informative article.
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I have a humanities degree from BYU. Required courses included senior classes in Art history, Comparative literature, Englush, History, and a foreign language. In addition students were required to have a concentration in one of the following: philosophy, music, art, which required senior level course work. Sophomore level courses could used for non concentrations. I graduated with a minors in German, Music and English. Those working on this major were well aware that a Master’s degree would be needed for employment. This particular degree was a precursor for the study of Law, Medicine, Museum Curater, or college professor in any of the humanities sub-specialties. All require advanced degrees. I chose education.
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